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Hello everyone and welcome to
the pod and the pendulum.

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We are the show that covers all
the horror movie franchises one

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movie and one episode at a time.
And we are in November and we're

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back on our bullshit as we are
done with the special episodes

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for a little while and it's back
to franchise town.

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And you know it's good because
like we have a banger of a movie

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today.
We have like what I would call

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like maybe a five star movie
with no 20/22/2020 twos,

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22/20/2020 twos, Prey, the 5th
movie in the standalone Predator

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series and the 7th movie
including the AV pills AV pee

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movies.
Oh my God, this is what happens.

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With like what?
I don't have notes in front of

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me.
This is why.

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So anyway, I'm your host Mike
Snooney and I am not on pills.

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I will emphasize that I am not
alone and I think my Co host

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will be doing some heavy lifting
today.

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Up first from the Spectre Cinema
Club as well as the Tainted Love

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podcast.
A man who dropped like 20 plus

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episodes on an unsuspecting
world in the month of October.

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The hardest working man in
podcast business.

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Mr. Devon Taylor.
Devon, how are we?

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Hello.
Hello.

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Yeah, I'm recovered from our
little October extravaganza.

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I was a little hungover by the
end of like, like just being

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like drunk off of slasher movies
between doing the Friday and

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Nightmare movies.
It was a good time, you know,

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since I wasn't here to cover
those franchises on this podcast

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at the time.
So I was glad I was able to

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catch up and fill in all my
blind spots.

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It was a good time, but having a
good time here in Predator Land

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timed out really perfectly with
like November.

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You know this even even though
this has nothing to do, like

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I've been trying to talk about
how November movies, you just

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know it when you see it.
And some movies just feel like a

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November movie.
Pray feels like a November

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movie.
I don't know if I'm just.

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I get that.
Like it just, I don't know, it

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has a, it has like a, a brisk
November vibe to it, like

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something about the nature about
it all.

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So this feels like a November
movie.

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I feel like someone out there is
now going to get really upset

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and say it's because there's
like, Native Americans and

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that's the focus and
Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving is

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evil and now we're going to get
cancelled.

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Someone will take it that way
because, you know, but, well,

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yeah.
Nothing to do with because

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that's my thing.
Like when I've been making my

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list about November movies, I'm
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Thanksgiving movies.
Like November is as a whole like

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that.
Like not quite a Christmas

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movie, but it's after, but still
autumnal.

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Yeah.
You know, after October, like

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November is a very specific just
like kind of vibe and it's just

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like it's an eye test type of
vibe.

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And this is just feels snug here
in November.

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I feel like when you watch Pray
you can feel like how cool it is

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outside.
It feels like a brisk weather

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even you know, it's if it had a
temperature, it would be like in

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the mid 50s.
I would say it is weird like

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November 1st I woke up, took the
dogs for like their walk outside

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in the cemetery and like walking
around.

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I'm like it just feels like
cooler out and that it just

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feels a little grayer than it
did in October.

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There's something about like
that shift from the 31st to the

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1st where it's not quite winter,
but like the calicon days of the

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of fall, like the really nice
fun days seem like they're going

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to be fewer and further in
between.

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But who is not left behind and
who's still a lot of fun is our

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other Co host.
You know him from Bloody

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Disgusting and Manor Vellum as
well as other places.

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He's the host of the former
Movies for Life podcast and the

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upcoming Holy Terrors podcast.
Mr. Brian Kiper.

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Brian, how are we?
Hello, glad to be here.

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And hey, get to talk about my
favorite Predator movie today.

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So I'm excited about that, yeah.
Brian has a November voice.

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Yeah, see, like, like you, You
have the voice of a very cozy

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cardigan.
So I try NN vibes.

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All right, sounds good.
Brian Requiem is in two weeks.

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I'm not sure if you were aware.
OK.

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Yeah, excellent.
Well, let's start then with you,

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Brian.
Let's get right into our initial

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thoughts today and let's start
with you and tell us the, I

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guess like you've kind of, we've
already like LED with the lead

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there and that this is your
favorite Predator movie.

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So tell us about your initial
impressions and how it came to

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be.
Well, I remember this getting

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buzz because this went directly
to Hulu.

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We didn't get a theatrical
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which is interesting.
I think it's probably has to do

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with the lack of success of the
previous film, the pandemic,

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and, you know, lots of factors
that occurred in the meantime

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between the Predator and Prey.
So it's interesting to me

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because this movie I'd seen
Predators, as we discussed

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before, I had seen the original
and that's really it.

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I think I might have seen AVP,
but I don't remember either of

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them at all.
As Mike, as you like to say, has

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anyone really seen AVP Requiem
because it's so dark, right.

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But I find the Predator movies
are, you know, I I enjoy them,

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but they they don't hit me like
they do a lot of people, But

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this one really did.
I think this one just really had

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a just hit all the right notes
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It doesn't overplay the hand
with the monster itself.

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It really allows the characters
to breathe and to be something.

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And it's gorgeous.
It looks large.

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It looks like it's.
I mean, obviously it's an

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intimate film and not without a
huge cast, but they're out there

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on these real locations, wide
open plains, real sky, those

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forests.
Everything just feels very lush

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and real and large.
And I love that in a movie

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nowadays because it seems like
so many movies feel that are low

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budget in particular feel very
confined to me.

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And this one is not.
And I, I, I think that there's

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just so much that I like about
this character.

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I think Amber Mid Thunder is
exceptional and there's just so

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much that I find exciting and
cool about this movie.

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Yeah, I would agree with that.
This is a really fun one.

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How about yourself, Devon?
This is also my favorite

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Predator movie.
I'm right here with Brian.

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I know I said it a few episodes
ago as well.

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And this movie, yeah, cuz kind
of similar, like I was never

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nostalgic about the predator
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I didn't really start getting
into it and or like really

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getting into until Prey came
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I think I was caught up by the
time or actually I think by the

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time the Predator came out, I
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But we the predator series when
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So back in 2022.
And luckily I was one of the

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lucky few that did get to see it
on the big screen because that

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was my first Beyond Fest.
So I got to see it at Beyond

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Fest.
The cast and crew was there.

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Garrett actually did it
back-to-back cuz they showed the

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Comanche version at the theater
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So Garrett that night actually
watched it back-to-back, first

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in Comanche, then again in
English.

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So, you know, I'm very
sentimental about this film, but

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also just it being a such a
strong entry point in the

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franchise.
Like cuz we look at the rest of

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the sequels, they're not all
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Like yeah, they've there's
certain ones that have fun to be

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had.
But like this, like every time I

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go back to it, I was reminded
cuz I rewatched this after

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watching Badlands last night and
Badlands super fun.

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But it's, it's, it's more, it's
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So I rewatched this afterwards.
I was like, Oh yeah, this is

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like a movie movie.
Like we spent a good amount of

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time doing non predator stuff in
this movie, you know, like this

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is like its own movie.
Like it fully has like, you

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know, a Naru with her journey
and character art and you know,

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and this is the first sequel
with themes again since the

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first one, you know, you know,
as we kind of talk about, you

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know, how hunting is integrated
into colonization and things

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like that.
So this movie just has a little

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more extra effort than some of
the other sequels do behind

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them.
But I also like the stripped

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down this of it.
Like, I don't know why we

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haven't gotten more period peace
predator movies, you know, like

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it was kind of crazy that this
was the first one to be like a

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an actual period piece because
like now it's like, yeah, we

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could totally drop a predator
into so many different time

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periods and scenarios and
locations and such.

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So it was fun for that aspect,
getting to see the predator text

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scaled back a little bit and it
get back to the roots of, you

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know, it being about like a
hunter, what it means to be a

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hunter and you know, and to have
these certain, you know, like

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what are true useful skills that
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Like compared to just I got, you
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different tech and guns and
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So I like the scaled backness of
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Amber mid Thunder is a
revelation.

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I'm still like I'm pissed off
she hasn't gotten like, I mean,

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she's gotten work since this,
but like I thought she was going

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to be like a breakout star, like
because like I think the way

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that she commands this movie is
brilliant.

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I think she's the best character
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In my opinion, yeah.
I meant to ask you both, which

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version do you tend to gravitate
towards when you rewatch it?

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The English language version or
the Comanche dubbed version?

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I've watched them both ways
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Last night I rewatched in
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bed and I was playing NCAA
Football on my PSP while I was

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watching.
So I did watch in English last

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night.
But I have seen the Comanche

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version a couple different times
and they're both fantastic.

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You know, like the Comanche
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a little bit more and the two
different versions will be an

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interesting conversation point
for Badlands.

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I won't be on the episode over
here because I'm covering on

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Inspector Cinema Club.
But as far as the language

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thing, I think it's fascinating
that we'll we'll talk obviously

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the language stuff with this
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But yeah, so I've seen it both
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I I think they're pretty much
equal.

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That's right.
I honestly have only watched the

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English version.
I've seen it twice now.

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So I watched it the other day
and I, I went ahead and watched

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the English language version
element.

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But yeah, I, I, it's, I am
curious.

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I'd be interested to watch it in
the Comanche dub as well.

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But one of the questions I had
about that is it, is it, is it

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just a dub?
Yes.

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So their so their mouths are
still speaking.

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Yep.
Yes, OK.

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So it's it's kind of odd because
they they got more money to do

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it after the fact.
I see.

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I see.
Which is why I chose the English

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version because I, I, I thought
that might be tough for me.

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Just where I was yesterday.
It was.

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Yeah.
I was tired and I wanted to make

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sure I was.
You did the.

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Comanche version for the first
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We because our family movie,
like my daughter and I started

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to watch it.
I put it on to rewatch it and

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she came in pretty like a few
minutes into the movie and she

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was into it.
And then we just kept watching

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and my wife joined us for like
the last like, say like hour or

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so.
And we all like they were like

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this movie's great.
Like Ana asked about a dozen

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times, like what awards is this
movie won?

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Like this movie deserves to win
a ton of awards.

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Like she was she was really into
it, which is great.

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So I think I was going to see
Badlands later today and I think

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I might go with her after school
tomorrow, just like, let's get

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out of the house and go catch
the new one together.

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If this movie got an award, I
think it's reviving the entire

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Predator franchise because
because I I would.

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I think most people had probably
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this came out, and for this
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attention and praise it got was
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It has no right being as good as
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Although I think Predator 2 is a
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I think Predator 2 is like much,
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it, but it's including myself by
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I remember like Predator 2, what
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ones watchable.
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movie, but it's not great.
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And then the Predators and the
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are what they are, the fact that
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of amazing.
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this is a just a great movie.
I don't know if it's the best in

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my franchise ranking, but I also
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Arnold's nostalgia seeping
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because I do love that first
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So part if if it's not my number
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really close second.
Like it's a very close second.

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That's understandable, I think.

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I think a lot of people have, I
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minority as someone who grew up
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that predator is OK, you know, I
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I much prefer, you know,
Terminator and other Arnold

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vehicles of the period.
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I.
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I mean, he made so many fun
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early 90s that like it is kind
of hard to just kind of pick one

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of them.
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went through like an Arnold
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his movies over the course of a
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And at that point, I just ate 5
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way through a brick wall.
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fun to watch at that time.
Well, let's talk a little bit

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about this movie coming
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Go briefly into the background.
I just have a few notes here and

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then we'll dive right into our
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The first note I had was the
fact that this is a Disney

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movie.
Like the Predator Movies Now

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belong to the Mouse House, which
is such a bizarre thing to think

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that underneath that umbrella we
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Predator.
That is kind of crazy.

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And where is the Mickey and
Minnie and Donald slash Predator

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crossover that we desperately
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Make it happen.
Come on.

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Like, I'm sure it would be
terrible, but I'm sure I would

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pay $20 to go see that in the
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But December 2017, Disney
announces they're purchasing

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21st Century Fox, although it
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for the deal to be finalized.
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like, the court shenanigans.
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Disney's initial bid was like 50
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60 something million.
Disney's final bin was like 70.

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And at that point, Comcast
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And there was obviously like
antitrust lawsuits filed.

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Stockholders are like, eh, are
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Fox agreed to basically take
their news division that is not

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part of the sale.
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thing.
Would have been nice if like

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Disney bought that and then just
shuttered Fox News on day one.

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But you know, that's not the
world we live in.

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But all of the IP, that whole
Fox catalog, including like hard

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R sci-fi horror branches like
Alien and Predator, they're now

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under the Disney umbrella.
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It's not unusual for Disney
related items to not be PG.

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Like Brian, you mentioned
growing up in the 80s, I

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remember like it was touch.
So pictures.

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I think it was part of like
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Touchstone was fantastic because
this was live action, mostly

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Disney stuff, but it was made
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I mean, most of it was PG13, but
you get a lot of romantic

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comedies.
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Splash.
It was the first Touchstone

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movie.
And I used to love Touchstone.

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And then they had Hollywood
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They owned Miramax for a while.
And so you technically Pulp

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Fiction was released by Disney
in that sense, you know, I mean,

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so there's there's lots of those
interesting under the umbrella

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of Disney.
There was a lot of stuff and I

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loved, I love Touchstone.
Did Disney own Because I know

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Dimension was the wing under
Miramax where they basically

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release all the genre films like
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It's like the these Halloween
films for example, they're all

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Dimension like Hellraiser fell
under that umbrella.

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Did Disney own Dimension at one
point or is that completely?

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Fun.
Off, OK.

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Technically speaking, I mean, it
was, I mean it was a, it was

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like distribution, the deals had
them, you know, Miramax had its

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own, was able to do its own
thing.

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But yeah, technically speaking,
it all fell under the Disney

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umbrella.
I don't think Disney owned

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Dimension when like Rob Zombie
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which is a shame because like.
Because there was a there was

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the divorce from Disney, but
that happened.

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Early 2000s.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I want

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to say.
I can't remember all of the INS

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and outs of that, but yeah.
But you know, it's kind of

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interesting.
It comes full circle because,

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you know, Hellraiser is now
under Disney.

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Yeah, because true, you're right
through through 20 through 20th

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Century Studios.
So, and you know, 20th Century

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Studios is more or less the way
it's being run now is more or

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less like Touchstone except R
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rated movies.
I think one of the big losses

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from the merger is like I know
Disney as a company.

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They don't do a lot of
repertoire screenings, like they

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don't necessarily license out
their movies for one.

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And duns like around the holiday
season or hey, if there's an

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anniversary of like Diehard, we
should like bring it to these

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like small indie theaters.
They're pretty against that.

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And that's one of the things
that like there's been kind of

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lost in the merger, which is a
real shame.

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Like, that's kind of a real
bummer for that to.

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Yeah.
So I mean that we were getting a

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lot of physical media releases
of 20th Century Fox movies for a

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while, like 70s stuff.
And but then after the merger,

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you know, that kind of ended
unfortunately.

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And so some of those movies are
just hard to find now.

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And it's too bad because they
had had a very rich legacy of,

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you know, you know, the catalog
of 20th Century Fox films is

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extensive.
Part of that, and that's what

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this is all these mergers are
about.

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Like you see all that.
I think right now Paramount and

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HBO are in talks, which is
really given everything going on

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at Paramount and giving
everything that's happened with

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Warner Brothers is really like a
horrifying thought.

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Like because it's all about
consolidating everything to

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streaming services.
And the only it's not even, I

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said the only people that wins
their streaming services, like

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really they suck at it too.
They're all losing money.

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So like nobody really wins when
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Like it sucks for everybody.
Well, I mean, lose the identity

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of the various studios, you
know, because like Warner

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Brothers was always a little bit
rogue, which was great.

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I mean, he got stuff that was
really original and political

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and hard hitting.
You know, think about like Dirty

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Harry in the 70s and stuff like
that.

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And then Disney obviously was
directed towards children.

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And then Universal had its own
sort of attitude and focus, and

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so you're kind of losing all
that when they're all

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conglomerating into one thing.
I was just to say it's a, it's

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all fascinating cuz it's like,
on one hand like yes, like hear

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what Brian saying, like, you
know, each studio kind of having

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its own identity.
But to tease a little bit for

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the Badlands episode, I think
it's cool the more that these

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companies do merge and we're
able to play together as far as

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these, you know, certain
franchises and properties and

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things of the way that they have
been.

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I mean, this whole year kind of
going about the because, yeah,

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they've been handling both
franchises, the Alien and the

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Predator franchise now.
So, you know, we get we get

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small wins here and there, you
know, amongst the corporate

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conglomeration conspiracies and
things of that nature.

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So we get a little bit of that.
But, you know, it's, it's so

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crazy that, you know, they had
all that stuff kind of happening

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in the 80s, but then, you know,
similar stuff going on around

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the time of this film.
Because like when this came out,

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this was the the you know, with
the Fox and Disney murders and

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kind of them experimenting a
little bit of them.

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Kind of like, I feel like that's
why they were able to do

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something kind of fresh and
unique because they're like, OK,

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we can like, let's do, you know,
we can, you know, we're going to

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test the waters.
You know, the expectations for

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the Predator franchise are low
as it is.

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So like as we, you know, go
forward in this merger and like,

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you know, let's let's you know,
test, test things out a little

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bit and they were able to kind
of do something a little bit

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more singular with this.
Technically they could do Alien

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versus Predator versus Wookies
and.

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That was, yeah, that was my next
question was like, and I'm not

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even being facetious when I say
this, but like when, what year

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do you put the over under at
where you see like a merger like

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Star Wars and Marvel and like
either the Predator or Alien

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franchise like in some sort of
mashup.

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Because if you, I don't know if
you guys have, did you either of

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you guys watch Alien Earth?
I had 4 episodes in and then I

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tapped out on it.
I should just probably.

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Premise of alien Earth and the
fact that, like, Waylon

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Newtonian is like obsessed with
getting all these different

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alien subspecies from across the
Galaxy.

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Oh, there's easy ways to do some
little Star Wars Easter eggs

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with that.
Easy.

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I think they did something in
one of the in one of the later

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Star Wars films where there's
like a xenomorph skull or

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something somewhere.
In Predator like in Predator.

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Two.
Yeah.

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There's the Xenomorph skull and
I think there's a little a

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little bit of that in Predators
as well.

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Sure.
That was like the first begin.

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It's like they've always been
under Fox.

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And you know, that was like the
first kind of shot across the

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bow.
I would say from, you know,

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Predators is like the Bee movie,
a alien.

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It's still a prestige film.
And then there's there's no

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prestige Predator.
This is the closest I think

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you're going to come to like a
prestige film this.

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Is the prestige predator.
Movie.

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I would agree with that.
The moving on like final price

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was like $72 billion, which is
insane.

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And then like let's just put
everything on streaming and it

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just gets worse and worse.
Post the Predator plans like

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what happened?
How did this come together?

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The director of this like Dan
Tracenberg who was the his debut

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film was 10 Cloverfield Lane,
which I haven't revisited since

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seeing it in the theaters, but I
remember really liking it.

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He didn't even envision this as
a Predator film at first.

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He just wanted to tell the story
of a young warrior that had to

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prove themselves to their peers.
And he pitched the idea in 2016

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as the Predator was being
developed to long time Predator

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producer John Davis, and he
suggested this would be a great

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fit for a Predator entry in.
Berg referred back to his

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childhood thinking of like when
he was in 3rd grade riding in a

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carpool with a bunch of 6th
graders to on taking a carpool

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trip to a karate tournament they
were all going to compete in.

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And he had not seen Arnold's
Predator, but the other kids

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had.
They kind of told him the whole

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plot of the movie.
And he says he was fascinated by

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the idea of the character of
Billy facing off against the

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Predator.
And like, he had created this

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whole back story in his head.
So he remembered that from his

449
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,760
childhood, and that's where this
idea kind of sprung from.

450
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,920
And he also thought it was
really important that this

451
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,400
doesn't touch Shane Black's The
Predator in any way, shape or

452
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,360
the form as that was being
developed and filming.

453
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:42,680
And he was developing this idea,
which I think either is him

454
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,240
being very nice after the fact
and saying, oh, we didn't want

455
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,760
to do anything that followed up
on that because they were

456
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,680
filming it, not because it's not
a very good movie or it was just

457
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,360
very fortuitous that he had an
original idea.

458
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,120
It was fast tracked and headed
into Predat production by

459
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,800
December 2019.
COVID grinds things to a halt.

460
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,560
In February 2020, Trackeberg
talked about wanting to feature

461
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,160
the Comanche tribe.
In his words, he said it was a

462
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,680
protagonist that we never get to
see on screen.

463
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,880
So the underdog experiences 1
outside the movie and inside the

464
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320
movie.
Native Americans, and Comanche

465
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,840
in particular, have so often
been relegated to playing the

466
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720
sidekick or the villain, never
the hero.

467
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Yeah, I would say that I think
our experience growing up

468
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,120
watching Native Americans on
screen is like, they're never

469
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,320
get to be the feature point in
the story unless of the baddies,

470
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,600
right?
The only exception that I had

471
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,080
was that I can remember was when
Dances with Wolves came out.

472
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,880
Sure, that's about it.
Yeah.

473
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,400
I mean, I think that, you know,
is really great to be able to,

474
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,160
you know, like again, you're
able to do something when you're

475
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,960
given the keys to this big
franchise as they get lots of

476
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,880
eyes on it, you know.
So I think that is really cool

477
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,680
that Trachtenberg was able to
kind of see his opportunity and

478
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,160
then be like, OK, let me go
ahead.

479
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,640
And, you know, like give shine,
you know, pay, pay respects,

480
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360
like you said, like to to
characters that are usually kind

481
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,440
of relegated to the the sidekick
role.

482
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,120
Looking at you, The Lone Ranger.
Yeah.

483
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,440
Let's say that this movie is an
apology for that in a way.

484
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680
Apparently one of the apparently
one of the producers confirmed

485
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,080
that Sonny Lannum's character is
a reincarnation of Tabe.

486
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,000
If we kind of go with this
retroactive, them playing with

487
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,640
the timeline kind of stuff.
So if that's the case of if that

488
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,080
makes sense, if Trachtenberg,
you know, that was his first

489
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080
response to watching the first
one.

490
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,800
I was like, oh, what if Billy
was the main character instead?

491
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,040
That, that makes a lot of sense.
So that's fun.

492
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,800
That's a really cool idea,
except now he's O for two

493
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,720
against the Predator, so he's
taking those L's.

494
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,800
That is, that's actually, I
mean, hey, if that's the way it

495
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,040
was slated to happen, I suppose.
Yeah.

496
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600
So just like that is a very cool
idea and it's something I think

497
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,880
was like the first draft of the
script or one of the drafts had

498
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,680
it and then it was cut.
Producer on this Jane Meyers,

499
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,160
like she is a member of the
Comanche tribe as well and

500
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,480
talked about how like to her,
how important it was for this to

501
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,640
like pay homage and be
respectful.

502
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,640
So she's actually on set like
she has binders full of

503
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,520
information on the tribe and how
they could be historically

504
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,720
accurate right down to the
clothing.

505
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,680
She says the original idea was
they were going to film the

506
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,000
whole thing in the Comanche
language, but then decided for

507
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,040
American audiences who tend to
not want to read subtitles, that

508
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720
might hurt the film's chances
commercially.

509
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,880
But they did get the funding to
go back and then do the dub edit

510
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,480
of In Comanche.
And she would say, like, to her,

511
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,280
that is like the definitive
version of the film to watch.

512
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,960
But yeah, which is really,
really cool.

513
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,320
So they cast.
She was she was actually there

514
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,280
at the Beyond Fest premiere.
And Trachtenberg wanted her to

515
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800
speak for like, the whole
introduction pretty much.

516
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
He was like, like, I loved, you
know, doing everything.

517
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,880
But like, there would be no
movie without Jane.

518
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Like she was so instrumental in
this film.

519
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,880
And he talks about, you know,
the way that she like, kind of

520
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640
gives the the film its soul in a
way.

521
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,040
And he let her like have the the
whole stage during the Beyond

522
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Fest premiere.
He seems like an easy guy to

523
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,440
root for.
Like I read a bunch of

524
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,320
interviews with him preparing
for this episode and the guy

525
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,760
just seems very like talented
but humble, if that makes sense.

526
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,520
And it just seems like a very
easy do to kind of root for

527
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,760
casting the film Amber Mid
Thunder, she's cast in the lead

528
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,120
as the Rue, her father, David
Mid Thunder.

529
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520
He was an actor and a stunt
performer.

530
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,320
He actually still works to this
day.

531
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,920
He's been in a number of titles,
including Bone Tomahawk I think

532
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,240
is one of the titles that they
had listed.

533
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,680
The Borrowers is another horror
title, so couple genre offerings

534
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,320
there at the very least.
Her mother, Angelique Mid

535
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Thunder, she's a casting
director on shows including

536
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Reservation Dogs, which I
believe was like a Apple TV hit

537
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,000
show.
Dakota Beavers is cast as Tabby.

538
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,080
I mean, that's the thing I think
he's done.

539
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Like looking at his credits like
he's.

540
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,040
Oh no, that was his debut.
Yeah.

541
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Like he he was a total unknown
that they end up finding for it.

542
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,840
This is like to your point
Devon, like this is another

543
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,120
person you think would have like
hopefully has a lot more

544
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,960
opportunities.
I really thought both of them

545
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,320
were going to like come out of
this and be like, like, like

546
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,920
these are like some like young
people like like no, no shade to

547
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,080
Sophie Turner, but the fact that
Amber Mid Thunder didn't get

548
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,440
considered to be the new Lara
Croft going forward, Like, come

549
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,840
on, like come on.
She is right there.

550
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,400
The proof is in the pudding
right here.

551
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,760
Yeah, I I would agree.
Like she was, I guess,

552
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,480
especially with like the last
rewatch of this, like she's so

553
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,240
good.
Like you can see just action

554
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,520
star written all over her.
I know she was just a Novocaine

555
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,600
with Jack Quaid.
I haven't seen that, but it

556
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,000
looked a lot of like a lot of
fun.

557
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,080
That I thought that movie was a
lot of fun.

558
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,120
It's silly, but it's.
Yeah, I thought it was a lot of

559
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,440
fun.
Yeah, but it's more of a, it

560
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,240
looks like much more of a Jack
Quaid vehicle than an amber

561
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Thunder foot vehicle mid Thunder
vehicles.

562
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Amber Mid Thunder is also in the
upcoming Carrie the Mike

563
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,920
Flanagan series.
OK.

564
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,520
Yeah, she's not Carrie.
She's one of the others, but OK,

565
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Yeah, she's in that.
Is that a movie or is that going

566
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,320
to be ATV show?
It's a series.

567
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,280
It's going to be, yeah, it's on
Prime, I think.

568
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,600
How many speeches?
Like what's the over under of

569
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,760
the amount of like fucking
speeches?

570
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,200
You know, I gotta say with
there, there was much less

571
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,120
monologuing in the the the fall
of the House of Usher than there

572
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,920
was in in that mess.
So.

573
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,440
OK, just that guy likes to write
dialogue.

574
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,120
It's just just.
All I'm going to say is that

575
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,600
the.
TV is.

576
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,520
You know, yes, but I mean like
there's, there's that, but then

577
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,440
there's like taking it to
extremes.

578
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,680
You want to found this on your
Predator series bingo card.

579
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Mike Flanagan catching random
strays.

580
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Yeah, and I like Mike fine.
Again, you know, I've nothing

581
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,200
for, you know, I do like a lot
of his work.

582
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:43,120
But guy you know needs a hug
like men will create a episode

583
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,320
hug me horror series rather than
go to therapy I think would be

584
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,640
the meme and therapy is cheaper
anyway.

585
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Moving on.
The film is also, as God

586
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040
intended, the Predators once
again played by a man in a suit.

587
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,120
Dane de Ligro was chosen for the
part in part because he had a

588
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,400
slimmer, more athletic builds.
Like I think Trickenberg said he

589
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,240
didn't want that like WWE big
bulky look.

590
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,320
He wanted someone that looked
younger, a little bit sleeker.

591
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,520
I mean, I find that statement
funny because like, I mean, I

592
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,400
saw Delia grow in person.
Big guy, like this is like, this

593
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
is still a big guy.
So it's like he he kind of went

594
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,640
more of the approach of like
this predator is more of a

595
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,200
basketball player versus the
other ones or football players

596
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280
or wrestlers, I guess if you're
good.

597
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,400
But like this is still like big
guy.

598
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,920
He's like 6-8.
Like he's like, muscular.

599
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,720
What if we hire Adrian Brody to
play the Predator like that

600
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,240
would have been?
We.

601
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,280
Haven't had a nerdy predator
yet.

602
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
We haven't had a, we haven't had
a nerdy Oucha yet.

603
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Or like a more like kind of wily
predator.

604
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,560
I'm waiting for that predator.
Right.

605
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,640
Well.
Do you think there is like a

606
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,400
version of the the species that
like like we were watching this

607
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,640
and we were like talking like to
the weaponry they have against

608
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,920
like these like native people
and like these other species

609
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,239
like they're so far like
technologically advanced.

610
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,719
It's like you hear about these
like deer hunters that go out

611
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,719
and like with AR20 sixes to hunt
an armor piercing rifles to hunt

612
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,440
deer.
And it's like, are these like

613
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,320
predators like the low ones on
the totem pole, like they're the

614
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,440
not so great hunters.
And that's why, like mankind

615
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,000
that gets especially at this
point in history is like not

616
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,360
considered like a super hard
task.

617
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,800
Like, what are you going to do,
throw a stick at me?

618
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Like here you go.
And these other predators are on

619
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,760
other worlds where it's like
Godzilla planet, and that's who

620
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920
they're hunting.
I mean, you know, I think it's

621
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,400
like it's like, I mean,
obviously one this is like, you

622
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,600
know, set, you know, centuries
before, you know the other one.

623
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,440
So like the the technology is
obviously so different, but you

624
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600
obviously see they still have
spaceships though too.

625
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,280
So it's like, I feel like they
the, the, the weaponry in this

626
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,400
one is, I don't know if it's
meant to be like a lower like

627
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,200
rank or anything.
I think it's more of like, like

628
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,320
you said, like they're still
trying to be like somewhat like

629
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000
on the level of humans, like,
you know, because obviously

630
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,720
like, like you said, humans use
guns and stuff to hunt deers.

631
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,200
We could use bombs if we wanted
to, but like, we're not gonna do

632
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,800
that.
I don't get bombs illegal

633
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,400
though.
Like you can go to a gun.

634
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,560
I'm.
Just saying buy in I'm saying

635
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,040
relatively right.
None of this is legal either in

636
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,080
this prey movie, but you know,
just saying it as far as like in

637
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,720
relativity, like I feel like
he's like OK, like we could have

638
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,520
more advanced weapon read.
I'm not them.

639
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,800
I'm.
Getting the sense that Devon is

640
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,400
a possession is 9/10 of the law
person.

641
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Like I have this rocket launcher
so therefore it's OK.

642
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
No, I'm just saying that we
could be hunting deer with more

643
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,840
like more advanced means than we
have than just like a typical

644
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,040
rifle is what I'm saying.
We could if if we wanted to, but

645
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,640
we don't.
Well, this makes me think, are

646
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,040
there like scientists, predators
that build all this technology?

647
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Of course there are.
And there's like accountant

648
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,120
predators and, you know, the lab
coats, the the, and then then

649
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,120
like the industrial workers and
they all work to send these guys

650
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,720
out into the universe and kill
things to.

651
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,280
Bring predators work off a
profit margin like are they do

652
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,640
you have that designer that is
like and the accountant who are

653
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,880
like, hey, we need to like make
the weaponry.

654
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Like what parts are we going to
use?

655
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Like we need to be at 30 points
margin.

656
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,080
And you know, then you have are
all the ships brand new?

657
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,360
Do you have used car salesman
predators Like what it's going

658
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,840
to take to this is a super fancy
rocket.

659
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,520
It was only driven by an older
woman predator on Sundays to

660
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,240
church and you know, you can
take it across the Galaxy.

661
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,520
Like do we have that in this?
I want to see that.

662
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,560
I want like a day-to-day I do.
I do.

663
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,720
I, I want that, you know,
because like the aliens,

664
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,760
they're, they're kind of like
insects, you know, they, they

665
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,440
don't have, they're, they're a
colony and they do all that.

666
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400
But the predators are, I don't
know, they seem like.

667
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,560
They're advanced, is just.
Not structure.

668
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,560
There's just not as many of them
to have that expansive.

669
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Of of.
Roles, I think they're like like

670
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,320
fairly like secluded.
They're they're like, they're

671
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,480
like wolves, you know, like
there's no counting wolves in

672
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520
the in the pack or anything.
I know just enough people to

673
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,640
still function, but somebody is
making the tech though.

674
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,440
Like there is somebody with a
with a lab coat.

675
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,760
There's a youcho with a lab coat
on somewhere.

676
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,280
I want to stuff.
I want to see a remake like the

677
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,560
Baskin ran the the Baskin
Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.

678
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
I want to see that remade with a
predator that wants to be like

679
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Herbie the dentist.
Like I want to be a dentist.

680
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,880
Like I don't want to go hunting
like that is what I want.

681
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,880
If we got that, that would be
our Christmas movie that year.

682
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Like someone talented, please
make that happen.

683
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Like a predator that wants to be
a dentist and not go hunting.

684
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:17,000
OK, I've gotten a soft track so
let's bring it back in.

685
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Prior to filming Tracenberg Mid,
Tracenberg Mid Thunder, Beavers

686
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,160
and Myers took part in a peace
pipe ceremony with a local

687
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Indigenous person tribe in order
to bless the filming of it.

688
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:40,560
June 2021.
This is starts filming mostly in

689
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,680
Calgary, AB, very much where
like the film The Revenant was

690
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,480
filmed with DiCaprio and it's
filmed in the lands of the Stony

691
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,160
Dakota First Nation throughout
September of that year.

692
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,400
Shot by Jeff Cooter.
I'm sorry.

693
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,520
Shot by Jeff Cutter, and he
shoots in an anamorphic, which I

694
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
just bring up because I think
we'll talk about that when we

695
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,320
talk about the film and yeah,
how?

696
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,600
The the location makes sense,
though, because there's also

697
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,680
because the revenant all about
fur trapping.

698
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Yeah, fur trappers.
In this point, there you go

699
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,720
that.
Actually makes a lot of sense.

700
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Great point.
Much like the first film, the

701
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,400
first entry like the cast does
undergo a month of like physical

702
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,120
training and fight choreography
before filming commences.

703
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Mid Thunder does like a lot of
work on axe throwing in order to

704
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,800
prepare for the role.
The like I mentioned the

705
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,760
original plan was shoot it all
in Comanche but they decided

706
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,720
against that because it might
make it less commercially

707
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,240
appealing and VFX were handled
by Amalgamated Dynamics.

708
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:41,840
They had worked on the Predator
as well as both AVP movies.

709
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,600
Little bit kind of stunning that
this is the case that they're

710
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,080
back on because one of the
drawbacks of the the Predators,

711
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,040
the effects of that are awful.
Like they're really, really bad

712
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,680
compared to I think a couple
things here and there don't look

713
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,720
great, but for the most part,
this looks much, much better VFX

714
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:01,640
wise.
All right.

715
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,120
Really quickly, why did this go
to Hulu instead of going to

716
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,040
theaters?
Well, the original idea where

717
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,680
they were marketing the film was
they weren't able to let

718
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,160
audiences know that it was a
Predator movie.

719
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,560
Deadline leak.
The news would be the 5th entry

720
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,840
with Tracenburg directing.
He's been tapped to do this and

721
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Tracenburg's response on Twitter
was like, this was meant to be a

722
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,360
surprise.
Been working on this for almost

723
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,400
4 years and I am very sad what
we had in store for how you

724
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,320
could discover this movie would
no longer happen.

725
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,000
It's a bummer, but also yay.
So yeah, they just wanted to

726
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,920
drop this in theaters and not
let people know you're seeing a

727
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Predator film.
I'm trying I need to think what

728
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,440
else has done something like
that, like something stuff jumps

729
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,120
out but my mind is.
No one, well, no one's had the

730
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,760
guts to fully do it yet because
they were gonna do it with the

731
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,760
the Blair Witch in 2017.
That's the one.

732
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Like up through, up through
festivals.

733
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,280
It was just the forest or the
woods, Yeah, like all the way up

734
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
through the the thing.
And then they did like a thing

735
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,720
at at a festival where they did
like the grand unveiling.

736
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,280
And then they're like, ha ha,
gotcha.

737
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,240
So it's like nobody's had the
guts to truly do it yet, which I

738
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,440
don't know why, because it's
like, obviously it's only, it

739
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,800
only affects the opening
weekend, which I mean, I know, I

740
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,680
guess that's why studios
prioritize that because like

741
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,760
after that everyone, the words
can get out and everyone will

742
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,160
know.
So like, I don't know.

743
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,040
Just like, I don't know why it's
we still haven't gotten a true

744
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,840
to Form 1 where a studio says,
you know what, yeah, let's do

745
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,040
drop a surprise, you know, like
kind of movie.

746
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,120
I'd like to see it.
That wouldn't be that would be

747
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,840
great.
And I think like word of mouth

748
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,160
that then the days of like
Psycho or long past, like to

749
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,960
your point, Devon, where you had
like cardboard cutouts of Alfred

750
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,160
Hitchcock, like pointing to his
watch, saying nobody is admitted

751
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,760
into this movie once it begins,
like once the credits hit,

752
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,160
you're out.
You have to wait.

753
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:05,200
And then also imploring people
in print ads to not reveal what

754
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,800
happens in the movie.
Like audiences are like great.

755
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,680
All it takes is like 1 like
lights, camera Jackson to be

756
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,880
like, this is a predator movie.
Like the day it drops a big ah,

757
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,360
you fucking clown for that to be
spoiled.

758
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,960
You know what I mean?
I mean, yeah, but I mean, it's

759
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,680
like that's already what studios
are risking when they release a

760
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,400
non IP movie.
It's like you're already doing

761
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,120
that.
So like, you know, it's fine.

762
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,160
Like, and then and then it's
gonna surge when people realize,

763
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,280
oh, hey, it's a Predator movie.
And then you get that second and

764
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,600
third week bump that everyone is
looking for, you know, So I

765
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,240
don't know, I'm hoping we'll I'm
sure we'll see it at some point.

766
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,960
I mean, I guess, oh, I mean, I
guess split kind of is true.

767
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,960
The only is really the only
movie to like, truly do it is to

768
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160
be like ha ha ha ha because no
one was thinking about like a

769
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:55,840
break.
War the.

770
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Slightest, you know, that was
such a great moment in theaters.

771
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,040
That's not wrong, that's true.
That's a good point.

772
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,520
This isn't really the same
exactly but I think a lot of

773
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:15,000
people went into like From Dusk
Till Dawn or initially thinking

774
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,720
it was a Tarantino Pulp Fiction
esque gangster movie and then

775
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,240
halfway through the vampires
were sprung.

776
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,400
But I don't remember seeing
advertising for that, so I don't

777
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,080
know if if that was spoiled in
the advertising or not.

778
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,120
I know I saw that in theaters.
And, you know, maybe it's the

779
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,360
Mandela Effect, but I seem to
remember it being like knowing

780
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,400
going in it was going to be a
vampire movie.

781
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,840
And I don't know why.
And it wasn't like I was on like

782
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,120
plugged in online and knew that.
But I just seemed to remember

783
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000
like there's something gave it
away.

784
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Maybe I just saw it a couple
weeks after it came out.

785
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,760
And by that point with the word
being out like the marketing

786
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,480
changed on it, I don't know.
Sure, I'd have to take a look at

787
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,720
the trailer.
I have the disc so I'd probably

788
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,240
look at the trailer, but I can't
remember if it was in the

789
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,320
advertising or not.
I remember I remember being mad

790
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,680
at Terminator 2 because they
revealed in the trailers that

791
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,800
Arnold was the good Terminator
and that pissed me off because

792
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,600
there's nothing in the movie
that indicates that until you

793
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,760
know, till.
That moment.

794
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,360
So, yeah.
And so I that I, that's one of

795
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,560
the things that I was that I
remember about that, but that's

796
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,600
off subject again.
Devon, to your point, like

797
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,440
about, yeah, the studios are all
about that opening weekend and

798
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,360
how films do like that's like
the make or break.

799
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,480
But then you look at things, I
remember like Scream was like

800
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,120
never the number one movie, but
it just never dropped.

801
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Like it was always like 10%
drop, 5% drop, 10% bump.

802
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,000
And it did that for like 3
months.

803
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
And then even this year, like
Sinners like it was less of a

804
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,360
big deal that it opened to 50
million.

805
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,400
It was a much bigger deal that
like the next weekend it had

806
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,320
like maybe a 1% drop.
Like if it even had that, it

807
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,760
might have even increased.
Like it was like, whoa, like

808
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,960
people really want to see that
was like when people really knew

809
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,200
like this thing is is going to
be like a a juggernaut.

810
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,920
I bet Evil Dead Rise, I bet that
movie could have pulled it off

811
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,120
because, like, no one was
talking about Evil Dead because

812
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,080
nobody watched Ash versus Evil
Dead.

813
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,600
So it's like people already kind
of weren't thinking about it as

814
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,120
much.
I bet.

815
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,320
I bet they could have did it
like just been like, yeah, oh,

816
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,600
look, these kids trapped in
their apartment and their mom's

817
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,640
going crazy and then be like,
it's because she's a dead eye,

818
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:30,760
you know?
And they could have done it.

819
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,800
That's a great point.
Well, Disney says they want to

820
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,240
put this on streaming rather
than theaters because like

821
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:42,080
they've now acquired Hulu.
Hulu is like not only like the

822
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,040
spot where all like the
television shows are like Fox

823
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,320
and ABC and others would get
dumped, but also, you know,

824
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,200
they're cranking out movies
there and putting up like R

825
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,240
rated content.
So Disney has the idea like we

826
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,400
can differentiate between Hulu
and Disney Plus and put this R

827
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,320
rated horror movie science
fiction film there, which is

828
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,320
funny because a overseas Disney
Plus just put it all in one app

829
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,240
anyway.
And that's kind of what they do

830
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,400
now.
Like if you have Disney.

831
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Plus now.
Yeah, that's the plan.

832
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,960
The.
Hulu on its own is going away,

833
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,520
but there might have been
another motive.

834
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,440
Prior to the merger, Fox had a
deal with HBO Mac saying that

835
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,760
platform would get first rights
to all of the films Fox Studios

836
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,560
released in theaters.
So films like West Side Story,

837
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Free Guy, Nightmare Alley, which
was one of the things I

838
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,320
purchased on the Criterion sale,
blast.

839
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,840
Or November movie.
Everyone please watch Nightmare

840
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Alley this month.
I will watch it this month.

841
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,040
All of those went to HBO Max
before going to Disney.

842
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,960
That deal was still in place
even after the merger, so Disney

843
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,440
may have had made the choice.
Like if we release this in

844
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,360
theaters, it's gonna help the
streaming Sir, our competitor

845
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,480
streaming service out after
because this was still that

846
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,040
weird time and people aren't
necessarily jumping in line to

847
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,680
go back to theaters, right?
Yeah, I call.

848
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,240
I called 2021 and 2022 like lost
years.

849
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,240
Yeah, it was like it wasn't
until 2023 that people were

850
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,440
like, really?
OK, these are fully back in

851
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,560
theaters.
Everyone's going to the theaters

852
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,160
again.
Like 20/21/22 were such odd

853
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,640
times for movies and a lot of
movies kind of got lost in that

854
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,040
shuffle because they just didn't
know what the the kind of future

855
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,720
of things because like, you
know, some people were watching

856
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,400
so many stuff, so much stuff
during lockdown things.

857
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,000
That's when the conversation
started telling me have been

858
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,240
like, is theater experience
dead?

859
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Of course it's not.
It's never going to be dead.

860
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,480
But, you know, that's like when
these like conversations were

861
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,120
like getting like, really like
kind of serious of being like,

862
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,200
OK, what are studios are looking
to do?

863
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,200
OK, what's the alternative?
Like, you know, like, how long

864
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,560
do we release something in
theaters before we put it on the

865
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,440
streaming?
That's all changed now since

866
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,720
this time.
So yeah, 20/21/22 were very odd

867
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,320
years for figuring things out.
Luckily, you know, they realized

868
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,280
their mistake and they they're
like Romulus going to theaters,

869
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,720
Badlands going to theaters.
Like dead rise, they made sure.

870
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,560
Yeah, they made sure, yeah, Evil
Dead Rise going to theaters.

871
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,640
Yeah, So they made sure people
have learned from the mistake of

872
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,680
this movie, but still upsetting.
I know for the next week or two

873
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,640
they're doing.
AMC is doing a double feature of

874
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,000
Prey and Badlands, so if you you
do want to see Pray in the

875
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,160
theaters, you might still have
an opportunity to do.

876
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,960
That I do that I know that like
2021 was the year that Warner

877
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,920
Brothers did both.
Like they released their movies

878
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,520
in theaters, but then also they
released them same day and date

879
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,000
on HBO Max and they lost
Christopher Nolan because of it,

880
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,480
who then went on to do
Oppenheimer, which makes, you

881
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,840
know, almost 400 million wins
all the awards.

882
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,600
Yeah, poor tenant.
Good movie.

883
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,240
I still haven't seen tenant
that's like the what I haven't

884
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,160
seen.
Yet yeah, so but that remember

885
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,040
that being like a funky, funky
ear to me.

886
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,200
I don't get not releasing things
in theaters making like at least

887
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,400
some money that way.
And then now you're going to be

888
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,200
the exclusive streaming home for
however long.

889
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,600
Like that just makes so much
more sense than let's spend $50

890
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,040
million a $100 million.
I mean, some of these Amazon and

891
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,680
Netflix movies, like, they spend
like close to $200 million on

892
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,440
them.
There's only so many

893
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,080
subscriptions you can sell, you
know?

894
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,360
To make no money in theaters
just seems foolish to me.

895
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,160
I think Frankenstein probably
would have been a pretty good

896
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,560
yeah money maker, at least for a
couple weekends for Netflix.

897
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,080
And I'm like, feel personally
attacked that, yeah, Netflix did

898
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,680
not release that movie wide
because the closest theater to

899
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,080
me is like an hour and a half
away.

900
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,840
And I'm like, I don't know.
If I was gonna ask, like, what's

901
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,280
the furthest you would?
Art house theater too.

902
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,440
I mean I was had.
The best to go to, yeah.

903
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,720
Yeah, I know.
But it was like a I'll I'll

904
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,800
drive 45 minutes.
Yeah, I like I, I, I drive that

905
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,040
far to see the new Cronenberg
releases.

906
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,360
They tend to be at this one
theater that's about 45 minutes

907
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,840
away.
But I saw the last two that way.

908
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,360
But I I was like, man, I would
love to see Frankenstein on a

909
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,160
big screen with great sound and
alasno.

910
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,240
I drive to the Brattle Theater
in Cambridge a lot and they are

911
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:46,120
like a there are 200 seat, but
it's like old school, kind of

912
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,080
like auditorium seating.
And it's not like the best

913
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,720
picture and sound, but they have
the best programming.

914
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:57,800
And I probably on a good day,
it's 45 minutes with no traffic,

915
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,640
but it's routinely over an hour,
hour and 20 to get there.

916
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,440
But I love that theaters and
it's in Harvard Square, so you

917
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,600
can kind of walk around and do
other things and record shop and

918
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,680
eat food and.
Yeah.

919
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,840
Well, Long story short film
makes its debut itself San Diego

920
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,680
Comic Con in late July, gets
rave reviews August 5th, it's

921
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,920
released on Hulu and it shatters
like streaming records for that

922
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,040
service.
Like think of the time like

923
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:32,800
someone posted if everybody who
watched Prey opening weekend saw

924
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,600
it in the theater, it would have
made $250 million, which

925
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,480
obviously wasn't going to
happen.

926
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:43,360
But it fair to say like it would
have been a hit if it was

927
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,600
released in theaters.
Fans love it, critics love it.

928
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,000
It's got a 94% of Rotten
Tomatoes and it does get

929
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,560
nominated for six Emmy Awards
and it wins for outstanding

930
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,080
sound editing in ATV movie for
so it does.

931
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,120
It's an award-winning film, but
there's been plans for

932
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,440
follow-ups, although we haven't
gotten them yet.

933
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,240
We'll see if that continues.
Like, Predator is a funky

934
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,280
franchise in that none of the
films seem to be directly.

935
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,000
There might be Easter eggs here
and there, but like, you can

936
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,320
kind of drop in on any of them
and you're OK.

937
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,080
Yeah, and you can watch them in
any order, which is fun, but

938
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,960
since they kind of bounce
around, I mean, this one does

939
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,280
have an Easter egg.
And if you guys haven't watched

940
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,000
a killer of killers yet, that
one's got an Easter egg for prey

941
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,280
as well.
So, you know, they're not

942
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,000
completely unrelated, but they
pick and choose their moments.

943
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,600
But I mean, I mean, yeah, I
would have.

944
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,480
I would still love to get some
sort of follow up to this story

945
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,200
specifically.
Yeah, just because you like the

946
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,960
characters so much and the
performances so much.

947
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,560
I mean, you know, same with
like, I want Dutch back.

948
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,040
I want Arnold's coming back one
more time.

949
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,960
There's rumors about that
becoming reality.

950
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,640
Yeah, there's been rumors of
that since 1990.

951
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,360
For a long time I know, but but
I thought something is like

952
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,120
sounds like it's killer killer.
Does open up at least one very

953
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,200
possible aspect for that, since
that's animated.

954
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,960
Well, and it looks like Badlands
is a hit, like Badlands is going

955
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,320
to make almost like 50% more
than it was projected to.

956
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,480
It's opening weekend and it's
oh, that's good.

957
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,560
It's a ham.
So maybe like.

958
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,760
For like Thursday and Friday it
made like 13 million.

959
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,120
So yeah, that's what I think
I'm.

960
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,360
Already on track.
Almost 16 and it's looking it's

961
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,120
going to be like 35 to 38.
So there'll be more in in.

962
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,360
It's like looks like it's in
good hands.

963
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,400
It looks like this is going to
be Dan Trachtenberg.

964
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,000
It's like baby to play with.
And he's going to have like an

965
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,920
opportunity to make at least one
more of these films.

966
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,600
And we'll see.
Like does he pick up where one

967
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,840
of these two left off or?
See now they should trade.

968
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,400
They should trade now.
Trachtenberg should go make an

969
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,000
Alien movie and Fetti Alvarez
should make a Predator movie.

970
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,440
They should go.
I want Fetti Alvarez to make his

971
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,600
own stuff.
I I also want that too.

972
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,440
And I do also want that.
Or come out with like, you know,

973
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,040
I'm just because he is like, to
your point, Devon, a very

974
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,880
handsome man.
He just switches gears and he's

975
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,320
like a beauty channel
influencer.

976
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
And it's just like grooming tips
for men by Fede Alvarez.

977
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,400
Like I would actually probably.
He could do it, He could do it.

978
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,080
He definitely subscribe.
Well, Speaking of beauty tips,

979
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,520
let's talk about a beautiful
movie.

980
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Let's talk about prey.
I've said a lot.

981
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,440
So, gentlemen, where do you want
to begin?

982
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,320
I think it's important to start
with Nadu, our protagonist here,

983
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,760
because despite what this
franchise, you know, even with

984
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,560
the title, they named it Prey.
This is not called Predator.

985
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,440
Like they won't think that was
like I'm a reminder of like,

986
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,720
hey, obviously as franchises go
on, you get attached to the the

987
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,480
the villain and like, you know,
the, you know, the face

988
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,000
character of the franchise.
But I feel like it was kind of a

989
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,760
pointed choice.
Even with the title back.

990
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,320
Now we are focusing on a
character for this movie.

991
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,120
And I think now to being such a
fascinating character, you know,

992
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,800
like she is, you know, going
against the traditional norms of

993
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,960
her tribe and everything.
And what I love about the movie

994
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,440
is the movie is not about her
being capable of stuff.

995
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,760
It's like, no, she's super
capable already.

996
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,880
That's not the issue.
The issue is it's all the mental

997
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,160
aspect of it and her kind of
learning, going through that

998
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,880
mental and character development
versus it's like, no, she's

999
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,760
already she's been living in
these woods like this her entire

1000
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,200
life.
Of course she already has these

1001
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,640
skills that you know, like, and
the fact that she has like, you

1002
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,600
know, the skills of like, Oh no,
like they wanted her to be

1003
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,320
trained in medicine and she does
know that and she knows that.

1004
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,280
But then she's like, I can also
hunt and track and things like

1005
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,240
that as well.
So just the the setup of her

1006
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,760
character, again, how much time
we spend with her before we

1007
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,960
really get anything Predator
related.

1008
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,640
Like, it's a good 30 minutes of
the movie where we are, you

1009
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,600
know, going setting up the
connection of Nadu with her

1010
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,400
brother Tabe and her place in
the tribe and setting all that

1011
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,400
up.
It's a good 3035 minutes before

1012
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,280
we really get any predator
action going.

1013
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,480
So Nadu is such a phenomenal
character and a very welcome

1014
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,400
addition.
And it was so silly.

1015
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,560
You know, of course the
neckbeards were, oh, how can a

1016
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,840
teenage girl take on a predator,
blah, blah, blah.

1017
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,400
And it's like, don't you realize
that's also like on the point of

1018
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,920
the predator franchise, like
people over, you know, like

1019
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,720
overcoming the the sheer
difference and skills and

1020
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,800
strength and all those things.
Like that's what it's about.

1021
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,600
This franchise has always been
an underdog franchise, with the

1022
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,400
exception of the first movie.
Like the first movie is the only

1023
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,040
one where it's like, Oh no, it's
these tippy top, you know, buff

1024
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,960
of the buffest, you know, people
gang taken down a peg.

1025
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,360
But so it was, it was always
such a like, very silly, you

1026
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,720
know, people on the Internet
issue of, you know, Oh my

1027
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,080
goodness.
What like this girl, take her on

1028
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,720
the Predator.
There's just no way.

1029
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,320
It's it's it's silly.
So yeah, like, but whether she's

1030
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,960
a gal or not, I just love this
character of like, you know,

1031
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,760
just everything that she kind of
stands for.

1032
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,560
And that's when it comes to
great storytelling.

1033
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,000
I mean, that's one of the things
that we kind of latch onto is

1034
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,320
just as human beings is rooting
for the underdog, right?

1035
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,760
Seeing the person who I mean,
think of something mythical like

1036
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,680
Star Wars or something like
that, the Ewoks defeating the

1037
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,000
empire.
I mean that was one of the

1038
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,720
things, you know, the primitive
it was originally Wookies, you

1039
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,480
know, people with with Spears
and things fighting and beating

1040
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,560
the thing that has all the
technological advancement.

1041
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,720
So that is here, but in a much
more grounded and I think

1042
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,240
interesting way.
And I just love all of the

1043
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:55,040
detail that went into this movie
to the depth of character shines

1044
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,120
through with, you know, like you
were talking about the

1045
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,240
authenticity of all the costumes
and the just the way of life and

1046
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,480
everything about this movie just
feels so real and grounded.

1047
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,560
And on top of that, it's just
gorgeous.

1048
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,720
And I think that's one of the
all those things taken together

1049
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,960
is what just really makes this
movie sing for me.

1050
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Yeah, it's funny.
Like Devon, you had mentioned

1051
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:23,040
like the neckbeards and their
complaints and how like this is

1052
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,800
not an Arnold character.
But you could go back and look

1053
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:32,400
at that first movie Predator and
Mctiernan is making a critique

1054
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,080
of like what we would then call
like American exceptional.

1055
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,320
Exactly this idea that like, no,
you have all of these like giant

1056
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,040
like muscle bound dudes going in
all guns a blazing.

1057
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,200
And you see, like, the
ridiculousness of how they,

1058
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,880
like, mow down that little
outpost and how, like, despite

1059
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,720
all of that Braun, they get
taken out so easily by, you

1060
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,640
know, what we would call like,
kind of guerrilla warfare, like

1061
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,680
hiding in the jungle.
Like we're offering critique

1062
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,480
that like might doesn't always
make right and the other.

1063
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,880
It's like you're just telling on
yourself that you have a

1064
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,880
fundamental misunderstanding of
the material at hand just

1065
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,240
because you hate women.
Instead, just say that.

1066
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,160
It makes it a lot easier if you
just say that well.

1067
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,560
And even Dutch, when he sort of
abandoned, he's able to get the

1068
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,440
upper hand not until he kind of
abandons all of that and, you

1069
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,600
know, he covers himself with the
mud and he's able to sort of

1070
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,320
reattach to the earth.
And, you know, that's when he's

1071
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,800
able to have some kind of, you
know, ability against this

1072
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,560
thing.
So I.

1073
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,400
Don't know.
I thought that was.

1074
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
I always thought that was a
stupid argument online too and

1075
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,440
it just really annoyed me when I
saw a psychic.

1076
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,560
I think it was maximum points.
Yeah, I think it was Max Landis.

1077
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,720
Like he did a video essay like a
few years before this and like

1078
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,400
he's the one.
That started the Mary Sue stuff.

1079
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,920
Yeah, he sucks.
I mean, that's like the second

1080
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,640
biggest mistake John Landis ever
made was like having.

1081
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,640
I unfortunately met him and I
like, I unfortunately met him

1082
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,440
and I'm like, I still regret
that I didn't like just like

1083
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,920
punch him in the face like just
because like I was just like, Oh

1084
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,080
my God, I hate you so much.
But but she's not though, like

1085
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,240
she's she's, she's not a Mary
Sue in that like she just gets

1086
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,680
thrown into a situation like all
of a sudden knows things.

1087
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,040
It's like, no, she's been
practicing these things, she's

1088
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,680
been training these things and
she has been doing it for these

1089
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,440
specific purposes.
So it's like, it's not that she

1090
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,320
just all of a sudden has like,
you know, new knowledge.

1091
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,640
So even by his definition, she
wouldn't even apply here.

1092
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,840
You know, like, I remember the
first time watching, watching

1093
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,880
her do her like little forest
parkour where she's like kicking

1094
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,160
off the trees while she's
running.

1095
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,560
She's like sliding on the
ground.

1096
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,120
I was like, oh shit, she's got
moves.

1097
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:52,920
I was like, she's for real out
here.

1098
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,000
Like I was like, and like, even
just like seeing like the little

1099
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,120
details like that and her
character that got me excited to

1100
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,960
be like, Oh, no, like, you know,
there's a lot of thought like,

1101
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,080
you know, kind of put into and
in tandem with the performance

1102
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,040
that amid Thunder on, you know,
the the physicality that she

1103
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:14,320
gives this film as well.
And I think she's also embodies,

1104
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,240
I mean, in a more traditional
sense, I guess the, the final

1105
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,520
girl, you know, what we really
like in a, in a final girl in a

1106
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,000
slasher film, for example, is,
you know, she's resourceful,

1107
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,120
she's inventive, she's observant
where others are not.

1108
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:34,440
She is noticing a this footprint
over here, this, this that even

1109
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,120
even before the predator shows
up, you know, waiting for the

1110
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,560
hawk to circle back instead of
having to cross the river, you

1111
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,000
know, to go and get it.
All of these things I think are

1112
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,320
set up.
So there's there's something

1113
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,760
there too, though She's it's not
a it's not a final girl slasher

1114
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,680
kind of movie.
There's some of those aspects

1115
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,280
that, you know, we are as horror
fans, I think latch on to, you

1116
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,640
know, in our favorite characters
like that as well.

1117
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,000
It's, I think what's to your,
you know, kind of like tapping

1118
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,720
onto that, what sets her apart
from the other members of her

1119
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,800
tribism?
Just that she's very observant,

1120
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,160
but she's very resourceful.
Like you see throughout the film

1121
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,640
how she's able to use the
environment around her to her

1122
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,680
own advantage.
Whether you know that it's the

1123
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,600
even though she's not the one to
kill the lion in the first act

1124
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:34,720
of the film, it's her plan that
enables her tabby later on to

1125
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,800
like go and like finish the
kill.

1126
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,120
It's her when her and tabby are
tied to the tree.

1127
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,640
She's observed how others have
like gotten out of this trap and

1128
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,080
she's able to improve on that
idea through her own

1129
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,840
intelligence and
resourcefulness.

1130
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,200
And then that final fight, like
using the environment around her

1131
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,120
with like the quicksand she had
fallen into before to kind of

1132
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,240
lay a trap for the Predator and
at the very least piss it off

1133
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,800
enough.
Or it's like, now it's going to

1134
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,080
make a mistake.
Like, she plays a lot of defense

1135
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,800
and then picks her spots in
order to kind of become more

1136
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,120
aggressive.
Well, well, I love how from the

1137
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,640
beginning she is pointing out
how silly it is to, you know,

1138
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,600
put people in boxes the way that
they do in this in this tribe is

1139
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,440
OK.
Like if you're a hunter, you

1140
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,680
hunt and like, that's your
thing.

1141
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,440
You lead with action, you lead
with impulse, blah, blah, blah.

1142
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,400
But you should still know basic
like plant medicine as she does.

1143
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,240
Like that's what she points out
like whenever they're out and

1144
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,800
she like helps homie that
they're trying to bring back and

1145
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,760
she's like, wait, why don't you
know this?

1146
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,600
Actually, you know, like you
should be trained in both these

1147
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,400
things, you know, So like she's
calling out the silliness that

1148
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,760
you know, they are just trying
to be like, Oh no, there's no

1149
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,920
use for your type of hunting in
this.

1150
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,760
It's like, no, she just uses,
like you said, a different type

1151
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,040
of hunting, but it is still
within her character growth that

1152
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,560
like she does have to learn when
it is time to not play defense

1153
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,560
and to take action.
You know, like that's kind of

1154
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,880
the whole thing that Tabe is
trying to teach her, you know,

1155
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,040
throughout their relationship.
He's like, he's like, I believe

1156
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,120
in you.
I already know you can do these

1157
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,000
things.
You just need to learn that, you

1158
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,760
know, so she does still have an
art to be had, you know, within,

1159
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,960
you know what her in trusting
her abilities.

1160
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,560
Yeah.
And I like that he yeah, no, go

1161
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,760
ahead, Brian.
I like that he early in the

1162
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,400
film, he instead of just saying
like you would hear in a lot of

1163
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,920
other movies, oh, just go back,
just go back to the village or

1164
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,320
whatever.
He's like, no, she's a good

1165
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,600
tracker.
You can you can be with us.

1166
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:45,880
But, you know, so I I liked that
element too, that it's not just.

1167
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,920
So in that situation.
Yeah, it's not just sending her

1168
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,000
away.
But really, you know, I

1169
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,080
recognize that you have these
gifts too.

1170
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,200
But you know, you got to work
with us here.

1171
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,320
There's an element like that
sibling element is really on

1172
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,360
display here and that he's able
to, like, encourage her but

1173
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,080
also, like, push her buttons a
little bit in a way that, Oh,

1174
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,560
yeah, he feels is like, in to
protect her so she doesn't get

1175
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,920
in over her head.
And then he confronts her after

1176
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,840
the lion is killed.
He's like, we didn't kill the

1177
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,000
lion, I killed the lion.
Like, letting her know, like,

1178
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,480
you're not quite there yet in a
way that's only going to push

1179
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,120
her further.
I do think it's like it's the

1180
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,720
last shots of the film, you
know, I think they're very, I

1181
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,840
mean, they're very intentional
in that you have Nauru

1182
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,160
confronting Aruka, but also
Chief Kahitu with the Predator

1183
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,040
head and saying, hey, this is
our neck.

1184
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,440
She's not even waiting for the
mantle to be passed to her now.

1185
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,560
Like she's assumed it, which you
can't blame her.

1186
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,960
And aside from the Chief, like
every other person in that shot

1187
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,400
that surrounds her is a woman.
And it ends with, like, her and

1188
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,880
this young girl looking at one
another, like showing, like

1189
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,280
there is, you know, like the
dynamics that have been at play

1190
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,960
before this.
Like, that's not going to be the

1191
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,720
case any longer.
And I think that was very

1192
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,040
intentional and really well done
without being, like, hyper

1193
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,200
obvious.
I did have one question on my

1194
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,960
rewatch of this.
I was wondering, like, the

1195
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:31,920
predator is not even concerned
with her or the tribe for the

1196
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,880
first like, 20 minutes.
He's in the film.

1197
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,080
Like, he's hunting snake.
He's hunting wolf.

1198
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:42,040
Like he doesn't necessarily see
them as worthy of like, his

1199
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,680
attention.
It's not until Naru is insistent

1200
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,320
that there is something out
there and that she goes back out

1201
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,320
to look for it that they really
fall on her.

1202
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,640
It's Radar and you could say
it's her going off on her own

1203
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,440
that gets everybody else killed
in this.

1204
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,720
Movie.
So it's interesting when you

1205
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,040
look at again, each individual
predator across the movies and

1206
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,440
what they're there for.
We'll again here in a few

1207
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,160
episodes, we'll get a little bit
more into the Yatra culture on

1208
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,640
kind of what they're what
they're doing and things like

1209
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,160
that.
This one is kind of different

1210
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,160
from some of them because I know
in like Predators, that's like a

1211
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,840
like, I feel like that's like
they're like training course.

1212
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,680
What was like kind of going on
because they were like on like

1213
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,240
alien territory that felt like
kind of like a training course

1214
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,880
type deal.
This one, this guy is here by

1215
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,320
complete accident.
He he like, because we see that

1216
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,560
now that he sees, thinks it's a
shooting star, a Thunderbird,

1217
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,320
but it's actually him like crash
landing a ship.

1218
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,680
So this guy's here like straight
up by accident.

1219
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,640
So he's, I don't think he's here
like specifically like hunting

1220
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,920
for any humans in particular.
He's just like kind of bidding

1221
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,640
his time a little bit.
So yeah, he, it's not like he

1222
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,400
was like sent here specifically
like, oh, I need to, you know,

1223
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,840
find who is the top person.
I'm killing that person.

1224
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,560
He's just like, oh, well, I
mean, this is the only person

1225
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,080
that's like kind of causing me
some inconvenience right now.

1226
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,160
So until you know, the until the
fur trappers just piss him off.

1227
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,120
Like they're not on his radar
either.

1228
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,960
He's just like, you guys are
some chumps.

1229
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,120
I don't like you.
Yeah.

1230
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,479
And like, that's the only reason
he goes after them either.

1231
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,720
So like this one.
So this predator, he's not like

1232
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:33,160
on a on an active hunting trip,
I think he just has to go into

1233
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,240
hunting mode.
It's.

1234
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,160
Almost like he's doing Recon if
nothing, you know, it's like,

1235
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,120
might as well find out what's
going on in this place and

1236
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,680
report back or whatever.
This is the first one where it's

1237
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,160
not.
The Predator is not the only

1238
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,359
monster in this movie.
You can say like it's not the

1239
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,960
only threat.
Like there's obviously there's

1240
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,040
the predator, but there's also
this idea that like the fur

1241
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,760
traders are in some ways even
more dangerous than the predator

1242
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,880
A because like there's so many
of them and be like they're a

1243
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,479
lot more monstrous, like in
their behavior and their

1244
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,319
actions.
Like they're out and out like

1245
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,640
evil.
And then there's just like the

1246
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,800
natural danger of the
environment, whether it be like

1247
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,960
the weather, whether it be the
terrain, or whether it be like

1248
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,080
the wildlife that they have to
live amongst that just is going

1249
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,479
to make the world more
dangerous.

1250
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,960
Like it's funny, this is
something like when I meet with

1251
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,439
clients and we talk about
anxiety and we talk about what

1252
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,439
causes it.
The example I use a lot is like

1253
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,319
years and years ago when you
would step out of your Hut or

1254
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,520
your cave, you would be faced by
like a man eating tiger and like

1255
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,840
the world was a much more
dangerous place than it is now.

1256
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:52,479
But we're so our DNA and our
brains are hardwired to look for

1257
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,960
danger when things are just
uncomfortable.

1258
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,280
Naru and Tabby and that tribe
like they actually live in a

1259
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,000
dangerous world, like their
fight or flight mode is always

1260
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,760
going to be activated.
Yeah.

1261
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,880
No, truly.
I mean, again, like when you try

1262
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,440
to think of like tying in why
the title for this is different

1263
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:13,320
than some of the other ones of
being prey of again, it's all

1264
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,320
about like the outlook, like you
said, like, you know, like, yes,

1265
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,840
there is on like the food chain.
There is always like something

1266
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,120
actively hunting something else.
But then also like, you know, at

1267
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,080
the end of the day, you got to
remember you're also prey to

1268
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,720
something else out there, you
know, like kind of looking at

1269
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,200
it.
So I don't know.

1270
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,360
Yeah, there's there's a lot
about this movie about the vigil

1271
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,000
attention to vigilance and like
things like that.

1272
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,560
And and again, not her knowing,
being aware of her situations,

1273
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,120
but then also knowing when it it
makes more sense to do something

1274
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:50,160
versus not because, you know,
Tabe, as cool of a guy as he is,

1275
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:55,560
gets himself killed because he's
doing a little too much whenever

1276
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,560
that kind of comes about.
So it's like, you know, it is

1277
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,440
again, like, hey, like knowing
your place on the chain, like

1278
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,800
you know, at certain points and
like, you know, playing, like

1279
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,760
you said, picking your spots a
little bit more.

1280
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:14,040
I do, I do love how this hunter,
he, he slowly works his way up

1281
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,160
before he even starts killing
the humans, right.

1282
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,760
I like, I like a person too, you
know, skins the snake and then

1283
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,760
he takes on the wolf and then he
takes on the bear and they all

1284
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,920
right now let's, I mean, now
that I'm warmed up, you know,

1285
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,400
cuz again, he wasn't planning on
being out here hunting, so he

1286
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,760
had to, to warm up for a minute.
So I like how he like literally

1287
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,560
took himself up the chain before
then He's like, all right now

1288
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,400
these humans are fucked.
I like that she observes that

1289
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,440
they're the predator will only
go after something it perceives

1290
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:47,840
as a threat because if they're
helpless or if they're tied up

1291
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,840
or something like that, there's
no sport in that.

1292
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,320
It's like it's not it wouldn't
be ethical or something.

1293
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,840
And I think that's a really cool
element of this.

1294
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,200
I know it's not new to this
particular film, but there there

1295
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,840
is something to that.
So for example, when the brother

1296
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:13,480
just besides I'm going to make
myself aggressive so that I can

1297
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,040
save my sister is pretty
powerful.

1298
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,040
Yeah.
And so I, so I'm, I, yeah, I

1299
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,600
don't know what to add to that,
but I like.

1300
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,080
That it's also how Naru gets
like the big bearded trapper

1301
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,960
killed, like in how she's able
to set that trap and let like it

1302
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:34,560
sees that he has been given a
gun and that gun makes him a

1303
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,840
threat right away.
And that's a really cool

1304
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,360
another.
It took a very cool moment like

1305
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,680
even though he doesn't know it's
not loaded and Beardo doesn't

1306
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,640
know it's not loaded, but she's
able to like again,

1307
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,320
intelligently use the
environment and what's at her

1308
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,160
disposal to her her benefit.
It's great.

1309
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:58,920
Yeah.
Yeah, she, yeah, she she's able

1310
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,920
to kind of use that.
And because this version of the

1311
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,480
Predator 2 is often like called
like the feral version.

1312
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:08,680
So I like that, you know, the
kind of attention to it.

1313
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,600
Like you said, like even though
even, you know, no matter how

1314
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,720
savage or anything this creature
is that they do still like kind

1315
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,440
of have their like codes, you
know, to kind of lean back on,

1316
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,880
which is fascinating to like
kind of keep that continuity.

1317
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,520
Because again, like this is, you
know, continuity wise, this is

1318
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,320
the earliest, you know, that we
have seen.

1319
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,920
So it's like, oh, this is like
kind of always been ingrained in

1320
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,080
them that like, you know,
they've endured centuries of

1321
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,960
like, hey, like, you know, we
only go after, you know, if it's

1322
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,680
not a threat, it's not fair.
Like, you know, no matter, you

1323
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,320
know, like kind of how pissed
off they are even.

1324
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,760
And part of that thing that that
it's takes place what, 250 years

1325
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,760
before, before the encounter
with Dutch and you know, and the

1326
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,880
Predator, but I love that the
technology is not as advanced

1327
01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:01,400
for the Predator is actually
using a projectile, for example,

1328
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,960
is I think a great touch that
the helmet is different that

1329
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,840
it's instead of some advanced
alloy.

1330
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:14,160
It's like, it's like bone.
I mean, that stuff is just cool.

1331
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,120
And it's like it's really makes
the, oh, they really thought

1332
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,600
this through.
Like there is A and that's one

1333
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,920
of the things I really like
about the Predators is they feel

1334
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,640
more realistic because so many
alien movies either all the

1335
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,920
aliens look exactly the same and
that's never been the case in

1336
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,520
Predator.
They all kind of have their own

1337
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,600
variations.
I like that there is, you know,

1338
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,920
advancements in the technology
over time for them, that it's

1339
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,520
not just like a monolith of
things.

1340
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,880
It's real variation.
And I think that's it's makes it

1341
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,960
think like, OK, they really
thought about this species, even

1342
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,720
though we only know so much
about them.

1343
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,080
There's feels like there's a lot
of depth that we haven't that

1344
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,040
hasn't been explored.
That's really interesting.

1345
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,920
What that also does and what
sets that Predator apart from

1346
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,440
other kind of horror movie
characters is like, the Predator

1347
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:13,160
itself is not a villain.
You know, it's not a Michael

1348
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,760
Myers, it's not a Jason
Voorhees.

1349
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,480
It's killing indiscriminately
for no other reason except that

1350
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,360
it wants to kill.
That it is just higher up in the

1351
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,320
food chain than mankind is.
Is the argument you can make

1352
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,960
that it's like if.
Except the Uber predator and the

1353
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,600
predator.
That guy was a Dick.

1354
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:33,920
OK.
Well.

1355
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,440
That super giant one that was
just terrorized in the

1356
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:37,960
neighborhood, That guy was just
a Dick.

1357
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,960
Right.
I think the argument if you want

1358
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,000
to make one for that is like the
tack at the end of the film with

1359
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,400
the tacked on ending is that
like, well, it was trying to

1360
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,520
prevent like in weapon that
could kill its kind from getting

1361
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,200
into others hands.
But I think you're right.

1362
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,920
Like that is just like an
asshole of a predator.

1363
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,920
But for the most part they're
just hunters.

1364
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,200
Like they're just like and if
you're going to argue they're

1365
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,560
villains and you have to like
look at our own relationship

1366
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,440
with hunting and I think is what
you have to do.

1367
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:09,440
And that sets it apart.
There's a little bit more,

1368
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,040
there's a little more depth
there than there is with other

1369
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,840
movie monsters.
But at the same time, I think

1370
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,120
one of the real appeals of this
series.

1371
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,520
So we've said a few times, like
you can just drop in on any of

1372
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,240
these movies and watch it in any
order and you're fine.

1373
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:29,880
It's not so bogged down and lore
that like it becomes a research

1374
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,000
task in order to enjoy the
movie.

1375
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,920
Well, and I like that the movie
too is like interrogating, like

1376
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,280
you said, like when you kind of
have to look inward with your

1377
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,200
own relationship with food and
things of that nature.

1378
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,240
Like how there's like the
distinction when Nadu is like

1379
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,480
disgusted at what she sees the
trappers doing because she's

1380
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,120
like, she's like, you guys
aren't even at least like

1381
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,840
killing them and taking the fur
and the meat to like survive.

1382
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,360
She'd be like basically she's
like, I understand that she's

1383
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,640
like, you guys are just skinning
them and then leaving them.

1384
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,680
Like that's disrespectful, you
know?

1385
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,280
So it's like even, you know, so
there is like some sort of like

1386
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,400
have interrogation on like, OK,
like if you're going to be

1387
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,920
hunting for a reason for why,
like is it just for the trophies

1388
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,080
or is it because you're doing it
out of survival and you're at

1389
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,440
least, you know, like, you know,
taking the components and using

1390
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:21,440
them to kind of go go forward
rather than just the trophy

1391
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:26,200
aspect or the aspect of fur
trapping.

1392
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,160
I also love that the predator
hates the bear traps.

1393
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,480
He's like, that's some bitch
shit.

1394
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:35,600
Even though the Predators go
around using an Predators use an

1395
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,000
invisibility cloak, but they
don't like a hidden bear trap in

1396
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,280
the grass.
For some reason.

1397
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:42,600
That bear trap, like really
pisses him off, Yeah.

1398
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

1399
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,160
And meanwhile it has like they
have like guns and it takes

1400
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:52,480
about 5 minutes to reload it.
And it's like I have a, a little

1401
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,600
device, I'll press a button,
five of these things will pop

1402
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,200
out and all of a sudden like
we've amputated a leg, like.

1403
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,000
Right.
There's some great gore in that

1404
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,960
as well.
Some really cool looking effects

1405
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,160
there for that as well, Brian.
Yeah.

1406
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,040
Can we talk about the effects in
general?

1407
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:09,480
Yeah, go.
Ahead.

1408
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:10,880
Let's do that first.
Absolutely.

1409
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:16,160
How are you here cuz cuz I think
1 aspect that is interesting in

1410
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,840
them going straight to streaming
versus the theatrical.

1411
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,680
Cuz I'm I'm pulling up my notes
from 2022 from whenever I went

1412
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,920
and saw it.
And cuz I do remember on the big

1413
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,800
screen, the effects don't look
as tight like this almost feels

1414
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:34,520
like you can see them within
mind that this is a straight to

1415
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,840
streaming and how they kind of
approach the effects because

1416
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,600
this has a, this has like a
sixty $68 million budget, but

1417
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,880
just still like pretty sizable.
But compared to some of the

1418
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,200
other ones, like you can tell,
you know, like where they

1419
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,960
decided to like kind of put that
money a little bit.

1420
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:55,520
So some of the effects I don't
love in this one, not as much

1421
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,800
CGI as the Predator, but there's
still a few moments where I can

1422
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,640
see I'm like, you could have
done practically if you wanted

1423
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,560
to, but.
Arrow through the Falcon or the

1424
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,960
hawk is one of them where that
that doesn't look good.

1425
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,400
I mean, I thought there was like
some, I think the most egregious

1426
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,200
one for me is because it's like
it's a cool moment that's kind

1427
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,000
of ruined a little bit by the
CGI after he kills the bear and

1428
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,640
he's holding the bear above and
it's like the bloods like

1429
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,400
falling on the invisible
predator.

1430
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,000
I'm like this would have been so
much cooler if he wasn't

1431
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,320
invisible and just did a
physical predator with physical

1432
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:32,800
blood.
Like you could emerge.

1433
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,040
You could have still had the CGI
bear because like, it's a bear,

1434
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,720
but like, yeah, they could have
merged it with like practical

1435
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,760
blood falling on the Predator.
I was like this is a weird chop

1436
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,680
ruined.
There are two things that CGI

1437
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,000
does really poorly.
One of them is blood.

1438
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,360
The other one.
Is fire and fire?

1439
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,520
Yep.
Yeah, those are the things that

1440
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,880
I just like.
I can't stand it.

1441
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,160
It still hasn't caught up.
Yeah, it still hasn't caught up

1442
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,200
to that.
I would say like having a man in

1443
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,360
the suit really helps things out
like it does.

1444
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,240
Make like I always will say like
things that are like tactile,

1445
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,600
like things you can feel, you
know, reach out and touch are

1446
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,440
always going to like appear
better.

1447
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:16,280
Like your brain is just going to
make that connection that like

1448
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,080
the effects to me that stood out
as like, OK, this brings me out

1449
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,400
of it a little bit.
You know, I mentioned the bird

1450
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,400
getting shot with the arrow and
also like the lion wasn't

1451
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,240
necessarily, that's a bit of a
clunker for me as well, but the

1452
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:33,440
effects with the actual predator
to me worked like and then the

1453
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:38,440
practical effects of like the
gore of the trappers like that

1454
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:40,520
worked pretty well for me as
well.

1455
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,480
There were some shots that I was
surprised because to me wolves

1456
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,480
never look good in CGI either.
And Frankenstein, as much as I

1457
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:52,360
liked that movie, GD TS
Frankenstein, the wolves look

1458
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,880
wrong to me in that movie.
So here I was actually really

1459
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,760
surprised because there were
some shots where I was, it

1460
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,800
looked like a real wolf to me.
There were others where I could

1461
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,640
some movements like when it was
being injured, where it didn't,

1462
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,920
where you could tell that it was
CGI.

1463
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:14,760
But I'm not, I'm not sure if
they had a real wolf on set or

1464
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,120
not for some of those shots
because it looked really good to

1465
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,640
me.
So that that was a surprise, you

1466
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,000
know, especially considering I
think wolves just never look

1467
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,400
right to me.
Most animals to me, they just

1468
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,600
move strangely.
They did have a real dog, sorry,

1469
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,120
is played by a real dog.
So I, you know, like we left

1470
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,360
that out.
Of a Coco A.

1471
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,120
Very good boy.
Coco.

1472
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:44,480
Yeah, Coco is actually a a girl
dog, but they made the character

1473
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:46,000
a boy.
I don't know why.

1474
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:47,880
Why do they?
It's like they do that with

1475
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,280
babies and movies too.
They always change the gender

1476
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:50,800
randomly.
It.

1477
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:55,240
Would have been too far for the
neck Burt beards like not only

1478
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,120
is this team we can't Harold
taking down a.

1479
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,960
Predator but a girl dog?
What?

1480
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,920
No, this is ridiculous.
So I don't like that.

1481
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,720
Like I was fine with a teen
girl, but a girl dog?

1482
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,320
Fuck that.
But but for real though like

1483
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,200
honestly all time horror dog
performance like genre dog.

1484
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,800
Performance really good.
Doing some really great stuff.

1485
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,680
Apparently the dog like trained
so well that they just started

1486
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,960
putting her in more scenes and
was like, hey, like, let's see

1487
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,760
if we and then like, like she
wasn't meant to be in like that

1488
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,400
final action scene, but like she
was just out there being a star

1489
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,400
and everything.
And unlike unlike the Dick goat

1490
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,120
from the witch, apparently Coco
great to work with.

1491
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,840
Everybody loved Coco.
She just had so much energy.

1492
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:45,600
So I love seeing a fun doggo
performance and just like again,

1493
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,080
like having like a really great
bond with Nadu as well and like,

1494
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,400
you know, kind of, you know,
being her companion in a way,

1495
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,920
but not her feels like AD and D
character, you know, like a like

1496
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:01,080
a Ranger out there with her
animal companion and all of her

1497
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,960
nature.
Skills like that, like that,

1498
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,960
Brian, you mentioned like early
on we were talking about like

1499
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,880
our initial thoughts, like part
of why you love this movie is

1500
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,960
like how this movie looks and I
wanted to talk about that.

1501
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,320
I wanted to I wanted to talk.
You mentioned, I think

1502
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:26,400
specifically like when you think
of how a lot of the movies under

1503
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,800
Disney's umbrella get made
currently where you not only

1504
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,760
have like non practical sets and
it's all green screen, but you

1505
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:39,440
have like superhero movies where
your performers like aren't even

1506
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,400
wearing the suits anymore.
They're wearing the motion cap

1507
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,520
dots.
And then that's all getting CGI

1508
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:50,520
on, which feels like such a, I
don't know, that just makes me

1509
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,040
hate them that much more.
Yeah.

1510
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,440
Can we talk about just the
aesthetic of this film and how

1511
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:59,800
gorgeous it is?
Well, I love that you can just

1512
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,280
see the sky.
Yeah.

1513
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,920
And it's that's one of the
things that I turning this on

1514
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,120
yesterday again.
And just like the sky is so huge

1515
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:14,400
in the clouds that everything is
real and the sunlight, you know,

1516
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,120
and golden hour shots, it's just
beautiful.

1517
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:22,440
And that landscape and just
capturing that, you know, while

1518
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:25,720
it's while it's there.
I mean, it is a wonderful thing

1519
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,240
and hopefully it's there for a
long time to come too.

1520
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,240
But you know, who knows?
But it's just everything feels

1521
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:38,160
so tactile just about the
landscape and I, I love that,

1522
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,280
you know, there were there were
certain things that like when

1523
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,080
she falls that that sort of made
me think of other movies, not in

1524
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:48,680
a bad way, but in like a this is
a notion that cinema is large

1525
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,320
and has encompassed a lot of
things.

1526
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,400
Like when she falls into the
quicksand, I like immediately

1527
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,520
started thinking of the movie
Come and see the Russian war

1528
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,160
film.
That's like one of the most

1529
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,280
depressing movies ever made.
But there's a sequence in that

1530
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,880
where he's just crawling through
the quicksand and that felt so

1531
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,120
like that and you'd know that.
But she's actually in this stuff

1532
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,920
and it's real.
It's not on a set and it was

1533
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:18,560
probably cold and miserable and
but boy does it get the point

1534
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,440
across of what they're.
Going to do.

1535
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,480
Yeah, and, you know, she's so
she's so like, you know, she

1536
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:29,040
could be so defeated.
And then she just, you know, she

1537
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,240
has, like I said, inventive.
You know, she's created that

1538
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,840
rope that she's braided together
to put on tour tomahawk and she

1539
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,040
throws it into the and she fails
a couple of times until she

1540
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,440
finally gets it.
You know, and I I like that in a

1541
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:45,400
character.
It's like it's like it made me

1542
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,240
think of why I like Indiana
Jones, you know, and Raiders in

1543
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,280
particulars, because he screws
up all the time.

1544
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,240
He's not a perfect hero.
He's not anything that you know,

1545
01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:58,000
and and Nauru's kind of the same
way.

1546
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,640
She's figuring it out along the
way because you don't know

1547
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,040
everything you know, and you
when you're put into a situation

1548
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,000
like this, you don't know how
you're going to deal with it

1549
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,800
until you're there and you have
to figure it out in the moment.

1550
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,920
And I think that is so
beautifully done.

1551
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,560
And the way it's just just
obviously you can tell when

1552
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:24,080
animals and things like that are
CGI, but that's so much of it is

1553
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,920
in a real place makes such a
different.

1554
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,680
Rewatching that scene, I was
obviously 1A great use of the

1555
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,360
setting, like you said, like,
you know, a very tactile scene,

1556
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,240
but it's also it's some of mid
thunders.

1557
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,520
Like again, like, you know, we
look at her performance like and

1558
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,600
when she's performing just by
herself, not with any characters

1559
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,600
or animals or anything.
And you like see like how like

1560
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,600
calm and collected she is.
She is literally neck deep and

1561
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,440
she is still not freaking out
yet after she has missed, you

1562
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:53,840
know, her acts like you said
like 4 different times she's

1563
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,120
missed and you know, and she's
still not like freaking out yet

1564
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,280
because she's like, I know what
I need to do.

1565
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,360
I just got to be able to do it,
you know?

1566
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,120
And like be all locked in.
And so it's a, it's a really

1567
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,720
great performance of just like
her eyes and her face.

1568
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,560
So you can like see all the
emotions and like like you said,

1569
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,960
you can see her working in her
brain of like, you know, what

1570
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,760
she needs to do and like the
different scenarios and going

1571
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,960
through the wrong turn series.
You guys know of my affinity for

1572
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,840
the woods?
I don't know, I think the woods

1573
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,400
might be my favorite like film
setting because there's just

1574
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,800
something about the blush
greenness.

1575
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,120
It looks good on camera.
But then I'm also a sucker for

1576
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:33,000
people walking through, you
know, and breaking sticks under

1577
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,400
their feet and stuff like that
and the use of trees and cover

1578
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,840
and things like that.
And it also just highlights,

1579
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,560
again, like Comanche, people
chose to live amongst this, you

1580
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,600
know, this, you know, setting.
And it's not for the faint of

1581
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,320
hearts.
So, you know, it also just like

1582
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,320
kind of adds of being like, Oh
yeah, she has to be a bad ass to

1583
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,920
be able to like live in this
because that's what she does

1584
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,080
every day.
You know, it's just a a

1585
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,000
different predator now that
she's looking out for.

1586
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:01,440
So.
Right.

1587
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,520
Great use of the location.
It looks really great.

1588
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,200
Yeah.
Big big fan of the the locale

1589
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,200
for this.
Yeah, I think one of the things

1590
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,120
I think is great is like, to
your point, at the end of the

1591
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,120
movie, they're not necessarily
out of the woods quite yet.

1592
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:19,280
She is killed probably the
harshest thing she will ever

1593
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,160
come across.
But like the environment they're

1594
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,200
in still hasn't changed at all.
Like there's still plenty out

1595
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,160
there that all it takes is 1 bad
day or one slip and it could

1596
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:30,240
kill you.
Sure.

1597
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,800
Well, and I think about, you
know, I live in the Pacific

1598
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,520
Northwest.
I've lived here my whole life.

1599
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,720
And so a lot of this environment
felt very familiar, even though

1600
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,920
that this is in the northern
Great Plains.

1601
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,040
There's a lot of, you know,
similarities of topography and

1602
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,280
things like that and and
wildlife.

1603
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,800
We don't have rattlesnakes, but
we do have bears.

1604
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,160
We do have Cougars.
We have and when, when there is

1605
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:58,000
a a Mountain Lion spotted
somewhere out here in a

1606
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,640
residential area, it's like
lockdown.

1607
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,200
It's scary.
It doesn't happen very often

1608
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,320
because they don't wander out.
They don't like people

1609
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,800
obviously, but they but if but
they're also they're pretty

1610
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,080
aggressive.
They're not, they're not like

1611
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,800
bears.
Well, where they'll just stay

1612
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,080
away.
We get a lot.

1613
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,520
Of they could be pretty
aggressive, yeah, we get a lot

1614
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,600
of we get.
A lot of Kyle we what in our

1615
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,080
yard where I used had that in
our yard.

1616
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,720
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Where I used to live, just

1617
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,840
honestly half a mile from where
I am now, we would, we had a lot

1618
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,360
of property on it at the time
and, and it was, some of it was

1619
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:37,200
like county property.
And at night we could hear the

1620
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:43,000
howls and barks and it was a
whole massive pack of coyotes.

1621
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:47,000
Every once in a great while
we'll have a bear like I've got

1622
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,120
a picture my neighbor took.
The black bear had escaped and

1623
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,720
like in front of our house, like
literally in front of our

1624
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,280
driveway, there's just this
giant black bear like walking up

1625
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:02,480
the street and I'm like that a
is really cool, but also BA

1626
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,520
little bit.
That's also the day my wife is

1627
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,640
like why don't you go cook on
the grill while I just update

1628
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,760
your life insurance.
Like literally a thing that

1629
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,640
happened.
No, I coyotes surprised around

1630
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,400
here.
Rampant in Lai was like, why are

1631
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,800
there so many coyotes out here?
Surprisingly rampant.

1632
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,040
Like even in the neighborhoods
and stuff, Yeah.

1633
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,880
Surprisingly, a lot of people
would get hurt by deer around.

1634
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,600
No, because they just run into
your car.

1635
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,600
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, my, my wife, you know,

1636
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,440
several years ago, I mean, she
was driving on the freeway and

1637
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:37,680
she hit a deer and it was, you
know.

1638
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,640
It's yeah, it'll mess up your
car.

1639
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:45,040
Like I've remember driving once
and a deer ran out on a Route

1640
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:51,080
95, got hit in about 70 miles an
hour and flew about 10 feet in

1641
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,000
the air and then like landed on
another car.

1642
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,520
Like, by the grace of whatever,
I was a lane over and was safe.

1643
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,120
But jeez, that would have been
awful.

1644
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,680
So what they have the the
sequence with the cougar in this

1645
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:09,600
is just like, I really feel that
because if we spot one in a

1646
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,160
tree, I mean, they'll get animal
control out there, they'll give

1647
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,080
it a dart and they'll move it
into the mountains again, have

1648
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,400
it wake up with a headache.
But it's freaky.

1649
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,360
Those are they are really
aggressive.

1650
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,800
They're really, they're really
powerful animals.

1651
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,160
And we don't necessarily have
Grizzlies, but we have a lot of

1652
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:30,760
black bears and stuff around
here too.

1653
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,520
So it's just like, and
apparently I've never seen one,

1654
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,560
but we have like Wolverines,
which are really.

1655
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,160
Huge accurate around.
Yeah, exactly.

1656
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,920
Yeah, exactly.
But they're like really, really

1657
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,960
vicious.
They they and Badgers they

1658
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,480
they're, they're really
aggressive.

1659
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:51,480
But so just without having the
advantage, I suppose, of a

1660
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:55,560
wooden structure surrounding me,
there could be some pretty

1661
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,760
dangerous stuff around.
So really, you really get a

1662
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,920
sense of that sort of imminent
danger through the course of the

1663
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,320
movie, you know, in contrast to
how beautiful it.

1664
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,800
Is and.
I think that's really a.

1665
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:13,600
Cutter Cutter's cinematography
and shooting in scope like it is

1666
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,840
gorgeous.
Like I know the current film is

1667
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,520
called Badlands, which I don't
think is.

1668
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,920
I don't think that's accidental
because I and I haven't seen it

1669
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,680
yet, but I know the look of
prey.

1670
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:28,040
It's hard not to think of like
Terrence Malick's Badlands and

1671
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,920
how that film looks when you
watch this, that that would have

1672
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,400
been like an influence on just
like the visual aesthetic of

1673
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,560
this film.
It's just very clear.

1674
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,800
Everything's wide.
I love how you know movies these

1675
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:43,160
days.
Why are you all afraid of wide

1676
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:44,800
shots?
Nobody likes wide shots anymore.

1677
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,360
Everything is a fucking
conversation up in somebody's

1678
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,160
face.
And like, I love how expansive

1679
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,840
the scope is for this.
Also on the subject of animals,

1680
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:58,200
I love this little tidbit of one
of Jay Meyer's early notes of

1681
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,200
from reading the script goes,
where are all the horses now?

1682
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,840
I know of horses in this in the
script, there's no horses.

1683
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,560
How are we going to do a horse
movie, a movie about Comanche

1684
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,600
people without the horses?
And so like, even adding that

1685
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,560
into the the culture and Toby
gets to include his horse during

1686
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,200
his little set piece and
everything, which is really fun.

1687
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,840
Yeah, you know.
Just yeah, like using again,

1688
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,080
like, you know, because it makes
sense.

1689
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,480
You know, they're up in the
Appalachians.

1690
01:33:21,480 --> 01:33:24,720
Of course they'd, you know, that
would also be instrumental.

1691
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,120
So you know, doing that and
having real horses too, not not

1692
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,240
fake ones for the.
What you were just saying there

1693
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,280
about like, why are all these
conversations like that is like

1694
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:37,880
a very real choice that like
studios have made, like they

1695
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,520
understand all of these movies
that do go straight to

1696
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,720
streaming.
There is this thought that like

1697
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,640
if you're watching it at home,
you're just going to be on your

1698
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,080
phone and you're going to miss
so much of what's going on.

1699
01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:55,400
So it's a real.
The famous person is too far

1700
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,320
away and you can't see what they
look like here, like everything

1701
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,760
is close up, some mid shots.
And everything is insane

1702
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,760
actually dialogue over and over
and over again.

1703
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,800
Like that's a real.
And it's like I would argue the

1704
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,280
reason why I'm on my phone is
because you're just going to

1705
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,120
give me the same information 8
times so I'm bored.

1706
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,240
Like you're already caught up.
Like I don't need to.

1707
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,120
Every now and then I've watched
there's a movie on Criteria from

1708
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,440
Kurosawa Cloud that came out
last year.

1709
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:27,320
It's kind of a new neo noir and
I was drifting off to sleep

1710
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,240
watching it because the first
hour is like a lot of set up,

1711
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,040
but it was like a it was, I'm
watching it pretty late, but

1712
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,800
like when it kicks into gear,
you're like, yeah, I'm in.

1713
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,640
And they don't have to over
explain everything like it asks

1714
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,840
you to keep up.
And anyway, just wanted to say I

1715
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:42,840
recommend Cloud.
Yeah, I had someone else

1716
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,720
recommend that to me too.
Solid.

1717
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,200
Where would you like to see
these characters?

1718
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,040
Assuming that Trachtenberg gets
to like do something else with

1719
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,400
them?
Because it does drop the Easter

1720
01:34:55,400 --> 01:35:00,320
egg that Naru gets the pistol we
see in Predator 2, which means

1721
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,880
at some point she loses it.
Where do you want to see these

1722
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:09,080
characters go next?
Well again, have you guys

1723
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,480
watched Killer of Killers yet?
I have to finish it.

1724
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:16,160
I have one more segment to go.
OK, well then I will abstain

1725
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:20,120
from answering that question.
All right, to not spoil things

1726
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,880
for you, but watch all the way
through Killer of Killers and

1727
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,280
you get somewhat of an answer as
to what goes out.

1728
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,720
This at the end, cuz at the end
of this movie we see a fleet of

1729
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:37,000
Yaocha ships coming to Earth and
it's it's not looking and that's

1730
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:40,720
at the end of this movie.
But Killer of Killers, if you

1731
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,560
watch all the way through,
you'll kind of get an answer as

1732
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,960
to what's going on.
So to not spoil that for anybody

1733
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:47,520
yet, I will abstain.
From your.

1734
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:49,960
Question but curious to see what
you guys will think.

1735
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,520
Yeah.
Well, I, you know, I think that

1736
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:57,040
the subtext of this movie is
pretty clear that it's about

1737
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:03,080
ultimately the colonialization
of this land and the

1738
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:11,320
displacement of the people.
And the predator is what is just

1739
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,800
that it has literal, you know,
fur trappers and, you know, the

1740
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:21,600
the real situation that occurred
as part of that is makes it

1741
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,760
clear.
But then the that the predator

1742
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:28,000
is also a metaphor for the
entire westward expansion, I

1743
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,400
think.
And so I think that it has

1744
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,960
something to do.
It would have something to do

1745
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:40,160
with that idea of the just the
total displacement, you know, an

1746
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,560
annihilation of, of these, of
many of these people.

1747
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,520
And so it's, I guess that's what
I see.

1748
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,920
I know that's a really dark
answer for a fun movie, but I, I

1749
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,120
think it's probably what I would
think would happen.

1750
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,320
Let's So what she'd put up one
hell of a fight, though.

1751
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,320
Let's give it that.
Let's call it there folk.

1752
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,320
I think we got it.
I think we kind of nailed it.

1753
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,960
So that's a, you know, a fun
note to end on Brian.

1754
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,680
I I would say like the you're
welcome.

1755
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:11,000
You're.
Welcome.

1756
01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:16,000
You know, someone had to bring
up, you know, the colonialism

1757
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,480
and the patriarch.
Hey, we have to.

1758
01:37:17,480 --> 01:37:19,000
The textbooks won't tell you
that.

1759
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,400
Yeah.
Well, Devon, what's coming up

1760
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:26,120
with the Spectre Cinema Club now
that you guys have basically

1761
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,000
dropped about a year's worth of
episodes over the span of a

1762
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,800
month here?
You're taking no days off though

1763
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,400
it seems like, right?
So you know, just back-to-back

1764
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,480
to a regular schedule and once a
week it is funny like I like

1765
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:40,840
this past week.
I like kept waking up and being

1766
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:42,880
like, did I watch something in
my behind?

1767
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,440
Do I have something to edit?
And then I was like, Oh, no, I'm

1768
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,160
good.
It's all it's all done.

1769
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,960
So I haven't still some
flashbacks here and there.

1770
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:54,200
But in honor of Predator
Badlands, which we are doing an

1771
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,560
episode on our theme is on the
hunt.

1772
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:02,800
So movies that involve some sort
of hunt in that some fashion by

1773
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,560
accident program Punishment Park
for the beginning of the month.

1774
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,800
And Peter Watkins just passed
away recently the day before

1775
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,200
Halloween.
So that was kind of crazy.

1776
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,160
So we have an episode on
Punishment Park.

1777
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,160
We'll have an episode on
Badlands as well as a battle

1778
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,040
Royale and Assassination Nation.
Excellent.

1779
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,640
So I'll be, I'll be back over
here for AVP.

1780
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,960
Requiem maybe.
What does Requiem even mean?

1781
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,520
I'm not sure.
Not sure.

1782
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,640
We'll find out if it actually is
for the thing to do with the

1783
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,600
movie.
Brian, how about yourself?

1784
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:40,080
What's coming up?
Well, I've I kept myself pretty

1785
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:45,200
busy over Bloody Disgusting over
October and I pitched a couple

1786
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,960
new things for November.
So should have something coming

1787
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,480
out by the time this comes out.
We should.

1788
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:53,760
It'll probably be coming out
soon on Frankenstein, the

1789
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,840
Guillermo del Toro Frankenstein
and some of the Easter eggs from

1790
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,720
previous Frankenstein movies
that are in it that are a lot of

1791
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:02,960
fun.
And then another piece that'll

1792
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,000
come later in the month on Night
of the Demon.

1793
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:10,080
So yeah, so that's coming up.
And I wrote a piece for Manor

1794
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:13,400
for the holiday season about
what a Grinch I am.

1795
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,400
So that'll be fun.
OK, for.

1796
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:19,120
People to read, I hope.
What a Grinch you are.

1797
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,920
I am indeed.
Excellent.

1798
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,080
So yeah.
And yeah, with the Holy Terrors,

1799
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,920
we're ran into a little bit of
technical trouble.

1800
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,160
Oh boy.
It's I promise it's coming out.

1801
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,280
I promise it's going to happen.
We have several episodes in the

1802
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,800
can.
We just need to we're we're

1803
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:41,040
going to try and get things out
there pretty quick here,

1804
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,120
hopefully by the by the start of
the year.

1805
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:47,080
So if if anyone's been waiting
for it, and I hope you have, we

1806
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:52,120
promise it's on its way.
Well, we just did The Exorcist

1807
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,120
at the drive in the day after
Halloween.

1808
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,880
They did a double feature of
John Carpenter's Halloween and

1809
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,600
The Exorcist, and it was.
Really like a fun way to watch

1810
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,080
both of those movies for us
folks.

1811
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:09,280
You can find us at POD on the
pendulum.com, Spotify, Apple,

1812
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,520
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1813
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,120
Make sure that you're leaving us
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1814
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,560
few words for a review.
Make sure you're hitting that

1815
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:22,960
subscribe button so you get our
new episodes right away on

1816
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,520
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You can comment on all the

1817
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,640
episodes individually, which a
few folks have done recently.

1818
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,040
We've done some nice feedback,
especially on our Summer of

1819
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,800
George series.
So that was really nice.

1820
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,920
I was kind of nervous heading
into that franchise deep dive,

1821
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,560
and we've got some nice
encouragement.

1822
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,840
We appreciate that.
If you really like what we do, I

1823
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,680
would strongly recommend
becoming a patron by going to

1824
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:50,520
patreon.com/pod and The
Pendulum, where we have a ton of

1825
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:55,000
bonus episodes up.
Fingers crossed that we get this

1826
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:59,440
done in time, but I'm setting
Thanksgiving as the goal to drop

1827
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:04,600
our Back to the Future deep dive
in to commemorate its 40th

1828
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,120
anniversary this year.
And then we'll get to parts two

1829
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,880
and three shortly thereafter to
do that franchise.

1830
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,680
But Thanksgiving is the goal.
We just got to find a day to

1831
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,880
record at this point, but I
think that will be a very fun

1832
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:25,280
episode that will in no way go
off the rails as we bring

1833
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:29,000
decades worth of nostalgia and
silly gooseness to it.

1834
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,080
And you can find me at Mike
Chump Change on Instagram and

1835
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,800
Letterbox and back to Mike
Snooney and over on Blue Sky.

1836
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:42,320
I guess I was very difficult to
find with my Halloween name.

1837
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,720
It was very odd name.
So I'm back to my bullshit

1838
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,200
there.
Follow the show at pod and

1839
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,240
pendulum on Blue sky and
Instagram.

1840
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,720
We've been like way more active
on Instagram lately, dropping

1841
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,080
clips and tidbits and fun little
Nuggets there.

1842
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,080
So we hope you do that.
And yeah, that's it for now.

1843
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,800
Like we have, you know, we're
doing the franchise a little bit

1844
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:07,600
out of order for no other reason
that like why the hell not?

1845
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,760
So we have Alien versus Predator
and Alien versus Predator,

1846
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,320
Predator Requiem coming up and
then we'll follow that with

1847
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,920
killer killers, Badlands and a
ranking episode.

1848
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:23,400
And then my God, like Predator,
this is series will never end.

1849
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:29,840
We are just a predator podcast
now after that Psycho, the Omen

1850
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,320
and then creep.
So we have like 3 like Mike

1851
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,960
psycho.
We got to talk, Brian, you and

1852
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:41,560
I, about how we're going to
cover that and plan, plan some

1853
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:43,920
Nuggets for that because that's
not intimidating at all.

1854
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:45,840
Like not a.
No, not at all.

1855
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,160
Not at all.
All right, that's it listeners,

1856
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:49,640
we hope you're having a great
week.

1857
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,520
Take care.
And we will be back next week

1858
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,600
with Alien versus Predator.
Perhaps the movie.

1859
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,480
I can't think of a movie with
more hype.

1860
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:01,400
That was a bigger let down.
But what can you do?

1861
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,280
Take care folks.
Story for my dating life.

1862
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,760
Lot of hype they have to let
down.

1863
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,720
Oh, this is wrong.
Alien Alien.

1864
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,760
Versus Predator, not very like
Alien versus Predator is not

1865
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,160
that bad.
Like I, I've rewatched it.

1866
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:19,200
I, we did a, we did a commentary
track on it last year.

1867
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:21,480
It was the last time I read
this.

1868
01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:22,520
I was like.
You know.

1869
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:24,520
It's just.
You know, it had higher

1870
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,720
expectations, but we'll talk
about.

1871
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,760
The only, the only expectations
it didn't meet is that Sanaa

1872
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,040
Lathan did not kiss the
predator.

1873
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:35,640
They didn't kiss.
They were supposed to.

1874
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,280
Kiss, third film of the trilogy.
No, they were totally actually

1875
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,320
like if you go back like they
did actually a thing to go.

1876
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,760
Paul WS Anderson goes Huh, What
got it?

1877
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:47,280
What if?