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Just when we’re thinking it's safe to go back in the waters, there’s another monster episode ready to swallow us whole. Mike, Rachel and Brian are joined by Trace Thurman of the Horror Queers podcast for a deep dive into what might be the second grea...
Just when we’re thinking it's safe to go back in the waters, there’s another monster episode ready to swallow us whole. Mike, Rachel and Brian are joined by Trace Thurman of the Horror Queers podcast for a deep dive into what might be the second greatest shark movie of all time. We talk about the troubled history behind getting this movie off the ground, fist fights between directors and leading men, the slasher elements that rear their head throughout the movie and the shift of focus onto the teens and the “sailboat cruising” culture of Amity. We also discuss the myriad of rip offs that came out in the wake of Jaws’ success and how this one transcends the reputation the Jaws sequels have been anchored with.
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02:39.57
mikechumpchange
Hello everyone and welcome to the pod at the pendulum. It's the show that covers horror movie franchises 1 movie and 1 episode at a time as always I'm your host Mike Snoony and and just when we thought it was safe to go back in the water. We've got another killer shark out here waiting to turn us into chum but. I would not have any better first mates and my co-hosts that are with me today back in the co-host shared this week from the losers club halloweeniess and girls on the boys welcome back Rachel Reeves Rachel how are we.
03:10.67
Rachel Reeves
Oh my gosh I am so good I think the last episode I was on was well like movie episode was hell house to LLC and you know just in case, anybody was curious. This is a much better movie than that. So I'm I'm ecstatic to be here.
03:25.20
mikechumpchange
Are we only having you on for part. 2 wo's now is that something that's going to be what we're going to be doing going forward is that to some sort of kismate that we've done I don't know.
03:35.95
Rachel Reeves
It's probably like so you know part of like some weird undiagnosed thing I like to group things unintentionally and I'm like oh yeah too that sounds good like yeah I'm going to sign up for that 1
03:42.87
mikechumpchange
Um, excellent, excellent also with us today I think it's been a little bit Brian. So yeah I think we've hit a bunch of movies where you're like no this is no, we're just not doing this.
03:49.99
Brian Keiper
It has.
03:57.33
Brian Keiper
Well some ah maybe a little but also it's just been a crazy second half of the year so
04:01.16
mikechumpchange
Well, you know those pipes he is from bloody disgusting. He is the co-host of the movies for life podcast which just had a fantastic discussion of Jaws and aractophobia on an episode. So go out and seek that out after you listen to this. Brian Kipper is back Brian how are are we yeah.
04:24.42
Brian Keiper
Ah, doing pretty good school's out I am ready to talk about swimming with sharks. Yeah, right right? Oh oh showed I am so confused now Oh is is it.
04:27.89
mikechumpchange
Excellent, not the movie swimming with sharks with Frank Whaley and Kevin spacey which is really good. It's a really good movie I recommend it even though Kevin Spacey's in it. Frank Whaley's great in it. We have a guest this week as well. We have someone.
04:41.61
Brian Keiper
I haven't seen it. Yeah.
04:47.63
mikechumpchange
Who I won't spoil his feelings on the movie here but he is one half of the horror queers podcast part of the bloody bloody disgusting network and I think the first time he's been on this show I'm pretty sure.
04:58.73
Trace
I I was looking at this I had to Google my name plus pod in the pendulum so it has been over 2 years because we discussed final destination 5 in 2021 oh I mean yeah, sure wait.
05:07.82
mikechumpchange
Um, okay, that's right, it's hard to keep track at this point that's right back when Lindsey was in the co-host chair as well. My god.
05:17.36
Trace
Yes, I'm also I'm sorry I have to say like hell house lllc 2 like while definitely having some atrocious acting I think it's has ah it's a worse film in the first movie because I love that first movie. But I think it has better scares in the first movie does.
05:27.70
Rachel Reeves
Yeah I you there's some of there for sure. But I think we can all agree this is better. Yeah.
05:27.96
mikechumpchange
Wow.
05:33.49
Trace
Oh yeah, no Jaws too is amazing like I again like without tension five I will always come in like defend like seables because I'm a sequel person like I'm I Love Originals you know I get it and but it's that.
05:40.63
Brian Keiper
Ah.
05:50.42
Trace
There's something where I just like where we have all the character like introductions out of the way and we can just pick up with these characters in like a new setting where it's like oh hey, cool like they've experienced this. Let's go. That's why scream 2 is my favorite scream.
06:00.69
mikechumpchange
Wow! This is just a sampling of the hot takes that our guests today. Why I haven't even named yet. But that you know the voice. That's all right Trace Thurmond welcome back to the show.
06:02.60
Rachel Reeves
Um.
06:06.96
Trace
Um, oh I'm sorry I.
06:10.69
Trace
Thank you so much I'm happy to be here and discussing again. 1 of my favorite sequels of all time jaws too.
06:16.58
mikechumpchange
Excellent, excellent. So let's start with that then before we kind of dive into the background of this movie. Let's talk about our initial impressions like when we first saw the movie has our opinion change it over the years and trace as our guest. Why don't you kind of continue that thought right there.
06:32.51
Trace
Yeah I mean I'll clarify too I I actually do think jaws is a better movie than jaws too. But if I'm going to put one on just to watch I will always put on jaws too. This is the first jaws movie I ever saw I was probably like around 5 years old and I was like.
06:42.76
Rachel Reeves
Nope.
06:52.22
Trace
Visiting my grandmother and my uncle was there and we was like late at night and he puts on like t and t or something and jaws too is playing and it's it's on the skier scene and he's telling me about it and stuff and I at this point I've never heard of jaws before and good lord when Marge gets swallowed whole by this fucking shark you better believe that I was. Traumatized by this I'm to the point where I have like this vivid memory of 10 years later like I'm like you know a teenager in high school and I have a dream that I also get swallowed by a shark and when I'm in the shark's stomach marges corpse is in there but she's still alive and talking to me.
07:24.91
Rachel Reeves
Oh my god.
07:28.22
mikechumpchange
That's amazing. Yeah, what would make you if you don't mind me assy and I can get that where you can understand. We're like all right. This is the better movie I get from like a technical standpoint like this movie is technically better but I want to go.
07:30.30
Trace
Ah, so there's a lot of like trauma with me in this movie. Um, um.
07:31.51
Brian Keiper
Um, wow.
07:45.35
mikechumpchange
To watch this one. What makes this one more of a rewatchable movie for you.
07:50.64
Trace
Honestly I think it's the third act and look the third the third act of Jaws is amazing, but the thing is it's just such like a like straight bro mail energy with these 3 guys in a boat going fishing. Um I like the slasheriness of the third act of Jaws too. And. I know it's kind of old hat to say that by this point because everyone like is like oh yeah, jaws too. The slasher film but I just think it makes it more exciting to watch the shark go after all these kids even if he really only eats like 1 of them 2 of them.
08:13.27
mikechumpchange
Yeah, do excellent Brian how about yourself.
08:21.30
Brian Keiper
Ah, well this is ah one of those things I watched these in reverse order for from what was available at the time. So I watched three first ah we we rented jaws 3 for some reason and when we first got a vcr and it.
08:24.39
mikechumpchange
Ah O God wow.
08:27.50
Rachel Reeves
Oh god.
08:37.74
Brian Keiper
Kind of freaked me out. You know you were talking about the dream of being swallowed by a shark and there's a part you know in that movie where the guy is like stuck in the gullet of the shark. You know? Yeah, it's the only thing I remember about it frankly and um, that that was my nightmare I had that same dream. So I.
08:41.58
Trace
Um.
08:46.23
Trace
Best scene of the movie by the way. Um.
08:53.68
Trace
Yeah.
08:57.26
Brian Keiper
I I understand that fully um, but then instead of going back to seeing one I decided well I guess we'll just watch 2 next I don't know why I don't know why I think my dad had said oh jaws two is great because this guy gets eaten out of a helicopter which just puts something in my brain of this shark. Jumping into the air and eating a helicopter guy out of a helicopter anyway, um, so and so I saw that jaws 2 which um, the corpse flying out of the water I vividly remembered that um and then I finally saw one.
09:17.53
Trace
Ah.
09:29.66
Trace
Yeah.
09:35.69
Brian Keiper
And so um, ah one was my favorite I think I still have the vhs tape that my grandma gave me when I was I want to say I must have been in sixth grade when I got this and it's still in great shape which is amazing because I watched it a whole lot.
09:42.12
Trace
Ooh.
09:46.43
Rachel Reeves
You.
09:55.10
Brian Keiper
Um, but um, two was always like I liked it I thought it was good and I had a good time with it and as I've watched it over the years later is like ok um, there's some things I really really like about this movie and I still find it really entertaining for me. Jaws though is a. Perfect movie I I the more I see it the more I'm convinced of that fact and so um I can't think of a better shark movie but I got to say jas 2 is probably for all its faults probably the 2 or 3 of the best shark movies in my opinion. So yeah, which you know just tells you what Shark Movies qualities are in general but you know but I had I like this? yeah yeah yeah I like I like the shallows I like open water.
10:34.58
mikechumpchange
Um, um, now.
10:42.41
Trace
I mean it's like jaws in deep blue sea like those are the 2 oh shallows? yeah yeah I do like ireve I think it's pretty divisive because it's one of those ones where it's like oh they're filming with like real shark footage. But it's like superimposed. It's.
10:42.58
mikechumpchange
Um, it's right? it's.
10:52.47
Brian Keiper
Yeah, yeah I haven't seen them. Yeah, yeah.
10:52.67
Rachel Reeves
Reef Reef. It's good.
10:54.23
mikechumpchange
So.
11:02.25
mikechumpchange
So Brian you haven't mentioned you said I think jaws is my favorite but I notice you didn't mention jaws the revenge so you do you think after you watch that movie. It might supersede jaws. It's your favorite up the bunch. You're pretty sure of this.
11:02.34
Trace
I like it but I can see why someone wouldn't.
11:03.35
Brian Keiper
Um, right? yeah.
11:11.39
Brian Keiper
Oh no, definitely no I saw I saw jaws the revenge like right when it came out and I actually kind of loved it at the time but I was only you know 9 So.
11:21.16
mikechumpchange
Oh god.
11:26.87
Trace
That's I went back and rewatched all these a couple years ago and I watched Jaws the revenge a lot as a kid and it's the the thing with jaws are revenges. It's boring like it's not is bad but it's also boring which is kind of the unforgivable part of it.
11:30.77
Brian Keiper
Yeah. Yeah, the the only thing I remembered about it when I went back and watched because I watched it you know, maybe year maybe two ago and was the part where.
11:34.36
mikechumpchange
Ah, yeah.
11:44.12
Trace
So.
11:48.70
mikechumpchange
Move.
11:49.50
Trace
Yeah.
11:49.47
Brian Keiper
Was it Sean gets his arms a bitten off which is just like the most ridiculous thing like that freaked to be out as a kid but now I see it. It's like wow that is really crazy and then it follows them which is wild and Michael Caine you know coming out of the sea and all of a sudden his shirt's dry and it's amazing.
11:56.20
Trace
Um.
11:58.55
Trace
Yeah.
12:01.40
Rachel Reeves
Aha.
12:06.86
mikechumpchange
Hits.
12:07.10
Brian Keiper
It's and the roaring Shark I don't know the shark roaring like a dragon I mean there's bold bold choices and jaws the revenge. So yeah.
12:13.20
mikechumpchange
Know it takes some take some swanks out reach Rachel How about yourself.
12:20.35
Rachel Reeves
So I put off watching not just this one all of them for like an embarrassingly long time because I've had some some you know trauma air surrounding jaws as a child. What's funny is because my dad would sing the theme song.
12:37.83
Brian Keiper
Are.
12:38.99
Rachel Reeves
And he would you know like playing around being a cute dad. You know, dad on dad would come after me and it was be like it would he was like jaws is going to get you and I'd never seen jaws but like this tune and him like talking about jaws became like a trigger for me in my whole family. It's you know. I love my family and they but you know families can be jerks sometimes too like teasing you and so whenever they would just like to get under my skin they would like see sing the Jaws theme song and so I never actually saw them till I was.
12:59.41
mikechumpchange
V.
13:13.63
Rachel Reeves
Saw the original jaws when I was like a teenager and then finally just watched all of the sequels ah like last year because I was like I just got to get this out of the way like what am I doing like so fine. Yeah yeah, and it's like I'm not actually scared of sharks. But it's.
13:22.42
mikechumpchange
So you're doing exposure therapy to get over the trauma your dad caused you amazing.
13:32.55
Rachel Reeves
I mean so I say that but I don't know if I go swimming in the ocean I might feel differently. But um, it's just funny how that sort of made me never want to watch them just my family being silly family and doing that forever and but when I finally did see this one. Was actually super impressed like just how well it kind of continued the brody story and that there were so many of the original cast members that returned I wasn't necessarily expecting that and I just kind of expected garbage but I felt like I was like oh this is like got something decent here which was great and. And then I watched jazz three and was like okay well here we go. Um.
14:09.17
Trace
That that's the thing jaws 3 It's like you know jaws at sea world should also be a lot more fun than that movie is.
14:14.42
mikechumpchange
Yeah.
14:14.97
Rachel Reeves
Correct I'm convinced sea world was like okay you can do this but like nobody can die guys because it's sea world.
14:15.48
Brian Keiper
Yeah, yeah, so.
14:21.33
mikechumpchange
Now especially with that cast you get Dennis Quad Jennifer Jason Lee Lu gosset juniorr coming off an Oscar for an officer and a gentleman and this is what you get like that is you're in Joe Alves who had done.
14:21.81
Trace
Yeah.
14:32.36
Rachel Reeves
Now.
14:33.79
Brian Keiper
Right? ah.
14:36.78
Trace
Who.
14:37.75
mikechumpchange
Production design and loved the shooting for the first 2 jaws and this is what directs that and this is what you get and we'll we'll talk about jaws 3 d more next week that should be a really fun discussion as well and what we could have gotten as well with jaws three.
14:45.10
Rachel Reeves
Yep.
14:49.66
Trace
Um, if for whom.
14:52.45
Trace
Yeah.
14:54.65
mikechumpchange
Ah, we'll talk about that and oh 1 other one of the great like could have been oh would have been amazing written by John Hughes but so for me this like similar to trace like i.
14:57.58
Brian Keiper
Ah, jaws 3 people 0 Yeah yeah, Joe Dante and anyway.
14:57.83
Trace
He up.
15:00.90
Rachel Reeves
This is.
15:11.27
mikechumpchange
Watch this movie a ton as a kid like I remember being like probably four or five years old well had to be at least five years old at this point and it being on Tv all the time like it being one of like Abc Network movie of the week it was either jaws or jaws to pretty much every other week and then early cable television would show. Jaws too. All of the time I mentioned this when we talked about jaws like the first 2 movies for the longest time like blurred for me like just all of them seemed I just mix up parts of the 2 I think what stood out was the end of this movie with the shark getting electrocuted.
15:39.71
Rachel Reeves
Um.
15:47.10
Trace
Who.
15:49.23
mikechumpchange
And I remember having like jaws to like trading cards as well growing up having stuff like that and obviously the poster standing out. Um I didn't watch this movie again probably until about.
15:54.35
Rachel Reeves
So.
16:04.70
mikechumpchange
Two years ago we were staying on the cape and you know every year on the fourth of July we throw on jaws and it decided I'm just going to watch all of these movies like I hadn't seen three since I was a kid had never watched Jaws the revenge and I put on jaws to. And was a bit disappointed with that watch of it going. Oh and it's it's hard I think I need like some space in between watching Jaws and jaws too like you need a little bit of a gap. It's hard to watch them back to back. It's kind of the rocky 2 of the series and that it's really good. But it just does a lot of what the first one does not quite as well. So you need a little bit of space between them. The biggest difference between rocky 2 and jaws 2 obviously is the shark doesn't win at the end unlike rocky kind of amazing um researching.
16:51.80
Rachel Reeves
Um, ah.
16:53.60
Brian Keiper
Ah, yeah.
16:56.86
mikechumpchange
This episode and we'll talk about this in a second how difficult this movie was to make there was a lot of behind the scenes drama. The fact that it's as good as it is is kind of a miracle in rewatching it for the show I really enjoyed.
17:07.92
Brian Keiper
Are.
17:08.98
Trace
Um.
17:15.55
mikechumpchange
Especially ah rewatching it last night like it all just kind of clicked like the kids are the first time I Actually really like the teenagers in this even though I probably couldn't name most of them I just gave most of them nicknames which we'll kind of discuss here in a little bit and but let's talk about the background of this. Let's talk about.
17:26.40
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
17:29.86
Brian Keiper
Ah, ah.
17:34.21
mikechumpchange
How this movie got made and some of the difficulties with it I mean it seems like a foregone conclusion like jaws is the biggest movie of all time upon its release. It seems like a foregone conclusion. They're going to follow it up though. This is a time when sequels aren't necessarily the norm. You basically have the planet of the 8 movies you have the godfather too and I'm trying to think what other the french connection to and the exorcist to but those are not very well-regarded terms of movies. God when we get to the heretic and next year at some point that should be a fun discussion. We might have to drink a lot during that.
18:18.50
Trace
That's one of those ones too were like I watched it and I was like this isn't good and like a couple years ago I tried to watch the game like you know what? I appreciate camp now because I'm mature and old. So maybe I'll ah I'll like this movie. No, it's also bad and boring.
18:27.54
Rachel Reeves
But ah.
18:29.47
Brian Keiper
Math.
18:30.97
mikechumpchange
Yeah, and they gave it like a special edition Four K All these like bonus features we think like maybe there's something here and it's like Nope still not there Still not ah, not every movie needs a four K release.
18:34.85
Brian Keiper
Right.
18:38.25
Trace
So.
18:41.66
Rachel Reeves
It's I mean it's a sophomore slump right? like it's hard when something is so good and then you're just over analyzing every decision to the point where it actually just makes it worse.
18:50.44
Trace
Well and that too like the I mean I know we're not talking Ex just too. But like that's like the director of fucking deliverance doing that movie. So like the the pedigree of that movie is all there and you're just watching it like what happened.
18:50.68
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah now.
18:52.67
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
18:57.35
mikechumpchange
Um, lively.
18:58.75
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
18:58.87
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
19:02.51
mikechumpchange
Um, now.
19:05.85
Brian Keiper
I was listening to the movies that made me podcast and William Friedkin was on and he said he saw 40 minutes of the exorcist too and declared it to be the worst movie ever made so um, is but.
19:12.87
Rachel Reeves
All right.
19:14.54
Trace
And I think I think you got to make it to those in credits to say that you you got it because I did sure.
19:20.52
Brian Keiper
The the thing the thing is the thing is though he he if anyone's earn in the right to say it. It's probably William Free and it's like right.
19:25.10
mikechumpchange
Ah I could see friedkin like waving around his gun from the set of the exorcist shooting it off while watching this movie just shooting it at the screen all right? So ah Robert Zani guy sorry David Zani and Robert Brown or I get that.
19:37.51
Brian Keiper
Ah, anyway.
19:42.99
mikechumpchange
Incorrect is it David Zanik or Robert anyway, Zane and brown the producers of the original jaws. They are a approach to produce jaws too and they reluctantly agree. They're kind of like we don't really have any ideas for it. But if we don't do it somebody else will and they did feel a bit protective of it and I'm sure. Also.
19:59.60
Rachel Reeves
Um.
20:02.27
mikechumpchange
Kind of realize there's a pretty good paycheck in them for as well with Jaws too like they're not going to lose any money producing Jaws to spielberg is approached to ah re come back to the directing chair for Jaws too. Would anyone care to read the quotes I've put in here from spielberg from the notes.
20:19.60
Rachel Reeves
Sure Oh God okay.
20:21.46
mikechumpchange
If not, it's okay, Rachel give me your best Spielberg this is from the interview with The New York Times in an interview with the times. What does he say about directing sequels.
20:29.44
Rachel Reeves
Yeah I'm not I'm not interested in sequels in general and the jaws sequel specifically the original idea was an important one but it was once an only shot why not make 4 new movies rather than you know, rehashing an old one.
20:44.23
mikechumpchange
That was an excellent impression of stroke work like he was here with us.
20:48.96
Rachel Reeves
Ah, so.
20:49.85
Trace
Um, also I resent the fact that sequels are not new movies.
20:52.43
Brian Keiper
Um.
20:53.25
mikechumpchange
Well, you know he's mostly true to his word right? I mean aside from the lost world. Yeah, and I I kind of see Indiana Jones less as sequels and more is like serial adventures.
20:53.33
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
21:00.50
Trace
Um, Indiana Jones
21:04.00
Brian Keiper
Indiana Jones in the lost world. Yeah.
21:07.74
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, yes, and no.
21:10.51
mikechumpchange
To where the lost were and I see your face trace I see that face you're making right.
21:14.68
Trace
I mean I could agree with that with maybe temple of doom I don't even think last crusade because I mean temple of dos are prequel but like ah King in a crystal skull and dial destiner directly paying off plot beats from the previous film. So I guess style love deskes that spielberg.
21:24.66
mikechumpchange
Okay, how I guess it would have been hard to make a sequel to Lincoln as well like that would have been a hard one to make a sequel. So yeah, oh that could have been good right.
21:35.54
Brian Keiper
Ah, Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter or Abraham Lincoln Vampire you know that's that would be the only way to bring him back I guess yeah.
21:42.28
Trace
Have.
21:43.93
mikechumpchange
But for the most part considering everything he's made he does kind of try to move on and at the San Francisco film fast. He tells the audience sequels are little more than a cheap carney trick which is wow.
21:56.30
Rachel Reeves
That's like I don't That's I don't agree with that. Yeah, like.
21:57.36
Brian Keiper
You yikes man? Well he was he was at the age of hubris here he was about to make 1941 and ah get take a doubt a peg.
21:58.82
Trace
Fuck you spielberg. Ah.
22:03.87
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, yeah, whoops Now it's and it gets C sega at the time too where sequels are definitely not the norm like they are now like now.
22:04.12
Rachel Reeves
The.
22:04.30
Trace
Sure.
22:18.48
mikechumpchange
Movies don't get made unless there's at least a trilogy in them I mean like if we can't make 3 of them then we're not going to make a single one at all. So I kind of admire that and really what it boils down to like Spielberg at 1 point like when we talk about the first director who's removed.
22:20.24
Rachel Reeves
Now.
22:35.26
mikechumpchange
He actually did take like a week to consider how he would do jaws too. He actually did give it some consideration as a kind of just like well maybe I owe it to like xantic brown and shineinberg because they did help really make my career and he sat down for a week and he just couldn't. Aside from maybe doing like the one of the ideas we'll talk about he couldn't come up with something that he felt worthy of following up the first movie and then the thought of going back out and shooting on the water for months he just couldn't see it just filled him with panic and dread. He's like I'm not going through that again.
23:07.75
Trace
Um, well, that's the thing too like that story which I think is a really cool concept is yeah, you're on the it's basically a boat movie like you're just on the water the whole time. But do you'll remember that we did get.
23:16.80
mikechumpchange
You.
23:21.43
Trace
Ah, movie about that with Nicholas cage a few years ago. Oh we sure did um, no, it's it's.
23:22.31
mikechumpchange
Um, yep, no we I do not.
23:23.24
Brian Keiper
Right? there there is yeah I never saw it but I heard about that one. Yeah, he's like the captain of the ship or something.
23:28.19
mikechumpchange
Does Nick Cage play the shark.
23:33.46
Trace
It's it's it's in 2016 and it's called Uss Indianapolis men of courage and it's got Thomas Jane and jaws the revenges Mario Van Peebles but by all accounts it is atrocious.
23:35.21
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
23:43.70
mikechumpchange
Now there's a made for Tv version of it too. That's out there I can't recall the name of it but it was like a Tv movie of the week as well for that it really boils down to Spielberg not wanting to go back out in the water again like which you can't really blame him for after all of the.
23:49.24
Trace
Um.
24:03.70
mikechumpchange
After all the difficulties making that first movie like that would be a tough that be a tough rodaho. Um I was going to ask and I just lost track of thought so we'll cut that part out when I edit oops. Um.
24:03.62
Trace
Earth.
24:18.96
mikechumpchange
Howard Sackler comes back to write the script. He had written a rough draft of the first jaws uncreded. He pitches the idea of doing the uss indian indiannnapoli story for a second movie. It's rejected for being a bit too dark. Yeah.
24:31.36
Rachel Reeves
Oh it's so dark. That's as I'm because it's like well it's that's true like it happened and you know it's military personnel like oh you know which is sensitive for a lot of people so yet that doesn't surprise me that that got rejected at all.
24:35.95
Trace
I Know it's like at the true story.
24:44.47
mikechumpchange
Now know who would who would want to go out for that right? like Jaws 2 You're expecting a bit more of the same and you get this historical drama like that would be a tough sell.
24:45.53
Trace
Yeah, yeah.
24:53.66
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
24:54.79
Trace
Well, but also wouldn't you get like wouldn't you need to have Robert Shaw back in that film.
25:01.90
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
25:02.15
mikechumpchange
I don't think so because it's thirty years prior it's like 1945 so yes and you would have quint in the film. It would have to be I'm sure you could like kind of bookend it with um.
25:04.24
Trace
Oh right? Well I'm sorry but you would have the Robert Shaw character in the film. Yeah.
25:08.13
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:10.48
Brian Keiper
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:16.87
Trace
The speech.
25:19.24
mikechumpchange
Footage from Jaws and the speech and then I guess you would end it with him getting eaten by the shark and really sent audiences home happy like that could be like a really.
25:22.68
Rachel Reeves
God You know it that would be kind of like interesting though because like the shark would kind of win in the end right? But yeah.
25:26.47
Trace
Hey.
25:33.90
Trace
Well, there's like no, so so so you you open with the speech and then you you have the the Indianapolis movie and then it's like you know? Okay so Shaw quince one of the survivors with however, many other people he's like all right cool I never want to see a shark again and then you just immediately cut to him getting chopped by this shark.
25:42.30
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
25:47.13
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, like what is a positive way to end this movie you like there isn't one.
25:51.77
mikechumpchange
Um, you could.
25:56.24
mikechumpchange
You could maybe like even like have some indication. It's one of the same sharks from the Indianapolis. You know, maybe you liked a little kerchief.
26:02.80
Rachel Reeves
Jesus.
26:04.60
Brian Keiper
Sharks. Yeah exactly. Yes.
26:04.78
Trace
I mean to be fair though these jaws movies just end like the first movie ends with ah Brody and hooper like on a fucking like plank of wood paddling back to shore I still don't believe they actually would have made it back to shore those fuckers would have like died from exposure or drowned.
26:09.72
mikechumpchange
Then.
26:11.91
Rachel Reeves
Right. Um, yeah, far enough.
26:19.30
mikechumpchange
They're not that far out. That's a thing we forget, it's it's when you when you look at how far out they are. They're not like you can see like when you turn the other way you can see the land like that was one of the difficulties in shooting and that they didn't ever want to show.
26:20.26
Trace
I I disagree.
26:26.55
Brian Keiper
The seagulls. Yeah.
26:35.49
mikechumpchange
The land but it wasn't that far out.
26:35.81
Trace
But that means okay, but that means within the world of the film they are meant to be further out than they actually are.
26:41.89
mikechumpchange
Yes, well by the end of the credit he did it more just to give that suggestion of like we're not. You don't want to show like if you can see the land as an audience you're going to be like well they're not that bad. You do exactly what we're saying right now. But if you watch the credits of jaws all the way through.
26:51.99
Trace
E.
26:55.31
Rachel Reeves
Right.
27:01.71
mikechumpchange
It ends with them like onshore like they've actually paddled all the way back during the credits Now it's and and it's um, yeah, yeah.
27:02.94
Brian Keiper
Um, yep, yep.
27:04.95
Trace
I Don't think I've ever actually watched jaws all the way to the end of the credits I.
27:06.65
Rachel Reeves
I haven't either Well there we go.
27:13.12
Brian Keiper
Yeah, you can you can really? You can't really see it until you unless you get the 4 k to be honest, it's pretty dim. Ah they're a little pretty much. Yeah I was saw in the theater in that 3 d.
27:17.16
Trace
Ah know they're like little dots on the beach.
27:20.41
mikechumpchange
And and yeah, the other thing too is ah the other thing too is before phones like people exercised and shit like people like they worked out. So.
27:25.31
Brian Keiper
Rerelease And and and I said and I made my son watch it all the way through with me is like you can see if they're getting up there. They are so yeah.
27:25.51
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
27:25.58
Trace
Um.
27:28.40
Rachel Reeves
Oh that's funny.
27:39.20
mikechumpchange
You know, like Brody for like being a chain smoker like probably has better cardio fit now it definitely is better cardio fitness than me like half of my body is made of sausage. So I mean it's come.
27:50.61
Rachel Reeves
Ah, but.
27:54.41
Brian Keiper
He's pretty lean.
27:55.63
mikechumpchange
So anyway, Sackler ah goes back and rewrites a script based on what Sid Sheinberg says he says audiences want like another adventure with the brodies and a man eating Shark I think. Quote I read from schinberg is somewhere along the lines of like if you have friends over and serve them fish and they love the fish the next time they come over you serve fish again, you don't serve like spaghetti like you want to give them more of what they actually want like that's his idea of sequels. So okay.
28:18.31
Rachel Reeves
Ah, ah, ah.
28:26.83
mikechumpchange
So who do you get to direct jaws to who is going to be brave enough to step into filming a follow up to the highest grossing movie of all time. Well you get Joseph Hancock who is hired to direct after the success of his first 2 features films.
28:39.22
Rachel Reeves
Um, so.
28:42.21
Trace
Wait Mike John Hancock
28:45.62
mikechumpchange
I say it's as I said that I'm like wait a minute. Yeah I'll do that again. Thank you, we get Jon Han okay try that again. So who do we get to film a followup to the highest grossing movie of all time to that point you get John Hancock not gentleman with a large signature and the declaration of independence a lot of historical illusions in this pod so far today he comes on after the success of his first 2 feature films the psychological horror. Let's scare Jessica to death which is amazing.
29:06.56
Trace
Sufficient.
29:07.00
Rachel Reeves
There is.
29:19.86
mikechumpchange
And bang the drum slowly which I've never seen but I've heard great things and I think it's the first like Robert de niro like starring vehicle like he'd appeared in mean streets I know but I think bang the drum slowly is his first real kind of starring showcase.
29:33.73
Trace
And I always thought this was really interesting because I was like why are you going to get this guy who's done like some indie horror film like from 71 to do this. But then I think well Spielberg didn't have like a huge film overall before doing this, you know he did dual and sugarlet express and then it was jaws so I was like I guess it's not that.
29:42.50
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
29:47.78
Brian Keiper
Um, now.
29:48.62
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
29:52.00
Trace
Far out of the realm but you would think for a sequel to the biggest movie ever made they would look for a director with a little bit more under his belt.
29:55.60
mikechumpchange
Yeah, we still do that now like we see these indie horror directors like come up and then they get I know it took a lot longer but look at like Sam Ramy who does like these evil dead movies and dark man and then he's doing spider man.
30:00.62
Trace
Who.
30:07.12
Trace
And.
30:12.55
mikechumpchange
You know and it's kind of like what the guy that did the evil dead is going to do Spiderman and I know he had more under his belt. But I think you get these guys that can make small moves and probably if you're a studio. You probably think you can exert a lot more control.
30:16.56
Trace
Yeah, yeah.
30:27.23
Trace
Yeah.
30:27.55
mikechumpchange
Of these persons as well like it's okay, they're going to be kind of under your thumb a little bit. So.
30:30.23
Rachel Reeves
I Also wonder if it has anything to do with it being a genre picture to just the fact that like maybe they're like oh it did really well. But like yeah you know you know it's not like necessarily looked at the same way as if it were like some other kind of giant film without had a bit more quote Unquote prestige.
30:37.58
Trace
Well.
30:39.68
mikechumpchange
Um.
30:46.20
Trace
I don't even disagree with you. But then that goes hold back into the whole conversation where it's like is jas a horror film which y'all it's a Killer Shark movie like it's a horror film like come on but whatever I digress.
30:47.76
Brian Keiper
Are.
30:53.23
Rachel Reeves
Ah I'm not having like yeah yes yeah.
30:53.77
mikechumpchange
No, how I I said this way back when it chapter 1 came out and there was a lot of discourse from persons not in the horror community well is it actually a horror movie or is it an elevated and I'm like if it's opening scene.
31:09.46
Trace
Ah, ah, but honestly, they were like that's that's why I never like to have those debates and about is it a Jurassic park is it horror for me. Yeah, it's about fucking killer dinosaurs. But.
31:09.47
Rachel Reeves
Um, oh God exactly.
31:12.67
Brian Keiper
It's the supernatural clown.
31:13.57
mikechumpchange
Yeah, yeah, its features.
31:19.14
Rachel Reeves
Yes, yep.
31:23.54
Trace
That's why honestly I've kind of moved into the the genre label like it's a genre film like it covers all encompassing like thriller suspense horror. Whatever they're all in the same sandbox.
31:25.94
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
31:33.44
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
31:33.70
mikechumpchange
Horrors a massive umbrella probably more so than any other genre like you can do horror allows you to sneak in so many other genres into it Unlikely, Yeah, it's yeah, but you know it's.
31:41.29
Trace
You just can't call it horror.
31:45.60
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
31:46.72
mikechumpchange
Any movie that features like a 10 year old boy getting eaten by a shark in front of his mother is a horror movie I don't care if the rest of the movie features just circus clowns throwing pies at 1 another and getting hit with footballs in the balls. You know that's still a horror movie.
31:56.38
Rachel Reeves
So weird movie.
31:57.38
Trace
Well I think that's why though it's like because Jaws has such. It is a character driven film and so I think that's what throws people off even with Jaws too I think Jaws too has it not as much character work but like it's the there and I think especially at the time critics. You know.
32:09.45
Rachel Reeves
Now.
32:14.38
Trace
They're like oh horror films are like lowbrow like it's just about the killing So this can't be a horror film because it cares about its characters.
32:15.77
Rachel Reeves
Yes, yeah.
32:19.41
mikechumpchange
Yeah agree I totally agree with all of that and you see that in these early horror movies. So you see that when when horror started to become something that wasn't just going to get dumped into drive-in theaters or exploitation theaters like you see like. John Carpenter with Halloween like he sets up half of the movie with his characters with following Jamie Lee Curtis and pj souls and Nancy Loomis around like you want to like these characters before horrible things happen to them even Texas chainsaw massacre you spend like a.
32:44.66
Trace
Earth.
32:54.99
mikechumpchange
Good amount of time with all of those kids in the van. So you feel like you really know all of them before all of the mayhem starts and they're disposed of and I think those are to me always the best horror movies.
33:05.40
Trace
Well and that's actually really interesting that you bring up Texas chainsaw because I even remember both when I first saw jaws and when I first saw Texas chainsaw I actually thought they were really boring because again I'm like oh Texas chainsaw mask you like it's about a bunch of people getting killed by chainsaws and. It takes a while for that to start happening and same with jaws like there are really brutal kills in jaws but they're spaced out between this two plus hour runtime
33:25.45
mikechumpchange
Yeah, agree and it's and when I'm younger I think I had the first same reaction to Texas chainsaw master because I remember my best friend's dad saying oh I went on a date with that with my you know his now wife.
33:32.87
Trace
Oh.
33:42.11
mikechumpchange
Like it was one of their first dates and he said he ran out of the theater and threw up and so I was so excited when I finally turned 18 to watch Texas chainsaw and I remember watching it with friends being like this is it like are you sure and now to me. It's the perfect horror movie and probably the scariest movie.
33:46.22
Trace
I mean.
33:47.89
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
33:53.67
Trace
Yeah, so.
34:00.25
mikechumpchange
Of all time. It's amazing. How like our taste shift as we kind of get older a little bit so um, okay so what does Hancock want to do with this so we saw hancock and sackler want to really explore the aftermath of jaws. What would it be like if your town became sharktown.
34:02.93
Trace
Yeah.
34:05.80
Brian Keiper
Um.
34:20.70
mikechumpchange
And then the once thriving community of amity. It becomes a ghost town so in the original draft of this movie. All the stores are shuttered up like ah, most of the businesses have gone out of business. There's beachfront property standing completely empty with 4 sale signs on them. The town is basically in ruin. And quint's son was going to turn up in the original script and claim he wants the $10000 reward for killing the shark in his father's place. He's like hey my dad killed the shark or helped kill it. Ah I am due that money as his heir hancock envisioned as as The guy who filmed let's scare jessica to death as you think he would want to do. It's a much darker It's a much more psychological horror movie if I remember correct. There are scenes in it where ah brody is envisioning sharks everywhere like he just basically is always seeing sharks. Every time he sees anybody of water kind of.
35:18.40
Rachel Reeves
It's like the land shark the SAndL skit like somebody's at the door. Yeah Candy Graham like like.
35:19.57
Trace
I I I was gonna say it's like ju dressssic park 3 when the raptor's like Allan and we have the shark like right I will say though um as much as I love the current iteration of jaws to I I would prefer.
35:19.76
Brian Keiper
The right.
35:25.89
mikechumpchange
Yeah, ah oh my God would be great. Good.
35:36.62
Trace
To have that version of the movie the original darker like ghost town version because I think it's more interesting.
35:38.91
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, it is I would agree I would absolutely agree with that. Um, it is a lot more violent like is this one although the body count is definitely higher in Jaws 2 than jaws one I think the original script it's double.
35:40.52
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
35:42.15
Brian Keiper
Yeah I think so too.
35:54.30
Trace
M.
35:55.90
mikechumpchange
Ah, there's a character named Bob and they named him that as a joke because he's literally Bitten in half and his upper torso is like bobbing in the water.
36:00.17
Rachel Reeves
Oh gosh that's funny.
36:04.43
Trace
Well so Bob Bob but I I'm sorry I may be jumping ahead a little bit but the girl that plays jackiee everyone fucking hates her because she screams a lot and there's a shot at the end of the movie where you know like you know what? it's been all the kids are kind of swimming towards cable junction and it just cuts to Jackie and she's like ah.
36:09.13
mikechumpchange
Um, um, yes.
36:21.86
Trace
The reason for that is because Bob is a character who does die he dies and they removed his death from the film. So she's actually reacting to seeing Bob die but in the final version of the film. We're like what the fuck is she screaming at nothing's happening.
36:28.84
mikechumpchange
Okay, yeah, that doesn't do Jacke's because Jackie is one of the more annoying characters in this movie. It's I could have done with the boat. We'll get. We'll get to that we'll we'll get to that I could have done with.
36:29.60
Rachel Reeves
Um, who she's just freaking. Okay.
36:33.61
Brian Keiper
Right.
36:39.80
Trace
I will defend jackie.
36:46.61
mikechumpchange
5 minutes less and I think if that scene is in there then you can understand her freaking out a bit more I thought Jackie was I'm sorry I thought Bob was replaced by Eddie so I did not know that about there being another death.
36:51.86
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
36:58.93
Trace
It's because Eddie and Bob because is Eddie the character who's um, played by Christine boy um, oh the oh.
37:03.51
Rachel Reeves
No I think Eddie's like the yeah.
37:05.70
Brian Keiper
No Keith cordon.
37:05.44
mikechumpchange
Um, no, it's not that's not Howard Gordon now Keith Gordon
37:08.31
Trace
Sorry e Eddie is Tenas boyfriend. No no, no so this is like there's a guy with a hat and if you google Bob Death Jaws too because the only thing that exists from this deleted scene is a still of Bob like on his boat like as it's sinking and the shark's like charging towards him but that's the only thing you can find of the scene.
37:20.26
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
37:21.81
mikechumpchange
Excellent. Okay I will definitely look for that afterwards you're at Keith Gordon Keith Gordon is one half of the dungeons and dragged his kid. That's how I name them in my scripts. So and he's great for the little that he's in here in this. Um.
37:27.84
Trace
Yes.
37:33.15
Brian Keiper
I love Keith Gordon I just rewatched Christine lately not that long ago and man there.
37:36.10
Trace
Um, yeah.
37:37.37
mikechumpchange
Yeah, he's hard with yeah I think I'm due for a watch. Yeah what oh Ben is there a reason why you Keith Goorder was getting typecast in these roles I don't know.
37:41.54
Rachel Reeves
He's a little bit of an incel in this but that's ah like that. Yes.
37:42.47
Trace
Um, well he's also an incel in Christine.
37:52.99
Rachel Reeves
It's I think it's you know we're looking at these things differently now.
37:53.76
Trace
It's just the way he looks.
37:55.17
mikechumpchange
Yeah, so Hancock begins filming June Nineteen seventy seven on Martha's vineyard this time around like the vineyard's mostly going to be used for exteriors and setup shots. Where the bulk of the filming is actually going to take place around Pensacola Florida but they do want to do some of the exteriors on the vineyard to kind of give it that match matching look for jaws one which helps I think I think there one of the things I'll say is you can tell when this movie shifts between. Massachusetts and Florida like I'm from here. So it's really obvious to me. But I think you can tell the hotel scene in particular, you're like that doesn't look like any of the flora that you would ever see in new england like it's way too tropical and okay.
38:33.51
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
38:40.55
Brian Keiper
Right.
38:41.98
Rachel Reeves
Oh I didn't I didn't catch that but I am I was like I'm not from that area so well.
38:43.26
Trace
Yeah I I can't say I have ever paid attention to the flora in that my surrounding areas.
38:49.50
mikechumpchange
Okay, well you know like in Halloween when you see palm trees you're like wait a minute. There are no palm trees in Illinois right? So that kind of thing.
38:52.32
Rachel Reeves
But.
38:58.88
Rachel Reeves
Yeah I guess that makes sense.
39:02.20
Brian Keiper
I do that when I saw Megan when I saw um insidious I was like this was not filmed in Seattle I'm sorry they there are no palm trees up here and they shot those in Australia. So yeah.
39:07.13
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, yeah I was gonna say I think it's just what you're familiar with. Yeah.
39:09.49
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah now. Okay, so anyway, um, unfortunately after about a month of filming and about eighteen months spent on pre-production. Hancock is called into a meaning with Zanna and brown and he's promptly fired. Ah he and his wife as wife screenwriter Dorothy Tristan immediately had to roam to vacation and production shuts down completely for over a month. So it was hard to pin down like a singular reason for a hancock's firing. But there's a number of stories out there like it really depends on what you read the number 1 thing that came up a few times was ah Dorothy Tristan basically Hancock tells her like why don't you rewrite? Sackler's script like. Give this ah another passover but he doesn't consult sackler before he does that and he doesn't consult universal studios before that. So sackler is insulted like wait. Why are you reading writing my script without like a prompt from the studio telling you to do so. And that was considered a massive insult universala wasn't thrilled either. Um, less than a month into shooting schedule hit the schedule had already fallen way behind um in the press hancock is going to like rightly blame the mechanical shark.
40:17.68
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
40:30.36
mikechumpchange
Saying that just like in the first film. It's going to maybe work one out of every 3 shots and everyone's time is wasted and the first jaws went way over budget and way over time as well. The difference being Spielberg shot all of the stuff on land first. And he maybe lost 2 or three days altogether it wasn't until they went onto the water that shooting fell far behind so universal they're a month in the shooting and they're already way way behind and they're kind of freaking out at this point like if they're already this far behind what's going to happen. Down the road so they're like we can't let this balloon out of control. Um, there's talk that hancock this being his first really like spectacle movie with a large cast a large budget and the heavy expectations of following up the number 1 movie of all time like he was showing strain on set. From all the pressure this one I really liked. Um sheinberg was pushing hancock to have Lorraine Gary have a much larger role in the climax of the movie he wanted his wife like out there in the ocean with brody more and he wanted her more involved in the rescue of the kids.
41:31.43
Trace
Ah.
41:46.58
mikechumpchange
Xnne gets wind into that and there's a power struggle between sheinberg and Xanek like they are basically arguing over the profits of jaws like they're going back and forth over who gets what cut of the profit. So some things never change.
41:57.97
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
42:00.77
mikechumpchange
And Zen it gets wind of this. He's like he hits the roof. He's like there's no fucking way this is going to happen.
42:04.19
Trace
Okay, so here's the thing though I actually that's a big mistake because one of my favorite parts of Jaws two actually is the the marital relationship between Brodie and his wife like there's a part in the film where she's just like one to fool around and I'm like that's that's such like a casual I love that because that is how a lot of couples like start having sex.
42:11.56
mikechumpchange
Who.
42:11.75
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
42:19.46
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, um, yeah.
42:24.11
Trace
And it always rubs me the wrong way when she just goes back with Tina I'm like bitch. This isn't your daughter like your kid is out there.
42:28.76
mikechumpchange
Um, now.
42:29.20
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, you don't yeah the her little kid is out. It also bothers me that she's wearing a skirt the whole time and I feel like that's incredibly on like not practical, but that's a wardrobe issue. Yeah.
42:33.39
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, she go.
42:39.30
Trace
Well, that's 70 sexism.
42:41.74
mikechumpchange
And yeah, she doesn't know that Sean's out there yet though right? that's true. That's true yeah that's true that's a thing that we only have one kid so I don't know this for sure. But I think about.
42:45.80
Trace
Well, she at least knows that Mike is out there.
42:50.52
Rachel Reeves
Aha.
42:57.42
mikechumpchange
You have multiple kids like if one of them. You know you lose 1 You got to back up at least you're fine. You know.
43:01.46
Rachel Reeves
But I think like I'm I just have to okay so Brody goes out there and like he sees that Mike's hurt and he's like you guys go back and go get help right? and then he was going to go save the rest of their friends. He should have put his younger son in the boat with the other son.
43:01.52
Trace
Ah, you're fine.
43:17.30
Trace
The yes what the fuck I.
43:21.16
Rachel Reeves
Why would you leave this like 8 year old kid if they're going back put the little kid in the boat or he wasn't there. Well then though I know t ok then I play him the teens they should have known better. But yeah.
43:23.36
mikechumpchange
No, he he wasn't He wasn't with him then though, no yes.
43:29.25
Trace
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no because they're all in the group because it's after Mike like you know gets this concussion. Oh my god we got to get Mike back to shore and it's like okay, there's enough room on that boat for this little eight year old I'm sorry. But but nevertheless though I think.
43:38.58
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, get him out of here remove him from the equation.
43:40.21
mikechumpchange
Right? I think that the word the fear was because they're all kind of like together in that clump except for the boat that was getting my a I think they're scared like if we row over to him The Shark's going to pop up and B um. What if we just sail into him I agree like they should have gotten the little kid on the boat.
43:58.23
Trace
No okay I mean again like I love this movie but no it is we need Sean on the water to make the stakes higher that that's that's all this is oh and.
44:05.58
Rachel Reeves
Ah I was yeah was gonna say that that girl who died would probably appreciate it if Sean had gone away.
44:05.75
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah I.
44:12.93
Trace
I'm sorry like I'm 34 now or if I was fucking seventeen years old I would not be risking my lie to save some 8 year old that I don't fucking know.
44:19.86
mikechumpchange
Right? I think I when I when I was when I was rewatching this with my wife I was like what I would do is like you Sean is bait like throw Sean in the water and then as you' eat swim. Yeah.
44:22.30
Rachel Reeves
Um, what.
44:30.51
Rachel Reeves
Brutal Classic Mike take.
44:34.91
Brian Keiper
Yeah, that is.
44:36.68
mikechumpchange
She agreed I mean my wife is like yeah that's a pretty smart move. Um, yes, yeah, dad You know what? he's like yeah what a little punk.
44:38.15
Trace
Also that kid was a shithead he was gonna tell on Mike Mike for like leaving but nevertheless but going back to the loring garville I just I would have liked to have seen the dynamic again seeing Brody and his wife spend more time together and dealing with this because.
44:51.98
mikechumpchange
Yeah, yeah, she has the worst sendoff in the first movie like when you watch her run and her arms are kind of like flapping out like it's like that's not a good send up. let's let's yeah
44:56.90
Trace
Mrs. Brody missed all that shit in the first movie.
44:57.90
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
45:07.33
Trace
She's like Cindy Campbell I'm not crazy, but.
45:10.47
mikechumpchange
Let's let's save a little bit of the Martin and Ellen talk for the meet because I do want to talk I think that is one of the highlights of the of the movie I do want to talk more about that. But I agree with a lot of what you're saying um I found an interview with.
45:14.90
Trace
I ah.
45:26.70
mikechumpchange
Ah, hancock from at the site lukeford dot net like way back in 2002 he talks about that tension between Schinberg and zannek and getting caught up in it. He's like basically says I was fired in jaws two I was Dick Zanek's choice for it. After he and Sidney Schinberg still had scores to settle on the overages profits sharing on the first Jaws Schinberg had my wife and I over to dinner. She was writing the screenplay schinberg made a strong case that his wife Lorraine Gary who played Roy Scheider's wife in the first jaws. Should go out in a boat in the second jaw us to rescue the kids we went back and relay this to xna he said over my dead body and then when he goes on. He's like well I have to pick a side here. He's like well xnne is just some lawyer producer like he's not that important and schider is one of the heads a universal so I'm gonna go with what he says he's like.
46:18.46
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
46:18.50
mikechumpchange
I chose I chose poorly he says once he started to shoot more stuff with Lorraine Gary like xanic ices him out at that point like wouldn't even talk to him. Um, the other thing that's argued is like the footage like hancock actually shoots looks like hot garbage.
46:31.25
Rachel Reeves
Um.
46:36.69
mikechumpchange
Like it's like Verna feels says it's out of focus. You can't see their heads like he's shooting an art film like what's going on here. Ah Gennowarrk who will direct this movie who will talk about and he just say yep I poured through all the footage to see like what can we actually use from this because it it behooves him. To be able to use some of it to make it easier. He's like we could use about 8 seconds of footage of the movie and I wasn't quite sure what 8 seconds it was I think it's the shark going into the bay.
47:00.96
Rachel Reeves
That's funny I I don't know there's a scene where um, Brody's like walking up the steps into I don't know if it's like the station or something but the like.
47:03.55
Trace
Yeah, the the.
47:12.20
mikechumpchange
Um, ah.
47:17.00
Rachel Reeves
Up above the text is like very clearly out of focus so that I wonder it's like well I and I don't think that was a choice I think that shot is just out of focus. But yeah.
47:19.12
mikechumpchange
Okay, yeah.
47:28.70
Trace
Um, playing the cinematographer then not the director.
47:28.86
mikechumpchange
Yeah, yeah, but he's ultimately the guy and he's ultimately the guy that is just responsible for everything and he's making these choices ah Joe Alves and Editor Verna fields like they pitched to co-direct the movie once Hancock is fired.
47:37.34
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
47:46.40
mikechumpchange
But they're turned down by the directors Guild Association I think because a there was a rule like you can't replace a director that's part of the dga If. You're not a member of the dga. Um, and I think that verna fields obviously was not a member of the Dg like she was an editor by trade so they are actually their request is turned down.
48:04.34
Brian Keiper
Yeah I think there were also rules for a long time that you couldn't have co-directors on a movie. That's why the Cohen Brothers always listed themselves as directed by Joel and produced by Ethan or whatever it was so for a long time.
48:09.17
Trace
E.
48:10.40
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, sure them down.
48:15.97
Trace
And.
48:17.62
Rachel Reeves
I Feel like even now there's something like that I feel like radio silence is like talked about there. There's like a limit to like how many directors you can have so like some people are listed as producers but it's like they were really directors and yeah, yeah.
48:26.76
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah yeah yeah I know that Tristan she lobbies and she actually like goes to arbitration.
48:30.54
Trace
That's like a dga issue then I guess right? okay.
48:34.32
Brian Keiper
Um.
48:40.92
mikechumpchange
With the writer's guild saying look I deserve a writer's credit on this because she's not credited. It's only sackler and Carl Gottlieb and she's rejected like she's like no like you didn't do enough work in this and you weren't commissioned to do it. Your ideas were really used. So. She gets like no credit and therefore no residuals from this movie either. Um, in terms of casting. We'll talk about who they actually went with like for direct directing in a moment but as they're casting this movie Robert Shaw is out for obvious reasons.
48:58.92
Rachel Reeves
Um, ah.
49:14.50
mikechumpchange
They don't do the thing where they're like oh he has a twin brother splint who is going to be on. It was also a sharker. Um, when they're negotiating contracts with the first movie. No one's thinking about a sequel then no one thinks to lock up Richard Dreyfus for a future installment.
49:19.43
Rachel Reeves
Splint.
49:22.80
Brian Keiper
Ah.
49:31.23
mikechumpchange
So he goes off and makes close encounters with Spielberg instead of coming back for jaws too. Roy Schneider is the odd man out for this one so he is under contract with universal for 3 movies after jaws first up he does sorcerer it's William Friedkin's followup to the exorcist. And it should be a massive hit. It is not. It gets swallowed up by star wars and the opening act of the movie confuses audiences like they thought they were in a foreign film because the first act of the movie is in like multiple languages and they actually when sorcer came out in theaters like.
50:07.18
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
50:09.10
mikechumpchange
Studios actually wound up sending like poster cards to theaters like telling audiences the first twenty minutes of this movie. They you're going to hear multiple languages. It's okay, you're in the right movie. Um, yeah, it's on my.
50:21.61
Rachel Reeves
That's so funny I Love that movie.
50:22.41
Brian Keiper
That movie's amazing masterpiece. Yeah, it is well.
50:26.75
mikechumpchange
Have to watch this summer list. So now Kim sch. He also schneider. Also yeah, thank you I get names wrong all the time. Okay schider also um.
50:27.47
Rachel Reeves
I think like Stephen King has said that's his favorite movie.
50:34.48
Trace
Wait My my schider.
50:45.55
Trace
Oh it's okay, my my co-host always calls him schneider too and I'm like Joe stop.
50:45.56
mikechumpchange
Just get names wrong a lot I can't help it schider. Yeah, it's because soon as I say schneider I think Rob Schneider I'm like wait a minute. They're not related I'm insulting right? yes.
50:47.73
Rachel Reeves
Um I don't We're like that. So.
50:57.23
Trace
Rob Schneider is a stapler.
51:01.79
mikechumpchange
God can you imagine Rob Schneider in jaws and how we would never. We wouldn't be talking about it anyway. Schider like spends a lot of his own money promoting his performance in the sorcer sorcer thinking. It's going to win him awards and it doesn't he quits his second movie the deer hunter after his character's role has changed.
51:05.60
Brian Keiper
Ah, she's.
51:19.93
Rachel Reeves
Um.
51:21.36
mikechumpchange
Ah, because he originally is going to be the person who is staying back in Vietnam and that ends up being christopher wakins character in walk and I believe winsy academy award for that so scheider like walks off the movie so he's still in on the hook with the universal for 2 movies and he's.
51:30.88
Rachel Reeves
Brutal.
51:32.30
Brian Keiper
Yes, he does.
51:40.93
mikechumpchange
Doesn't seem like the best guy to work with. He seems pretty persnickety and universal knows they have him now so they just start sending him offers for movies like they know he'll never take like just really awful movies. He'll turn down sight ah sight unseen. And they sweeten the deal for him by saying like if you come back for jaws two we'll count those as 2 movies and we'll let you out of your contract. So at that point he's like all right I've got to do it. But there's footage of the schider doing like press for jaws too and they're like well how is jaws to film is like a lot of fun. How is jaws too like no fun at all like just right up front. He does not want to be there.
52:24.24
Trace
That's really interesting because I mean because the the production of Jaws One is notoriously like horrible because the shark keeps breaking so you always hear spielbergg talk about it but when it comes to yeah because yeah, we all we've heard this about scheider and jaws too and it's kind of a thing where I'm like.
52:27.10
mikechumpchange
Who.
52:39.57
Trace
I'm surprised to hear him say that Jaws Won was so much fun to film because I feel like that's a lie.
52:42.77
mikechumpchange
Um I think it's less about the movie and more about all the other stuff quitting movies and roles and being maybe a little bit. Yeah.
52:45.81
Rachel Reeves
Um, I else. Oh.
52:50.48
Trace
Right? Well because even Swark said you know like when they started filming yeah schidder was kind of a dick to work with. But once he got like into it. He was fine.
52:56.34
mikechumpchange
Yeah, they got in a fight. Yeah yeah, Rachel you were jumping in there I apologize.
53:02.38
Rachel Reeves
Oh I was just like everything that's happening behind the scenes I feel like probably tainted it so much more than other but I will say considering how openly he has been like negative towards this film I thought his performance didn't really show that like I.
53:07.48
mikechumpchange
Yeah, well.
53:08.20
Trace
Um, yeah.
53:18.95
Trace
Um, yeah, it's good. It's good. Um, he's a professional.
53:19.60
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, no, no, no, the only I I have one point in this prefer. We'll talk about when we do like the the meat of the movie but he does not phone it in him and swark like they get in a fistfight.
53:21.51
Rachel Reeves
I Don't feel like he like phoned it in and was just like fuck. You guys like I do feel like he actually put out a pretty good performance. Yeah.
53:22.32
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah me.
53:31.24
Trace
And so.
53:37.20
mikechumpchange
Onset like they get to the point where they come to blows and I think like fields actually had to get between the 2 of them and she like bodied schyder like just sat on them and like would not let them up. Ah, and I think like Xna had to hold Swarrk back and. I think they made up after that and schider says well, it's not really about you. It's really about um everything else going on at this point and like he was like kind of a jerk to Lorraine Gary's like I don't want to be affectionate with her like no, why do I have to do this like. Really being a dick to everybody and he just spends the whole set like working on his tan like just getting that real because he's got to Yeah yeah, um, so.
54:09.88
Rachel Reeves
Um, oh.
54:17.45
Rachel Reeves
That real leathery look. He looks real leathery. Ah.
54:17.94
Brian Keiper
He does. Yeah.
54:24.28
mikechumpchange
How do I pronounce this name I'm going to as I say Jeanna Swarrk but I think I'm way off there so we'll go with it. He's he's brought in a direct Carl Gottlieb is brought back to rewrite the script.
54:27.80
Trace
No I think you're I have definitely like Youtube like how to pronounce is you not workk. Yeah.
54:34.35
Brian Keiper
Fair.
54:42.47
mikechumpchange
Ah, Swarrk also got his start in Tv with shows like night gallery. Ah his feature film bug was released the same day as jaws one that was his feature film debut so it got kind of swallowed up in the wake of jaws of success godly like he lightens a tone of the movie. He puts a much greater emphasis on the kids.
54:51.43
Rachel Reeves
Um.
55:02.14
mikechumpchange
Ah, he talks about being hounded when he's writing jaws too like he's locked in a hotel room in Florida all the casts and crew were in the same hotel and every time you would step out of his room. Hey how's a script coming house a script company. He'd go to the bar. The bartenders like how's jaws too coming along. He's like this sucks. He's like I got to get away from this so you would just. Barricade himself in his room to write um like jaws. It is a very difficult shoot us walk is definitely not a less as more guy he wants to show the shark is as much as humanly possible and to be fair. It would be pretty difficult to do what Spielberg did and hide the shark from audiences right? like you kind of have to show it.
55:41.79
Trace
Know yeah, it's it's kind of a thing for me where it's like I don't feel like with the Texas chains on esca remake how it looks. It's it's you know it looks more sleek and clean. But even though it's the same cinematoography as the original film and people are like well why didn't you do it the same way and he's like.
55:51.59
mikechumpchange
Who.
55:57.49
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
55:58.24
Trace
Already shot this one way. Why the fuck would I want to shoot the same movie the same way again and that's how I feel about this like yeah, is it less effective to show this shark as much absolutely. But if he had copied spielberg then we'd all just be saying he's copying Spielberg.
55:58.44
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
56:01.13
Brian Keiper
Right.
56:11.73
Rachel Reeves
I also think it would have been honestly I feel like it would have been boring. It's just like I don't know like we're we're here for the shark now 100% and I feel like they tease it just enough. But I'm I'm happy when I see the shark.
56:12.92
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, agree. Yeah with who.
56:17.13
Trace
Um, yeah, um.
56:26.89
mikechumpchange
Now.
56:27.20
Trace
I almost think that when the shark first makes its appearance in that water skier scene. That's honestly a big surprise. The first time you see it. You're like oh shit like we're just going right into this.
56:34.32
Rachel Reeves
Right? yeah.
56:36.61
mikechumpchange
Yup, yeah I it just would have been. You can't repeat like the suspense like unless you do a different animal and that's a huge surprise. It's like not actually a shark but you can't do that every time.
56:37.70
Brian Keiper
Right.
56:48.55
Trace
Well and that but that's also where I mean again look as much as I say I would love to see the original version of this movie that was darker and more horror like leaning the fact that it but that jaws too does become more of an actionadventure film I think it works than that you have that you're showing the shark so much because it's.
57:02.83
mikechumpchange
Um, now.
57:06.40
Trace
Doesn't lighten the tone but it makes them your your goal isn't really suspense in this film. It's thrilling.
57:08.37
Rachel Reeves
Right.
57:08.38
mikechumpchange
Yeah, you get excited every time you see the shark right? I mean it's yeah I agree. Yeah.
57:12.92
Brian Keiper
Yeah, it's a cool looking shark too. It's It's so yeah, the the Burn Scar and everything is yeah.
57:16.98
Rachel Reeves
Um I Love the design of the shark. Yeah.
57:19.87
mikechumpchange
I was going to ask where are we on the burns for this.
57:23.29
Trace
Well, but that's the thing though is I mean we can talk about the slasheriness more as we get into the third act. But like again, it's it's not an actual slasher film. Obviously it's a shark movie but immediately we're like oh we're giving the shark like a facial feature or a mask and for a movie that opens what three or four months
57:39.37
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
57:40.56
mikechumpchange
Move.
57:41.26
Trace
Before Halloween comes out and kind of sets the stage for the slasher genre. It's it's oddly prescient in that way.
57:45.70
mikechumpchange
Yeah, yeah.
57:45.42
Rachel Reeves
Yes, well in the teens and like there's so many elements of this where it's like oh I would have sworn this came out like after Friday the thirteenth like and it was I 100 yeah I thought
57:53.35
Trace
A hundred percent
57:56.36
mikechumpchange
Um, oh yeah, even.
57:59.10
Rachel Reeves
Like when looking stuff up, It's like oh they had to have been playing off of that trend and it's like oh wait this came out before all of those like so smart.
58:02.42
Trace
Before all of it like.
58:02.55
mikechumpchange
Right? Even even down to like 1 of the characters who's like the horny one is the one that gets eaten like before you know Halloween does that like that is so you would think that this would come out in the wake of Halloween but it.
58:10.82
Trace
Yep.
58:20.57
mikechumpchange
Predates it by a solid three or four months
58:21.23
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
58:23.30
Trace
I will say to I mean like even like with the the eddy death like you would think because yeah, they're being punished for being slutty teenagers. Ah you would think that Tina would be the one to die. But I like that they killed the boy instead. Yeah.
58:30.54
Rachel Reeves
Right? yeah.
58:33.50
mikechumpchange
Umm yeah I ah would definitely talk more about those elements just shortly here. Um filming takes place right? off the coast of Florida on Navari Beach from August First until December Twenty second in order to finish this movie swarcat to film twenty two days straight to get everybody home for Christmas we're going to go seven days a week for the last three weeks he did his best to keep the set pretty light like every Saturday they would throw parties at the hotel. Because he's like look we need to let our everybody cut loose like he knew how hard it was to like honestly seemed like he did a really good job keeping the cast loose especially with all those teenagers. Um the teens in this movie that they all talk about and like 1 of the teens is a former Massachusetts.
59:10.63
Trace
Um.
59:26.23
mikechumpchange
Governor and former democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis like it's his son John Dukakis is one of them. Um, he just talked to everyone just got high and fucked in like basically onset all the time Ricky Schroeder was originally tapped to play Sean.
59:29.41
Trace
This.
59:32.12
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
59:43.26
mikechumpchange
He is fired after ah swarc takes over. He's replaced with Mark Gilpin who plays Sean years Later Gilpin's hired as a recurring character on silver spoons the sitcom that Schroeder. Is stars in and ah, allegedly Schroeder's mom is so still so pissed off at Gilpin taking over for her son that she has him fired on silver spoons like right away now he's okay.
01:00:09.59
Trace
That's kind of I mean but luckily Schroeder has the champ coming out like the year after this so he's fine.
01:00:15.71
mikechumpchange
He did okay for himself in the end. Um yeah I talked about scheider like not wanting to be there here's I think what is oh, it's also a really complicated shots like the helicopter that is a very complicated.
01:00:28.39
Brian Keiper
The.
01:00:31.13
mikechumpchange
Thing to shoot a cable junction which is one of the sets they built as like a floating set that's anchored down in the ocean it loses its moorings at one point and just starts floating off towards cuba so they have to like rescue the set. Um.
01:00:42.70
Trace
Oops.
01:00:47.48
mikechumpchange
Want to talk about John Williams he returns for the score in this and I don't think it can be overstated how important like him coming back is to help this film succeed.
01:00:58.47
Trace
I love this score like John Williams did not have to go as hard as he did like it's still very familiar but he adds enough new flourishes that I mean like there's um.
01:01:00.87
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:01:07.56
Trace
My favorite music cue in the film is when Mike um knocks his head and falls in the water and they're trying to pick him up and the sharks. You know the cameras and the sharks back and you have these trumpets and it's like do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do ah love it.
01:01:11.81
mikechumpchange
Leave.
01:01:18.46
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, no, it's so good and but I love that he yeah introduces new elements like they didn't pull a thing where it's like like with death wish where it's like oh you just literally reuse to the exact same cues and just like stuck them in there and didn't even properly hire him to come back or anything but that's another thing.
01:01:19.22
mikechumpchange
It's great.
01:01:29.15
mikechumpchange
Move.
01:01:30.50
Trace
Reuse.
01:01:30.64
Brian Keiper
Right.
01:01:35.11
mikechumpchange
Yeah, but.
01:01:36.67
Brian Keiper
With yeah John Williams at his best I mean he makes any movie he writes for better I mean he makes space camp better. You know I mean it's there. So I mean yeah, this is one this is you know sort of at the height of his abilities and.
01:01:37.66
Rachel Reeves
But.
01:01:41.77
Trace
Yeah.
01:01:45.98
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah, that's true.
01:01:54.14
Trace
Yeah, it feels like an evolution of the first score rather than a rehash which I really really appreciate.
01:01:56.70
Brian Keiper
Um, so it really does make a huge difference it does. Yeah.
01:01:57.78
Rachel Reeves
I think. And I think he understood that this one was maybe a little bit more playful because there's some moments in it where it's like oh this is just like kind of fun, silly likes almost like campy music or like when they're when they're showing all like the tourists at the beach like it's really kind of just.
01:02:09.62
Brian Keiper
Um.
01:02:12.98
Trace
Um.
01:02:21.56
Rachel Reeves
It's just I don't know it's It's fun and it's like oh he understood that like this is a little bit different than the first one and I'm going to like I don't know expand upon those moments and wasn't afraid to do that which was nice.
01:02:31.45
Trace
I'm so interestingly enough the first film the score for the first film is kind of what trained me as a movie viewer as a child to learn when score signifies. What's going to happen because there's parts in the first movie you know I'm watching the first movie's a kid I'm fucking terrified.
01:02:35.76
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
01:02:42.90
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:02:44.16
Trace
But when they first like the 3 men go out the boat. It's like this really adventure like almost pirate type score and I remember as a kid being like oh this means that nothing bad's going to happen right now. So I can like relax for a bit.
01:02:47.67
Rachel Reeves
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:02:54.54
mikechumpchange
He does something too when he introduces the teens in this movie and it's this really high spirit. It's fun. It's like out on the beach type of like out on the water music. He incorporates like the two notes of the dotdump.dump but it's really fast and sped up and playful.
01:03:01.89
Trace
Earth.
01:03:02.95
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:03:09.81
Trace
The.
01:03:12.50
mikechumpchange
So it kind of signifies like these kids have no idea what sort of danger they're actually in and also kind of like gives this sort of idea like later on like these 2 things are going to intersect like the kids and the shark are going to intersect with one another but it's not done in a scary way and it's introduction and I really. Love that and Rachel we didn't have you on for jaws but could you speak a little bit about what you think it is it makes Williams like so special as a composer because I said in the first would be like he's our Beethoven like he's the modern day equivalent of ah of Mozart or Beethoven. But I don't know actually have two music. Specialist here like Brian you as well like what is it about the way Williams composes that sets him apart and makes him so special.
01:03:57.80
Rachel Reeves
I Mean he's a master of themes like he he manages to boil things down and just like encapsulate. You know the spirit of a film in a really powerful theme.
01:04:00.22
Trace
And.
01:04:03.92
Brian Keiper
Um, yes.
01:04:11.88
Rachel Reeves
And for for jaws. It's something very simple, very primal very like driving like he it's he looks at things very thoughtfully I feel like stories and he becomes inspired by that and creates just I mean I was terrified of jaws before I saw Jaws because of the music.
01:04:27.62
Trace
A citizen.
01:04:30.40
Rachel Reeves
Like that theme was used against me and like that's I think that's just so interesting that like the music and knowing that it was associated with a shark you know 5 year old me was like oh this is scary. This makes sense and I think that he just understands music and the way it affects people's.
01:04:30.11
mikechumpchange
Now.
01:04:30.72
Brian Keiper
Um, arrive yeah.
01:04:49.96
Rachel Reeves
So brilliantly and intimately that he's able to put those into just some of the most iconic themes of our time like there's so many John Williams themes you can play for anybody on the street and be like what is this from what is this one? What is this from and people will know it and that's i.
01:05:00.38
Brian Keiper
Um, right.
01:05:08.45
Rachel Reeves
Think just incredibly impressive and he's a magical beautiful human.
01:05:11.84
Brian Keiper
I Think he also knows when not to use music which is really smart because in the first one they only and they repeats that a little bit here too is they only use that theme when it's the actual shark.
01:05:14.16
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
01:05:15.11
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:05:24.81
Trace
The her.
01:05:24.94
mikechumpchange
Down.
01:05:25.18
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
01:05:27.85
Brian Keiper
So when when you have the kids with the fake cardboard fin. There's no theme because and that tricks you because when he's chumman come down and Chum some of this shit the shark comes out. There's no music and it makes it so much better and so much more of a so.
01:05:30.56
mikechumpchange
Now.
01:05:32.42
Rachel Reeves
Um, well yes.
01:05:33.34
Trace
Ah.
01:05:39.44
Trace
And.
01:05:39.57
mikechumpchange
Right.
01:05:46.40
Brian Keiper
Startling thing because you do not expect anything to happen so Halloween is this same Halloween is is is the jaws cream. Yeah yeah.
01:05:46.53
mikechumpchange
Tell.
01:05:47.20
Rachel Reeves
And we're going to see this happen in horror pretty quickly after this right like you're going to with Halloween Friday the thirteenth like Friday I mean Friday the thirteenth like that like that is you know, telling us that.
01:05:50.70
Trace
Yeah yep, so.
01:05:58.52
mikechumpchange
Move.
01:06:03.98
Rachel Reeves
You know? Well, if we think Jason or you know Mrs Voorhees is around and we're see like that music is our clue to look and like in the shadows right? and search the shadows for that creature. What is it we can hear it before we see it and so that's something that I think we can trace back to jaws and.
01:06:04.25
mikechumpchange
Now No now.
01:06:05.90
Trace
Yeah.
01:06:08.76
Brian Keiper
Yep.
01:06:10.36
Trace
Yeah.
01:06:20.19
mikechumpchange
No.
01:06:20.81
Rachel Reeves
Peeping Tom even it's like those little cues that you're going to like that's going to be hugely influential obviously in horror moving forward.
01:06:21.27
Trace
Yeah.
01:06:23.53
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:06:28.69
mikechumpchange
There's also like Williams has the ability to kind of borrow from his previous scores in ways that it feels familiar but it doesn't feel recycled like I'm thinking in jaws at the end of the movie when like when Brody is is leaning out on the mast trying to shoot the shark like. It sounds the musical cues there sound very similar to those at the end of star wars where Luke is like flying down the trench. It has those like quick quick notes like the attention is building up. The action is building up but they sound familiar. I'm thinking of like empire strikes back and raiders like Leah and Hans like love theme very very similar to indie and marion's love theme in those 2 movies like but they don't.
01:07:09.60
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
01:07:14.23
mikechumpchange
You you recognize them and you kind of recognize the emotions you're going for without sounding like carbon copies of 1 another? Yeah um, yeah.
01:07:19.14
Brian Keiper
He has a clear style I think is what yeah I mean you can pretty much recognize that that's John Williams right there just I think you can with Bernard Herman too is is kind of that way as well and max steiner and I don't know.
01:07:20.20
Rachel Reeves
Yes, yes, yes.
01:07:20.61
Trace
Um, yeah.
01:07:29.56
Rachel Reeves
Um, well and he understands like oh.
01:07:38.86
Brian Keiper
Mike ah Thomas Newman's another one where I I hear him and it's like yeah, that's a Thomas Newman Score so yeah it's different than yeah.
01:07:41.95
mikechumpchange
Oh.
01:07:42.68
Rachel Reeves
They understand how music works in film specific which is something It's like you know? Yes, they're They're fabulous composers and musicians but they I think have a really good handle just you know say the least on how music operates with a film. So.
01:08:01.60
mikechumpchange
Excellent. So moving on really quick to the marketing. It has 3 things going for number one. It's following up jaws and that by this time they they released jaws into theaters a couple times to get people pumped for jaws too. It. Makes its television debut right before jaws 2 comes out and it gets something like a 58% share which basically means 3 out of every 5 homes in the country that had their televisions on tuned in to watch jaws make its Tv debut which is amazing.
01:08:31.47
Rachel Reeves
Crazy.
01:08:35.23
mikechumpchange
That's like 2 super bowls playing simultaneously in terms of the share. Um, it has an all time great tagline for a sequel like just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water is the tagline which is incredible. It doesn't get any better than that and that poster.
01:08:46.12
Trace
Are.
01:08:53.25
mikechumpchange
Right? How good is the poster to jaws to and are we a little bit let down that it doesn't actually come up and swallow her whole.
01:08:54.00
Brian Keiper
Oh yeah.
01:09:01.80
Trace
So so I was actually curious because I've obviously yeah but I've seen the main poster is the one of the Shark jumping up behind the skier. But I've also seen one specifically on the album cover where it's just like a sunset on the water and you see the fen.
01:09:14.10
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:09:15.97
Trace
That's all you see and I actually preferred that poster because again it I think it's just ominous and it really it looks really cool with the sunset. But I kind of don't agree about the skier because I think it's really fun that we get these P O V shots of the shark like up on the the ski I just I mean could it be like more gory I guess like yeah I guess fine but like I kind of.
01:09:16.23
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:09:35.99
Trace
Don't mind it if only because we see the shark like right after that. So it's kind of like it so going to our expectations.
01:09:37.98
mikechumpchange
Reveal.
01:09:43.22
Brian Keiper
I remember looking at you know, obviously the video cassette sitting side by side on the in the horror section of Jaws Jaws 2 and 3 and the jaws two one was always the one not just because it was the cute girl. But.
01:09:47.24
Trace
M.
01:09:59.86
Trace
Ah.
01:09:59.95
Brian Keiper
But but just the way the way the shark looked something about that and just that idea because I knew people who waterskied and stuff like that just that idea of something that is so familiar. Um, and this monster that is just bigger than her. You know by you know I don't know it felt like a hundred feet at the time. But.
01:10:06.62
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:10:08.73
Trace
Yeah, yeah.
01:10:17.92
Brian Keiper
You know, just smashing up out of the water to grab them was just horrifying to me. So yeah, that's not in the movie.
01:10:21.10
Trace
Yeah, death.
01:10:23.20
Rachel Reeves
I think we've all been fooled by box covers right? You know it's like oh that's not even in the movie you lie Demon wind I didn't see that at all, you know like this.
01:10:27.46
mikechumpchange
Now.
01:10:30.19
Trace
I mean because because what what? what was the box art for Jaws Three is it like all this. It's all the skiers again isn't it. It's like yes and and.
01:10:35.00
Brian Keiper
Ah, ah if it's all the skiers and there's like a shark fin going through the middle and then it but it and it has the it has the you know sort of the icon from the first movies poster above it? Yeah yeah.
01:10:39.10
mikechumpchange
Up down.
01:10:44.10
Trace
Yeah, and then like like 1 of the skiers is like following like reaching for the friend and also the that scene is also like oh that's it in just 3
01:10:46.59
mikechumpchange
Um, no.
01:10:51.60
mikechumpchange
Yeah I feel like the poster you mentioned trace I would want to hang that one on my wall like that's some more are gorgeous poster and.
01:10:51.71
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, yeah.
01:10:54.56
Brian Keiper
That's it I know? yeah.
01:10:59.49
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:11:00.80
Trace
It's so good. It's so good. Actually oh you can't see it but I have a poster a mondo poster for an aronel street four on my wall and it's Freddy's glove in the ah in the sand and it says just when you thought it was safe to go back to bed.
01:11:05.67
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:11:13.27
Rachel Reeves
Q.
01:11:14.89
mikechumpchange
But that's great. That's great. So I think like I'd want to hang frame and hang that one but in terms of like if I walk into a movie theater and I'm looking at like coming soon and you see all the posters up.
01:11:15.80
Brian Keiper
Nice.
01:11:28.33
mikechumpchange
The water skier one is going to be the one that's going to get me pumped like that's where the money is right there? Wow! Ah so speaking of money. Let's talk money ah comes out June Sixteenth Nineteen Seventy eight
01:11:28.45
Trace
Yeah.
01:11:30.95
Rachel Reeves
It also makes sense like before the first jaws you know it's under the water now that's like this one. It's like we know we know the shark is going to be there. Yeah.
01:11:34.89
Trace
Now it's out. This is the shark.
01:11:37.88
Brian Keiper
Um, out. Yeah yeah.
01:11:47.87
mikechumpchange
Gross is just under 10000000 in its opening weekend which at that point is a record and again it's at a time where movie tickets are like $2 and twenty five cents so that is a lot of people going to see this movie. Oh my goodness on its first run initial run in the theaters.
01:11:54.25
Trace
U.
01:11:56.37
Brian Keiper
Are.
01:11:56.43
Rachel Reeves
Can you imagine.
01:12:00.13
Trace
And.
01:12:05.45
mikechumpchange
It makes just under 78000000 or about two and a half times it's about $30000000 budget crosses 100000000 on re-release makes just under two hundred and ten million bucks worldwide so it only makes about 40% of the box office of jaws. But that's what.
01:12:16.26
Rachel Reeves
Thing.
01:12:23.35
Trace
Yeah, it.
01:12:23.76
mikechumpchange
Better than they anticipated because again sequels weren't expected to make more money like they're supposed. They're thought of as lesser than the first movie.
01:12:31.73
Trace
It's it's weird because yeah, watching some of those extra features in the Blu Rayy they're like oh yeah, like we were hoping for at least a third of what jaws made and I was like that's what you were hoping for so and that's the thing though like this this was a huge fucking hit and it always surpriseds me people talk about oh the jaws sequels and like yeah but.
01:12:38.00
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
01:12:43.53
mikechumpchange
Um, yep.
01:12:48.35
mikechumpchange
Yeah, it it was the sixth highest grossing movie of the year and I think what was is that the year that Superman the movie comes out I think that 78 right which I think is the number one movie of that year in my personal favorite score of John Williams is the Superman theme.
01:12:48.55
Trace
Yeah, that second one was a big fucking deal in 1978
01:12:52.20
Rachel Reeves
Aha.
01:12:53.72
Brian Keiper
Ah.
01:12:56.43
Trace
Um, yeah.
01:12:58.35
Brian Keiper
Yes, pretty sure.
01:13:06.81
Rachel Reeves
Can.
01:13:08.37
mikechumpchange
Ah, it's the number one top grossing sequel along until 1980 when empire strikes back comes out so just like jaws is number one for a little while you know it's eclipsed by star wars shortly thereafter.
01:13:14.72
Trace
Well.
01:13:21.90
Trace
Oh my god one of the highest growth because this is also the same year. Oh that's the thing so jaws 2 opens the same day that grease comes out and grease doesn't open as well as jaws too. But it legs it out for the whole summer whereas jaws two doesn't let it out.
01:13:29.49
Rachel Reeves
Oh my gosh.
01:13:33.29
Brian Keiper
Um, they are.
01:13:33.57
mikechumpchange
No yeah, no, no, that's yeah, jaws too. Definitely frontloaded. Definitely going to be what you're goingnna rush out to see it and I you know I I'm trying to think of the last movie that really had those kind of legs or just leggged it out forever and maybe. God it might have been the first avatar movie which but I'm thinking like the first screen movie takes like it's in the top 5 forever. It's never the number one movie. The.
01:13:55.83
Brian Keiper
Yeah, yeah.
01:13:58.70
Trace
Oh yeah, well so here's your comparison jaws 2 you know, open to 10000000 goes to like seventy seven point seven million grease opens with 8000000 and legs it out to a 59000000
01:14:08.40
mikechumpchange
Who Jesus I have never watched Grace I've never watched it again I have never who how.
01:14:13.23
Rachel Reeves
I Love Greece I Love I lovereece.
01:14:15.32
Trace
I left I love greece too. But I mean that's a thing right? Like how how long was Greece in like the top 10 movies like it just it just stayed there where his jaw students didn't have that luck but it's still yeah.
01:14:27.10
Brian Keiper
Well I remember that also I remember Titanic just you know so sucking all the I mean and the thing is that people when it open people are like oh okay, you know Titanic but then it just kept going and going and going.
01:14:27.88
mikechumpchange
Oh.
01:14:30.30
Rachel Reeves
Yeah yep, yep.
01:14:35.74
Trace
Yeah through April like that opened in December and was like and yeah.
01:14:42.65
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:14:43.85
Brian Keiper
Then it then it dropped to number two then it came back to number one that it went to number three they went back to and then ah, the dark night was another one like that where it just kept going and going forever and and where it where's like avatar just kind of came out just it stayed number one number no number one then goes away. You know.
01:14:50.77
Rachel Reeves
Um, ah.
01:14:51.71
Trace
Um, oh you know my.
01:14:57.87
Trace
You know what another big success like that is on my big fabric wedding from 2002 like I think that laid it out's like $300000000
01:15:00.70
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:15:01.51
mikechumpchange
Yes, it's good point.
01:15:04.17
Brian Keiper
Oh yeah, that's a good one. A good idea. Um.
01:15:05.58
Rachel Reeves
Crazy.
01:15:07.68
mikechumpchange
Yeah I miss those days I miss when you could see a movie. You could go two months in and go back and see a movie in the theaters and now you know I think it's a bad thing when a movie's in theaters for three weeks and then all of a sudden you can like rent it at home like that.
01:15:15.35
Brian Keiper
Yes.
01:15:17.32
Trace
Ah, her.
01:15:23.57
Trace
Yeah.
01:15:25.36
Brian Keiper
It's on V O D yeah.
01:15:25.73
Rachel Reeves
I think you know I'm going to say at the fast and furious films too because fast 4 was awful but then fast 5 came out and I think that one did because I think people maybe weren't expecting it and then it was like oh no, this is a really great movie and those are.
01:15:25.78
mikechumpchange
Doesn't help that doesn't help.
01:15:30.13
mikechumpchange
Okay, who.
01:15:32.14
Trace
Yeah. Well. But that's a.
01:15:42.93
Brian Keiper
I Still have yet to see I still have yet to see a single fast and furious movie. Ok all right.
01:15:44.38
Rachel Reeves
Billion dollar movies um we're doing it Ari and I are having our own Patreon spin off and you two are going to watch him with us and it's going to be great.
01:15:47.63
Trace
Who I wait I'm sorry yeah I'm telling you right now as someone who like does not like the first movie at all the second ones in man I think Tokyo just is fine, fast and fast and furious is not good, but 5 through 8
01:15:49.10
mikechumpchange
Um, same.
01:15:54.80
mikechumpchange
Okay.
01:16:02.43
Rachel Reeves
No.
01:16:06.84
Trace
And because I do like 8 actually 9 is not good, but I actually really had a lot of fun with 10 so like totally worth it like just you got to get past those first couple movies because I don't think the first half of them are very good.
01:16:09.10
mikechumpchange
Okay.
01:16:09.34
Rachel Reeves
Yeah yep, yep, dip.
01:16:10.10
Brian Keiper
But okay.
01:16:14.30
mikechumpchange
I I at Rachel I'll tell you that on prime day I had the first 9 movies in my cart ready to go like hit checkout and then when it said when it because I like right now I'm home alone I can just watch movies all day every day I'm on summer break.
01:16:24.11
Rachel Reeves
Um.
01:16:32.95
mikechumpchange
Wasn't going to arrive until August thirty first and I'm like you know I took it out of the cart and I'm I think I got taxi driver in a four k of the lost boys instead on special.
01:16:34.32
Rachel Reeves
Po Jesus.
01:16:41.10
Trace
Meant I'm gonna tell you like 6 is my favorite one if only because you get to see Michelle Rodriguez beat the shit out of Gina Carrado
01:16:49.33
mikechumpchange
Excellent I'm sold all right I will have to order these then so I'll ask Rachel do I order the first nine on Blu-ray for thirty five bucks or the first 8 on 4 k for forty five bucks
01:16:51.81
Rachel Reeves
That's true.
01:16:53.95
Trace
Who.
01:16:57.80
Brian Keiper
Ah, thorough.
01:17:03.50
Trace
Yes, oh ah.
01:17:07.70
Rachel Reeves
I mean I am not a huge four k ad I don't have a 4 k play or anything. But.
01:17:07.82
mikechumpchange
Is it worth getting in four k ok with 1 less movie. Okay, okay, that's the route we're going to go then I will.
01:17:11.76
Trace
But but for $10 more for getting all of them in four k like that's that's worth it like just the yeah, that's fine. That's fine.
01:17:24.10
mikechumpchange
Report back by it so I have to watch all of the saw and all of the fast and furious movies by the end of summer I've only seen the first 2 in jigsaw some wild rides. Yeah, that's what I hear that's what I hear good.
01:17:26.72
Trace
Way have you not seen the saw movies I oh my god also saw 6 low key 1 of the best ones in that franchise.
01:17:32.61
Rachel Reeves
You're you are going on some wild rides and I am here for it. Ah.
01:17:41.92
Brian Keiper
Ah, yeah I agree actually? yeah.
01:17:44.80
mikechumpchange
All right trace I know you have a hard out in an hour in 10 minutes and we are going in some wild direct and so no I love it I love it because we've actually covered a lot of like some of the movie discussion stuff. So all right have a great week everybody we're done. Um, that's so I'll ask this like.
01:17:49.86
Trace
Um, sorry that's my fault. Ah.
01:17:58.91
Brian Keiper
The.
01:18:02.46
mikechumpchange
Is the biggest flaw of Jaws too when people say like ah like you said trace. Oh the Jaws sequels. This is a legit like fun in good movie is its biggest flass simply that it's not jaws.
01:18:12.15
Trace
Yeah, and again I don't even call that a flaw I just think gets to the public mindset like if if Jaws didn't exist and this was the first entry I mean somehow you know I think this would be a much higher like higher regarded film.
01:18:18.46
mikechumpchange
Ripe.
01:18:23.83
Rachel Reeves
Yeah I agree I think it's a little disjointed sometimes like it's like wait is is it a team story. Is it a Brodie story like but that's merely because yes I'm comparing it to the first one like if I I had no association with the first one.
01:18:28.35
Trace
Um, yeah.
01:18:31.98
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:18:37.61
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
01:18:41.18
Brian Keiper
Um, right.
01:18:43.34
Rachel Reeves
Probably yeah I would love this I mean I do love it. But it would be it would put it in a different light I think look at it through a different lens.
01:18:45.70
Trace
Um, yeah, right.
01:18:49.60
mikechumpchange
I agree with you I think that this would be a super well-regarded movie if jas 2 was the first movie it probably wouldn't be like considered like an all time great movie and I don't think it would launch the summer blockbuster as we know it. But I still think it would be a hit.
01:18:59.54
Trace
Now.
01:19:07.30
mikechumpchange
I Think that if you release this movie on its own people would still turn up for this sure. Yeah yeah I I do think that one of the reasons why it gets it gets knocked down a peg is that it often.
01:19:12.10
Trace
But I think a lot of the ah 3 star ratings would be 4 star ratings if this wasn't a sequel.
01:19:26.33
mikechumpchange
And it's a complaint I have about the elm street remake like trace I think you talked about the Texas chainsaw remake and I know how much you love that movie because that does its own thing in a different way like it feels like a Texas chainsaw but to its credit it does its own thing.
01:19:29.99
Trace
Earth earth. And.
01:19:40.90
mikechumpchange
When I watch like the elm street remake I'm always like why am I not watching Wes Cravens movie like it's aping that movie this kind of does that a lot like it mirrors a lot of the same scenes and the same sequences you have like instead of the swimmer Chrissy going out. You have the.
01:19:43.55
Trace
Yeah.
01:19:50.14
Trace
M.
01:19:56.60
Trace
Yeah, yeah.
01:19:56.94
mikechumpchange
Water skier going out, you have the fourth July scene you have the adventure in the high seas you have the mayor not listening and at times you're like why am I not just watching jaws at that point. Um, but I still think that it does things well enough where it is a. Super enjoyable romp like on its own. It's a fun movie on its own.
01:20:16.92
Trace
Well,, but that's where I think too that the stuff with brody and his evolution is a character I think that's what makes it work So you're you're right like a lot of this. We're just kind of like riffing set pieces from the first film but it's the advance like character knowledge and like I think that's what. Holds you through to the end of this movie.
01:20:35.81
mikechumpchange
Um, I think that you do get more with Brody. We're going to definitely talk about him where I don't think it does a lot of the victims justice and I'm not saying that jaws.
01:20:43.59
Trace
Yeah.
01:20:46.82
mikechumpchange
You have like the most fully formed characters of all time but you get just enough with Chrissy at the beginning of the movie like watching her swim seeing how graceful she is like just like hanging around the campfire with those kids like oh this seems like a really fun night and then she's killed you feel for her. Alex Kitner that little moment he shares with his mom before he goes out even pipp and the dog you know enough about all of the victims where you really feel for them where here like you're presented these 2 like you know these 2 peucas that are under the water.
01:21:06.33
Trace
M.
01:21:21.37
mikechumpchange
You know and they get eaten right away. Don't know anything about them whatsoever. Yeah mm.
01:21:23.96
Rachel Reeves
These two these rich guys going down to take pictures of ah a wreck where people died weird.
01:21:23.97
Trace
Ah, it that is a thing with the open that is the thing with the opening of this film like I think it's really cool to revisit the site of the Orca but it's like.
01:21:29.50
Brian Keiper
Yeah.
01:21:36.16
Trace
Again I get it. You can't match the the brilliance of Chrissy's death even the opening film but the opening of this film is such a kind of like a shrug you're like ah okay.
01:21:38.15
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
01:21:42.82
mikechumpchange
Um, a now.
01:21:43.26
Rachel Reeves
I don't I don't know the ocean gate people maybe should have learned from them I just say.
01:21:49.65
Brian Keiper
Yeah, right? who? ah the ah and plus that camera I mean just keeps taking pictures for on its own I don't I which is amazing. That's amazing technology right? there? Yeah exactly. Ah.
01:21:54.28
mikechumpchange
Move.
01:21:56.59
Trace
Um, yeah, who you don't have to hit the button. You just got to hit the camera itself.
01:21:59.19
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, yeah.
01:22:01.25
mikechumpchange
Yep. And it's not.. It's a little bit confusing the way it's shot to it's just like a bunch of screaming and you know you don't get enough.
01:22:05.56
Brian Keiper
If.
01:22:10.28
Trace
Oh that's okay, in both of these first two jaws movies I love like the sound of men screaming underwater.
01:22:19.99
mikechumpchange
Um, ah, um, but I do and let's talk about Brody in this movie. Let's talk about his further development I do think schider does a great job returning.
01:22:23.98
Rachel Reeves
Um.
01:22:34.38
mikechumpchange
To this character and giving you just enough and I think every great hero needs a great foil and I don't necessarily think that the shark is the foil in this movie where jaws didn't really have a villain and we can. We'll talk about the mayor again here. You get like Joe Moscolo like being the shady real estate development developer Peterson. He's a definite antagonist for Brody in this movie like a great all time like eat the rich villain right.
01:23:06.11
Trace
Did y'all watch the ah deleted scenes for this? Yeah, so there's a scene in the very beginning when he drives his wife to work and he gives her boss this guy a ticket and he won't like budge on it. He's like no sorry dude I don't like you.
01:23:06.66
Brian Keiper
Um I didn't have a chance.
01:23:08.98
mikechumpchange
There's one where he gives him a ticket right.
01:23:19.42
mikechumpchange
Um, it's great. Yeah yeah, and and Peter like come on like what do you do? and here is like nope that the rules are the rules like because he knows like this guy Peterson.
01:23:20.89
Trace
And so it immediately sets up their kind of like antagonism and rivalry.
01:23:33.99
mikechumpchange
Has eyes on Ellen like there's some clear tension there that goes beyond 2 guys that don't like 1 another like Peterson seems like the kind of boss who will sexually harass the staff.
01:23:36.71
Trace
Ah.
01:23:47.14
Trace
But I like though that that doesn't actually come to anything because it does kind of seem like a holdover from Peter Benley's novel where she has an affair with the hooper character. Um, and this movie doesn't need that at all just like the first movie didn't need that.
01:23:51.60
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:23:53.95
Rachel Reeves
Ah, yeah.
01:23:59.70
Rachel Reeves
It also I think it's a really funny like you know you can look at because we've got this hotel opening right? and like Amityville's changing and it's just kind of like this this hungry beast right? That is like capitalism and like exploiting this oceanside town and you've got kind of.
01:24:05.10
Trace
And.
01:24:11.23
Trace
Yeah, yeah.
01:24:11.82
mikechumpchange
Move.
01:24:18.48
Rachel Reeves
You know the brody I know he's they haven't been there that long but it's kind of like the old school amity versus like this new idea of what like amity could be in the tourism and like no this is. We're not going to listen to you because we want it to be like that I don't know it's just kind of a funny dynamic but they don't force it and I like that it's just.
01:24:22.60
Trace
Right.
01:24:25.61
mikechumpchange
Um, now go.
01:24:34.41
Trace
Yeah.
01:24:36.73
Rachel Reeves
Very subtle and of course you can read into it like I am or we're not but it still works.
01:24:38.21
mikechumpchange
Now the in the brodies or so even though they've established themselves on the island. They're still considered outsiders like you have that moment in the first movie. It's like no if you're not born here. You.
01:24:46.70
Trace
A hearth.
01:24:52.40
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:24:52.65
Brian Keiper
You're not born here. You're not an islander. Yeah yeah.
01:24:53.42
mikechumpchange
Not an islander and there was that contingent of people in Martha's vineyard who did not want jaws to shoot there like they would go out and they would sabotage the set after hours like they would pour sugar in the gas tanks and spray paint like they would like graffiti. Sets because like they didn't want these outsiders here and what's interesting in jaws too is both Peterson and Brody are outsiders but Peterson seems like he's immediately embraced because he's throwing money around like he is seen more as one of them. Then Brody has ever been seen which part of it is a cap of course you know, Brody's a cop and but Peterson is just kind of stimulating the economy and like throwing his big piles of cash around.
01:25:28.10
Trace
The food.
01:25:42.58
mikechumpchange
I'll ask this is anyone because this came up a lot during covid when people were reroching jaws and people would say like oh don't forget like mayor Vaughn is still the mayor in jaws too. Ah. Are we surprised that Vaughn is the mayor in the second movie aside from the fact that you want to bring back. You know Larry Hamilton I'm sorry Murray Hamilton are we surprised that Vaughn is still the mayor because I'm not really.
01:26:06.98
Rachel Reeves
No people have short memories.
01:26:08.80
Brian Keiper
Now I mean I don't think they give him any blame for what happened and the thing is it was also like it's almost like we we think of Jaws as epic thing right? You know it's really only takes place over a few days. So it's like this one blip in the in the entire term of his.
01:26:17.95
mikechumpchange
Now it's like a week are
01:26:20.13
Trace
What. But it's also like the the members of am the the citizens of Amity Island haven't seen jaws they're not seeing these these communications this conversations between Brody and and the mayor where he's like no money I like money like there's no shark here like they they don't know that shit.
01:26:27.88
Brian Keiper
You know that he had you know.
01:26:32.51
Brian Keiper
Right? right? right.
01:26:34.69
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:26:37.29
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, yeah, they don't know even if the newspaper wrote about it like I mean come on people don't read the news like like.
01:26:43.18
mikechumpchange
Ah, ba or more. Yeah, no.
01:26:48.97
Brian Keiper
It's like hey remember, don't forget he hired Brody and Brody's the hero and you know so that's probably what he ran ran for reelection on right? yeah.
01:26:51.97
Trace
Yeah.
01:26:53.82
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:26:53.84
mikechumpchange
Know show. Yeah, if you're the mayor you can say I hired quint. Ah I saved August like you could definitely say like I was able to save August right? yeah.
01:27:00.53
Rachel Reeves
Yes, there was a problem I fixed it.
01:27:02.41
Trace
Yeah, he hired a spin doctor like a crisis Pr person and was like hey fix this.
01:27:02.44
Brian Keiper
Ah, right? Yeah yeah.
01:27:08.46
Rachel Reeves
No.
01:27:11.70
mikechumpchange
So I think Vaughn is portrayed like a lot more sympathetically in this movie like even though I don't blame him for not immediately believing believing Brody like when Brody says I think there's another shark because that's human nature like we've been through this trauma. You don't want to believe it's going to return like you're going to do everything in your power to deny it until it's really staring you in the face right.
01:27:35.30
Trace
But but his his reaction but his reaction and Brody tells him. It's not immediate like you're your you're fucking idiot it's he's like are you serious like like but.
01:27:37.59
Brian Keiper
Till it swims up and bites you on the ass right.
01:27:44.27
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there is that deleted scene too like when Brody is fired the show the vote and the mayor is the only 1
01:27:47.43
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:27:48.20
Brian Keiper
Yeah, that's true, all right.
01:27:55.48
Brian Keiper
Put me.
01:27:59.70
Trace
Yeah, and I do think they should have kept that because and but the issue is also because Murray Hamilton's like wife was sick or something so he had to leave production and so they shot all of a shit really quick but but I do think that it would have helped.
01:27:59.97
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
01:28:00.60
mikechumpchange
That votes to keep Brody as sheriff like he doesn't want to yeah me too. Yes, they did it over like three days yeah
01:28:01.42
Brian Keiper
No.
01:28:12.65
Rachel Reeves
Gotcha.
01:28:16.23
Trace
Maybe not hell it's like a thirty second extra scene like it's not even long but to be like oh good like it honestly feels like a good closure send off for that character like oh good finally like he's but the first movie not believing this guy and not sticking up for him. So for his last scene to be standing up for Brody I think that would have been a really important thing to keep in.
01:28:19.58
mikechumpchange
Um.
01:28:23.81
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:28:30.61
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah I think that Brody is reinstated after the events of this movie right? I mean like he saved all you saved the mayor's kit I feel like he's going to be reinstated as chief right away.
01:28:43.20
Trace
Oh if I was him I would have cut the dorsal fin off that Shark walked right into City Hall been like here fuckers and then quit and leave the island.
01:28:48.84
mikechumpchange
Here you go I kind of shocked after the first of at the events of jaws that they stayed I mean I know you get that scene in the hospital when they're like we're going home. But after I just watched a guy get eaten.
01:28:51.54
Rachel Reeves
Ah, yeah.
01:29:06.35
mikechumpchange
And all of that shit I already don't like the water I'd be like you know I could probably be like a small town sheriff in the Midwest like a landlocked state right.
01:29:07.62
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:29:16.21
Trace
I think I'm more surprised that Sean is it like more traumatized because remember he's the one that gets like the interaction in the shark with the um like the ponder whatever and you would think that that would have more like long lasting effects on this kid. It's Mike right.
01:29:26.48
mikechumpchange
Um, I thought it was Mike like Mike is the one on the boat Sean yeah Sean's sitting on the sand.
01:29:29.77
Brian Keiper
Yeah, yeah, Sean's on the shore. Yeah.
01:29:35.38
Trace
Right? Okay, well Mike should have more ptsd.
01:29:35.55
Rachel Reeves
Either way, they never they like throughout this entire franchise I feel like they're never like really properly Trump but.
01:29:36.58
mikechumpchange
Now.
01:29:44.25
Trace
Oh yeah, what? what? wide is might go work at Sea world in jaws three um.
01:29:49.34
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, and then even like Sean he's like oh I don't like going in the water but then he does because you know like a ba yeah like a babe is like no just come in. He's like ok, but.
01:29:50.30
mikechumpchange
Um, inexplicable.
01:29:54.41
mikechumpchange
Yeah, okay I said this when when Stephen and I recorded like a bonus episode on the killers from 1946 I said Ava Gardner is the kind of woman. You'd go to prison prison over for 3 years
01:29:56.23
Trace
Um, because Leah Thompson's there and he wants to fuck her.
01:30:13.64
mikechumpchange
Leah Thompson is the kind of woman at that time you would definitely go in the water for even if you're scared of the water for a chance to go to bed with her I'm sorry like here are some things worth getting over your fear I'll take that risk. Yeah I'll take that risk.
01:30:20.16
Rachel Reeves
Well, they immediately get knocked over their little inner 2 flips over so but.
01:30:25.96
Trace
Um, yeah, and then they don't even it shouldn't even die. They just swim to the shore.
01:30:32.66
mikechumpchange
Um, I do like some of the like the way they continue like Brody is better with the water but still unsure like there's that line in the first movie like you don't even get out of your car when you're riding the ferry and when you see him in the ferry in this movie. He's sitting in his car like they continued that over.
01:30:47.24
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:30:50.69
mikechumpchange
He doesn't immediately run into the water when he sees like the part of the boat that's been capsized I do like they continue those things with Brody but he'll still do what he has to do he'll do what has to be done. So.
01:31:02.90
Trace
Yeah.
01:31:07.25
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:31:07.56
mikechumpchange
We were talking a bit about Lorraine Gary and her role in this movie and how maybe she got the short shrift I still think that the interactions with her and Brody are one of the real strengths. There's a little bit of tension. There's a little bit of that like she's criticizing Martin for smoking too much which.
01:31:15.51
Trace
Who.
01:31:26.29
mikechumpchange
Everybody is like lighting up like crazy in this movie. So You know that I almost felt like that was a dig on Schyder. Ah basically like a little kind of way to acknowledge like dude like you got to lay off the the lung darts there a little bit. My friend. Um. She's like I wish you would spend more time with the kids and he's like well I have a job to do but overall like they are always there for each other when they need to be no.
01:31:51.46
Trace
Even when he gets fired like she's so supportive of him I Love to when they walk out and like there's all those beer cans on the um in the grass by the car and she's like you old So and so.
01:31:56.57
Brian Keiper
Yeah I Love that part. Yeah.
01:32:00.13
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, and she like she's so there's some moments where it's just like so sweet and realistic to me I think when it's just like you. It feels like she really knows this person because they're just having and it's like she checks on him a little bit like be sure you're okay.
01:32:01.81
mikechumpchange
Move down.
01:32:06.63
Trace
A.
01:32:10.51
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, um, yeah.
01:32:13.70
Trace
Yeah.
01:32:16.45
Rachel Reeves
And it's like she knows he's not but also like not going to talk about it right now but she's just like letting him know that she knows and it it feels very real to me just that kind of like all right? Well I'm here and I understand.
01:32:24.40
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
01:32:27.63
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
01:32:27.73
Trace
E.
01:32:29.77
Rachel Reeves
That kind of thing and with his son too. There's a moment where they're like on the just the way that Brody's looking at his son. It's just so sweet and it's just these simple subtle things that really just like oh this feels like a family.
01:32:36.39
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:32:44.87
Trace
Yeah, 1 of 1 of the biggest lasts for me too is whenever Brody's like why does it don't care about boats and swimming and she's like it's an island. Ah.
01:32:47.91
Rachel Reeves
He yes well I like trying to let her son just like have a summer and he's like no, you got to get a job and she's like but it's summer like that's just like such a sweet mom thing like just let him enjoy like he's just having fun with his friends and.
01:32:49.83
mikechumpchange
Um, yes, such a good line. It's such a great line.
01:32:52.70
Brian Keiper
Um.
01:32:55.57
Trace
So.
01:32:58.43
mikechumpchange
Know now. And yeah and we have we have like kind of the opposite dynamic in our house where like my wife loves making lists and like you know we have chores we do like I have a set list and my daughter has a set list.
01:33:04.35
Trace
I.
01:33:07.89
Rachel Reeves
Ah, so cute.
01:33:18.00
mikechumpchange
I am often the one that will let Ada out I'm like oh your friends like you haven't done your chores and like your friends want to have a pull party I'm like go to your friends like the chores will be here when you get back because you know it's summertime I Want you to like go spend time with your friends because like school's going to intrude soon enough and.
01:33:24.53
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:33:37.79
mikechumpchange
But they're not like we're not argumentative about it. They're not that here. It's like just 2 people that want something a little bit different but they never really like fight over it and Brody doesn't really put his foot down until he thinks there's danger and he's using.
01:33:43.65
Rachel Reeves
Aha.
01:33:54.30
Brian Keiper
Um, right.
01:33:54.50
mikechumpchange
Then he's using the job. The job is more of an excuse to keep his son safe more so than like I want him to have a real job and I like that like Mike is the way that interacted feels like a very realistic portrayal of like a teenager and like their dad like they're going to. Argue with one another they're going to butt heads with one another but at the same time they're still family. They still love and care for 1 another? Um, how grounded is Mike at the end of like if there's like a bonus scene in jaws two where they get back to shore after okay, on a scale of 1 to 10? How grounded is Mike for a. Going out on the ocean after he was told not to and be like bringing Sean with him like he's not seeing the beach let alone a boat for the rest of the summer right.
01:34:35.47
Rachel Reeves
Who.
01:34:40.13
Trace
The.
01:34:43.90
Rachel Reeves
Ah, the thing is like I think his family his parents are just going to be happy. He's alive so they're not going to like punish him necessarily I don't know. Do you think Mike wants to go back out and like multiple of his friends died I I guess that's true.
01:34:46.74
mikechumpchange
Um, bagman.
01:34:50.80
mikechumpchange
Yes.
01:34:53.80
Trace
Um, excuse me jaws 3 jaws also jaws for his brother dies and he's like let's go swim with the Bahamas and then it gets really excited when there's a shark and I'm like dude your brother was just.
01:35:01.26
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah them.
01:35:02.74
Rachel Reeves
I'm going to go research Kong shells. But.
01:35:09.74
mikechumpchange
Yeah, it's again, ah revenge not a good movie but I I think this kid's grounded for the rest of the summer I mean like yes, you're you're happy. He's safe. That's great. He's safe and I've always told my daughter like look.
01:35:09.77
Trace
Killed by a shark.
01:35:11.52
Rachel Reeves
It's so weird these these poor boys.
01:35:16.54
Brian Keiper
I am.
01:35:20.70
Trace
Gez.
01:35:26.76
mikechumpchange
When you get older and you go to parties like if you are ever with friends and they're drinking you call us right away I will always pick you up. No questions asked I will give you a safe ride home and you won't be grounded in this case though where he's like so because you want your kid to be safe that. Lasts so long. Eventually you wake up and you're like oh I'm glad you're safe, but the other thing is like I told you don't go on the fucking water and certainly not bringing the cute kid with you through true. Yeah know.
01:35:50.74
Rachel Reeves
Good thing is none of them have boats anymore right? They're all just so like what are they going to go out on the water with.
01:36:00.51
Trace
Ah, well i'mma sorry now if I'm Brody I'm gonna be like look fuckers next time I say there might be a shark you listen to me.
01:36:05.43
mikechumpchange
Yeah.
01:36:10.94
Rachel Reeves
I Ah you know I wish I saw more payoff with like this cyanide bullets like I I Love the electrocution like love it I think it's brilliant I think it looks great I think it's really funny I Wish they would have gone back to town and everything would have been dark like what happened? yeah.
01:36:13.42
Trace
Right.
01:36:15.60
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
01:36:15.70
Brian Keiper
Yeah.
01:36:18.78
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:36:28.37
Rachel Reeves
But like but but like I I wish I you know because he's like I think it's really cool like how he's what he's doing with the bullets and just kind of like how he's hiding it because he doesn't want people to know he's onto this like has this idea I wish a little bit more had happened with that. But.
01:36:28.86
Brian Keiper
Ah.
01:36:29.20
Trace
Um, that would be fantastic.
01:36:40.94
mikechumpchange
Now.
01:36:43.74
Brian Keiper
I Wonder while he's making those is is this like a thing is this something that people could actually do I I don't I don't know I'm I'm genuinely curious how that came a whole.
01:36:54.61
Rachel Reeves
How much cyide does it take to kill a great white shark a more like a drop but like Don up don't know oh god.
01:37:00.26
Brian Keiper
Yeah.
01:37:01.58
mikechumpchange
Ah, is he going to use it on town hall if he to get drunk. He get. He gets like as a darker version of this or after he gets fired. He gets super drunk and then takes everybody everybody out.
01:37:04.65
Brian Keiper
There you go? Yeah yeah.
01:37:06.92
Trace
Honestly.
01:37:12.60
Trace
Oh I'm tell you the order to I would kill out you know Lorraine Gary's boss first. But then I would go for that bitch who's like what am I looking at in this picture I don't see anything kill her next.
01:37:22.85
Rachel Reeves
See weed.
01:37:23.19
Brian Keiper
And she's at the first she's of the first person in the first movie too. She's one I don't think that's funny. That's not funny at all I love her I think she's so funny. Yeah, they yeah.
01:37:24.46
mikechumpchange
Um, now yeah, that's yep, yeah.
01:37:27.35
Trace
Yes, well and I always I always get her confused with Alex Kittner's mom because those actresses look exactly the same.
01:37:34.52
mikechumpchange
Um, they do. She looks a bit more weathered like she's a bit more leathery. She's.
01:37:34.89
Rachel Reeves
Um.
01:37:41.83
Brian Keiper
Well here here's the weird thing and I said this on our show to Alex Kitner's mom looks exactly like my mom did around that age and it is the most it is the most bizarre thing. So every time I watch jaws is like I swear my mom just like you know before she got married just went out made this movie and then you know.
01:37:48.13
Trace
Ah.
01:37:49.48
Rachel Reeves
Thank you? ah.
01:37:49.52
mikechumpchange
You mean.
01:38:00.49
mikechumpchange
I could your mom deliver a slap like Alex Kitner's mom accidents you answer that very quickly here like yes, sure oh pleases.
01:38:01.83
Brian Keiper
Witness relocation program and I mean it's bizarre. So hell yeah, well in the problem now I don't think so I I don't I don't have any frame of reference to know. So yeah, yeah, sure, what's ah.
01:38:12.33
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:38:18.86
mikechumpchange
My mom is famous for saying like oh my goodness if we paired to do now like we did in the 70 s and eighty s we'd all go to prison. It's like that's right mom and all my aunts. That's right god love you? Um, so yeah, that's let's talk about the kids. Let's talk about the teens in this movie and i.
01:38:20.76
Brian Keiper
A.
01:38:25.18
Brian Keiper
The. Yeah, yeah.
01:38:38.14
mikechumpchange
Don't necessarily know their names. So I gave them some nicknames. So let me kind of run through some of them here for you I have ah dungeons and dragons which one of them is Keith Gordon the 2 nerdy kids.
01:38:39.68
Trace
That.
01:38:51.52
mikechumpchange
I had Miss Amity runner up she is the one that is on the boat with the rest of the kids like she looks like the girl who won Miss Amity but didn't quite win I had buff. Yes, yep, yeah, so people also call her Jesus freak. Um.
01:39:01.90
Trace
Way is she is she the blond girl that like pray to God and stuff. Okay, yeah yep, Ah, ah.
01:39:08.37
mikechumpchange
I had Buff Shelley from Friday the thirteenth part three ah and then mayor Vaughn's kid is the love child of Mark Wahlberg and Nelson Muntz ah like he looks like him so and then there's the kid with the scalliccap who I really like like he actually looked like a kid I went to.
01:39:12.18
Rachel Reeves
Yep yep.
01:39:13.78
Brian Keiper
Ah, yeah, totally.
01:39:16.89
Trace
Yes, oh my Oh this is fun.
01:39:27.31
mikechumpchange
Elementary school with but no one would get the reference if I said he looks like Steve peaslack like nobody would know who that is so that's Bob okay was so he cu he doesn't die in this. He's.
01:39:32.50
Trace
Oh that's Bob that's the one whos supported to whose death scene is like removed from the film. Yeah yeah, well so I'd have to look at it again to see but like it's very much a um like do you see him get to cable junction I don't know. But.
01:39:46.55
mikechumpchange
You do because he's resting on the rocks going. Thank God Thank God You have the picture up here. Okay yeah, so say this is very exciting for our listeners right now but you know.
01:39:49.76
Trace
Okay, this this won't help. Yeah, this will help listeners. But yeah, like click that it it but but you can see the shot at him on his boat as the shark is coming for him.
01:40:04.53
mikechumpchange
Let's see yup there it is is that him I don't see the hat I Only know him by the hat. So that's a good point. Okay, excellent, okay, excellent. And then there is.
01:40:08.77
Rachel Reeves
Well, the hat probably fell off no, that's him that's him.
01:40:10.83
Brian Keiper
Oh okay.
01:40:10.85
Trace
Um, wait. Well yeah, but look yeah it is Billy vansant as Bob.
01:40:20.84
mikechumpchange
The horny teens like Eddie and I don't remember I just remember as latino. Okay, so yeah I just that's how I know these kids as but I will say even though they're not like the best developed group the movie does go out of the way to make them very sympathetic like they're a pretty likable group.
01:40:24.41
Trace
Tina.
01:40:40.65
mikechumpchange
I really like that when they are stranded on the ocean like all of them are pulling together. They're all working with 1 another. They're all trying to save one another. It's really well done and I think that like it kind of wants to be american graffiti on boats like Gottlieb said like he wrote this with american yeah, he's.
01:40:47.90
Trace
Ah.
01:40:57.44
Trace
Yeah.
01:40:58.90
Brian Keiper
Yeah, the cruising culture stuff. Yeah, ah.
01:41:00.21
mikechumpchange
Yeah, and gottlees like I don't think there's a cruising culture for sailing but it sounded really fun. So why not do it I think it does a really good job of showing like if you're a kid on this island. It probably does get boring after a while like you get shitty weather for six months of the year
01:41:05.35
Brian Keiper
Yeah.
01:41:18.00
mikechumpchange
You get a couple months of nice summer weather and then but there's not much to do except like sail a boat and go on the ocean.
01:41:23.63
Trace
The hearth.
01:41:24.69
Rachel Reeves
And he they're all like they retain their likeability because like when Shelley's like drinking the punch is like oh did your mom do all this yeah did she make the punch. No okay, good because it sucks like you know, but like checks to make sure that like I'm not going to insult you know his mom like I'm going to make sure. Okay, great.
01:41:35.23
Trace
But.
01:41:42.40
mikechumpchange
Um.
01:41:43.17
Trace
Well and it's also like I mean cause here's the thing like I maybe go excuse the 1 dimensional characters. Um, but although that does kind of like it's a kind of a trade of the slasher films right? I granted had this film been all about the kids instead of having like the the third act be about the kids that would have been remeyed. Um.
01:41:43.55
Rachel Reeves
It's terrible.
01:41:50.81
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:41:53.22
Rachel Reeves
Um.
01:41:59.76
Trace
But I almost yeah I I almost don't mind it because yeah I do find all these kids likable even Jackie Screamer as she is um I just wish more than would have died. That's my only big gripe with the third axis film.
01:42:03.98
mikechumpchange
yeah yeah yeah I think Jackie would have been a bit redeemed if we saw that Bob Bitten in half like you could understand her screaming gets to be a bit much after a bit like okay, there's nothing going on right now like you need to cool your jets a little bit.
01:42:07.50
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:42:17.10
Trace
Oh yeah.
01:42:21.22
Rachel Reeves
She commits to it though. She's got like ah like she looks like she is really screwed. She is just like shaking her head and just like really free. She really she goes for it.
01:42:23.14
mikechumpchange
And Jack she does. Yeah yeah know you know and.
01:42:26.75
Trace
I Got that page boy to ah.
01:42:34.89
mikechumpchange
You know like Shelley's a good friend Shelley is trying to keep Mike out of trouble like he's the 1 thing like we don't even need to go so let's just hang on the beach and like try to pick up girls like he doesn't want to see his friend get in trouble and Jackie is the one who's like do you do everything your father tells you it's like oh Jackie what do you.
01:42:41.26
Trace
Yeah.
01:42:41.48
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:42:51.22
mikechumpchange
What do you do in here. Why we acting like this. Um.
01:42:53.33
Trace
That's kind of the funny thing right? like she's kind of a bad girl and then she just like they kind of lose that character trade to her but but I kind of buy into it right? like she puts on a tough act because she's never but stalked by a shark before.
01:42:54.53
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:43:03.10
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:43:03.48
mikechumpchange
Um, well like look look if I'm getting stalked by a shark I'm freaking out. Okay I am not going to be poised I am probably probably screaming my head off to so what do I I once when I was cooking outside on my deck. Some bees came out and I just screamed bees at the top of my lung ran in the house and said get your coat. We're going out to eat tonight. So what do I know about bravery and I'll say like the the 1 thing I'll say is the stuff with Brody.
01:43:27.17
Brian Keiper
Are.
01:43:33.76
Trace
Um, as it.
01:43:40.60
mikechumpchange
And the stuff with the teens if I have a fault in the movie. It does feel like they're filming 2 completely separate movies like they don't feel together and I wonder how much of that is like scheider being kind of a dick on set.
01:43:44.91
Trace
Um.
01:43:47.17
Trace
Yeah.
01:43:56.55
mikechumpchange
And they're like all right? we kind of got to keep these guys apart from one another like I don't want him to poison it for because it does feel like there are 2 separate movies that are going on everything with a brody in the town in everything with the teenagers which is kind of teenage life to a certain degree like kids go off and do their own thing and.
01:43:59.91
Trace
M.
01:44:00.40
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:44:11.53
Trace
Right.
01:44:16.80
mikechumpchange
Have their own secret little world and do whatever they want but it feels too separate from one another.
01:44:21.36
Trace
I think to I mean like this movie's almost two hours I mean it's 5 minutes shy of 2 hours and granted the first one I think is is 2 hours but but um, there are a couple pacing issues like there are scenes I do think that drag in this movie and so I think a tighter edit would maybe fix some of these issues.
01:44:21.93
Rachel Reeves
Yes, yeah.
01:44:25.63
mikechumpchange
Um, just over it.
01:44:31.87
mikechumpchange
yeah yeah I I paused it last night when it gets to like Brody getting on the police boat and going out I'm like there is still 40 minutes left in this movie like it shocked me that said.
01:44:35.82
Rachel Reeves
I agree.
01:44:48.99
mikechumpchange
This is a great third act like this is a lot of fun I would say that like ah Eddie's death is worthy of every it is good as anything in jaws like that is a phenomenally film death. That's really tense. It's scary and it is super violent like him getting like. Lammed into the boat and then holding it so hard. He pulls a chunk of it off when we get dragged out that's fucking. Awesome now.
01:45:11.24
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:45:11.37
Trace
That also his breathing doing his yelling Fortina his like and but yeah, oh it. It feels like viscerally real. Yeah, what? okay.
01:45:15.50
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:45:19.39
Rachel Reeves
Just know God Yes and it feels traumatic like and then she's like catatonic like curled up in the boat and it's like I can understand that.
01:45:20.11
Brian Keiper
And.
01:45:24.35
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, and I think we.
01:45:30.60
Brian Keiper
Yeah, right? yeah.
01:45:31.37
Trace
I don't know if you'll remember this but like a month ago or something on Twitter there was all these like oh like show your like most like realistic portrayal of fear in a movie this girl who plays Tina is like I buy her fears this goes fucked for life.
01:45:36.17
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:45:41.10
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:45:41.42
mikechumpchange
Um, oh yeah, yep, she's just hiding in the hiding in the bow boat basically making herself as small as possible and like the makeup work they do in her like when they pull her out of that boat like she is ashen like she is.
01:45:46.78
Brian Keiper
Ah.
01:45:52.90
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:45:56.96
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:45:59.86
Trace
Ah.
01:46:00.50
mikechumpchange
Terror Struck you're right? and that's it's a great moment. Absolutely think that is worthy of anything that you see in the first jaws. They really like how all that is done. You mentioned how like the breathing and like that real visceral terror from what I read like the actor who played.
01:46:08.12
Trace
E.
01:46:18.81
mikechumpchange
Eddie was not necessarily a very strong swimmer so he's yeah so he's probably very afraid when he's out there right? I mean I I'm not a great swimmer and if I'm in over my head like so even in a pool I get nervous because I'm like I'm not that good a swimmer. So.
01:46:21.57
Trace
Ah, he couldn't swim. Um.
01:46:21.62
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
01:46:25.98
Trace
Yeah.
01:46:36.76
mikechumpchange
Forget about being in cold and choppy waters and trying to like get your Mark basically in the ocean to get eaten by a shark like that's scary shit now. What do we think some of the big moments in this movie.
01:46:40.96
Brian Keiper
Ah.
01:46:44.39
Trace
Yeah.
01:46:46.92
Rachel Reeves
Terrifying.
01:46:48.65
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:46:51.45
mikechumpchange
Movie involving the kids like ah the helicopter scene is utterly ridiculous yet I Love it. Um, yeah.
01:46:54.62
Rachel Reeves
Amazing.
01:46:57.37
Trace
It's yeah it it is kind of a jump the shark moment but I kind of don't care like I I do The one thing I hate about is it is kind of like jaws too is become Oh yeah, that's the one where jaws eats a helicopter and I kind of hate that it gets reduced to that a lot when people talk about it. Um.
01:46:57.38
Brian Keiper
Who.
01:47:13.69
Trace
But it's still really good. Also there's that deleted same where you do see the shark like get him underwater and I wish they would have kept that in but they were trying to not get the R rating.
01:47:18.61
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, yeah, it needs to be a Pg movie like it definitely needs to still be a Pg movie.
01:47:22.84
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:47:24.30
Trace
And.
01:47:25.64
Brian Keiper
And they were probably going to you know because I feel like jaws skates by on the skin of its teeth to get the Pg or you know there's some. There's some ah you know back room shenanigans going on to get that Pg rating for for jaws.
01:47:33.15
Trace
Oh yeah.
01:47:36.65
mikechumpchange
Um.
01:47:45.62
Brian Keiper
Ah, so they weren't going to let that happen for jaws too and you can kind of see that because there aren't you know there aren't legs you know, floating to the bottom of the ocean and things like that. Yeah, right, right? There's not you know quint you know that spray of blood coming out of his mouth. You know and that sort of thing. Um.
01:47:50.34
mikechumpchange
No no.
01:47:51.22
Trace
I was there aren't severed heads popping out of boats.
01:47:55.89
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:47:58.40
Trace
The blood. Yeah.
01:48:05.17
Brian Keiper
But you know I So I imagine the Mpa was like yeah not going to happen this time folks.
01:48:09.33
Trace
But isn't it kind of silly though I mean I'm going to pull in psycho as a comparison here because psycho is an r rated film. It's so bizarre then you got jaws as Pg yeah.
01:48:15.98
Brian Keiper
Which is bullshit I know I know I don't understand. Yeah I mean it doesn't make any sense.
01:48:21.39
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:48:23.82
Trace
It doesn't make any sense.
01:48:26.30
mikechumpchange
The Mpa never makes any sense with some of their decision making like it's still to this day. It's confounding like what's going to get and I think with Jas they had to trim a little bit of the leg bouncing. It couldn't bounce on the ocean floor but all right? Well we can trim a little.
01:48:35.00
Rachel Reeves
Are.
01:48:40.53
Trace
But you still see like the cut you see the meat at the end of this severed leg. Well but well the thing is with psycho though they rated it in the 80 s as an r rated film because it never had an mpa rating before that's like even in the 80 s y'all looked at this and y'all said yep, are.
01:48:45.86
mikechumpchange
And the bits are up I mean use know.
01:48:45.99
Brian Keiper
The f.
01:48:46.90
Rachel Reeves
It's because Norman Bates dressed up like his mom.
01:48:54.85
Brian Keiper
Right? I think that was on reputation. Honestly, yeah yeah, psycho the was you know in the 80 s revered as you know like the great you know.
01:48:56.64
mikechumpchange
Yeah, Rated R Yeah yeah dup.
01:48:59.21
Trace
I Think so too.
01:49:03.77
Rachel Reeves
That's probably true at that point they're like oh this is a classic horror movie.
01:49:09.95
mikechumpchange
Yeah, frenzy is far more violent and far more sexual and like with yeah with frenzy you would like if if Hitchcock didn't have the hays code to work with all those years you see like this is the kind of movie hitchcock would have made.
01:49:12.19
Trace
Yeah, yeah.
01:49:12.63
Rachel Reeves
Her.
01:49:13.25
Brian Keiper
Horror film of all time right? And ah yeah, absolutely and that that actually owns its our rating. So yeah.
01:49:28.40
Brian Keiper
Absolutely.
01:49:29.29
mikechumpchange
For years he would but a much and I wonder how his reputation would have been if that and I love frenzy I think frenzy is really underrated and it should be discussed as a proto slasher very much like Black Christmas should be but it is awesome, but it is violent and factual.
01:49:38.78
Brian Keiper
I agree.
01:49:44.48
Trace
Um, I've never seen this and I didn't even know it was an rated film. So I'm really excited to check this out.
01:49:47.80
Brian Keiper
Yeah I agree. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's it's ah you know like I wrote a piece on it for bloody disgusting and I was just so revisiting. It was like man this this movie real I mean.
01:49:49.10
mikechumpchange
Ah, definitely check it I think you would dig it it. It's.
01:49:57.37
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, it goes hard. Yeah yeah, it Yeah, give it a whirl. No.
01:50:00.91
Trace
Good. Oh oh my everything you're saying is making me want to watch this more and more. Yeah yeah.
01:50:03.76
Brian Keiper
There's some things a kind of like last house on the left kind of a you know? Yeah I mean it's not as it's not as brutal as that, but it's ah yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:12.45
Rachel Reeves
Ah, so Glass house is brutal.
01:50:13.80
mikechumpchange
But it's it's it's great. Um I thought too like the sequence when everything goes to shit for the kids like when the boats go out of control when they start slamming into 1 another like that is a hard thing to pull off and make look coherent and it works like it is a great sequence of real.
01:50:28.31
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:50:30.87
Trace
Well the and there's two because yeah, so when it first happens you know you have the the 1 kid he's like you know trying to pump the air in his thing and it kind of comes out of nowhere but you know you have the buildup as it we get the p ob get the shark again but I love it again too later I think this is maybe when Marge dies.
01:50:31.98
Brian Keiper
And.
01:50:32.24
mikechumpchange
Mayhem.
01:50:38.22
Brian Keiper
Right.
01:50:40.70
mikechumpchange
Who.
01:50:47.97
Trace
They're just talking and talking and talking and all of a sudden with no buildup the shark like comes up through one of the boat's fabrics that is a great buck and scare.
01:50:51.30
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
01:50:53.80
Brian Keiper
Right.
01:50:54.15
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah, no it works. It's very it definitely works that Marge is the one who gets swallowed whole correct. That's a great fucking death.
01:51:00.74
Trace
Yeah, this here's the thing if I was an actor in one of these movies because this is on par with the guy in the first movie who's in the pond and you use the shark like but the severed leg guy I don't want to be in the water with a mechanical shark like this this I would be so.
01:51:13.30
mikechumpchange
Um.
01:51:17.20
mikechumpchange
Um, yep.
01:51:18.76
Trace
But even it it doesn't look like a real shark I don't care I would be terrified and the fact that in one shot this is a 1 single shot thing this shark comes and you see it gope her and then she is gone. Ah, ah.
01:51:29.28
mikechumpchange
Yeah, yeah, it's a great like out of nowhere death. It's a great horror movie death and I think that's if jaws is more of an adventure film with a lot of horror elements or a horror movie. Leans towards adventure I think that jaws too which much more of a straightforward horror movie and you have just real scary violence in it I think works really? Well just to see where when they're trying to pull Michael over the side of the boat and the shark is coming and it comes along the side of that boat.
01:51:58.59
Trace
Ah, so good.
01:52:01.79
mikechumpchange
That is a great like and it took them forever to get that shot like they could not get the timing of it right? and like you could see if you're pulling that dude up and and you don't get him and that thing weighs I think about 2 tons is what they say like.
01:52:17.44
Rachel Reeves
Oh.
01:52:17.93
Trace
Right? um.
01:52:19.67
mikechumpchange
Yeah, like that's like going to be like getting hit by a small bus like that's pretty dangerous if you don't get that right? like you're in some real danger trying to execute that stunt. Um, yeah.
01:52:20.65
Trace
Who.
01:52:22.21
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:52:25.77
Trace
And and it looks kind of goofy because it when it rubs up against the belt like its mouth like kind of goes like this but but but it's such I'm a sucker for like close calls in horror films and so even though it looks stupid I'm so like amped up from like Mike's foot
01:52:32.97
Brian Keiper
Right? right.
01:52:34.48
Rachel Reeves
Ah.
01:52:38.99
mikechumpchange
Vu.
01:52:40.99
Brian Keiper
Um.
01:52:43.74
mikechumpchange
Yes, yeah, so what? any.
01:52:44.60
Trace
Barely missing this Shark's mouth I don't even care.
01:52:45.27
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:52:45.39
Brian Keiper
Sure and I like the look of the shark in this in this one I mean the shark in in jaws the first one is kind of iconic because I mean he's got you know like the big jowls he's got like Nixon jowls and you know is to.
01:52:49.73
Trace
Ever.
01:52:57.15
mikechumpchange
Zoom.
01:52:57.60
Trace
Yeah.
01:53:01.77
Brian Keiper
You know to hide the big bolts that were holding the jaw on and they you know so they were able to fix that for the second one so it looks actually a little bit more like a real shark to be honest and um, ah but you know like you were saying Rachel about the byrne scar and you know, kind of having a mask like it's almost like Freddy Kruger
01:53:03.71
Trace
Um.
01:53:04.15
mikechumpchange
Yep, who? yeah.
01:53:08.36
Trace
Um, yeah.
01:53:17.23
mikechumpchange
Over.
01:53:19.22
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:53:20.11
Brian Keiper
Um, in a way it's It's ah it's a cool, um sort of you know there's no other Shark movie where the shark looks like that you know so it's a.
01:53:25.48
Trace
Um, yeah, yeah.
01:53:27.17
mikechumpchange
I I think my favorite shot of it. It's a small little moment but when the shark first swims into the bay and you see it from above like you see the body of it swimming and then you see the fin pop up like it's stalking its territory of amity and nobody else.
01:53:37.76
Trace
The.
01:53:38.38
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:53:46.35
mikechumpchange
Sees it I think is one of the best little moments in the movie like it's a very it's unnerving like you know it's going to get worse from here I Think that's great. Um.
01:53:53.53
Brian Keiper
Yeah.
01:53:54.34
Trace
I'm a sucker for those overhead shots I mean I mean like not to go back to Eddie to Eddie's death but like you know there's that overhead shot of the boat as you see the shark go under Tina's boat and you go to go towards him that again I think that's fan like a great shot.
01:54:00.74
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
01:54:03.64
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:54:04.77
mikechumpchange
Now all right I know we're coming up on time. So I want to end with this like 1 of the big legacies actually before I do that anything else anything else. You guys want to bring up that was important.
01:54:20.30
Trace
Um, not and doesn nothing to be conversation. But I really hate that the girl who prays to Jesus lives because honestly the fact that the sharkist swims by her um is stupid.
01:54:26.89
mikechumpchange
Yeah, yeah I think that would have been great. It's so mean spirited if like she's doing an our father and then gets chomped into like that would have been you know.
01:54:30.55
Rachel Reeves
Um, that that's funny.
01:54:32.48
Brian Keiper
I.
01:54:36.30
Trace
It would have been too mean. But um I do like the I like the realism though because you know when it it grazes her and it cuts her side because the fact is that sharks. It's at skin. It's like yeah, it's almost like sampaper the way they are if it goes against you So like that is an accurate perception of what would happen to you if the shark actually touched you by.
01:54:38.61
Rachel Reeves
Ah God can't save you a bitch.
01:54:43.80
mikechumpchange
Brazil.
01:54:46.41
Brian Keiper
Their skin. Yeah, right? yeah.
01:54:48.40
mikechumpchange
Yeah, well.
01:54:50.30
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah.
01:54:55.45
mikechumpchange
Um.
01:54:55.68
Trace
I don't buy that this supernatural Shark Monster just swims by her because she's praying to Jesus.
01:55:01.80
mikechumpchange
Right now. How should a pray to Satan and see what happens there. Um, so one of the lasting legacies of Jaws is all the movies that Inspires really all the movies that rip ah rip it off like.
01:55:02.64
Rachel Reeves
It's good point.
01:55:07.82
Trace
Ah.
01:55:15.89
mikechumpchange
You guys have any like favorites like any notable imitators of the original anything that really jumps out.
01:55:19.45
Brian Keiper
Well well one of the things I always thought was ok so is the dead killer whale a swipe at the rip offs because it's like hey orca came out and you know Dino D Laurentis is movie.
01:55:30.13
Trace
Ah.
01:55:34.92
Trace
Um, her.
01:55:38.40
Brian Keiper
Ah, and here a note jaws are Shark eats it and kills it. You know I always wondered if that was kind of a swipe at that. Um, yeah.
01:55:41.59
mikechumpchange
Move.
01:55:47.83
mikechumpchange
Um, maybe that's a good call.
01:55:48.71
Rachel Reeves
Or just I just always read it as like because the boat the Orca and it's like oh like you thought you were done with this but I'm not I'm still here. Yeah yeah.
01:55:53.14
mikechumpchange
Yes.
01:55:55.83
Trace
Or all of the above. Um, yeah I've I've never seen Orca I will be remitting that very soon though I've always heard tentacles is really fine. Um I'm a sucker for alligator I think Alligator is one of the best Vo boths.
01:55:56.16
Brian Keiper
Oh yeah, that's true too. Yeah, um, yeah, yeah.
01:55:59.16
mikechumpchange
So yeah.
01:56:10.40
Brian Keiper
It's a movie love of alligator. Yeah, that was the one I was going to mention alligators. Great.
01:56:12.40
Rachel Reeves
Um I Love Alligator alligator. So funny.
01:56:14.51
mikechumpchange
I love piranana I love Joe Dante's perta I think that's a lot of fun. That's a really good end. They know he does. Yeah.
01:56:14.62
Trace
Yeah, oh man, Oh yeah.
01:56:21.39
Rachel Reeves
Um, and perha even the second one James Cameron directs that one's that one's one. Yes, that one's fun too.
01:56:23.15
Brian Keiper
Um.
01:56:26.46
Trace
The spawning.
01:56:28.30
Brian Keiper
Sure I might even argue that Kujo to some extent is a jaws rip off um though I really like that it's I and the thing is calling these movies a rip off is sort of like well yeah, but.
01:56:32.80
mikechumpchange
Moon.
01:56:36.60
Trace
Um, yeah.
01:56:42.19
Trace
Well did what what did wasn't Alien described as Jaws in space. Yeah.
01:56:44.87
Brian Keiper
They're still pretty good. You know aliens are rip. Yeah well I think alien of more is more of Halloween in space. but but yeah it has been definitely called that for sure. Yeah.
01:56:46.46
mikechumpchange
Oh death.
01:56:52.99
Rachel Reeves
Creature attack movies.
01:56:55.10
Trace
I mean I'm a sucker for creature features and here like I feel like inherently creature features are looked at as B movies like they're kind of can'ty and silly I actually do appreciate when a creature feature goes like no, we're serious and this is scary like.
01:56:55.19
mikechumpchange
I need I Need you know.
01:57:08.47
mikechumpchange
Vu.
01:57:10.42
Trace
I Think crawl from a couple years ago which has can't be moments. But I think it's a really effective like thrill ride of a film and and as you said oh actually, that's that's great though because you know um I think the first one.
01:57:10.60
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, right? and like 47 was it forty seven meters down like both of those I think are pretty good.
01:57:11.90
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah.
01:57:13.91
mikechumpchange
That's a great movie. Yeah yeah.
01:57:14.95
Brian Keiper
Um, crawls really good. Yeah.
01:57:17.51
mikechumpchange
Who out.
01:57:25.27
Trace
I know people hate the ending of forty seven meters down but I think that like that movie I remember watching it and I couldn't breathe because I was so like scared by this movie. But then the second one does take a camp be approach the second one's basically a Friday the thirteenth movie underwater which I also really love.
01:57:28.54
Rachel Reeves
Yeah, it's scary.
01:57:37.92
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
01:57:38.44
mikechumpchange
I need to watch both of those and I have a I have a goal this summer of watching like a hundred new to me movies and I'm going to put both of those down and maybe throw them onto the basement later.
01:57:40.80
Brian Keiper
I haven't seen either 1 Yeah.
01:57:50.60
Trace
Ah, it's I for that the first one again. The third act is divisive because something happens that people don't like I don't mind it I think it works because there are so some amazing set pieces in it. The second one's dumb as fuck and it's.
01:57:55.30
mikechumpchange
Um.
01:57:58.30
mikechumpchange
M.
01:58:03.40
Trace
It it is the strangers to to the strangers one like that. That's what those 2 movies are like yeah um, yeah, also Jamie Fox's daughter in it.
01:58:04.57
mikechumpchange
Okay, so like the second one's more fun and can't need. Okay I need to watch who wow excellent I need to watch grizzly.
01:58:09.66
Rachel Reeves
You get sliced. Stallone's daughter in it all the up some some nepo babies.
01:58:18.94
Brian Keiper
Never babies.
01:58:19.20
Trace
Who.
01:58:23.10
mikechumpchange
Ah, because a I've heard. It's actually decent but also we actually have a black bear that's been roaming our neighborhood the past couple weeks like I have a picture of it. It is outside of our house like standing in front of our driveway and I'm like well that's fucking freaky that there's a bear running around but it's a black bear. So allegedly.
01:58:27.33
Rachel Reeves
Oh gosh.
01:58:30.59
Trace
Um, ah.
01:58:41.84
mikechumpchange
It will more or less stay to itself and I just don't want it to wander into the busy street and hopefully it's all right I have not.
01:58:45.36
Trace
Yeah, wait I'm sorry how is this connected I'm I'm dying to know I've never seen it. Oh.
01:58:47.24
Rachel Reeves
Um, have you guys seen prophecy.
01:58:51.35
Brian Keiper
Um, yes, ah.
01:58:53.15
Rachel Reeves
Oh I think it's good. You don't you think? yeah, it's like a mut and bear. Oh my gosh. It's It's amazing. It's got to help. It's no christopher walk. No.
01:58:56.88
Brian Keiper
The mutant bear. Yeah John Frankenheimer movie yeah ah yeah, it's some. It's some not to be not to be confused with the prophecy the ah mrpher walk in movies. You know it's some totally different.
01:58:57.99
mikechumpchange
Um, okay.
01:59:01.81
mikechumpchange
Excellent. Yeah.
01:59:10.17
Trace
Um, ah oh okay, I've okay we I.
01:59:10.95
mikechumpchange
I I really love how Rachel's like it's it's amazing and Bryant's like it's something. Ah.
01:59:14.20
Brian Keiper
Ah.
01:59:17.50
Rachel Reeves
It's it's got and a it's got a moment that I was literally like oh.
01:59:17.60
Brian Keiper
No I think I actually I I Really like that movie I Really like it.
01:59:21.76
Trace
Okay, wait I'm I'm looking at the poster for a it's very reminiscent reminiscent of the broods poster but I love so it's literally Prophecy and right below it. It says the monster movie.
01:59:26.99
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
01:59:27.80
Brian Keiper
Yes, it is.
01:59:37.94
Brian Keiper
And it is the monster movie. Yeah, it's it's it's ah I recently saw deep rising and kind of dug that. Yeah.
01:59:39.67
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah, and it's got Talia Shire in it speaking of sly and yes.
01:59:40.26
mikechumpchange
Ah, so.
01:59:41.71
Trace
Shit.
01:59:43.15
mikechumpchange
Wow! All right.
01:59:47.94
Trace
Oh hell yeah out. Okay, honestly, then we also know how horror was dead in the 90 s right? Um, but if you look at the creature features like relic anaconda deep blue sea deep rising like.
01:59:49.28
Rachel Reeves
Um, yeah, steep Rising's fun.
01:59:54.62
Brian Keiper
Right? Yeah, a ralic rules.
01:59:56.11
Rachel Reeves
Um, yes, mimic.
02:00:01.96
Trace
So many amazing creature features and I love all of them like anacondas One of my favorite movies of all time I don't care what anyone says.
02:00:09.30
mikechumpchange
Brian I put a actophobia on my list of things to watch after your episode on movies are light. So yeah I've never seen it.
02:00:09.68
Trace
Yes.
02:00:11.23
Rachel Reeves
Um I don't I don't I kill it's it's fine but I can't watch. Yeah.
02:00:14.93
Brian Keiper
Ah, really yeah, that's like that's a terrific movie. It's a lot of fun. It is it it it bothers Seriously that movie scares me more than any other movie that is out there. Yeah, it totally is yeah.
02:00:20.29
Trace
It's that that that traumatized me as a kid but but it's also really funny like that movie Juggles tone masterfully.
02:00:21.10
mikechumpchange
Okay, I've heard so many people say that. So. Excellent. So I feel like if there were if Jaws was a release now and you had all of these other movies released and it's in its wake that you would have a studio try to do its own shared universe like the animals will arise and it would be like.
02:00:29.56
Rachel Reeves
Guess.
02:00:32.73
Brian Keiper
Yeah, yeah.
02:00:44.30
Brian Keiper
Um, f.
02:00:45.19
mikechumpchange
The avengers of scary animal movies like something like that would have to happen all right I think we can put jaws to to bed I think that was a really fun discussion on this movie which is a blast to talk about and sometimes like these.
02:00:46.50
Rachel Reeves
Yes.
02:00:47.80
Brian Keiper
We are.
02:00:48.40
Trace
Just.
02:00:59.48
mikechumpchange
I hate even saying lesser than but like some of these movies that aren't super highly regarded end up being the most fun to talk about but before we go today. Let's talk about what we all have coming up so trace tell us what's going on with horror queers and what you and Joe have in the works because.
02:01:07.80
Trace
Um.
02:01:16.80
mikechumpchange
You basically like this is your job at this point like horror queer says.
02:01:19.56
Trace
it it it very much is my job I still have a day job. But I one day the hope is one day I will not have to have a day job. Ah no, so actually it's funny. Ah, the episode we have coming out this week is going to be on Alfred Hitchcock Psycho which is um.
02:01:23.43
mikechumpchange
V.
02:01:34.51
Trace
Ah, was a big task because whenever we talk about like a film like that I'm like what what can we possibly say about psycho that hasn't already been said. So I think we try to put our own spin on it. Um I do want to plug though we covered insidious chapter 2 a couple weeks ago um and we got really great guests in the boulet brothers to talk talk about that film.
02:01:38.40
Rachel Reeves
Yeah.
02:01:39.60
mikechumpchange
Um, yeah.
02:01:39.89
Brian Keiper
Um.
02:01:47.74
mikechumpchange
Um, excellent.
02:01:49.60
Rachel Reeves
Amazing.
02:01:49.78
Brian Keiper
Oh cool. Yeah.
02:01:52.90
Trace
So I think it turned out really well and again, that's a movie that um, a movie that came out in 2013 that repurposes the plot of sleep away camp for a modern audience and it is problematic but also kind of fascinating in that way that I really appreciate.
02:02:04.10
mikechumpchange
Excellent and where can everyone find horror queers and find you online and also because a lot of your content. Your best content is on Patreon so can you tell us where if people find your show and enjoy it where else can they find it.
02:02:17.25
Trace
Yeah, no, so we are part of bloody fm formerly the bloody disgusting podcast network so you can find us on bloody disgusting find the horror queries podcast anywhere you get your podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts whoever the fuck um and then on all socials we are at horror queries. If you want to just follow me I am at trace d as in dog Thurmond that's my first name last name with a d in the middle. Um, and yeah Patreon please I've give us money. We love that. Ah, it is patreon.com/horrorqueries. Ah basically what we do there is we we covered new release films there? Um, so you know. Um, the main feed which is free for everyone. We talk about various films through a queer lands be they explicitly queer implicitly queer if they have queer creators on them. We will always cover that ah but for the Patreon we will talk about new films coming out. So of course this month we have episodes on insidious the red door bird box barcelona and ah the new movie cobweb with Lizzie Kaplan that's coming out.
02:03:03.80
mikechumpchange
Excellent.
02:03:12.75
Trace
Um, so yeah, it's ah it's a fun time I come to hear us 2 gay guys talk about movies. It's fun.
02:03:17.36
mikechumpchange
Excellent and I love the show I actually am going to be like signing up for a bunch of patrons up by the end of the summer paying down a couple bills and then can finally give some people some of my money. So I hope you that's one of their yeah no problem. We all do.
02:03:28.26
Trace
Well I do love money. So thank you in advance.
02:03:35.10
mikechumpchange
Rachel how about yourself. Do you love money and also where can now that's Rachel what do you? What do you have coming up with halloweeniess and girls on the boys and losers' club and your writing and everything else all the things.
02:03:38.11
Rachel Reeves
That's I mean who does that right? yes.
02:03:41.53
Brian Keiper
Ah.
02:03:42.42
Trace
Um.
02:03:49.79
Rachel Reeves
all the things yes all ah lots of things going on losers club. They just wrapped up just after sunset that short story collection and some really interesting conversations around that and then halloweenies were trudging through the child's play. Franchise and we'll have we have a great episode coming up that will be released soon on seed of Chucky with bloody disgustings rainna cervantes so that'll be that's I mean love her so that'll be a fun conversation and then um and you can find both of those shows on bloody fm.
02:04:12.19
Trace
Oh.
02:04:23.35
Rachel Reeves
And then on the girls on the boys me and Jen Adams were just about to wrap up season. 1 of the Amazon series the boys. We just had an episode drop on the penultimate episode of season 1 so if you're a boys fan. You can check that out and that's on the anatomy of a scream. Pod Squad feed confine me on Instagram and threads I guess um at the vinyl girl g r r r l and um on Twitter at vinylgirl.
02:04:42.15
mikechumpchange
Excellent and where can everyone find you.
02:04:51.21
Trace
Nah.
02:04:56.36
mikechumpchange
Excellent Brian what's going on with the movies for lifepod and what do you have coming up for your writing right now.
02:05:06.45
Brian Keiper
Ah, yeah, well, um, we just released not well I guess a couple weeks ago now our episode on Jaws and arachnophobia which I think is one of our episodes where I went. Yeah I like this one. This is a really good one I think I was proud of how that one turned out. Um, we've slowed down a little bit on the main episodes during the summer so and I swear we didn't we weren't copying pod in the pendulum when we decided to do this but we're doing our horror of the year so far episode is going to be coming out this week ah so here every here. What I thought of ah.
02:05:32.78
mikechumpchange
Excellent, excellent.
02:05:33.65
Trace
Hit the.
02:05:40.10
Brian Keiper
Everything from cocaine bear to infinity pool. Um, so um, and then as far as writing goes I had a piece come out on bloody disgusting about one of the great years of Stephen King adaptations 1983 so I wrote about Kujo the dead zone and Christine and that's up there bloody disgusting and then ah manner vellum my latest I don't even know what number it is right now off the top of my head. Of the series I'm doing on the history of Frankenstein movies came out and it's all about the universal sequels so bride of Frankenstein through house of Dracula and it got chosen to be part of medium's boost program. Um, which is pretty cool. First time that's happened to me. So.
02:06:21.29
mikechumpchange
Wonderful.
02:06:31.40
mikechumpchange
That's great, very cool and and we'll be talking I believe like Frankenstein bride of Frankenstein. We'll be doing that I think after we wrap up saw right? I think we decided that was gonna be.
02:06:33.89
Brian Keiper
Excited that that happened so.
02:06:45.19
Brian Keiper
I think so yeah and you know you can you can count me in for all 3 of those I will be yeah and yeah, yeah, it's like because who else is going to come on and talk about him right? I'm I'm just kidding.
02:06:46.79
mikechumpchange
Next we're gonna do the car La frankensons. Oh I know I know absolutely know that? Yeah, that's right.
02:07:04.24
Brian Keiper
I Hope other people will because I I think those are great movies I hope more people come and take a look at too. Um, yeah, um.
02:07:05.38
mikechumpchange
I think so oh I think so that'll be interesting because it's always fascinating like what movies do really well like where we pick up and what really does well for us and but I think Frank and sin is classic enough that that should do well.
02:07:17.91
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah, yeah.
02:07:23.81
mikechumpchange
Right listeners for us and I'll I'll move quickly here for listeners. Thank you so much for listening if you like what you've heard today. Please take a moment in an easy way to support the show and a free way to support the show is to rate us review us and subscribe to us wherever you're getting your podcasts so we would greatly appreciate that.
02:07:27.30
Trace
They're good.
02:07:43.16
mikechumpchange
Helps us find new listeners and it's also like getting a a 5 star review like only 5 stars and a few words like lets us know we're on the right track. We also like money I'm not going to lie to you. We also like money who who doesn't so one great way to support the show is to go to our our relaunched Patreon Page patreon.com/pot and the pendulum where we are putting up bonus episodes as this episode goes live Stephen and I recorded on film noir classic the killers from 1946 later this month we will have episodes up on Shark Nato we're doing a. Commentary on that movie where Arieel Steve and I are watching it for the first time while drinking and commenting on the movie as it plays and we will also have our rental shelf out there where we give our recommendations but starts at a couple bucks go to patreon.com/thepod and the pendulum follow us on the socials Twitter at pod and the pendulum I think I'll be handing off the reins to someone to actually promote the show even without that even with like me doing maybe 2 tweets a week under that thanks to a ton our old listeners and our new ones like the show has grown. Exponentially, it's hitting some numbers I didn't think we were going to hit and it's a little indie that moves on truly appreciate that and I think in large part. It's our co-host because they're fucking awesome to talk movies to.
02:09:00.43
Rachel Reeves
A.
02:09:11.87
mikechumpchange
Ah, follow me at Mike Underscore snoonian at Twitter and Mike Snooni in all 1 word at Blueski and at Mike Chum change on letterbox and yeah, if you like what I have to say I I got to be honest as I'm getting older like I just care less and less about social media.
02:09:29.28
Trace
Kind of yeah.
02:09:30.60
mikechumpchange
It's like ah so I'm really giving you oh my God So I know I haven't given you the most reason to follow me but go ahead. Follow me anyway. Um I dare you to.
02:09:30.39
Brian Keiper
Um, yeah, same and.
02:09:32.45
Rachel Reeves
The worst is when you don't care about it and it's part of your job.
02:09:35.31
Trace
I know.
02:09:45.38
mikechumpchange
We'll be back. Oh and also with the show. We'll be covering the fantasia film fast in the coming weeks as well as I making my way up there. We'll have some coverage of that up here but we'll be back very shortly. So I think we've hit the 2 high points for this franchise and it is a pretty. Yeah.
02:09:59.73
Trace
Yeah, you have.
02:10:02.50
Brian Keiper
That's all downhill from here. Yeah.
02:10:05.20
mikechumpchange
So pretty steep drop off with jaws three d I think I still need to recruit some people for that and then we have after that all the saw movies and Ariel has already sent me her notes for the first 3 movies and they're awesome. So I am really excited to dive into those movies.
02:10:18.71
Trace
Is it.
02:10:24.61
mikechumpchange
But we'll be back before that with another Killer Shark movie thanks listeners have a great week.
