BATES MOTEL (1987 TV MOVIE)

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None.
Hello everyone, and welcome to

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the Pod and the Pendulum, the
horror movie podcast that covers

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all the franchises one movie and
one episode at a time.

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I'm your host Mike Snoonian, and
we would not be completest if we

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did not return to the land of
Psycho and cover the 1987 made

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for TV movie, The failed pilot
for Bates Motel, which I am

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going to guess that this is not
going to land in the top ten of

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our most downloaded episodes.
But you know what?

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We are nothing if not gluttons
for punishment.

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I am not alone checking in next
to me in the hotel.

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He's got the top down on his
car.

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He's got some.
He's old, he's playing Mr.

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Steven Foxworthy.
Steven, how are we?

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Doing great, Daddy.
Oh, how about yourself?

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Doing all right, also right at
copilot today.

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Let's see if he finishes that
book about yoga.

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Mr. Brian Kiper.
Brian, how are we?

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Yoga Wow, that that would be a
stretch.

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Sorry, I if this isn't going to
make the top ten, then you know

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I'm just going to the worst puns
I can possibly imagine are.

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Off the chain today, ladies and
gentlemen.

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Happened.
This is the episode where we

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spill all the tea on our past
guests in other podcasts

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because, like, why not?
No, we won't be the.

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Worst guest I ever had on Movies
for life was this guy Mike.

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No, I'm kidding.
Actually, you were.

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You were one of our best,
frankly.

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That was a great episode.
Did.

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The show end right after that,
though.

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It was like, yeah, that's our
last.

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Not long.
Wrap it up.

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They had nothing to do with That
was a weird ending to our show.

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We were like, hey, we had.
Snooney and on.

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Nowhere to go but down.
Well, we, we did, you know

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what's our we did the episode on
the apartment and then we were

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gonna, we recorded half an
episode of another one.

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Yeah.
And then we're just like it just

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we just stopped.
It just stopped.

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There was no intention.
It just stopped.

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That happened with
psychoanalysis where, like,

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Laura had stepped away from it
and yeah, Jen had stepped away

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for what she thought would be
temporary.

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So I was keeping it going with
like, guests for a few, like a

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couple months.
And then, yeah, Jen reach out

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and said, hey, I I just, I can't
do the show anymore.

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And I'm like, OK.
And I'm like, we'll be back next

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week.
And then just never came back.

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Right.
And I never posted any follow

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up.
It was just kind of the show

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ended and it was a pretty
popular show.

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So some people were pissed at me
about that.

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And I had to like go into the
group and be like, sorry, guys,

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like my bad.
Just so I should kind of go back

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in and post something now like a
follow up episode just for kicks

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and giggles.
But all right, well, we're here

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to talk about the failed TV
pilot movie movie of the week,

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Bates Motel 1987 and listeners
for next week like they're if

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you're looking at the feed a
week from now, we did not post

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the same episode twice.
We thought, you know what, let's

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go out all out and we are going
to do the 50 episode TV series

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Bates Motel next week.
That's going to conclude our

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coverage on Psycho.
So we thought like, why not in I

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am like binging that show.
Like I have been mainlining the

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last few episodes of that this
past week.

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So we'll be able to bring you
the whole the whole series next

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week.
So that should be fun.

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But gentlemen, what were your
first impressions of Bates Motel

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starring Budcourt, the late
Budcourt in Lori Petty?

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And you heard this before we
decided we were going to do

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like, was this something you
were aware?

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Okay.
Absolutely.

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It was.
I think I was the one that

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brought up.
We're gonna cover this, right?

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I think you are you are correct.
You are the person SO.

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The only thing I knew about it
is when you went to, you know,

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some, if you found the DVD of
Psycho, they had a collection

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that was all the sequels.
So they had two because I mean,

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the Universal was, you know,
still making money off the first

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one, but you could get 2-3 and
four in a set.

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And then they included as the
bonus as an extra feature, Bates

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Motel.
And I was like, I don't know

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what that is.
And it's like it's got Jason

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Bateman in it.
That's, I think that's who they

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put who stars in it.
It's one of those things where,

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you know, it's like, hey, we're
trying to sell Texas Chainsaw

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DVD's.
So let's say Renee Zellweger and

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Matthew McConaughey star in this
movie.

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You know, that sort of thing.
Which?

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To be fair, they do.
They do.

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There was.
I'm trying to think of an.

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I'm trying to think of a better
example.

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Oh, I know, I know.
Trick or Treat is a good

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example.
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So they put Ozzy Osbourne and
Gene Simmons on the cover of

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that thing and they're in it for
like 10 seconds, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.
Or Glenn Danzig is in the

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Prophecy 3, just so everyone
knows he is in it for

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approximately 7 seconds.
Yeah, OK.

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That's about like 8 seconds more
Glen dancing than most of us

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need 2026 so well, so if you
seen this then Brian, if it was

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part of the box set.
OK.

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No, you're like, that's one
bonus feature you don't need.

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Well, I already had the other
discs, so I was like, you know,

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I'll pass.
But hey, YouTube, YouTube is

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where this is living, and that's
probably a worthy place for it

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to live.
In all, it's like digital grain

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cancellated glory.
Yeah, these.

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Standard edition Glory, Yeah.
Wonderful.

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There is like this whole like
slew of like made for

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television, 70s and 80s movies
that have been uploaded to

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YouTube and they're a nice
artifact.

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Like it is nice to have them up
there so you can like go ahead

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and watch them.
But modern televisions like it

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does, they do not do them any
justice.

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Like what was meant to be
watched on like maybe a 27 inch

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for 303rd 480 line screen.
When you blow that up to 4K,

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it's like, oof, we're not
looking good.

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We're not looking great, so.
What were you?

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A lot of the ones from the 70s
do look good 'cause they were

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all shot on film.
Shot on film, that's true.

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Yeah, so the ones from the 80s
and 90s are all like shot on

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video and degraded beyond
recognition.

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Yeah, and stuff.
A friend of mine once sent me a

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link to download.
It was like Halloween 2, the

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television version with
commercials like as it would

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have aired like with like the
ads of the day.

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And that was like those.
Sometimes those are really fun

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to watch for nostalgia reasons,
you know?

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Sure.
Yeah.

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What was the Happy Meal toy of
the day or like?

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Oh, yeah, there's a Toys-R-Us
commercial there.

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Like this is great.
So things like that.

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What were your initial
impressions of this, Brian?

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Oh.
Me.

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Yeah, this.
It was like, this is the

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weirdest idea for a television
show that I can.

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I can imagine tonal whiplash.
Like I couldn't believe.

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I mean, it's kind of a comedy.
Yep.

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Until, you know, they dropped
the suicide bomb at the end and

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it's like, what?
Yeah, and.

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So it's it's wild because the
first half is focused on, you

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know, Norman's protege and then
and there's someone in a chicken

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suit as part of that whole story
and then and then the

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second-half ignores him entirely
almost.

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And right, we have this other
story going on.

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It's weird.
It's like, okay, what if psycho

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but supernatural?
Which psycho notorious for all

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its supernatural?
Elements of Psycho.

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Yeah.
It's so bizarre.

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It's such an odd, odd film.
It's I it was.

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And hey, good that they, you
know, couple of recognizable

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actors and pretty good actors.
You know, I I'm not, I'm not mad

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about the performances or
anything.

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It's just the whole thing.
It's just, it's weird.

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It's just weird.
How about yourself, Steven?

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Because you were the one that
pointed out we needed to cover

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this movie.
I'm just going to again, put

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that in your lap.
You're.

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Well, what can I say?
Except you're welcome.

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No, you are both very welcome.
And so are you.

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All of our listeners.
No.

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So this one came to my
attention.

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Oh God, probably like 12-15
years ago.

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I was putting together a list of
of movies that had multiple

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entries in their franchises.
And when I got to Psycho, this

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popped up and I was like, I
don't even know what this is.

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Lori Petty Budcourt.
This is a bizarre artifact.

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And so it was just kind of one
of those like I'll get to it

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eventually.
Like it made the list of we had

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toyed with the idea on
disenfranchised of maybe doing

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like a Patreon series where we
cover like pilots that didn't

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generate the the shows that they
were supposed to lead into.

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And so this popped up as one of
the ones that we might cover.

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So getting to cover this in the
aftermath of the death of Bud

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Court was?
Interested for.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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Bizarre coincidence?
That was definitely, yeah, that

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was not planned in it just, you
know, this week we found out

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that Bud Court passed away,
which rests in peace.

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Bud Court.
Absolutely.

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I've been going deep on Budcourt
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Not I mean deep.
I watched Harold and Maude and

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Brewster McLeod.
It's not that deep, but deeper

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than I had gone to that.
Point Harold and Maude.

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That was it, yeah.
Harold, Harold and Maude is is

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such an incredible film, but
Brewster McLeod a lot of fun.

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I had a lot of fun with Brewster
McLeod too.

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So but this is definitely a
pivot away from that kind of

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thing.
I I think I see what they were

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trying to do with this, like
kind of making Budcourt like a

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almost like a Mr. Rourke for a
roadside motel in the middle of

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nowhere.
And then there'd just be like a

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guest of the week format where
in with Lori Petty as his

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tattoo, I guess.
Boss, our first customer, our

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first customer kind of a thing.
But yeah.

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And, you know, each one would
deal with it could be a comedy.

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It could be a tragedy, depending
on who checks in that week.

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You know, you get celebrity
guest stars, the whole 9 and

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then maybe, you know, some extra
stuff with, you know, Greg Henry

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as the as the the man in town
trying to shut the motel down

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and.
I would have gotten away with it

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too if it weren't for you
meddling kids.

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That ending, that ending made me
laugh so hard.

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I was having the best time.
I was kind of like this, this is

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fine, whatever.
It's, it's a product of it's

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day.
And then we get to the double

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reverse scooby-doo ending and
I'm like, fuck, yes, more of

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this, please.
Every, every show should end

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like this, which is why every
show should be scooby-doo.

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No, it's, it's kind of just a
ridiculous weird thing.

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I get why people didn't like it
and but you know, I'm not mad at

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it.
I'm just like confused by it.

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It's a weird thing.
That's a good way of putting it.

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Yeah, I had, I, I had heard of
this like heading into the

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series, I believe that I always
kind of just conflated it with

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Psycho 4 the beginning, because
I knew that they were both made

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for television movies and I knew
this was the one that didn't

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have like, and there was one
with like, it doesn't really

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focus on Norman.
It's about someone's efforts to

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reopen the hotel.
And I just for whatever reason,

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thought that was Psycho 4.
I didn't put two and two

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together that there was like
another separate entry Bates

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Motel.
So I fired it up a couple weeks

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ago to do like my preliminary
watch.

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And I, I can't say that I hated
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Like it's just it's harmless at
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Like it's like a harmless little
90 minute artifact from a bygone

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era.
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are what they are.
It definitely suffers from some

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total and script issues like you
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that with like pilot television
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Like this did feel like 2
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together because the first half
of it is the setup of Bud courts

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Alex, like being in the
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in like inheriting the motel and
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element, like where the show
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story of the week, that
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when you are done with that,
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a meat on this bone.
Like there's really no story

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here.
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a young dude who doesn't know
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episode is when he, like,
accidentally orders like a

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chicken meal through a drive
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So we don't really have a lot
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Yeah.
Crispy so so that's like, well,

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we should probably like do a
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a movie of the week and see if
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So I didn't hate it.
I can see why it wasn't brought

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to series.
I will say that 12 year old.

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First act problems in this
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probably would have been my jam
if it was on every week.

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Like, I would have watched it.
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So shall we talk, like very
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this movie?
Like we don't have a lot.

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Sure, there's not a lot on this.
Like.

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So there's a couple of articles
you can find out there.

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But even then, they're like are
more plot recaps and every

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article is kind of like hit
tinged with the like, what were

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they actually thinking?
Or comparing it to the Bates

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Motel TV series that came out
like 25 years later.

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Which is a very unfair
comparison, let's be very clear

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on that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I guess we should start with
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And I'm wondering like, I don't
have a lot of history with Bud

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Court outside of Harold and
Maude, which I haven't watched

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probably close to 30 years.
So I'm wondering how, if you

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guys could speak to the late Bud
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who he was?
I don't have anything else like

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fell in the head cold today,
folks.

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And the effects of effects of
the shingles vaccine has knocked

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me on my.
Board.

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Oh, I'm sorry to hear that man.
I'm just stuck with a couple of

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alien Co hosts today.
I I really appreciate Bud court.

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He's I think he's one of those
guys who seemed like he was full

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of promise in the 70s and then
turned down like the wrong roles

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and kind of ended up fading a
little bit into obscurity by the

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80s and the 90s.
Which is why he's, you know,

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running a pilot by 87.
But like in in 70, he kicks

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things off with with the double
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Mash and Brewster McLeod like 2
Robert Altman movies riding

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pretty high on those, and then
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Hal Ashby's Harold and Maude.
Just, you know, three incredible

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movies.
It's been a while since I've

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seen Mash, but as I mentioned, I
watched rewatch both Harold and

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Maude and Brewster McLeod and
both of those movies hold up

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remarkably well I think.
He's, you know, as with every

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actor in MASH, except if I
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Elliot Gould and, you know.
Donald Sutherland.

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Donald Sutherland, Kiefer,
Donald Sutherland, you know, and

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and few others.
They're they don't he's he's

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part of the tapestry, you know,
but he has a great scene where

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he's where, you know, Frank
burns asses, you know, give me a

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cardiac needle and he's like,
what, what do you need?

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And and he doesn't really
respond and he hands him the

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wrong thing.
And then Frank burns, you know,

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played by Robert Duvall, throws
the well, good job, Boone.

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You killed him, you know, And
it's the look on his face in

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that moment is like, OK, there's
it's really remarkable little

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performance from him in that
first movie.

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And you can see a lot of promise
right there.

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I've never seen Brewster McLeod.
I know that's Robert Altman.

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If Robert Altman did, it's a
mad, mad, mad, mad world, it

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would be Brewster McLeod.
It's yeah, absolutely insane in

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the best way.
And it was also a massive flop.

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Oh yes, which is ironic.
Because it's kind.

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Of a modern.
Yeah exactly.

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I just watched Harold and Mod,
rewatched it the other day and

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that's a movie I did not
understand the first time.

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I I totally missed the point of
that movie The first time and

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was sort of had my head in the
whole issue of, you know,

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suicide attempts being played
for laughs.

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Well, they're not really suicide
attempts is the thing.

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They're trying to get his
mother's attention, is what they

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are.
They're cries for attention,

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absolutely.
And ultimately, man, what a what

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a movie that is.
And I was so moved by it this

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time and the interactions
between this very young man and

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this very old woman and this old
woman who's so full of life and

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him who's young, who should be
full of life and is instead

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frequenting funerals and.
Obsessed with death, converting

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a Jaguar into a hearse and all
that stuff.

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I love that.
It's so good.

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Yeah.
And I'm, I'm like, sobbing by

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the end of it, like my partner.
I put it on with my partner and

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she's like, that sounds
interesting.

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Let's watch it.
And she fell asleep.

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And then I'm like, she wakes up
right at the end.

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And when he's driving the car
off the Cliff and I'm just like,

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sobbing, like just bawling my
eyes out while Cat Stevens

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plays.
And she's just like, are you OK,

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Like.
You need anything.

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And I'm like, that's fine.
It's such a good movie.

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Yeah.
And so I think that's probably

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the performance he'll most be
remembered for.

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Absolutely.
He had a little bit of upswing

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in the 90s thanks to like Kevin
Smith and some others.

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Yeah, he was in Heat.
He had a small role in Michael

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Mann's Heat, one of my favorite
movies of all time, where he is.

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He plays Dennis Haysbert's boss
at the diner he's in.

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He plays John Doe Jersey in
Dogma.

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So I mean, you know he's he.
And you know he's in Toby

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Hooper's Invaders from Mars as
well, lest we forget.

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So I mean he's, he's.
Been.

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Around Les, we he's been around
consistently since.

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I think his last film was about
10 years ago in 2016.

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I think he effectively retired
after that, you know, deservedly

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so.
We had a great run.

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But yeah, I don't think his
career he turned down after

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Harold and Maude.
He was offered the Brad Dourif

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role in One Flew Over the
Cuckoo's Nest, apparently.

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And he talked to Robert Altman
about it and Altman's like, I

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don't know, you want to be
careful, you don't want to get

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typecast.
And so he turned it down and

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didn't work again until 1975.
So there's this BIG4 year gap

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between Harold and Maude and his
next film, and it's because he

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didn't take the role that
probably could have gotten him

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an Academy Award nomination as
it did Doris.

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Yeah, it's hard.
At this point, it's hard to

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picture anyone but Doris is
Billy Babbitt.

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But.
Exactly.

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Or Billy Babbitt.
I don't remember.

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So what you're saying is
alternate history where Bud

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Court is the voice of Chucky?
It's basically what you're

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saying.
I don't know.

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I don't know if I go that far.
He is.

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He is the voice of Toy Man in
the Superman the animated

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series, and Lori Petty is the
voice of Live Wire.

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So we got a couple of Superman
villains in this movie, which is

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kind of.
Excellent.

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I feel like Lori Petty would
have been a good voice for

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Harley Quinn.
Absolutely she would have, yeah.

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And would have brought that kind
of energy to it as well.

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Like I'm.
So I'm kind of surprised by that

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just a little bit.
Well, this show was envisioned

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as an anthology show would have
been like an episode of the week

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where Alec Budcourt and playing
Alex West and Lori Petty playing

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Willie along with their handyman
Henry played by Moses Gunn.

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They would have been running the
Bates Motel which Alex inherited

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from Norman.
And every week, like the episode

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of the week would have been like
a new person or persons like

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checking in, there would have
been some supernatural event.

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And then the episode with end
probably with like Bud Court

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looking at the camera and
delivering some sort of

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soliloquy, breaking the 4th
wall.

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Like, kind of like the Crypt
Keeper role in some ways, right?

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Yeah, Or, you know, the Alfred
Hitchcock Presents role.

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Yeah.
Though, you know, not not quite

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as animated as either of those.
Not quite.

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Yeah.
It was.

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It's the first show where like,
Anthony Perkins obviously

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doesn't come back to play Norman
Bates in the brief screen time

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here.
Like I think you just see him in

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the back of a squad car and then
in some photographs and that's

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it.
Like Norman would have been

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deceased in this series,
although that doesn't mean he

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couldn't appear given like
that's a supernatural show.

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Like, there's no reason why the
ghost of Norman Bates couldn't

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have been a recurring character,
which would have been kind of

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wild.
Interesting.

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Yeah, one of the things that is
also weird, or not weird, but I

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mean it.
It completely ignores Psycho 2

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and 3.
Yes it does.

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So he, Norman, more or less
dies.

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Well, he does.
He does die in the institution,

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right in this one.
And it's like, OK, at first I

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was confused.
It was like, OK, so who's this

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other kid?
And so hey, let's, let's send

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this kid to hang out with
Norman.

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And I have some questions about
that when we talk about the

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episode.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, mental health in those
days was kind of not taken very

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seriously at points, like they
were just throwing a bunch of

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stuff at the wall to see what
could stick for sure.

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Norman here is played by Kurt
Paul, who was Perkins stunt

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double on Psycho 2 and three.
He would play one of the mother

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killers and Psycho 4, so he is
the only actor to appear in all

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the Psycho sequels.
This episode was directed by

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Richard Rothstein who would go
on and direct.

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He'd do the Universal Soldier
series with Jean-Claude Van

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Damme and Dolph Lundgren.
I think he directed and wrote

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the first movie and I think he
has only storyline credits on

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the others.
He also his only other directing

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credit is The Hitchhiker which
was a television and another

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anthology series that ran in the
early days of HBO.

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It kind of had that like man on
the roaming around it was about

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a hitchhiker.
So for anthology and we got a

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guy like running around trying
to escape his past.

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Ran for 85 episodes over the
course of like 8 years and I

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don't think I've seen a single
one in like 40 something years

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if I saw any at all.
I think I have vague memories of

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it though.
Yeah, me too.

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It's funny because I mean, it's
like I remembered like the

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opening credits or something.
Yeah, that's it's, it's one of

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those things.
So I'm.

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I'm not sure anything else
though, SO.

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Yeah.
So yeah, this one Hitchhiker's a

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complete blind spot for me.
It's not not a show that I know

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at all.
I don't even know if it's on

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their app.
I know there's like the HBO Max

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app, I don't know if it even.
Kind of like.

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Pops up, it's something you can
watch.

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So maybe that's another, that's
another YouTube where you can

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kind of go on and people have
uploaded episodes of it.

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I don't know.
Let's take a quick look.

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The Hitchhiker.
It's not streaming anywhere from

449
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,280
what I can see.
Yeah, sort of like Tales from

450
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,000
the Crypt is also not streaming
anywhere that one is.

451
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,920
That has a lot to do with music.
Right.

452
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,000
Correct.
Yeah, Yeah, I believe so.

453
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,080
All right, so if you go to
YouTube, there are episodes of

454
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,320
this show like Hitchhiker season
3 Killer.

455
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,760
So they're like 25 minute
episodes.

456
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,240
So I don't know, maybe that'll
be a winter deep dive just like

457
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,560
a comfort watch or something,
just for sure slight that

458
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,560
curiosity.
So, all right, bear with me here

459
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,000
for one second.
We'll edit this down just a

460
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,400
little.
So the show premieres July 5th,

461
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,600
1987 and you know, 4th of July
weekend, definitely a big

462
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,680
weekend for everybody that wants
to be gathered around the boob

463
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,480
tube.
Nothing else going on.

464
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,600
It does OK in the ratings, like
it airs after a rerun of Family

465
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Ties at the time, like NBCS,
like Sunday Night Block was like

466
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,080
very family friendly As for most
sitcoms in that era.

467
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,320
I think this is the same night
that like Hogan's family would

468
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,680
come out with a Valerie Harper
and then Sandy Duncan, which I

469
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,000
believe Jason Bateman was in,
ironically enough, like he was

470
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,720
one of the kids in this show.
So, you know, I think in part

471
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,200
because you know, when this is
going to air, like Sunday night

472
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,960
when families are gathered
around the TV, Like that's might

473
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,600
be why this this is as watered
down a horror show as you could

474
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,320
possibly get where there's like
no rough edges whatsoever on

475
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,160
this.
But this would have been like a

476
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:58,000
near peak for horror and genre
anthologies like this kind of

477
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,920
middle of the period.
We're a couple years removed

478
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,800
from like, amazing stories
coming out, I believe.

479
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,440
Yeah, NBC with Spielberg and his
cronies like doing these like

480
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,480
really big sci-fi episodes every
week.

481
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,920
And there were also revivals of
Alfred Hitchcock Presents and

482
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,760
the Twilight Home during that
time that were actually pretty

483
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,240
popular, as I recall.
I remember some of my earliest

484
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,280
memories of, you know, being
freaked out are from from those.

485
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,480
And so there's was were those
things.

486
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,640
And I, I remember we watched
amazing stories all the time.

487
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,200
So yeah, that was that was a big
deal for us.

488
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,320
The Hitchcock Presents one if I
remember correct, like they

489
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,400
would whose footage of Hitchcock
like inter intro ING and being

490
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,520
the outro segment and then they
would like rework the segments

491
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,400
to fit like whatever they wanted
to use for like his clips

492
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080
correct.
I don't remember that.

493
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,600
I do remember that some of the
episodes at least were like

494
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,680
remakes of classic episodes.
So that's entirely possible.

495
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,680
I was very young.
I mean, one of my one of my

496
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,680
earliest memories is from Alfred
Hitchcock Presents, the reboot

497
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,040
of this one story where this
woman tries to escape from

498
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,480
prison.
And it just freaked me out

499
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240
beyond all that I could at the
time.

500
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,840
So I'd I'd see it now, I'd
probably just laugh at it.

501
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,200
But right, you know when you're,
that is the danger.

502
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Yeah, you know, that is the
danger.

503
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,960
We just like, we literally just
watched the Muppet Show reboot

504
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,240
on the Disney Plus channel and
I'm like, I love The Muppets and

505
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,280
I'm like, this isn't good.
This is this is really bad.

506
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,680
I haven't seen it yet, yeah.
It's it's the danger sometimes

507
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,640
of kind of going back into that
well, a little bit.

508
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,120
But I believe we're like a year
out from Friday the 13th the

509
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,800
series and A Nightmare in Elm
Street.

510
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,120
Freddy's nightmares being in
Freddy's nightmares is a lot

511
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,720
closer to the source material.
Like it does feature Robert

512
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560
England in the in the Alfred
Hitchcock and crypt keeper role.

513
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Like Freddy's not so much a part
of most of the episodes so much

514
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640
as I sees intro they intro ING
them.

515
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,440
But it had like the nightmare
feel like of it.

516
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,080
So it does work.
I love that show as a as a kid.

517
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360
I've tried to rewatch a bunch of
them as an adult and I'm like,

518
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,880
this is this is not very good
but Friday.

519
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,920
I've seen a few here and there.
The series Friday the 13th the

520
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,880
series.
I mean, I've said this before.

521
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,880
I quite like it still where it's
about this like trio that run an

522
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,840
antique shop and they need to
find all these cursed artifacts

523
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,680
that their damned uncle sold in
a pact with the devil and they

524
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,280
need to like reclaim these these
artifacts or else.

525
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,080
And it was really violent for a
a television show in the 80s,

526
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,480
like it was really gory.
But I think the benefit there is

527
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,520
like those two shows ran in
syndication versus a network.

528
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,480
So cheaper to produce, less
overhead, made money where, you

529
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,320
know, this is a time that's not
even a Fox network yet.

530
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,480
There's only three major
networks and most houses don't

531
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,200
have cable.
So you're watching what's on the

532
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,280
big three, like spaces at a
premium.

533
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,840
So if something doesn't work,
you're going to you're going to

534
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,280
pay the price and not get picked
up for series.

535
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Yeah, I mean, there are a few
bizarre.

536
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,920
NBC, though, was the one that
seems like they would take the

537
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,360
most risk.
Like Cheers.

538
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,200
When it premiered, it was in
last place, Its pilot was in

539
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,560
last place and they just.
But same Seinfeld had the same

540
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,640
issues, like nobody was watching
that show.

541
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,160
And then they both ended up
because and the office even even

542
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,000
more recently, but for whatever
reason, there was a champion in

543
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,840
the executive for each of those
shows and they just said, let's

544
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,560
keep giving it a chance, see
what happens and all.

545
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,880
Then all three of them ended up
being massive hits.

546
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,440
I don't think that would have
happened with this.

547
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,960
No.
Seinfeld debuted a year later.

548
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Exactly.
A year later, like July 1888, is

549
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,840
the first episode of the
Seinfeld Chronicles of the time.

550
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,920
Right.
I remember watching that on

551
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,280
vacation with my family that
Sunday night and going what the

552
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,200
hell is this?
All of us were like, what is

553
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,560
this right?
Because it was.

554
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,720
That pilot is still weird.
It's so different from every

555
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,280
other sitcom's energy of his
time.

556
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:59,080
I mean, I remember that that
year he did a stand up tour with

557
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Adam Sandler and my dad got
myself and three friends

558
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,160
tickets.
Like it played the Lowell

559
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Auditorium but seats about like
5000 or so.

560
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,040
And and it was sold out.
Like he bought 4 tickets, but

561
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,080
they weren't together.
It was like 2:00 and 2:00

562
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,880
because we couldn't even get
them together.

563
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,360
And it was like he was doing the
tour so that I think it was like

564
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400
89 like they were doing maybe
after the second season.

565
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,360
But they were definitely like
doing the tour in order to

566
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,440
promote the show.
And Adam Sandler was like, oh,

567
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
and I knew, I know that I knew
who Adam Sandler was at that

568
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,280
point.
So I and Sandler was great.

569
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,000
And I mean Seinfeld was great.
Like, there's a reason he was

570
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,600
one of the most popular.
He, he came out after the after

571
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,320
the show and just like sat at
the edge of the stage, like

572
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,560
literally just sat down, legs
draping.

573
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,760
He's like, throw me some bits.
Like he would literally would

574
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,400
just say, like, throw me a
phrase and I'll see what I can

575
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,760
come up with it.
So it was like really fun.

576
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,040
Like, he was really fun.
And I don't think he would do

577
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,600
that now.
Yeah.

578
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Absolutely not.
That's only the things you can

579
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,000
do when you're young and hungry.
I remember because he he talked

580
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,920
about he's talked about that
tour and like asking people

581
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,800
like, hey, what, what do you
think about, you know, me and

582
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,040
the Elaine character on the
show?

583
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,880
And it was like, fuck no,
because they, that's how the

584
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,760
second season ended, as I
recall, was with that, this,

585
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,000
that and the other episode.
And so after that he's kind of

586
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320
like, what do you guys think?
And everyone and he goes back to

587
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,880
the studio and he's like, this
cannot happen.

588
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,360
No one likes this idea.
He.

589
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Didn't want anyway.
He was like, we don't want to do

590
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,040
that.
Yeah, they pretty much just

591
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,040
ignored it.
Ever.

592
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Yeah, I love that.
Exactly.

593
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,280
So.
The only time it ever came close

594
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,520
to coming back was the episode
with the mango where she talks

595
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,120
about how she faked with him and
he's like if you want more.

596
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,440
Shatters.
Yeah, completely.

597
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Correct.
As it would.

598
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,120
I mean, yeah, the Office got
lucky because like in between

599
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,760
the 1st and 2nd season of the
Office, 40 year old Virgin comes

600
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,520
out Exactly that is.
So I don't think there would

601
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,200
have been like a second.
I think Office season 2 would

602
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,680
have been cancelled pretty
quick.

603
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,280
Yeah, because 40 year old virgin
comes out and now everyone's

604
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,960
like, oh, I want more of this
guy.

605
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,480
And if you go back and watch.
Like I mean, I can see him on TV

606
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,800
every week.
Yeah, and and they do so much to

607
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,159
soften him up, like not only the
character, but just the look,

608
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,560
just the hairs like not slicked
back.

609
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Right, the first season is he's
a lot closer to, he's a lot

610
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,159
closer to David Brent.
From the British.

611
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,040
Version in the in the in the
first season, the second season

612
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,000
he's much more likable, even
though he's still a doofus.

613
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Yeah, but.
I mean, you start off with like

614
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,120
the Dundies and it's like feels
like a new show completely and

615
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,560
you're on, you're completely on
board Parks and Rock too.

616
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,520
Like from yeah season 1 to
season 2.

617
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,679
Like you could really just start
with season 2.

618
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,719
The bigger shift is 2 to 3
honestly because that's when

619
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,639
they get rid of the like the
they get.

620
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,560
Rid of Markowitz?
Yeah.

621
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,240
Bring in Adam Scott.
Yeah.

622
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,680
Yeah, but.
I love that actor Paul Schneider

623
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,560
great actor not did not like him
on Parks and Rec and.

624
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,680
He did not like being on that
show either.

625
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,600
If you read like interviews, he
was like, what am I doing here?

626
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,520
But they they make the decision
with Parks and Rec like, hey,

627
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,520
what if like instead of Leslie
Knope being like a clone of

628
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,160
Steve Carell in the office, like
Michael in the office, like,

629
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,920
what if we make her really good
at her job, like her.

630
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Yeah, the most.
Likeable person Ever.

631
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,240
Yeah.
She's super like she's just like

632
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,840
the most efficient government
employee ever and that is her

633
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,520
shtick.
It's like she's too good at her

634
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,120
job and run circles around
everyone else.

635
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Like when they do that, the show
take like that show is still

636
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,000
like a comfort.
Well, I like that more than the

637
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,920
Office.
Me too.

638
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,920
The last season of that show was
like one of the great victory

639
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,960
laps.
Absolutely.

640
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,800
Television series.
We're like, we're just like, we

641
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,640
were really good.
Look at that.

642
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,280
I can't believe it.
My Ron Swanson action figure.

643
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Listeners, Brian once again has
just reached over to his left

644
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,320
and just pulled something off
the shelf that's relevant.

645
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,160
It is incredible.
And he comes with a large plate

646
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,760
of bacon and eggs.
Look at that.

647
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,480
See, now what I'm worried that
you just said, Brian, is a large

648
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,680
plate of bacon and eggs, when
what he said was all the bacon

649
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,600
and eggs that you have.
I feel like one day I'm going to

650
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,000
say like something about the
Epstein files and Brian's going

651
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960
to reach over and pull out the
unredacted.

652
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,400
Like, yeah, just.
Unredacted.

653
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Unredacted Epstein files right
here.

654
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,200
Boy, just start reading names so
well.

655
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Needless to say, this show.
I've got Marshall Mcluhan right

656
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,920
here, yeah.
Oh my goodness.

657
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Sorry, all right, figure the
Upstein files.

658
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,400
Jesus Christ.
Hey, all right.

659
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,080
Moving on.
Moving on, let's talk about this

660
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,040
show really briefly.
Gonna be a short 1 today folks,

661
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,960
like we did.
We gave you 2 1/2 hours on

662
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Psycho for the beginning.
Give us a break.

663
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,280
I don't know, we just did 40
minutes of buffer so.

664
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,400
Yeah, we got a really mean
comment this past week, by the

665
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,960
way.
It was like someone and they've

666
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,760
gone like, they first they gave
us 2 thumbs down on our Cycle 4

667
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,360
episode, and then they went back
into like Evil Dead 2 and we're

668
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,960
like, this show needs better
guests.

669
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,760
They, they, they know nothing
about film criticism.

670
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,400
They're like, man, you're going
deep into the archives van.

671
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,560
You are really doing work there.
So thank you for listening.

672
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,560
We appreciate that.
The amount of money I've made

673
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,640
from Bloody Disgusting begs to
differ.

674
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Love it.
That is your the.

675
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,320
Receipts literally that is your
like who's booking your

676
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,280
territory at Covet from Triple
H?

677
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,120
That's a deep resting cut right
there.

678
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,920
All right, so my first question
is like, who among us has not

679
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,520
murdered our parents in a dry
cleaning incident and then found

680
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
ourselves paired with the local
serial killer as the way to the

681
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,040
road to recovery, right?
Like that is the premise the

682
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,360
show is based on.
Is that a young Alex, after

683
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,400
murdering his dad at a dry
cleaning tub, befriends Norman

684
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,720
Bates and the Institute, and
we're off and running.

685
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:27,160
I.
Mean, in fairness, it seems like

686
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,520
it worked for him, like he does
not seem to have the murderous

687
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,360
tendencies that Norman, unless
that's something the series was

688
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,280
going to be building to over the
course of the first season.

689
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,400
It didn't feel like it did it
like it did not even whiff of

690
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,040
that here.
No, I mean, he sees the, you

691
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,200
know, he sees Mrs. Bates.
But then it turns out that

692
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
that's just Greg Henry.
Just Greg.

693
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Spoilers.
And like a Ghostface outfit,

694
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,920
although you see that outfit, it
looks like a Ghostface costume.

695
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Yeah, with a slightly more
wrinkly mask, like the mask from

696
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,440
Texas Chainsaw too.
Yeah, the mask for grandpa.

697
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,640
But yeah, it's a bizarre,
bizarre kind of a thing.

698
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,560
But yeah, I, I was expecting
like, oh, so he's going to be

699
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,240
like, because Bud Court seems
like the kind of guy he's got

700
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,840
that kind of quiet intensity.
We're going to make him the new

701
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,480
Norman Bates, right?
Does not seem to be where this

702
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,680
show was going.
Now he just, he's just like a

703
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,840
quiet hotelier and.
That's it.

704
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,840
It's a very gentle energy.
It's the word I came up with

705
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,000
like over and over was like it's
a very I and even backtracking

706
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,920
from there, you get the for the
folks that aren't familiar with

707
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,360
psycho, we're going to have like
the most ham fisted news

708
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,720
reporter on the scene recapping
all of the events like so good

709
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,680
circular over mates.
It's been, it's just like that

710
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,520
whole kind of like super, like
big, big energy like for the

711
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,720
five of the.
Peoples.

712
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,840
For the five people that were
tuning into Bates Motel and

713
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,280
we're unfamiliar with Psycho.
And they were just like, I love

714
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,080
me, like, I liked Faulty Towers,
like, you know, another hotel

715
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,960
show like.
Maybe it's the same thing I

716
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,320
don't want to be.
Closer to that in some place.

717
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Than yeah, it is.
Psycho.

718
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,200
It is super bizarre and you
don't really get again, like the

719
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,840
only like live action shot of
Norman in this is like when

720
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,480
they're putting him in the back
of the squad car.

721
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,280
But you get these photographs of
like a young Alex and Norman

722
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,080
together and like, they're at
like, peace protest in the 60s

723
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,840
holding signs, dressed like
flower children.

724
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,400
And I'm like, when did Norman
get out to do this?

725
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Like, how would that?
It's so weird.

726
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Like it's almost like Forrest
Gumpian in its energy.

727
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,200
Like you get Norman in these
little moments in history when

728
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,680
you first see Bud Court, like,
he kind of looks like an alien.

729
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,280
Like, I don't know if you
remember The Simpsons episode

730
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,000
where they think like aliens
have landed and everyone's

731
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,640
excited.
At the end of the episode, it's

732
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,880
like Mr. Burns comes out and
he's glowing and his eyes are

733
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,320
all huge.
That's bringing his peace and

734
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,600
love get him.
Yeah, like when you see Bud

735
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Court at first, like that's what
he looks like to me.

736
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,160
Like, it's really bizarre.
Well, I mean, he he did have a

737
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,760
baby face in the 70s that he
never quite was able to shit.

738
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,880
And I think part of it is he, he
had a Mark Hamill situation

739
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,800
happen probably right around the
same time Mark Hamill did and

740
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,880
that.
Did not know that.

741
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,200
Very bad car accident in the 70s
and had to have a lot of

742
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,160
reconstructive surgery on his
face.

743
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,240
And so that probably played a
role in why he was perennially

744
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,320
baby faced.
And in the same way that you can

745
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,880
kind of tell Mark Hamill is
looking a little like Forever

746
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,040
Young and Empire Strikes Back.
Yeah.

747
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,480
So it kind of a similar kind of
a thing I think.

748
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,880
I think Lucas has come in like
at some point pushed back on

749
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,120
that story, but I don't believe
George Lucas.

750
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,320
Yeah, not, not, not any further
than I can throw him.

751
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,040
How far could you throw George
Lucas?

752
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,360
I mean, I'm I'm 19. 70s George.
Lucas, I probably get a bean

753
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,960
pole, yeah. 1970s George Lucas
is a bean pole.

754
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,440
Yeah, give him the bartender's
toss and and probably get, you

755
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,080
know, a few feet out of him at
least.

756
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,880
Lucas by the late 80s was pretty
stout.

757
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,080
Like he had some, you know, he
was eaten well.

758
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,080
But early 70s George Lucas, like
you could toss him like a

759
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,120
javelin.
I think you could get a good six

760
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
feet.
No, you think so you you

761
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,800
overestimate me, but I
appreciate.

762
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,080
It nothing on this movie folks.
I have so little this is.

763
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,200
It Oh yes, the perennial, the
inevitable.

764
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,280
How far could you throw George
Lucas?

765
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Yeah, conversation.
That every podcast eventually

766
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,160
gets to.
Did we talk last week about Mr.

767
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,040
T like Be good to your mom and
how I want to recreate that song

768
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,840
for her 80th birthday party?
It's been, I think it's been

769
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,280
within this series.
We've discussed it some point,

770
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
so we'll move on.
I made the note that if this

771
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,520
show got taken to series and
again, I am guessing that 99% of

772
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,640
our listeners have not seen
this, so this reference will

773
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,240
make no sense.
But like, I would have loved if

774
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,680
the inmate, Mr. Hucklebuck, the
one that teaches Norman to

775
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,200
dance, like if he he does a
little twist like so the idea is

776
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,280
like Norman passes away and
they're reading his last will

777
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,720
and testament and he's giving
away all his possessions.

778
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,800
And Mr. Hucklebuck gets Norman's
record collection because he

779
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,160
taught Norman how to do like the
cha cha cha and the Mashed

780
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,400
potato.
And Mr. Hucklebuck in his like 1

781
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,280
moment of like time on screen,
does a little dance move.

782
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200
And it's so adorable that I'm
like, man, I hope they would

783
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,080
have found a place for this guy.
Yeah, it's just, it's great.

784
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,480
And I cannot find him in the
credits here, so I'm not going

785
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,800
to go any deeper than that.
But, yeah, like, Alex inherits

786
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,120
every boy's dream.
Like a hotel that was already

787
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,160
falling into disrepair and on
the brink of foreclosure

788
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,920
because, as we know, like, it
was off the beaten path and a

789
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,280
rickety old murder house.
Like, who doesn't dream of

790
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,760
inheriting those things one day,
right?

791
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,600
Absolutely.
Yeah, to bring him back to The

792
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,360
Simpsons.
You know, I'm in the Flanders.

793
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,720
Oh, this is the murder house.
This is where they found the

794
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:38,040
pile of torsos.
I'm a torso and.

795
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,400
Hey, before we get too far, I
think we are neglecting the real

796
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,880
star of this movie, Robert
Picardo.

797
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,280
I mean, turn as the doctor as
Alex's doctor early on.

798
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,840
Doctor Goodman, because he is
the one good man in this.

799
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:03,640
He is a good man.
So yeah, I that's all I had to

800
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,720
say about that, really.
I mean Joe Dante favorite Robert

801
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,040
Picardo.
Yeah, The Doctor on Star Trek

802
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,360
Voyager.
And Star Trek Starfleet Academy.

803
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,280
So.
He's he's coming back for that

804
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,520
show, so.
Well.

805
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:25,200
My my experience with Star Trek
and be some done as such like my

806
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,800
wife loves Next Generation in
Orville and I sit next to her in

807
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,440
bed and scroll my phone or watch
something in my iPad while she

808
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,560
like binges those shows so it
means nothing to me.

809
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,840
I just not a Star Trek person to
boldly go or no man has gone

810
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000
before a different channel
click.

811
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:50,400
So that has been my sorry sorry
about that.

812
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,520
I just.
Yeah, you know, I first came

813
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:58,440
across Mr. Picardo in the
Howling because.

814
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Yeah, OK.
He's Eddie.

815
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,760
He's Eddie in the howling, you
know.

816
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,880
And then, of course, one of the
garbage men in the burbs and

817
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,080
pretty much any, you know.
I was going to say he shows up

818
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,880
almost everything Joe Dante has
done.

819
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,440
Like yeah, the only person that
shows up I think more than

820
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,240
Picardo.
Is Dick Miller Dick Miller?

821
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,120
Who's?
Literally in all of them.

822
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,360
Yeah, yeah.
But Picardo's not in all of

823
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,240
them, but he's in most of them.
Yeah, well, yeah, he's also the

824
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:29,160
cab driver in Paul Verhoeven's
Total Recall.

825
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,680
We love to see.
It I'm looking at him and he

826
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,200
looks like Michael Ironside.
He kind of does.

827
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,000
Yeah, I mean.
Back without in the not.

828
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Some of the wear, but yeah.
Yeah, Michael Ironside in like

829
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Starship Troopers.
He looks a lot like, looking at

830
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,000
this picture of him right here,
he looks a lot like him.

831
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,400
Debate me.
I do love that.

832
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,560
There's something else I'm like,
no, I'm not going to do.

833
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,400
That the institute's like
tactic, like Alex, you've lived

834
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,880
your whole life in this mental
institute you had no access to

835
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,760
like job training, you have no
career skills to speak of and no

836
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,840
idea how the real world works.
Like no skills, like you've

837
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,120
lived your whole life here.
We're just going to.

838
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,760
Let you out family.
Yeah, no family.

839
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,080
No.
Your best friend is dead.

840
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,320
We're just going to let you out
with no supervision whatsoever,

841
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,720
no guardrails to fall back on,
no one to kind of like, be that

842
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:27,160
bridge between getting out of
here and living your own life.

843
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,680
And, you know, good luck to you,
buddy.

844
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,040
Don't forget to write like he
does.

845
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,960
It's.
It's really busy so far, kid.

846
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,840
Yeah.
The whole they don't even bring

847
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,880
him to the Bates Hotel, like
where his house is or like,

848
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,280
here's $0.50 for a bus ticket.
Get on out there.

849
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,520
And he doesn't know how buses
work, the poor dude.

850
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
It's it's something else.
Fortunately, Buck Flowers is

851
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,920
there to help him out.
God bless Buck Flowers.

852
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,160
Buck Flowers, who only played
homeless dudes like that was.

853
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,440
Pretty much, yeah.
His credits, like I think we

854
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,120
count on because he was not in
the Back to the Future, but he

855
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,920
was in one of the episodes we
did, he played a homeless guy

856
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,160
and I think we crowded like 19
credits where he played like

857
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,440
vagrant.
Like that was his role.

858
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,680
He does and they live also he's
he plays a very similar and they

859
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,000
live like, yeah, they live back.
He's in all the Back to the

860
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,720
Future movies.
Like, yeah, it's just kind of.

861
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,200
His niche.
Wonder if he was a method actor

862
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,640
too.
He was like, Nope, I'm just

863
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,720
going to.
I live in the streets, eat

864
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,240
garbage.
I have to live with my craft.

865
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,960
What are you gonna do?
It's like, fuck, you don't have

866
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,200
to do this.
He's like, but I must.

867
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,120
It wouldn't be faithful to
myself.

868
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,320
I only drink out of glass
bottles wrapped in paper bags.

869
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,280
Yeah, well, that's all of us.
I mean really, Really.

870
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:55,520
Let's let's be clear.
And it's just as far this

871
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,160
bizarre montage or like,
everybody is new to LA and maybe

872
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,680
that's like saying something
about like the transient nature

873
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,960
of that town.
And then Buck tries to order a

874
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,880
or find out where the Bates
Motel is and he accidentally

875
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,240
orders like a super deluxe
chicken crispy crispy chicken

876
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,640
meal because he doesn't know how
like drive, insurance work and.

877
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400
He's sitting in the drive
through lane, first of all on a

878
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,000
suitcase after getting knocked
over into a bunch of flowers by

879
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,280
a parade of children trying to
accost a woman in a chicken

880
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,280
costume.
Right.

881
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,120
And so he sits down in front of
the drive through window and is

882
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,280
basically being asked to order.
And his questions about like, I

883
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,720
don't understand the question
become his order like regular or

884
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,440
crispy.
And he's like crispy.

885
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,560
Yeah, that would have been the.
That was a bit every week that

886
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,520
would have been great.
Like every week Alex learns

887
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,880
something else about the real
world like he does, you know,

888
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,480
happy ending.
And then I think that is the.

889
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,880
Who among us doesn't want a
happy ending?

890
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Wait, you're doing?
Whoa.

891
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,920
Puts on the Dan Aykroyd and
Ghostbusters face.

892
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,240
Yeah.
And I get the impression that

893
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,920
everyone who says they have
never heard of the Bates Motel

894
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,200
knows about the Bates Motel.
That's the impression that I get

895
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,640
as well.
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think the

896
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,520
I'm new here is the yeah, I'm
not talking about that.

897
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,080
Sure, way to get out of that
conversation.

898
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,720
Yeah, I think I'm just gullible
then, because I just kind of

899
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,760
like, took it as like they
couldn't be bothered.

900
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Like, yeah, I'm new here.
Like they just didn't want to

901
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,320
even be bothered to talk about
this.

902
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,800
Weird, weird dude.
So wouldn't the Bates Motel even

903
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,880
be relevant?
Like because it's 25 years after

904
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
the episodes of Psycho or 27
years, right?

905
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,880
So the people he's asking, like,
how many people would even be

906
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,000
aware of what happened there
like 27 years later?

907
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,840
I mean it's like asking you know
how many people still remember

908
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,160
OJ 20 something years later?
Like.

909
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,640
We're taking a lot bigger.
But in a small town like this,

910
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,080
that news hits like OJ.
But they're in LA.

911
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,200
What?
I'm saying no, they're in

912
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,760
Fairvale, whether or not
Fairvale is outside of LA or

913
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,880
not.
Is that's my impression is it's

914
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,200
like right outside LA they
probably.

915
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,920
Filmed it now.
Couldn't shot it there.

916
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,000
Yeah, that is true.
But no, it's yeah, like a small

917
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,200
town like Fairvale.
It's probably like the biggest

918
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,600
thing that's ever happened in
this town, particularly if

919
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,800
Norman never got out of prison
and and came back and did the

920
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,000
events of Psycho 2 and Three,
right.

921
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,400
So like, that's like the biggest
thing that's ever happened.

922
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,320
Everybody knows about the Bates
Motel.

923
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,320
There are probably still
teenagers sneaking into the

924
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,440
fruit seller to fornicate as we
speak.

925
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,720
You know, when he's clearing the
place out.

926
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,320
So.
And it's not hurt like by the

927
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,040
bypass anymore because like, at
one point, like, yeah, it's a

928
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,760
half mile up the road, like, and
it's like a pretty busy area.

929
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,680
So like the motel falling out of
danger or falling into danger

930
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,440
probably wouldn't suffice
anymore.

931
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,640
But you get the whole like,
well, I'm going to refix this

932
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,920
place up.
And he meets Greg Henry, who

933
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,680
whenever Greg Henry is on
screen, you can point to like,

934
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,520
OK, this is the bad guy.
Like he just has that natural

935
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,640
smarmy douchebag scheming gonna
pull the rug out under from our

936
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,840
hero face.
Like he's not gonna play a good.

937
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Dude, the.
William Atherton of television

938
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,520
for sure.
Yeah, has that look.

939
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,000
And again, Norman trying to
figure out like building plans,

940
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,040
like again this mental institute
did, did poor Alex like no good

941
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,480
whatsoever?
No.

942
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,240
Favors at all.
Introduced to Lori Petty, who's

943
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,160
been squatting at the Bates
Motel when she's not in her

944
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,400
chicken costume.
And you know, this would have

945
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,400
been like Lori Petty would have
been the costar of this show.

946
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,000
Yes.
She's great, like I love Lori

947
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Petty.
Tank Girl is so much fun.

948
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Like she definitely had a moment
there in the early 90s.

949
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,800
A four year 7 movie run in the
early 90s.

950
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,280
I do think.
She's about four years away from

951
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,600
here.
Yeah, a little bit of Lori Petty

952
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,480
sometimes goes a long way, and
23 hours a week of this might

953
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,040
have been a bit much.
Like you could see like 13

954
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,280
episodes in, like Lori's not
marketing well with the

955
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,480
sponsors.
So in a very special episode,

956
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,760
she's going to reunite with her
family across the country,

957
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,600
right?
I mean, you can definitely see

958
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,480
something like that.
If this was picked up the series

959
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,680
her family comes.
To town.

960
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,800
Looking for her.
Looking for the small town girl

961
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,600
that ran away.
Yeah.

962
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,360
It feels like she should have
been a bigger star, but she made

963
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,400
some choices.
Maybe Hey Girl Hey Girl was like

964
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,160
a huge flop.
Though I.

965
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,680
Mean that in 1990, glorious
flop.

966
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,640
She's got a small role in
Cadillac Man, and then the next

967
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,760
year she's in Point Break 92.
She's in a league of their own.

968
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,800
That's her.
Big of their own.

969
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Those are the ones that were the
big hits.

970
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,480
Those are the big and then
she's.

971
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,560
Small role in poetic justice in
93 she's in free Willy, also in

972
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,520
93 now she.
Was 94 in.

973
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,280
She was not playing the role of
Willy.

974
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,520
OK, sometimes he was the he was.
The trainer at Sea World and

975
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,320
then I've never seen a free.
Willy Theaters.

976
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,120
I've never seen a.
Free Willy, you're OK.

977
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,680
You're OK.
I'm OK.

978
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,680
You're gonna cover that
franchise on the Patreon next?

979
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:33,880
I suppose that's.
Right.

980
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,640
Absolutely.
So Mike can finally watch Free

981
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Willy, I mean.
Michael Madsen.

982
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,600
You know Michael Madsen the same
year he cut off a cop's ear and

983
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,360
Reservoir Dogs.
Yeah.

984
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,240
There you go, all the children
of the world being introduced to

985
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:50,440
him the same time he's being
introduced to everybody else.

986
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,760
The glass shield in 94 and she
plays the Pauly Shore's romantic

987
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,840
interest and in the Army now 94
and I love that immediately goes

988
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,480
into Tank Girl.
Maybe it's the back-to-back of.

989
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,440
Pauly, Shore and.
Pauly Shore and Tank Girl and

990
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,960
Tank Girl.
It's a lot of fun, like it's

991
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,000
ahead of it's time.
It's a lot of fun, but it was a

992
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,400
head scratcher back in in, which
is weird because like 95 is like

993
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,760
peak alternative rock and Grand
Jara and like there's that whole

994
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:26,600
like punk has made its return
like punk rock 2 point O it.

995
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,640
You know, it's like a thing in
the culture.

996
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,920
So you think something like Take
Girl would hit?

997
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,960
Yeah.
It very much does not hit.

998
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,040
It is not a not a hit so
directed.

999
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,120
By Freddy's dead director Rachel
Talloway as well Tank Girl.

1000
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,040
So I don't know framing Tank
Girl could be a a a candidate

1001
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,360
for the patron, if not free
Willy, like I could see doing

1002
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,280
that as a one off.
It's 1995.

1003
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,640
So we're now it's the 31st
anniversary.

1004
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,840
Nice round Number.
I can see covering.

1005
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,560
There we go.
Sure.

1006
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,120
I've never seen Tank Girl
though.

1007
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,160
We watched it for
disenfranchised.

1008
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:07,960
Interested.
Yeah.

1009
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,320
I just, I've never seen it.
Yeah.

1010
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,400
So this whole first half is
basically Alex and Willie and

1011
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,240
also Moses Gunn, who plays
Henry, who becomes the

1012
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,640
caretaker.
And Henry is the first person to

1013
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,240
actually offer Alex any help,
and he's like a kind older

1014
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,560
gentleman.
And the person that tells him

1015
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,360
where the Bates Motel is, he
offers to take him there.

1016
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,760
Basically gives him directions.
I mean, that's what passes for

1017
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,480
kindness at this point.
So maybe we're.

1018
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,600
All drives him out there and
like helps basically kind of

1019
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,640
becomes his contractor slash
handyman.

1020
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Yeah, around that like he would
probably have been a recurring

1021
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,600
character.
At least he would have been the

1022
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,520
show most likely.
Definitely it was going to be

1023
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,160
these three that would have been
on the show.

1024
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,760
Moses Gunn I should point out
from shaft and shafts.

1025
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,880
Big score.
That's right.

1026
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,800
Just like a kind of a one of a
great black exploitation actor

1027
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,440
and kind of, you know, running
around doing kind of bit parts

1028
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,000
and stuff.
Like a lot of these guys were

1029
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,600
honestly none of even the big
stars in this like, quote, UN

1030
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,520
quote, big star like Bud Court
had been a relatively big rising

1031
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,800
star in the 70s.
Everyone's kind of slum in it

1032
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,000
and basically has been stuck
doing TV for a while at this

1033
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:19,680
point.
Yeah.

1034
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,000
I mean, it would have been a big
deal if this went to series

1035
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,360
because you're getting like it's
a time when there are only three

1036
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,000
networks and you're getting like
22 episodes a week.

1037
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,840
So right.
And like even a bad show, like

1038
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,560
even a flop, I think this was
seen by like 15,000,000 people.

1039
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,880
Like it was seen by a lot of
folks.

1040
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,440
But definitely did better in the
ratings than the other move.

1041
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,160
The ABC Movie of the Week best
kept secrets from 1984.

1042
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,040
Yeah.
So it's just like you're

1043
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,760
definitely like, it's not
prestige.

1044
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,080
Like it's not like now where
it's maybe easier to make that

1045
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,400
leap from like the television,
the movies and back and forth.

1046
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,440
There's less of that kind of
dividing line between the two

1047
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,600
formats, but it would have been
a steady gig so.

1048
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,240
And 15,000,000 would be a huge
cut nowadays.

1049
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,720
Yeah, it'd be like the number
probably be close to the number

1050
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,160
one show in the country at this
point, so.

1051
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,000
Yeah, which?
According to tdtango.com, it got

1052
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,320
a 27 share in the ratings for,
which means that it was on

1053
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,800
which.
One out of every four, just over

1054
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,680
one out of every four
televisions that was on was

1055
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,360
tuned into this this show.
Which is not bad numbers.

1056
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,280
Honestly, it's not good enough
to bring it to series.

1057
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,720
Yeah, I don't think that would
have sustained.

1058
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,120
Like, I think the folks that
watch this were probably left

1059
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,840
scratching their heads at the
end, like, what the hell did I

1060
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,760
just watch?
Why is Teen Wolf killing

1061
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,200
himself?
Mr. Jason Bateman, So.

1062
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,680
Teen Wolf 2, please.
That's true too.

1063
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,120
Yeah, that's true.
Teen Wolf 2.

1064
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,880
TO.
TOO, Yes.

1065
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,560
God.
Teen Wolf also.

1066
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,000
Yeah.
Jason So yes, I am Teen Wolf

1067
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,560
also.
That is like, let's talk about

1068
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,920
the second-half of this episode
here.

1069
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,680
Like, I do want to know if
Barbara ever did go on to write

1070
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,800
that yoga book.
Like, I definitely would have

1071
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,600
liked to come back, but it is so
weird, right?

1072
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,960
Feels like a an after school
special.

1073
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,360
Sure, it really does.
It's not.

1074
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,480
Particularly, particularly when
we go out to the car and it's

1075
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,920
all the teenagers basically
saying how old they were when

1076
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,240
they died, like.
I killed myself when I was 16.

1077
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,800
I killed.
Myself Christmas Eve 1959 and

1078
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,080
you're like, oh God.
It's like when you watch like an

1079
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,200
NFL game, right, and they
introduce the starting line UPS

1080
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,480
like and it's like Drake may
quarterback UNC.

1081
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,240
It's like that is, you know the
all I can.

1082
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,360
Think of Now is the Key and
Peele sketch.

1083
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,560
I have not seen which.
Oh, do you not know that we're

1084
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,560
basically the two of them
dressed as a like a ton of

1085
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040
different football player?
And the names get increasingly

1086
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,360
more ridiculous as it goes.
Yeah, the the pin, the Stinger

1087
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,640
on the end is it's a white guy
and it's just like Austin Smith,

1088
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,120
Brigham Young University.
Like that's the Stinger.

1089
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,520
Like that's the big Stinger at
the.

1090
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,520
End if these.
Names are more and more

1091
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,960
ridiculous and then you finally
get to the last guy and it's

1092
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,720
just some guy named white guy
named Smith from BYU.

1093
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,200
Like it's amazing.
It's go look those up, Mike.

1094
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,360
Holy shit, I can't.
You've never seen those.

1095
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,080
How do ghosts pay?
Ghost money.

1096
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,160
Right.
Does the ghost money disappear

1097
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,040
when they do?
I think it does.

1098
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,920
I think that's the point.
That's why Greg Henry came back

1099
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,800
at the end, because they hadn't.
Paid him yet?

1100
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,320
Well, no.
They only had like one day to

1101
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,720
pay him.
Right the the the.

1102
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,240
And they weren't.
Going to be able to cause ghost.

1103
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,320
Money.
Yeah, the motel was opening on a

1104
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,160
Tuesday and Wednesday the
mortgage was due is my

1105
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,120
understanding of like that 10.
1000.

1106
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:07,360
Dollars right, so every every
episode in theory should have

1107
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,520
ended because like as far as we
know, like Alex and Willie and

1108
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,600
Henry like they're not in on the
fact that like all of the guests

1109
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,040
are dead.
They're like, dude, we need more

1110
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,920
punch like that's a plot point.
It's like will Willie be able to

1111
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:26,280
make more punch before the party
ends like at the end of every

1112
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,840
episode should have ended with
like Alex opening the till being

1113
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,400
like all our money is gone
again.

1114
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,080
We've been robbed again, like
every and there would have been

1115
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,120
like a.
Barbara Woman.

1116
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,240
Jerry Arbaugh could have had
like a recurring Rd. as a cop

1117
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,440
investigating like the break
insurance and then, you know,

1118
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,760
like sweeps week.
You could have had the reveal

1119
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,520
that it's ghosts.
I guess I don't know, like how

1120
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,640
did?
I don't think it would have been

1121
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,160
ghosts every.
Week.

1122
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,360
But do you feel bad for Alex?
Like he's going to, he's like

1123
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,800
running this business.
He's running a charity at this

1124
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,240
point.
Basically, they're a bunch of

1125
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,280
freeloading dead people.
I mean he got one paying guest

1126
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,880
out of it.
One paying customer.

1127
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,240
That's not going on it.
That's not.

1128
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,480
And even then, he makes an
assumption dollars isn't gonna.

1129
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,200
Happen you're only staying one
night.

1130
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,960
How did you know?
I've seen our hotel just like.

1131
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,280
Call it a wild guess, you look
like someone who's mainly

1132
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,400
suicidal.
The remodel of the baseball.

1133
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,520
Let's talk about that.
We need to talk about.

1134
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,760
That's an interesting,
interesting choice.

1135
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:38,960
It's like El Rancho Bates Motel.
Yeah, it's just the big stucco

1136
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:44,680
wall around the place now.
Yeah, the the beautiful Bates

1137
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,840
Fountain.
Yeah, and there's a kitchen now.

1138
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,120
There's this cafe Cater.
Yeah, yeah.

1139
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,880
That was the big Yeah, sure to
give Willie something to do, I

1140
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,880
guess, every week.
A reason to stick around.

1141
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,360
Yeah.
And apparently.

1142
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,400
That's there anymore?
Let's put it no.

1143
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,160
It apparently stuck around until
93 was when they finally tore

1144
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,000
all that down, that is.
What I read online saying you

1145
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,440
have this iconic location that
everybody recognized, and it's

1146
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,760
like, what if we drastically
change the look of it?

1147
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,560
Yeah, and make it worse.
Yeah, So it was a part

1148
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,520
apparently part of the and I'm
again, I'm not sure how they did

1149
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,200
it for 9 for because it seems
like they would have torn it

1150
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,800
down for cycle 4, but.
Apparently it was not.

1151
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,800
So far it was in Florida.
It's in Florida.

1152
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,160
Oh, that's why like, that's why
cycle. 4 was conceived because

1153
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,200
Universal Theme Parks was
opening and they're like I.

1154
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,440
Remember that point?
Now you should.

1155
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,040
Probably do another movie to
promote the theme park a little

1156
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,240
bit.
Yeah, which is why there's

1157
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,240
deleted scenes of Cycle 4 of
Norman riding roller coasters

1158
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,400
going like, man, I love this ET
ride, don't you?

1159
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,680
And it's a young Norman but.
What are they trying to say?

1160
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,680
Yeah.
Young Norman, played by Henry

1161
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,320
Thomas of ET fame.
Exactly.

1162
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Exactly.
Yeah.

1163
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,960
And apparently the apparently
Bud Court called Anthony Perkins

1164
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,040
when he took on this role to ask
for advice.

1165
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,000
And Perkins, one piece of advice
was to do push ups, kid.

1166
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Wow, I.
Mean.

1167
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,000
Anthony Perkins hitting his like
I'm a Dick stage of life between

1168
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,680
the failure of Psycho because
it's, you know, Psycho 3 flopped

1169
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,640
and then this comes out a year
later.

1170
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,120
I'm sure Perkins is feeling
pretty salty about it, you know?

1171
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,520
There was a rumor that he was
like campaigning against the

1172
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,240
show, which I don't think he
was, but he did say it like a

1173
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,320
convention.
Yeah, I saw it.

1174
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,480
It was pretty terrible.
Yeah, I mean, he can't blame

1175
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,680
him.
He's just speaking the truth.

1176
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,640
It's not wrong.
I mean like, it's not like I.

1177
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,640
Said It's like, it's not, it's
definitely not good, but it's

1178
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,760
harmless.
That's what exactly it's.

1179
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,200
I think that's the way to put
it.

1180
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,960
Curiosity.
I think it.

1181
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:59,280
Passed Brian you can you are
forced to watch this or the Gus

1182
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,720
Van Sant remake for 48 hours or
this.

1183
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,360
OK, I think I'm watching the Van
Sant remake.

1184
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,320
OK.
And I'll tell.

1185
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,640
You I mean I have that on blue
eyes for the quality is better

1186
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:12,840
but.
Yeah, that's true.

1187
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,480
I do feel more passionately
about the remake.

1188
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,600
So I mean, certainly if I just
wanna be.

1189
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,120
You certainly.
If I just wanna be in a state of

1190
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,400
just being perpetually pissed
off, then, you know, then I'll

1191
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,360
watch the remake.
Yeah, depends on your mood that

1192
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,200
the go the morning going into
it.

1193
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,240
Like, do I wanna be pissed off
for two days?

1194
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:31,640
Or do I want?
To just feel, yeah.

1195
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,640
Sometimes you just want to feel
that righteous anger, you know?

1196
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,120
Absolutely, absolutely.
I understand.

1197
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,720
I feel like I could watch this
for 48 hours straight and then

1198
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,600
completely forget it 10 minutes
later.

1199
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,080
Pretty much I I'm struggling to
talk about this movie right now

1200
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,400
because we are.
I watched it too long ago.

1201
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,480
But I'm reading IMDb trivia
right now.

1202
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,240
That's that's how far.
We've gone, do you think, like,

1203
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,640
Jason Bateman has made a deal
with the devil to get the sort

1204
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,080
of career, you know, renaissance
that he did?

1205
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,600
Because, like, I mean, he
disappears it feels like for a

1206
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,160
long time and then comes back
with Arrested Development.

1207
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,760
And now everything's been coming
up Bateman for like 25 years.

1208
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:22,280
He just needs to be on his knees
thanking Mitch Hurwitz every day

1209
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,240
for the career resurgence that
he's had because he, yeah, he

1210
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,480
was essentially in relative
obscurity up until Arrested

1211
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:30,880
Development.
And everyone's like, Oh yeah,

1212
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,560
Jason Bateman, I remember.
That kind of like him, yeah.

1213
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,120
Silver spoons, right?
Kind of.

1214
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,840
I think he was kind of seen as a
knock off Michael J Fox for a.

1215
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:39,800
While.
Oh, absolutely.

1216
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,600
Yeah.
Absolutely he was.

1217
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,800
Yeah.
Which is why he got Teen Wolf

1218
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,840
too.
Yeah.

1219
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,840
And yeah, it's, it's because he,
his show, the Val's family and

1220
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,680
everything was sort of and the
Hogan family, they went through

1221
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,240
a lot of different name changes.
Yeah, feels like more like

1222
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,600
growing pains like.
Yeah.

1223
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,560
Oh yeah.
Almost like, like even a Kirk

1224
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,560
Cameron.
Yeah.

1225
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,400
You could see, like Bateman and
Kirk Cameron, like competing for

1226
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,680
a lot of roles, you know?
Sure.

1227
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,280
Yeah.
Oh God, this movie comes out the

1228
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,520
same year as Teen Wolf 2.
That's wild to man.

1229
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,560
Yeah, what a awful year for
Jason Bateman.

1230
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,800
Like.
Poor Jason Bateman.

1231
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,800
Yeah, and also he plays himself
on an episode of Matlock in 87

1232
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,520
as well.
So keep up the good work buddy.

1233
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,400
That's probably the highlight of
the year.

1234
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,640
That's probably the.
When you're playing yourself and

1235
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,240
you're how old was he at that
time, you know, that's a little

1236
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,080
bit wow.
Yeah, yeah.

1237
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,440
But the kid had been work.
I mean, like, silver spoons,

1238
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,320
picket fence.
Was he on?

1239
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,560
No, he wasn't on picket fences.
But like, he had been kind of a

1240
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,080
fixture on TV since he was a
kid.

1241
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,280
Like, he just kind of grew up
right in front of everyone's

1242
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,360
eyes.
And of course, as we know,

1243
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,560
Hollywood is extremely kind and
accepting of child stars to try

1244
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,600
to age into adult roles.
I forgot that he was like Ricky

1245
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,240
Schroeder's buddy on Silver
Spoons.

1246
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,000
That's right.
He's kind of like the douchey

1247
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,840
friend on that show, right?
Yeah, the role.

1248
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,760
He was born to play what?
Isn't, yeah, isn't Alfonso

1249
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,800
Ribeiro on that show too?
Yes, he is.

1250
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,600
He was.
He was the neighbor too, you

1251
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,120
know.
Yeah, it was that.

1252
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,000
I know that, of course, from the
Family Guy.

1253
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,160
Gag When they're like, is it
Alfonso Rivero Ribeiro and

1254
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,680
Silver Spoons And like, I don't
know, let's ask him.

1255
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,760
And they turn around and there's
like a mover walking out of

1256
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,080
their house like, hey, Alfonso,
were you on silver spoons?

1257
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,080
And he's like, yes, I was, yeah.
Well, that got me.

1258
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,920
That's awesome.
I mean, the couple notes I had

1259
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,439
on on Bateman and his scenes
here and there are twofold #1

1260
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,160
there was a time when like
middle-aged folks making out

1261
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,240
with high schoolers was
considered at worst, like a

1262
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,800
little bit of a social faux pas.
Like there's no real

1263
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,840
repercussions of this.
Like 40 year old very beautiful

1264
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,160
woman, like kind of making the
goo goo eyes at a very underage

1265
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,240
Jason Bateman.
Like, it's kind of like, maybe

1266
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,200
that's not the best decision,
but it's not quite a scandal.

1267
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,640
Right.
And he seems very upset that

1268
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,319
she's not wanting to make out
with him.

1269
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,040
Like can't.
Blame him, He can't blame.

1270
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,359
Him, I mean, no, but like full
on Moody teenager.

1271
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,880
Oh yeah, you know, out, out by
the fountain, like close to

1272
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,840
crying.
Like why won't you kiss me?

1273
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,120
Yeah, it's like, because you
should still be wearing Footsie

1274
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,359
pajamas.
Sally, I love you with my

1275
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:26,680
feathered hair.
The other part of it is like,

1276
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:31,359
Sally, the teenager who's kind
of guiding Barbara, Sally

1277
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,520
through this whole thing.
And why did, like, Barbara have

1278
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,479
to, like, fake her name?
Like, your real name is Sally.

1279
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,040
How do you know my real name?
It's like.

1280
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,880
That's what people do when they
check into the Bates Motel.

1281
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,680
They give a guy, I guess, just
what people do.

1282
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,880
Well, Sally makes it sound like
death is really horrible, Like,

1283
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,720
oh, it's cold and terrible, but
it's a group of teens that are

1284
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,000
riding around in these like,
badass convertibles, right?

1285
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,760
And they're like, crushing it at
parties all night, having like,

1286
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,000
dances, making out and listening
to rock'n'roll music all night.

1287
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,720
I'm like, fucking a, sign me up.
You mean like, I don't have to

1288
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,920
pay taxes?
Like, I don't have to look for

1289
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,480
husband #4 I can just like
listen to like.

1290
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,760
These, these are like the ones
that get recruited, the dead

1291
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,480
people that get recruited to be
like the Ghost of Christmas

1292
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:23,240
Past.
Yeah.

1293
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,000
It's like, how do I get that
gig, you know?

1294
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:30,320
But in fairness, you don't see
what it's like after they get in

1295
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,440
the convertible and drive off
into into nothing like you

1296
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:34,360
don't.
You don't know what they're

1297
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,560
driving off into so but.
They have better.

1298
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,360
Time to reunite the next night.
They're going to reunite the

1299
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,360
next night to go and teach the
same lesson to someone else.

1300
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,160
And they're never paying for.
Anything like the other thing

1301
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,040
that made me think of, it's like
touched by an Angel, you know?

1302
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:50,960
Yeah.
Yes.

1303
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,000
That's the gig that they.
Don't touch by an Angel.

1304
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,560
Vibe, they're hitting the.
In and Out burger after this and

1305
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,880
they're not paying for anything.
They're like, here's my $10.00

1306
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,920
for a.
Here's my.

1307
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,880
Three extra crispy and it
disappears and they're like

1308
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,560
foiled again by those dead
teens.

1309
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,600
Like when will I ever learn?
If Alex doesn't know how a drive

1310
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,160
through works, these fifty
teenagers are not going to know

1311
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,320
how a drive through.
Works either they would have

1312
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,000
had, but they've been around the
world is the difference though.

1313
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,120
Like they've driven around,
they've seen things, they know

1314
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,520
how to check in a hotel, they
know how to play instruments.

1315
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,320
Like they know how rock'n'roll
works.

1316
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,960
They know how to dance.
They know what?

1317
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,800
Books are, so I'm guessing that
they are a little bit more

1318
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,640
literate in the ways of the real
world than Alex, who has like

1319
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,560
lived his whole life in this
institute.

1320
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,960
That's fair.
Right.

1321
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,080
And in the 50s, they would not
have necessarily had Dr.

1322
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,240
Throughs, but they would have
had drive UPS where you, like,

1323
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,720
pull in, yeah, talking to a
speaker.

1324
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,200
And then like a cutie patootie
on roller skates comes by with

1325
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,680
like your tray and they put it
on the end of the I've seen it.

1326
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaking of George Lucas.
Yeah.

1327
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,280
There we go.
Comes back to George Lucas.

1328
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,840
Have you guys ever been to a a
like a classic drive in yes

1329
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,720
diner?
Yeah, love those things.

1330
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,600
Good time.
It was a good one in my hometown

1331
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,240
of Indianapolis, IN called the
Frost top mug and bun.

1332
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,160
Yeah.
And man, I remember going there

1333
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,800
for like foot long chili cheese
dogs with my dad.

1334
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,560
Onion rings.
Big old frosted glass root beer.

1335
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,440
Could go for that right now.
Right, that sounds there's a

1336
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:31,080
Sonic not far from here.
But yeah, can't drive right now,

1337
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,320
so it's a problem.
Otherwise I'd I'd be there

1338
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,080
getting me.
We should do a Sonic episodes

1339
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,640
from Sonics just do like a.
Hey, there's a Sonic right down

1340
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,600
the street from us, and it also
happens to be the site of the

1341
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,120
church where we got married.
It's now a Sonic.

1342
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,360
I remember you saying that.
Before, yes, yeah, the the

1343
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,680
church where we got married was
demolished and they put up a

1344
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,320
Sonic, so wow.
Oh man.

1345
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,880
Every every year we we say hey,
we we should go there on our

1346
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,080
anniversary and then it turns
out my wife is like gluten

1347
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,920
intolerant.
So that doesn't work anymore,

1348
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,600
but hey.
No, nothing there.

1349
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,360
She can eat that.
Sucks, but hey, yeah, that's my

1350
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,280
story.
We used to have an A&W downtown

1351
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,520
like that too.
That was pretty cool.

1352
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,720
The place we got married was a
restaurant in Harvard Square,

1353
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,160
like right in above this like
little park, really cute area

1354
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,600
and it's no longer there.
Like it is no longer and it's

1355
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,440
been closed down.
So we outlasted that.

1356
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:37,280
So good for us.
Well, Speaking of outlasting,

1357
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,680
we've kind of mentioned the
scooby-doo ending.

1358
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,200
Do you guys want to touch on
this ending so we can wrap

1359
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:43,000
things up here?
I.

1360
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:48,560
Love it so much legitimately I
so good like a mad king.

1361
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,320
I had like I was kind of like
what is this?

1362
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,560
Who is this for?
This is and then the double

1363
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,000
reverse Scooby-doo ending
happens and I'm like fuck yes,

1364
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,560
this is amazing.
Basically bud court Alex has

1365
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,280
been seeing the the shadow of
Gloria in this baits in the

1366
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,320
window and has been like running
up to like checking and she's

1367
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,040
always gone by the time he gets
there.

1368
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:13,280
So finally he runs into check
and and comes across the

1369
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,600
spectral form of Gloria at the
top of the stairs and he comes

1370
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:23,200
running down the stairs and gets
just bodied by Moses gun and

1371
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,760
turns out it in a in a
scooby-doo esque twist.

1372
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,520
It's it's Greg Henry in a very
cheap mask and a very amorphous

1373
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,800
dress.
Yeah, it looks like the.

1374
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,440
I mean, again, it looks like the
outfit from afar because again,

1375
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:40,200
it's not crystal clear.
It looks like a ghost face out,

1376
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,320
especially because he's holding
the knife above his head.

1377
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:48,120
But then not only that, when?
When, when Greg is when Greg

1378
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,560
Henry is like, go ahead and tell
the sheriff, like who are they

1379
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,320
going to believe?
Like a wackadoo like you and

1380
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,920
some like some drifter like
Henry, like Laurie Kenny comes

1381
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:03,880
running in in the same outfit,
like she is somehow cured the

1382
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,000
same outfit and scares him.
And then like record.

1383
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,720
I don't think this confession
would be admissible in a court

1384
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,480
of law.
Hey, he believes it is so they

1385
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,200
they've got him over the barrel
for returning the money like

1386
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,520
they're able to prolong their
stay of execution.

1387
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,080
Negotiate.
Now one thing I made a note on

1388
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,880
rewatch of this Clay did watch
it twice because I'm nothing if

1389
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,640
not thorough for this show is
both times like the voice of

1390
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,120
like Norman's mother is the same
voice.

1391
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:36,480
Same exact voice, despite it
being played by two completely

1392
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:40,000
different people, one of them
being a man with a very Husky

1393
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,440
voice.
Right.

1394
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:46,520
So yeah, we weren't quite going
for for, we weren't quite trying

1395
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,800
to go for reality here, right?
It's just some attitude here.

1396
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:52,320
People are stupid.
They'll buy anything.

1397
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,680
It was the 80s.
One of the things I also noticed

1398
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:03,360
about this particular film is
they did give Missus Bates a

1399
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,680
different first name.
It's not Norma.

1400
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,200
It's Gloria.
Yeah, it's Gloria.

1401
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:14,520
Gloria Bates.
So like, that's so maybe perhaps

1402
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,240
my theory that her real name was
not Norma is and because Norman

1403
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,480
didn't remember her real name is
is true after all.

1404
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,280
She was also buried on the hotel
site.

1405
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,280
Like after that, like we kind of
forgot about the corpse after

1406
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,280
the events of Psycho and we
don't know what happened to.

1407
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,160
Her.
And she was like, just dumped in

1408
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,440
a hole somewhere.
It's like, my goodness.

1409
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:42,600
Oh, and here's your father.
Here's his father, too.

1410
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,800
His name is Jake, by the way.
Yeah, just as as evidenced by

1411
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,200
this monogrammed ring, which is,
like, totally a product of the

1412
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,440
80s.
Yeah, not Jacob, Jake.

1413
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,800
Bates, Jake Bates.
What a yeah, that.

1414
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,920
Sounds like an appetizer in a
Chili's.

1415
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,760
Yeah, that'd be Jake Bites.
Yeah, I could go for some.

1416
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,120
Dry, our new Jake.
Bite.

1417
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,960
Go for some Jake.
Bite little like.

1418
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,440
Crispy steak bit so you dip into
like a nice kind of like spicy

1419
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,520
Russian dressing or something
like I could go from.

1420
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,520
Sure, there you go.
I'm intrigued.

1421
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,320
Fucking hungry right now or.
Now I am too.

1422
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,960
Damn.
It Do we have any final thoughts

1423
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,600
on Bates Motel?
I just hope that if this thing

1424
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,680
had been picked up to series,
every episode ends with like a

1425
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,640
Jerry's Corner kind of with,
with Budcourt turning to the

1426
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,560
camera.
Yeah, talking about what we

1427
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,440
learned here today.
Like, I just.

1428
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:37,960
That would be great.
I would love that.

1429
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,160
I would hope they come with a
little song, you know?

1430
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,800
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1431
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,600
What did we learn today,
listeners?

1432
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,480
I would have loved.
It I've just I've got the Veggie

1433
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:46,920
Tales.
What have we learned so.

1434
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,240
That's what I was.
That's what I was talking to as

1435
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:49,720
well.
Yeah.

1436
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,080
So what we?
Have learned that too, but here

1437
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,720
we go.
Well then there's also Wheel of

1438
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,720
Morality from Animaniacs.
Wheel of Morality Turn, turn

1439
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,040
turn.
This is a common theme for a

1440
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,080
while in animation.
What is?

1441
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,200
It the end though when he does
that little soliloquy like

1442
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,440
talking to the audience and
breaking the 4th wall like Henry

1443
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,600
and Willie were like who is he
talking to?

1444
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,800
And they get like a little
nervous.

1445
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,400
Like fleabag times and Fleabag
or someone like catches her

1446
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,000
talking to herself.
Yeah, yeah.

1447
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,640
Yeah, like, what if they did
something like that and they're

1448
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,760
like, I don't know about.
I think Alex is losing it, man.

1449
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,000
And they get like nervous like.
I mean, that would be a good

1450
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,920
runner for the show,
particularly because, again,

1451
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,240
this is supposed to be a
descendant of Psycho.

1452
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,680
Our narrator should be somewhat
unreliable.

1453
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,560
So I, I feel like that would be
a good fit.

1454
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,800
Again, kind of the the thing
that Alex appears to be cured.

1455
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,920
I, I feel like that would become
something that may become a

1456
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,720
little more tenuous as the
series went on.

1457
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,920
If if we're going to try to make
it seem like psycho.

1458
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,840
Even the music of this is like
so sacred.

1459
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,600
It's like that kind of twinkly
piano, like piano like.

1460
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,920
There's nothing like that
suggests horror whatsoever on a

1461
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,880
show called Bates Motel.
It's almost like ghosts.

1462
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,840
Yeah.
Except that even the ghosts are

1463
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,760
friendly.
The ghosts are like, don't kill

1464
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,760
yourself, like.
But they're ghosts.

1465
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,000
Yeah.
But they're like Casper, like,

1466
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,000
yeah.
Nobody ever watched Casper the

1467
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,600
Friendly Ghosts growing up, but
they're like, oh, my God.

1468
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,280
Like what a horror show this is.
Like no one ever talks about

1469
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,080
Casper the Friendly dead kid,
you know, like no one ever talks

1470
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,960
about that.
It's almost like it would every

1471
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,640
episode would have been like
tonight on a very special

1472
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,000
episode of Bates Motel.
Like Alex learns about caffeine

1473
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,440
pills and it's kind of like the
saved by the bell.

1474
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:42,440
All right, listeners, we hope
you've enjoyed our our

1475
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:44,840
discussion.
We'll we'll put the late.

1476
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,560
Rambling.
Tangential.

1477
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,040
Yeah, it.
Would be amazing as who whoever

1478
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:53,880
posted like the the video for
the show like all the sudden it

1479
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,960
gets like hundreds of like
watches in like the next couple

1480
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,040
weeks.
They'd be like, what?

1481
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,480
Pod pendulum bump.
Baby.

1482
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:01,360
Yeah.
And then it like someone decides

1483
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,040
to revive it, Like we should
bring this back.

1484
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,920
In In loving Memory of Bud
Court.

1485
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:07,840
Yeah.
All right, guys.

1486
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,200
Well, what's going on in the
world?

1487
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,920
Where can folks find you both?
Brian OK, go ahead.

1488
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,600
Well, I just released a or I
didn't.

1489
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:22,200
My editor did a piece on fake
Seattle in horror movies of

1490
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,880
recent years.
Talking about for I think the

1491
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,960
last year and a half.
That was a hoot.

1492
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:32,520
I mean, that was fun to to dive
into that for real and find out,

1493
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,200
hey, this was filmed in New
Zealand.

1494
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:36,600
Yeah.
So that was fun.

1495
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,000
But so anyway, I knew something
was off.

1496
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,640
I think you're Jackson Seattle.
Yeah, pretty much.

1497
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,880
So anyway, that was fun to
write.

1498
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,680
And I've got my next
Frankenstein piece should be

1499
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,440
coming out sometime before too
long.

1500
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,760
And yeah, holy Terrors is
chugging right along.

1501
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,200
We've got our recent episode on
the burbs just came out.

1502
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:02,800
We thought such a good.
Episode.

1503
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,200
Let's talk about that.
Well, we recorded that a while

1504
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,880
ago, before we even knew about
the TV series.

1505
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,120
So there's no mention of the TV
series I.

1506
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,280
Was gonna say, which is why it
doesn't come up at.

1507
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:21,160
So anyway, but the and we're
gonna be starting to do

1508
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,080
interstitial.
I don't know what it is when

1509
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,560
we're not releasing a main
episode, we're gonna do a little

1510
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,200
episodes called the Confessional
where we talk about what we've

1511
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,840
been watching and also maybe
make a few corrections if we've

1512
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,920
screwed up certain facts and
figures on on the shows

1513
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,880
themselves.
And so that was fun.

1514
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,000
We recorded our first one and
that's going to come out

1515
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,360
probably this same weekend as
this.

1516
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:51,280
Not sure.
So anyway, yeah, so look for

1517
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,960
Holy Terrors on Apple Podcasts,
Spotify, etcetera, wherever you

1518
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,360
find your podcasts.
And it's on Instagram and

1519
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,080
Threads at Holy Terrors podcast
and Blue Sky at Holy Terrors.

1520
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:07,720
And you can find me at Brian
Waves 42 everywhere except I

1521
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,120
don't go on Twitter.
Excellent.

1522
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,160
You're you're better off.
Better off for it.

1523
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,760
I am, I'm kind of taking a
hiatus for most of my projects

1524
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,960
right now, although we did have
a a disenfranchised meeting.

1525
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,320
I think Tucker's going to take
the ball and run with it for a

1526
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:24,960
little bit.
And so we will.

1527
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,600
And we talked about a couple of
like smaller Patreon focused

1528
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,160
episodes for our patrons who
have been paying us money for

1529
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,760
nothing for the last little bit
of time.

1530
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,080
So might be doing something
something for them here pretty

1531
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,560
soon.
But yeah, this is where you can

1532
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,040
find me for the foreseeable
future.

1533
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,720
And you can also find me on Blue
Sky and Letterbox at Chewy

1534
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,440
Walrus, So take a look.
Excellent.

1535
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:47,400
You can find me at Mike's
Noonian on Blue Sky.

1536
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,200
You can find the show at Pod and
Pendulum on Blue Sky and

1537
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,600
Instagram and our website
podandthependulum.com where all

1538
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,120
of our back episodes are.
But we encourage you to leave us

1539
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,800
reviews on Apple and Spotify.
We've got some recent like

1540
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,800
Spotify rankings and they must
be good ones because it just

1541
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,440
kind of ticked up like 1/10 of a
point, which is great.

1542
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,200
You can comment on every episode
and you can leave nice comments

1543
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,720
or mean comments on Spotify.
Like whatever you're whatever

1544
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,840
you're really feeling folks.
And then.

1545
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,320
Apple, maybe the guy who left us
the negative comments has some

1546
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,320
detractors and they're like, if
he doesn't like this show, it's

1547
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,040
got to be good.
I don't know.

1548
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,440
I don't know who knows, but it
was, look, we appreciate it.

1549
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,240
We appreciate all our listeners
and thank you for listening on

1550
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,760
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Five stars and a few kind words

1551
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,320
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listeners finding the show.

1552
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,240
If you really like what we do,
go to patreon.com/pod and The

1553
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:44,560
Pendulum where we have like over
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1554
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,080
content at this point which is
fantastic and more of it is

1555
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,080
coming.
We need to pick a day to do our

1556
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,840
over the top watch along.
Yes, we do.

1557
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,840
Last week didn't work out, but
that's totally OK.

1558
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,160
Just keep threatening that until
it happens.

1559
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,440
Until it actually happens.
It will.

1560
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,360
It will, yeah.
We are promising you right now

1561
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,400
it will it.
Will happen doggone it, but

1562
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,080
we'll be back next week with our
coverage and Nicole is going to

1563
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,320
step into the big chair because
I didn't think I was going to be

1564
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:19,080
able to watch all of the series.
I had only watched season 1 at

1565
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,720
that point and I'm like Nicole,
you've seen it all.

1566
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,160
Can you like host?
And she very excited for her to

1567
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,160
sit in the big chair.
But it looks like I'll be able

1568
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,480
to sit in on the show because I
will have because it is a very

1569
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:34,000
bingeable show.
I'm not sure if it's a well, you

1570
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,960
know what, it's a good show in a
lot of ways.

1571
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,880
It's a very melodramatic.
It has some flaws, but Bates

1572
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,920
Motel, the TV series that ran
for five seasons, Oh boy.

1573
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,160
It's a lot of fun and I'm
looking forward to these last 10

1574
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,000
episodes.
I haven't gotten very far.

1575
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,840
I'm only I'm on Season 2 right
now, so I'm not going to.

1576
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,880
Unfortunately I don't think I'm
going to be able to make it but.

1577
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:01,760
When they stop with the whole,
is a Norman's older brother

1578
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,480
slash older brother going to
know?

1579
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:10,080
How will he and how will he turn
out in the weed growing

1580
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,880
impresario business that is like
keeping the town afloat when

1581
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,480
they just stop with that
storyline the and start like

1582
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:22,200
setting the pieces up for psycho
like it does get a lot better.

1583
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,560
There's sort of Twin Peaks vibes
in those early seasons with like

1584
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,280
the like, it's a, it's a small
town in the pack Northwest with

1585
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,360
a, with a shady history that no
one really talks about.

1586
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,920
Yeah, Richard Carboneville is
always like a lot of fun to

1587
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,360
watch.
Those are.

1588
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,080
I missed the what would you say?
I I, I said.

1589
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,760
But it's Oregon.
Yeah, true.

1590
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,880
That's true.
In the immortal words of Akon,

1591
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,480
Brian still counts, yeah.
I love Oregon.

1592
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,640
I think this is going to be a
really.

1593
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,520
Fun episode.
It'll be something.

1594
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,320
Pacific Northwest show ever.
Something we might have normally

1595
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,560
done on the patron, but like,
why not do do it on the main

1596
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,240
feed?
And then, Steven, I think you're

1597
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,040
sitting in the big boy chair for
our next episode.

1598
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,000
Yeah.
Which is 1.

1599
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,960
Oh my goodness, look at that.
No, he's going to keep going

1600
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,560
because he's got the entire
series of novelizations.

1601
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,680
Brian is pulling out the
novelizations of our next

1602
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,760
franchise, The Omen, and I'm
expecting him to be on every

1603
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,160
episode of that and had to have
reread each and every one of

1604
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,120
those novelizations to tell us
the differences before each

1605
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,000
episode.
Brian just made a face.

1606
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,320
Ryan is currently making a face.
I'm just like, I don't know how

1607
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,960
I can make that happen.
I don't.

1608
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,480
Think I believe in you?
I've got so much going on.

1609
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:38,000
Right.
Do not.

1610
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:38,920
Worry about.
It Brian.

1611
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,600
You don't worry, we got not
coverage for we.

1612
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,880
Got coverage?
Yeah, I don't think I can even

1613
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,720
do the next one, honestly.
The the Don't Worry TV series, I

1614
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,520
think we got a.
Three, we got a three person

1615
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,160
crew for that, so we're OK.
But cool.

1616
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:55,560
So, but next we are covering the
omen of 5-6 movie franchise at

1617
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,320
this point.
So yeah, that'll 6.

1618
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,440
Yeah, we've got the four in the
original series, the 2000s

1619
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,840
remake and the final omen.
Or the first omen The first.

1620
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,240
Omen.
Yeah, first, never even.

1621
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,560
Heard of that one?
The first omen came out like 2

1622
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:09,080
years ago.
We.

1623
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,200
We talked about the first.
Omen about it.

1624
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,960
I Yeah.
Wow.

1625
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,200
I won't even edit that out.
That is, I never really liked

1626
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,920
that it made my top 10 for the
year.

1627
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:20,880
Oh, my goodness.
All right.

1628
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:25,600
I've never seen that one.
On that note, we are done.

1629
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,320
Yeah, enjoy.
Have a great week, everybody.

1630
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,520
I am going to go take some cold
medicine.

1631
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:32,840
Sounds good.
Bye everybody.

1632
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,400
Oh.
My goodness.