THE PREDATOR

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Hello everyone, and welcome to
the pod and The Pendulum.

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We are the show that covers all
the horror franchises, one movie

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and one episode at a time.
As always, I'm your host, Mike

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Snoonian.
And hey, it is scary season.

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It's Halloween season for
everyone, which means watching

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more horror movies, more haunted
hayrides, more haunted houses,

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fun candy like it is literally
the most wonderful time of the

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year.
Christmas song saying otherwise

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be damned.
Like this is the best time of

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year.
I have a special guest with us

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all tonight for like, what is a
sneaky Halloween movie?

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Like you wouldn't know it going
in 2018's The Predator from

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director Shane Black who Co
writes the script all along with

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the wonderful Fred Decker.
Maybe a little bit more trick

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and treat on this one.
And as always, I'm not alone.

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Joined once again by our guest,
Looney.

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He was just here for Predator 2.
Let's welcome back Mr. Alex

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Pagliuca to the show.
Alex, how are we?

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I'm good Mike.
Thanks.

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How you doing?
Doing great.

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It's like I just said, like it's
hard in October to not be in a

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good mood.
True story, very true story.

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Absolutely.
There was just it's 80° here or

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it was yesterday, which is way
too hot for Massachusetts in

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October.
I'm sure in Florida that is just

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like we call that Wednesday like
pretty much all year round.

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Well, at this time of year,
yeah, yeah, there are other

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parts of the year that not, not
so much other parts of the year.

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It's oh boy, it's just so.
Chilly there ever.

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It just gets us just thinking
the opposite, like.

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No, in the in the summer it's so
hot and humid that it's just,

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it's not fun, but it does, I
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There's we get a couple of days
below 40.

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We made the mistake of doing
Orlando in July 1 year and it

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felt like we were doing a death
March by like our third day at

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Universal.
Yeah, that's brutal.

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Yeah, it was really bad.
And then it would like pour the

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peak part of the day when you
wanted to do stuff.

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It's like, oh, it's a monsoon.
Fantastic.

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So.
Yeah, that's, that's pretty much

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it.
But you know, the rest of the

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year, the the other, you know,
9989 months out of the year

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pretty outstanding.
It is it's going to be in the

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80s today and this time of year
the humidity humidity's cut

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down.
So it's, you know, it's, it's

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the weather is the the best
thing about living here, the

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weather in the water.
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And that is it for housekeeping.
Alex, you're on this episode

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because I goofed.
You were supposed to have you on

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for Predators last week and I
just flat out goofed.

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So I don't know if I owe you an
apology or not after having

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watched this one.
What are our initial thoughts on

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the Predators?
My initial my initial thoughts

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are that it's OK.
It's not a great, it's not

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terrible.
It's very Shane Black.

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It has Shane Black written all
over it.

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Yeah, that's really the the full
of it.

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I I was not surprised, but it
was rewatching it because it's

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the this week was the first time
that I've rewatched it, I think

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since it hit a streaming.
And Trivante Rhodes kind of

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stood out.
I was like, oh, I did not

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remember this guy being, or
anybody being this good in this

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movie.
So that was nice to see.

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You know, it's always kind of
nice to have somebody jump out

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and show you some things that
maybe you're not, you're not

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familiar with from them.
And yeah, I mean, it was fun.

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It's a fun silly.
If you can just kind of take it

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for what it is, it's it's OK.
Yeah, it's the the one thing

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that all of the Predator films
thus far have had going for

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them.
If nothing else, like the cast

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is usually really strong and I
felt like the main lead here, it

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could have been approved like I
had one casting, not necessarily

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what if, but like 1 swap.
I'd make that kind of we'll get

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to but overall, like 4 movies
into the series so far.

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You can't say that they're not
hiring a fantastic.

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Cast Yes.
And the ancillary characters

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that we have here I think are
much more compelling than the

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main character itself here.
And it makes it fun to watch,

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especially given the nature of
this movie.

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It's like another similar to
Predators, like we're assembling

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a team on the fly.
So it does have that going for

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it and so there are moments when
Shane Black gets to do Shane

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Black things that the movie
works, but you can definitely

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feel the reshoots, the studio
interference and the way this

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movie was kind of re engineered
on the fly all over it with this

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one, like it's just no way to
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It's You get a lot of whiplash
watching this one.

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Yeah, it feels like it can't
really just completely commit to

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what it wants to be.
There's like little pieces in

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there that like we're trying to
be a family movie.

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And then there's other pieces
that are, we're trying to be,

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you know, an action adventure
movie.

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And it's like, what are you?
What are you, what are you

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trying to get out of here 'cause
this is too adult to be a family

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movie.
But yeah, yeah, it just, it

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just, yeah.
And so that makes sense.

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I didn't realize there was a
bunch of studio interference,

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but that makes complete sense.
Oh, we have that.

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That's one thing we'll talk
about here when we get to the

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background right here in a
second.

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But it is, it's all over the
place when it comes to this one.

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All right, well, let's talk a
little bit about the background

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here.
And Mr. Shane Black is a writer,

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director, his history and kind
of how this one came to be.

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So it's fair to say.
Alex, what were your overall

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thoughts on Predators?
I know you're going to have you

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on for that.
What made you want to jump in

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for that one?
I actually, I like that one.

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I thought that was a lot of fun.
Again, the the ancillary

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characters I really enjoyed.
And yeah, I just thought overall

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it was well made.
It seemed like it did know

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exactly what it was and it set
out, you know, the goals that it

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set for itself, it achieves
quite well.

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So yeah, it's I like that movie.
It's a.

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Fun B movie room like it
definitely has that fun kind of

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monster movie.
I'm not on board when you when

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you hear the episode when it
posts later tonight, early

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tomorrow, like Adrien Brody
action star doesn't quite do it

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for me.
To be fair.

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A Topher Grace is a serial
killer.

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It's a movie that has a lot of
like really cool ideas that

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doesn't They don't necessarily
come together, but it's fun.

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I will say it's fortunate you
missed that and you'll hear it

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when you hear the episode,
simply because I'm very worried

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that myself and our Co hosts,
like are going to be like if you

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search sex pests, our names are
going to come up basically as we

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talk about that movie.
So you may have dodged a bullet

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with that one.
I think Brian and Steve and

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we're like, dude, what are you
doing right now?

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It's a few points in the
recording, but yeah, that will

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be a fun little treat for our
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Fair to say.
Like as fun as that movie is,

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like the box office for, it's a
bit underwhelming.

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Yeah, what they expected.
I don't think it performs even

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on par with like the AVP movies,
which they thought we're gonna

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honestly should have done really
big business just given how

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people were clamoring for those
films, and they just don't

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really deliver.
Fox still feels like there's

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life in the franchise.
It's intellectual property they

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own.
They got to do something with

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it.
But also like, well, we need to

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change things up.
So in 2014, they approach Shane

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Black and say that he is going
to like, Co write and direct the

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new entry.
And, you know, at this point,

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like, it's fair to say that,
like, while he might not be

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necessarily the most prolific,
he is one of the most respected

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screenwriters of the past 40
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He starts right out of the gate
with Lethal Weapon.

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I mean, say what you will about
Mel Gibson, and we could say a

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lot.
It's fair to say that's a fairly

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beloved film and a fairly
beloved, like, action comedy

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franchise.
And, oh, it was a big Black

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style.
It was all over that, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
That was a huge hit.

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That was another one of those
kind of cultural touchstone

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moments in the 80s.
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So he's doing films like, you
know, writes the first four

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Lethal Weapon films all through
the 80s and 90s.

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He writes action hero, the Last
Boy Scout.

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He has a writing credit on the
Monster Squad along with like,

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that's where he teams up with
Fred Decker, who directs that

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film like a beloved Halloween.
I would say like a really solid

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gateway horror film and loving
tribute to the kind of monster

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movies that we grew up with from
Universal Films.

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And then in 2000, 1005, he
writes and directs Kiss Kiss

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Bang Bang with Robert Downey
Junior and Val Kilmer with

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Robert Downey Junior playing
like a leave a detective in that

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movie, kind of a Private Eye.
And it's a movie that

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revitalizes like Robert Downey
Junior's career.

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It reminds people, oh, this is
what this guy can do again.

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And maybe it's fair to say that
maybe RDJ doesn't get Iron Man

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if he doesn't re awake people.
Like if Black doesn't use him to

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such using all his talents in
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, maybe we

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never get Iron Man.
And maybe the whole course of

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what movies look like for the
next 20 years and counting

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changes dramatically, right?
Yeah, no, absolutely.

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I think if he doesn't get Kiss
Kiss Bang Bang and he doesn't

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like not 'cause the production
any problems, then he doesn't he

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doesn't get an Iron Man because
I think those two things are are

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are are really connected because
of earlier in his career when

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things were going downhill.
He was apparently his, you know,

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drug problem was really getting
in the IT got getting in the way

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of production.
Yeah.

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I mean, he ended up serving time
at one point for his

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misbehavior.
And I think at one point, like

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he was considered like
uninsurable.

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Like it was just one of those
performers you would couldn't

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make get to, you couldn't hire
because insurance companies

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weren't going to back the film
at that point because of the

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troubles that Robert Downey
Junior would have.

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Like one of the more remarkable
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history and.
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I don't think we have, like, I
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that necessarily fits the
framework of our frame of what

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we do here.
So we don't really get to talk

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about Robert Downey Junior a
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Not.
Necessarily, I can't think of

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anything either, no.
You would think like at some

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point, like, you know, even a
heifer.

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Kiefer Sutherland has flatliners
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Lost Boys, but you would think

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like coming out of that, even
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actor with who got into some hot
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say like we ever do Salem's Lot
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Like he would fit the mold as
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But nothing for RDJ Oscar winner
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So I, I don't ever see us
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It's just not what we do here.
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thing, what is it?
Oh, Less than 0 is kind of not a

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horror movie.
It's pretty dark, yeah, but not,

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you know, not technically a
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Not something we would do so,
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you know, a few years later,
Black is hired to write and

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direct Iron Man 3.
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off the heels of The Avengers,
which for a time was like one of

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the most, it still is like one
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all time.
Iron Man 2, he'd kind of

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sputtered a bit that one,
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huge success, creatively it felt
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Iron Man in The Avengers film.
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considered like a really nice
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like that actually, it's pretty
lightweight, but it's a fairly

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fun another Chrisette.
That's the thing Shane Black is

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known for.
Steven pointed this out when we

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were kind of chatting about this
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Steven pointed out that this
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Christmas time movie in Shane
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Like that is something that he
does in every film.

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I don't know about his new one.
Like he has a Play dirty.

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It's actually kind of
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We're talking about Shane Black
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new movie on a streamer.
I think it's on Amazon.

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Play Dirty.
It's one of the Parker novel

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adaptations and I hear it's not
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So another one we won't be
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like fairly inert.
It's like Shane Black doing a

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streaming movie and Mark
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miscast.
So although I'll say this like,

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I don't know what I would ever
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Like, I don't, I don't
understand his career and why.

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People go to Mark Wahlberg.
I don't either.

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He was.
Aside from maybe like the first

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Ted movie, which is really
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I don't know, think that movie
is funny because of Mark

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Wahlberg, but yeah, I don't
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The one thing that I've seen him
in that I felt like he was

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perfectly cast was honestly the
departed.

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Yeah, he was.
You're 100.

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Percent right.
You're 100% right.

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Very good casting, but other
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So that in Ted, basically
anytime you remove him from like

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Boston, you're kind of asking
for trouble.

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At that point you're asking,
although I think Ted is

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Providence, but that's little
Boston.

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If anyone knows Providence, RI,
like that's like Boston's little

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cousin.
So anyway, he makes the nice

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guys in 2014.
That movie is like not a

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success, but becomes a cult
classic that becomes a movie

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that people absolutely love.
Now, action comedy, something he

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does so well.
It's.

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Very funny, Yeah.
I thought it was very funny and

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it was a great role for Ryan
Gosling.

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Yeah.
Russell Crowe Yeah, they were

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both very good, right?
But yeah, it's a very, it's, I

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think that's a, that's a very
entertaining movie.

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When people think Russell Crowe,
they're not thinking like, oh,

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here's a guy that can be dry and
hilarious.

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Like that's not what they think
of like Gladiator and LA

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Confidential and Master and
Commander and then the guy who

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beat someone mercilessly with
like a corded cell, a corded

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phone as well, like that.
So this was kind of an out of

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left field performance.
You know he's kind.

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Of he's kind of like Slubby and
kind of not really fully

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together and it's a different,
it's a different kind of role

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for pro.
It's not something you usually

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see from him.
And I know it's something that

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people have clamored for, like
why are we not getting any sort

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of follow up?
So even though it's not like

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necessarily commercially
successful at the time, it's one

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of those movies that who I think
it's always on Netflix, for

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example, like it is become like
kind of a beloved cult classic

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in some ways.
Yeah, I think the word of mouth

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has has done it a lot of service
through the years.

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Yeah.
And what intrigues Black like

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Black talks about not
necessarily wanting to jump on

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with this movie initially in
Fox, basically promises him a

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couple things, like, look, we
have another Alien prequel

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coming out right around this
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And we really want to, like,
market these movies.

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We really want to make them like
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So Black talks about like being
intrigued at the idea of doing

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something he hasn't necessarily
gotten to do, which is make like

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a big spectacle type of movie.
Like when you watch like his

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movies aren't, I wouldn't say
necessarily rooted in reality,

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but it is an exaggerated
reality.

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But it's they're also very
grounded.

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Like you can see these things.
They're not they're not outside

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of the realm of possibility.
So he talks about say, he's

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basically says in an interview
with Realist, what if we said to

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you this is what Fox pitches to
him?

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What have we said to you?
We want to reinvent this.

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We really treat it as much of an
event status or as much hoopla

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as we would the Alien prequel,
which is coming out.

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Also, we really want to make
this something the kind of movie

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people line up for.
So to Black, that means like

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money and creative freedom and
getting to work with a beloved

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property.
So he's on board.

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So he and Fred Decker set out to
write the script for this one.

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And the initial script, like all
of the other Predator movies

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before it, includes an Arnold
cameo, which Schwarzenegger

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turns down because it is a cameo
and he's like, AI would make

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next to nothing on it.
And B, it's just too small for

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me to turn up for a day and do
this.

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Although think the idea behind
it was it would set up the next

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sequel.
Like in Arnold would have been a

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much bigger part.
It almost would have been like

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you're going to return.
There are other things I read

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where he tied it more into the
Alien franchise.

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Or at one point like Ripley
would have been in like 1 of the

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pods on the Alien ships or Newt
from Aliens would have been in

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one of the pods on the giant
Predator ship.

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Like wanted to tie it more
directly into that.

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I don't think it ever went past
like a draft stage of it.

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I don't think it's anything
that's ever been.

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Film, but they land like a
pretty compelling lead right

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away.
Benicio Del Toro was originally

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cast as the lead of this film.
Oh wow, that's surprising.

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That would be a completely
different movie.

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Would have been really.
Fun.

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Yeah, he's he's amazing.
He's an outstanding actor.

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Boyd Holbrook is good.
I've I've seen him things that I

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that I really liked him in.
But yeah, Benicio del Toro's,

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yeah, that's a that's crazy.
See, I have in my notes like

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once del Toro drops out and they
get Boyd Holbrook, I have like

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Boyd we should have gotten Hal
Holbrook like that is who I

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would have would have been also
a much different movie.

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That's a completely.
Different.

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Movie Are you telling me you
wouldn't want to see the beloved

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Mark Twain cosplayer Hal
Holbrook against an 11 foot

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predator?
It would have been a short

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movie.
Yeah, So what?

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Yeah, cuz Hal Holbrook would
have fucked him up.

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He would have had to lure the
ex-wife into the predator's

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clutches and she would have
died.

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You know, just call her Billy.
Would have to name the ex-wife

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Billy at that point.
But I do for a creep show.

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Watch every Halloween season.
Yeah, I will get to that this

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this season too.
Yeah, for sure.

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Adore that movie.
So tell me about like I am not

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familiar with Boyd Holbrook.
So what I know he's done Narcos

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and he's done some other.
What is he like known for and

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what is the appeal Like?
Why do you think he would have

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been cast or something like
this?

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I think he has the he the stuff
that he's been in in the past

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has been, you know, a lot more
or the stuff that he's known for

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is a lot more action oriented.
He was in Logan.

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He was one of the the heavies,
one of the main heavies in Logan

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and he's good in that role.
Trying to see here what else he

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would have been known for before
this.

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Lots of TV, but yeah, Logan.
And then later on he ends up

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doing Justified City Primeval,
which was like the the very

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short or the short run
miniseries of rebooting

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Justified.
And he's very good in that.

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Like he's really compelling
villain in that he's in bike

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riders as well after with Tom
Hardy and what's her name, Jodie

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Comer.
And he holds his own with both

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of them, who are very good
actors.

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It's a bike riders with Austin
Butler.

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Yes, yes, he's in that because
it's a whole motorcycle gang.

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So there's a whole, you know,
the, the backup of the sporting

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character.
There's a whole cast of sporting

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characters.
But he's very good, you know,

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and he's, he's in there with Tom
Hardy, Michael Shannon, Jodie

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Comer and, you know, he's, he's
holding his own.

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He's not a, he's not a bad actor
at all.

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I think the the role in this is
a little thin for him.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And that's, you know, going
through some notes like Devon,

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who's couldn't jump on today,
said the same thing, like likes

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a performance but a really thin
character.

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And that is this film to, I
think a tee where there are a

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few attempts to let it cook a
little bit.

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But you can see where these are
not the most well developed,

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well-rounded.
It's a little bit like one note

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being smashed over and over
again with a good drumstick.

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So well, in a sign of like how
this production is going to get

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really rocky very quickly,
Battlestar Galactica's Edward

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James Olmos is also cast as one
of the film's human antagonist,

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General Woodhurst.
And he is actually filmed, like

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there are scenes with him in the
movie, probably about 10 to 15

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minutes worth.
Like, he's basically the one

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pulling Traeger strings, like
directing Traeger where to go.

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And he is completely cut from
the final movie, like doesn't

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even appear in it.
And when interviewed, Elbos

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would say, well, you know, they
felt the film was a little bit

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too long, which you can see it's
approaching an hour and 50

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minutes, which is probably my
least favorite runtime in a

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film.
Like, if you are at an hour 50,

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either be 90 minutes, which I
think is the perfect length for

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a movie like this, or be over 2
hours, like an hour 50.

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I hate that.
He'd said there already were

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some concerns about the runtime
and his character wasn't

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necessarily needed in order to
move things along.

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So he got a paycheck.
He showed up, got a paycheck,

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but isn't in it.
Yeah, I can totally see that you

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don't have.
You don't.

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You don't need to know who's
pulling Traeger strings as

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you're watching the film.
No, I mean, I don't know.

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It's just like he's a government
OP, like, and they're out to get

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this weaponry and that's pretty
much all you need to know.

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It doesn't have to be too
complicated, right?

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And I think that's one of the
things that the best Predator

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movies are uncomplicated.
And like the first one, Prey, it

447
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is that you have this giant
hunter from another planet

448
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,520
whittling down humans one by one
while they try to figure out

449
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,160
what's going on in fight back.
And I think what you see we'll

450
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,880
talk about when we get to the
movie.

451
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,840
It gets maybe a little bit too
complicated for itself at times,

452
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,440
so.
But that was just one sign, like

453
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,160
this movie is playing from the
get go.

454
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,520
So early on, there's like leak
set photos of the group of

455
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,200
loonies that are alongside 2
what we call good guy predators.

456
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,320
And you're like, huh, that's
really odd. 2 good guy

457
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,640
predators.
I remember 1 not necessarily

458
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560
good guy predator in this movie.
Those photos are met with like

459
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,080
skepticism and criticism online.
Like what are we doing here?

460
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,640
Film was originally slated for a
March 2018 release.

461
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Films in March of 2017,
initially in Toronto, the

462
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,560
Toronto area, the date keeps
getting moved around and then

463
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,640
instead of coming out in March
of 2018, Fox and Shane Black for

464
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,720
nearly three weeks of reshoots,
like a pretty heavy stands of

465
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,520
shooting.
Yeah, that is almost like not

466
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,280
even a reshoot at that point.
Like that is you are refilming

467
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,280
the movie and it completely
changes the structure of the

468
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,240
movie.
It changes character beats, the

469
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,680
tone is different.
The elements of the story become

470
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,880
different.
At the third act is basically

471
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,600
scrapped the one that had
already been filmed and done.

472
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,240
Like they completely toss it
out.

473
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280
It is scrapped and completely
redone.

474
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,120
And then you have a different
epilogue to what the originally

475
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,360
hoped for.
Which again, can we convince

476
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,000
Arnold to come out, do this
cameo in one of the ships and

477
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,680
lead to the next movie.
Instead you get this really odd

478
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,000
epilogue that seems like tacked
on from the beginning of the

479
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,400
movie.
It's at the end of the movie

480
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,680
that it doesn't.
Feels like, feels like they

481
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,720
specifically put that in there.
That's one of those that feels

482
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,400
like it was specifically added
to try and convince the audience

483
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,240
to come back for the next movie.
Yep, yeah, don't worry.

484
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,880
We have more like, you know, and
I don't know, I feel like this

485
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280
series works because they're not
necessarily all connected to one

486
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,480
another.
Like they make reference into

487
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,560
the other movie.
So you have this interconnected

488
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,560
world, but you can jump in on
any of the Predator movies and

489
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,880
you're not going to feel lost.
Like the idea is so simple that

490
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,880
you can jump in and not feel
lost.

491
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,680
You don't have to watch them in
order.

492
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,800
It's not like the Saw series
where Saw 6 comes out.

493
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,120
And if you have not watched the
five movies before it, you're

494
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,600
probably.
Getting any idea what's

495
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,280
happening?
Yeah, even like the Paranormal

496
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,080
Activity series, like something
like that, where you jump into

497
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,880
that movie, like Part 3 and
you're like, I don't know why

498
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,120
these characters are important.
You can kind of get it, but

499
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,480
you're going to feel lost.
I feel like The Purge is another

500
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,960
franchise where for the most
part, at least, like three or

501
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,880
four of those movies, you can
kind of get in on any point and

502
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,720
you're going to feel like I
haven't missed too much.

503
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,160
I get the basic conceit of it
and you can kind of hop around a

504
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,320
little bit.
Right.

505
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,880
Yeah, No, I I agree with that
completely.

506
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,880
This, and this one is, it's
interesting because of the ones

507
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,840
that I can remember at this
point, this is the one that has

508
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,000
the most connections back to the
previous movies in a way.

509
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,600
So yeah.
In a way it does, but it does it

510
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200
in a way where all they're doing
is like referencing the other

511
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920
movies, like, right, You don't
necessarily have had to seen

512
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,000
them.
Like you're not going to be

513
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,520
lost.
But I mean, you get really

514
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,200
blatant things in this movie
that are meant to make the

515
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,080
audience do the DiCaprio meme
where you point in the screen,

516
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,800
right?
And it's not so egregious that

517
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,840
like, you're like, all right, I
hate this movie for it, but

518
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,960
you're like, all right, I get
what you're doing here.

519
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,320
So this is what Fred Decker says
about the whole process.

520
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Like he had Co written this with
Shane Black.

521
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,280
And in an interview with Joe
Blow after the film comes out,

522
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
he said, well, what was
interesting to Shane and I was

523
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,400
to ask a question that nobody
seems to give a shit about,

524
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,560
which is what do predators do
except for Hunt?

525
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,640
I'll just jump in.
That's kind of a problem when

526
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,120
you, like, you are asking a
question in a movie that nobody

527
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320
else cares about.
It's like you got to know your

528
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080
audience a bit.
And if you're writing something

529
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,680
for yourself, great.
If you're writing to get people

530
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040
butts and seats, then you got to
ask like, well, is this really

531
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,800
important?
I don't necessarily need the

532
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,520
inner workings of like the
predators lives in order to get

533
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,720
invested in the movie.
Like, I don't want, like, a

534
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,360
what's the romantic entanglement
of predators back in whatever

535
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,840
their home planet is, anyway?
Decker goes on to say.

536
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,080
Because they invented
interstellar spacecraft.

537
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,760
They're not stupid.
They're not just a bunch of

538
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,680
Arkansas rednecks who come to
Earth to play the most dangerous

539
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400
game.
They actually have a

540
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,400
civilization and a culture.
And presumably that's worth

541
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400
exploring since none of the
other movies do it.

542
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,720
And I would argue that, like,
that's a pretty, you know, what

543
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,400
happens when you make an
assumption?

544
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,280
You make an ass out of you and
me.

545
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Like, we don't want to pursue
anything, Mr. Deck.

546
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Yeah, I think it kind of, I
think it depends.

547
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,200
You know, I think with fiction
and storytelling, that's one of

548
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,240
those questions that comes down
to can you make it work?

549
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,560
That's really always the the
question at the the last

550
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,960
question that matters is can you
make it work?

551
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,800
Because you can do things I
think like that, that are a

552
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,480
little bit out of left field.
But if you can't make it work,

553
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,200
you can't make it work.
And that's just the end of the

554
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,800
story.
But it, you know, and when you

555
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
can make it work, you get
something that's unexpected and

556
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,400
different and, you know, So
yeah, it's just you just have to

557
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,560
be able to tell, like, does this
actually work?

558
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,000
Is this going to serve?
Yeah, I would say in predators

559
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,760
it works in having three
different styles of predator and

560
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,160
they each have their own
strengths.

561
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,640
They have their own abilities
and also seeing like the

562
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,360
original predator or that like
species or or ethnicity of

563
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,920
original predator in that one as
well.

564
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920
And where he fits kind of on the
pecking order because, you know,

565
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,360
as we see him in the first
movie, you would think like, oh,

566
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960
this is like the ultimate
fighting machine right here.

567
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,520
And then as the series goes on
and you introduce different

568
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,760
predators, how he's a bit lower
on the pecking order overall.

569
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,160
And you get the assumption with
this one that like the Rouge

570
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,600
predator, is it a bit younger?
Yeah.

571
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,440
And almost like a almost like a
teen or an adolescent predator

572
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,280
in some ways.
And how easy he gets to, how

573
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,000
easily he gets disposed of by
the Uber Predator.

574
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,440
So I think that part of it is
fascinating.

575
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,800
But I don't necessarily need a
lot of intensive back story

576
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,040
about their planet and where
they're coming from.

577
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,560
And I think the idea itself
works because it's so simple.

578
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Alien is also, yeah.
I was just going to say I think

579
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,520
for kind of an addition to the
story or as a way of solving the

580
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600
kind of Mac Guffin of what are
we, what is at the center of our

581
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,360
story here, that what they do
present in this movie isn't

582
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,880
isn't bad from a from a
storytelling point of view.

583
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,880
I think it works OK.
It works pretty well.

584
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Going too much further into it
in the movie as it exists would

585
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,880
have been a problem.
Yeah.

586
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840
It would have just been too
much.

587
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,920
I feel like the Alien series is
guilty of this as well,

588
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,080
especially in the back half of
it where the more you try to

589
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,320
explain the Xenomorph like in
its origins, the less

590
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,520
frightening they become.
Alien works because you land on

591
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,720
LV420 and you get almost as
love, crafty and level of horror

592
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,880
that's going on where the
universe is so large and vast

593
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,480
and expansive and there are
these ginormous creatures that

594
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,640
are beyond our scope and
comprehension and the universe

595
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880
frankly doesn't care about you
as a human.

596
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,440
That is a terrifying concept.
And then you introduce the

597
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,560
singular monster into it and
it's incredible.

598
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,000
And then you get to aliens.
And I would argue the more

599
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,720
aliens you have, the less
frightening they become.

600
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,800
It just becomes like beating
video game levels.

601
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,159
And then you get to like David
being the architect of the

602
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,719
Xenomorph and also like Waylon
Yutani and Alien Earth, like

603
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,040
knowing these creatures exist in
sending probes out basically to

604
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,920
collect samples.
All of that to me cheapens the

605
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,800
mystery of that monster.
And I almost want to take every

606
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,520
other as much as I like that
series, want to remove all the

607
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,760
other films from it.
Yeah, I, I think that that is, I

608
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,960
can see and see that why you
would feel that way.

609
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,159
And I think that's always the
that is always the problem of

610
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,120
the sequelification.
Like the more sequels you do,

611
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,040
the more you have to give these
characters or these creatures to

612
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,840
do, which by definition means
more exposure.

613
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,120
You're going to have to say more
about them.

614
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,880
All of that stuff.
For me, I don't in the Alien

615
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,440
series, I kind of like where
Prometheus goes.

616
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:08,160
I enjoyed Alien Earth for very
different reasons, but I liked

617
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:14,040
where Prometheus goes.
Prometheus is my second favorite

618
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,360
in the series.
Like I adore Prometheus.

619
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,040
I think I adore that movie
because it explores the Alien

620
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,120
universe without being about the
Xenomorph.

621
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,480
Like it explores that whole
world and the vastness of it

622
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,800
without necessarily.
It doesn't have to answer

623
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,640
everything.
It provides like some answers,

624
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,480
but it opens up some more things
as well.

625
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,240
I'm thinking more of Covenant
when you specifically have David

626
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,760
literally engineering the
Xenomorphs and I'm like, this is

627
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,720
now like, you're just Doctor
Frankenstein.

628
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,040
It's another Frankenstein film
by yeah, it's nature.

629
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,920
It becomes very convenient
within the within the already

630
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,040
established universe of the
film.

631
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Yeah, Yeah, it is.
It's a little clunky.

632
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Yeah, it's a little clunky in.
Australia I only I've only

633
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,720
watched about half a alien Earth
and I will finish it.

634
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,840
But like I guess with episode 5,
it starts to pick up and the

635
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,720
finale's supposed to be great.
So I'll finish it.

636
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,160
But like it, it's it's been a
bit of a slog.

637
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560
I think I said this a we talk
predators like it's been a bit

638
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,920
tricky to get through that one.
I really appreciated that.

639
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,040
I thought it was very, very good
because I think it is pretty

640
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
different from the rest of the
franchise, but also in certain

641
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,920
ways very similar.
It's asking similar questions,

642
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,160
but it's coming to the answers
in a way that's very different.

643
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,640
And I think also with a
background in child psychology,

644
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,440
to me, like that's some of the
most interesting stuff.

645
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,400
About the story, where it.
Eventually ends up going and all

646
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,280
that stuff so.
Well, maybe I'll enjoy that

647
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,400
second-half a bit more.
We'll see what happens.

648
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,120
But getting back to this,
getting back to the reshoot,

649
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,120
basically one of the big things
is the third act was initially

650
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,280
filmed during the day.
Like Black wanted to have

651
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,240
daytime set action pieces and
unfortunately, like the nature

652
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,360
of the predator where it's
supposed to be able to hide and

653
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,240
camouflage in with the
environment.

654
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,600
And also like daytime effects
are harder to light.

655
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,880
Like the effects just look
awful.

656
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:24,800
So that's one thing, is they
have to move the whole third act

657
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,280
and the big action sequence to
the night time.

658
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,920
And also they start cutting very
important plot points and story

659
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,720
points for the film.
For example, the idea was there

660
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:40,120
were going to be two good guy
predators that were on this

661
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,840
mission to like save Earth
somehow.

662
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,800
And they're at one point going
to team up with the Loonies and

663
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,960
going to combine forces.
And you can see I believe some

664
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,160
of that in the initial trailers
for the film.

665
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Those things are cut because
this movie, because they had to,

666
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,880
like, do so many reshoots.
It's edited down to the bone,

667
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,680
and there are points where it
feels almost incoherent at

668
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,280
times.
Yeah, you.

669
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,400
Can feel how, how Yeah, you can
definitely feel how, how deeply

670
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,200
edited it was, how much was cut
off.

671
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,920
There are set photos of Keegan
Michael Key and heavily scarred

672
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,760
makeup suggesting his death
occurred much earlier in the

673
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,480
film.
Like that's not in the final

674
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,320
product.
Black wanted to release his

675
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,320
version of the film, including
the original third act on the

676
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,360
physical media release, and Fox
declined.

677
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,560
They're like a There's just not
enough demand for he.

678
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640
I think he wanted to call it
Predator AM.

679
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,200
The Predator PM basically had to
show the difference, but it

680
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,440
would have taken more money and
resources because the effects

681
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,680
weren't necessarily finished.
And Fox is like, I can't blame

682
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,160
them for this.
Like, there's not enough demand

683
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,720
for this movie out there in
order for us to want to throw

684
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,640
millions more at it to finish
this film.

685
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,840
So it's in.
I can't think of anyone that's

686
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,960
really clamored for it either
saying like, we want to think

687
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,720
that would say like Black's
vision would be that much

688
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,920
different or better.
Well, I think, you know, the

689
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:19,280
Alien versus Predator movies cut
the goodwill for the franchise

690
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,760
so deeply that after, you know,
that after those, it really took

691
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,760
the kind of surprise of Prey
being released and actually

692
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,040
being like quite good for the
for to get the audience goodwill

693
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,240
toward the franchise.
Back, I think you're right.

694
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,440
I think that especially Requiem.
I didn't remember HAVP.

695
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,280
It's been a long time since I
watched it.

696
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,680
I have a memory of that being
like AP.

697
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,200
GI don't remember that much of
it because I've only seen each

698
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,400
of those films once.
Same.

699
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,840
And I and for me, I like I am
the audience that at that point

700
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,360
noped out.
I was like, whatever they're

701
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600
doing over here, it's not worth
it.

702
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,600
The movies are not going to be
good enough now.

703
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,120
It is.
It's APG, Yeah.

704
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,760
And what's unusual there is
every other movie in the series

705
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,880
is a rated R movie.
So you water down the violence,

706
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,720
you water down the tone of those
movies by doing it and thinking

707
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,160
like we're going to appeal to a
broader audience.

708
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,920
And again, sometimes you have to
know your market and what people

709
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,760
are looking for and what people
want.

710
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,280
Not that like you can get away
with a lot now in APG movie.

711
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,320
I mean, there's I mean, yeah.
And you also you look at some of

712
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,000
what like Alien Earth has done
in terms of violence on

713
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,320
television.
You can do a lot more than you

714
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,720
used to.
But I think that rightly or

715
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,360
wrongly, just the rating alone,
it's going to stick in fans

716
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,040
minds and you know, you're not
getting, you know what you could

717
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,040
really do, You're limiting
yourself to a certain extent.

718
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,320
Yeah.
I mean, especially, yeah, with

719
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,160
two series that have been, you
know, hard R rated films, yeah.

720
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,640
So you're probably right in that
No2 movies may have done more to

721
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,200
kind of kill the goodwill of a
franchise than like those AVP

722
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,920
movies, and it didn't seem to
affect the Alien series quite as

723
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200
much.
Prometheus is a pretty huge

724
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,280
financial success.
That's.

725
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,400
Also Ridley Scott coming.
Back exactly.

726
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Which is a lot of, I think why
that goodwill returns for Alien,

727
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,600
because after, I mean,
resurrection has its charms, but

728
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,800
I I was, I was ready to be done
with the yeah, you know, and,

729
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,120
and, and then again, after the
Alien VS Predators, I was like,

730
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,520
I'm ready to be done with those
of these.

731
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,880
Like, I don't expect anything
good to come out of either.

732
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,160
Yeah.
So Prometheus is really divisive

733
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,120
because when Covenant comes out,
it does like half of the box

734
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,800
office of what?
And to me like, to be honest,

735
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,800
like with Covenant, the Alien is
like the least interesting part

736
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,440
of that movie.
Like there are a lot of really

737
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,360
interesting ideas of that movie.
And the Xenomorph itself is like

738
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,080
the least interesting part of
it.

739
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,400
It very much feels like Ridley
Scott is throwing the Xenomorph

740
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,040
in there and saying, I know this
is what you want to say.

741
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,000
Yeah, here it is.
But he doesn't really care that

742
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,320
much about.
Me, no, no.

743
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,680
And you can feel that.
You can feel that with that one.

744
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,080
And then Romulus is a nice
bounce back because you have

745
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,080
another director with a fairly
clear vision that knows what he

746
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,600
wants to do and borrows pretty
heavily from the first film, but

747
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,040
does enough with it to make it
its own thing.

748
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,160
And it feels like that.
Siri, it'd be it's going to be

749
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,640
interesting how Badlands does in
theaters because Prey is so

750
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,520
beloved.
And it's one of those things

751
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,640
where I know people have said,
like, well, if everybody who

752
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,680
watched Prey on Hulu that first
weekend went to the theater to

753
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880
see it, it would have made 200
million.

754
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,280
That I think, as we all know,
would not have been the case.

755
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Like, right, people watch it on
Hulu that first weekend because

756
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,600
you have a Hulu subscription and
it's free, not because you're

757
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,600
paying 15 bucks or more for a
ticket.

758
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,200
But and you can do it from your
couch, you know, I think it'll

759
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,720
do.
Well, it'll be interesting to

760
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,640
see, like coming right after for
Halloween season if there's an

761
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,800
appetite for it.
So that should be fascinating.

762
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
I'm planning on, I'm definitely
planning on trying to see that

763
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,640
in the theater because I did.
I was, I enjoyed price so much.

764
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,200
And they have the, you know, the
Dan Trachtenberg is coming back

765
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,640
for for bad lands.
So yeah, yeah.

766
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,240
And I like Trachtenberg's work
in general, so.

767
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,120
Give me one second, OK?
Yeah, cuz he also did 10

768
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,720
Cloverfield Lane, which I did
not expect to be at all good and

769
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,240
ends up being a movie that I
quite liked.

770
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Yeah.
Yeah, if I like Dan Cloverfield

771
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Lane a lot as well.
Different.

772
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,120
Probably the only.
It's like 3 in that series.

773
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,800
Yeah.
I mean, it's another example of

774
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,120
like, we can do a franchise, but
not necessarily have to do the

775
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,320
same thing over and over and
over again.

776
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,440
I like Cloverfield, but I
actually might like 10

777
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Cloverfield Lane better.
Yep, I hear that.

778
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,560
Yeah, I can definitely.
I mean, it's John Goodman.

779
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,240
John Goodman is always
fantastic.

780
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,480
So there are some other
controversies and unfortunately

781
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,560
these are a little more serious
when it comes to just like doing

782
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,280
reshoots. 1.
Black hires a long time friend

783
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,120
of his, Steven Wilder Striegel,
for a very small role in the

784
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,800
movie.
If you think of Olivia, Munn's

785
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,520
character is kind of introduced
very abruptly.

786
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,080
It's because she is initially
there's a preamble to that where

787
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,480
she's approached by a man in the
park and he hits on her and she

788
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,040
dismisses him.
That part was played by

789
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Striegel.
What Black doesn't tell Munn,

790
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,400
the cast, the crew or Fox is
that Striegel was a registered

791
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,600
sex offender that had done time
he had solicited like a young

792
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,120
girl, a teenage girl for like,
sex on the Internet.

793
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Munn finds out after filming the
scene in only a few days before

794
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,200
this film was to be locked down
basically like this is it, This

795
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,760
is what we're.
Supposed to be going into Final

796
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,400
Cut, Yeah, right.
She immediately goes to Fox and

797
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,520
is like you need to cut him from
the movie.

798
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,800
Like absolutely.
I will not do any press like

799
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,880
absolutely and feels disgusted,
which you cannot blame her at

800
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,400
all.
Like, absolutely within her

801
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,600
rights.
So Fox thankfully does remove

802
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,040
the scene.
In the aftermath, it feels like

803
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Munn suffers the harshest
consequences.

804
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,600
Like the male members of the
cast seem to really avoid her on

805
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200
the press junket and avoid
talking about her.

806
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,480
In the times leading up to the
premiere, Black issues a public

807
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,360
apology, but according to Munn,
he never reached out to her

808
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,480
personally to apologize for what
happened.

809
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,760
He makes like a not 1/2 hearted.
He makes what feels like a

810
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,440
genuine statement of contrition,
but that's a public facing move.

811
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,080
Like he never reaches out to
her.

812
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,520
So she's talking in enemy about
the situation.

813
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,680
She says it's honestly
disheartening to have to fight

814
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,480
for something so hard that it's
just so obvious to me.

815
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,160
I don't know why this has to be
such a hard fight.

816
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,760
I do feel like I've been treated
by some people that I'm the one

817
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,400
who went to jail or I'm the one
who put this guy on set.

818
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,600
I found out and it was important
to me to have the scene deleted

819
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,120
and she is like 1000% in the
right.

820
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Yeah, yeah.
No, absolutely.

821
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,200
I, I it's, yeah.
It it's sad that this is a

822
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,320
question.
Yeah, yeah.

823
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,480
That's just, yeah, it's sad that
there's a question.

824
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,560
There's also a lot of
controversy, adversity about the

825
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,600
portrayal of autism in this
movie, and I think maybe we'll

826
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,280
hold that for discussion of the
film.

827
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,440
It feels like it's directly like
everything I learned from

828
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,520
autism, I learned from watching
Rain Band is kind of how this

829
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
one feels.
And I am not an expert on that

830
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120
in that field myself.
Like it's not something where I

831
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,800
can proclaim to have like the
most knowledge of it, but I'm.

832
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Not an expert but I am autistic
so I can speak to that.

833
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,320
OK.
To a degree, so yeah.

834
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,960
That will be great.
I am going to be fascinated to

835
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,360
hear your take on it because I'd
imagine walking out of there and

836
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,840
feeling like I have been
pandered to and a little bit

837
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:05,520
insulted.
Yes, yes, it has it has very you

838
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:12,600
know the scene in in Avengers
end game when all the women come

839
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,880
up and it's like the big the
girls get things done 2nd and

840
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,240
everybody was like boss.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, It has it has

841
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,760
that energy for autistic people.
Yeah, that's how I, I, I'm.

842
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,280
I feel I don't think I can fault
you there.

843
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,400
So eventually the release is
shuffled from March and then

844
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,120
August and eventually settles on
September of 2018.

845
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,520
Makes its debut at the Toronto
International Film Fest.

846
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,120
The reviews are brutal and the
audiences are not much kinder to

847
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,760
this movie.
It limps to about 55,000,000 at

848
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,400
the domestic box office and only
about 110 million elsewhere.

849
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,320
It's budgeted at close to
$90,000,000 before you even get

850
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,440
to the marketing.
So there's no world where, and

851
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,560
this is the point by 2018, the
physical media is on the decline

852
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,400
as well.
Like it's no longer the.

853
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,080
We'll make it up on DVD sales,
we'll make it up on Blu-ray

854
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,880
sales.
Like there's no, it's limited

855
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,200
special edition of the Predator
that's going to come out and

856
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,880
sell a million copies that's
going to help you break even on

857
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,560
this one, which I would say like
the rapid decline of this movie

858
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,360
is why Prey goes straight to
streaming and they go really

859
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,240
back to the basics.
Yep.

860
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,120
No, I would.
I absolutely, absolutely.

861
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,720
That's correct.
I'm sure that's exactly what

862
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,040
happened.
You're also 10 years into the

863
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,240
Marvel cycle at that point.
So they are, they're just

864
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,600
dominating the box office so
much at that point.

865
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,320
So yeah, it's a you're, you're
like right in the middle of the,

866
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,480
like height of Marvel just
running everything.

867
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,760
Because there was that time
where like Marvel was like, we

868
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,360
don't need to have separate
genres ever anymore.

869
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Like we can do like a genre film
within the Marvel structure.

870
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,320
Like if you want horror, we can
do like Doctor Strange in the

871
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,800
Mouth of Madness, which is has a
lot of horror elements to it.

872
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,320
You know, we have buddy
comedies, We have romance in our

873
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,200
films.
Although the Marvel movies are

874
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,600
like the most sexless chaste.
Everybody's beautiful and

875
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,680
nobody's horny, right?
That's nobody's horny for one

876
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,200
another.
Yeah, everybody.

877
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Is.
Impossibly beautiful and nobody

878
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,160
is horny.
It does feel like we're out of

879
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,440
that now, like.
Oh yeah, I think so.

880
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,840
Yeah, that I don't want to say I
want to see Avengers Doomsday

881
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,240
fail because I don't ever want
to see anything fail.

882
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,240
I would like it to not be in
Avengers Infinity War and game

883
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,240
level of success because it
feels like if that happens,

884
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,040
they'll learn the lesson that
like, well that's what we need

885
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,120
to do.
And that will be like every

886
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,760
single movie that comes out for
the next 5 years again.

887
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,160
I completely agree.
I completely agree.

888
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,560
I like superhero movies.
I like superhero stories.

889
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,680
I don't like the fact that
Marvel's kind of recipe for

890
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:26,680
success became the blueprint for
so many films because I do think

891
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,280
that that, you know, even within
when you're talking about, you

892
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,720
know, Doctor Strange and, you
know, some of the other stuff

893
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,160
that they've done where there's
a little bit of variation,

894
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,720
there's still like that's a much
bigger.

895
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,920
The possibilities for
storytelling within that that

896
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,160
framework are so big that I like
if, if superhero movies are

897
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,520
going to be around and are going
to be a, you know, major

898
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,360
contributor to culture, like
I'd, I'd rather see them get

899
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,280
more varied.
Yeah.

900
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,360
So yeah.
There is a point where it felt

901
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,760
like nothing else could get
made, like the idea of the $20

902
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,480
million Instead of making
$520,000,000 movies that make 40

903
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,120
or 50 million, let's make one
$200 million movie in a hope

904
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,720
that it hits a Grand Slam.
And Marvel was dropping at that.

905
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,320
At one point they were dropping
two or three of those a year.

906
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,760
Yep, yeah.
I think what really hurt them

907
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,160
was like Disney Plus and the
need to.

908
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,360
When you have your own streaming
network, you realize you can't

909
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,760
just rely on the library anymore
and say we have every Disney

910
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,920
movie, every Pixar movie, every
Marvel movie, every Star Wars

911
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,120
movie.
That will only take you so far.

912
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Then you need to have it really
hurt Star Wars and that you have

913
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,520
all of these television shows
that regardless of the quality

914
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,480
of them, these event like Star
Wars worked in part because for

915
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,720
a time it felt really special
that you got these 3 movies in

916
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:03,280
the late 70s, early 80s and then
you got three more movies in the

917
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,320
early thousands and that was it.
And then starting in 215, you

918
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,520
like, we got to do something
every year, whether it's in the

919
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,600
theater or in in your home, on
your television.

920
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,600
And especially with Marvel, you
have to watch everything to

921
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,400
understand what you're going to
see.

922
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,080
I got it.
Nobody wants to do homework.

923
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,720
They killed the public's
appetite for the event film,

924
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,360
Yeah.
You're right.

925
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,400
And I think, you know, I've seen
a lot of people talking about

926
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:42,320
how it's like a tragedy that
something is happening in

927
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,320
theaters is number one in the
box office.

928
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Because, you know, this weekend,
this past weekend, it's the

929
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,640
Taylor Swift party.
And they're talking about, you

930
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,440
know, a lot of people have been
talking about it being a

931
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,280
tragedy, that it's not a movie
that's number one at the box

932
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,240
office.
It's this other thing.

933
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,960
And but what it is, is it is an
event.

934
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,880
It's a big event.
And you know, I think that

935
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,080
Hollywood it, it would behoove
them to figure out how to do

936
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,520
events again.
You know, and I, I would, I

937
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,080
don't mind that the tailor, like
I'm not at Swifty.

938
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,040
I've made jokes before.
I don't mind the fact that like

939
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,240
people are turning out for
something like that because it's

940
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,080
getting people in a movie
theater.

941
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,640
They're buying popcorn, they're
buying soda.

942
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,280
And presuming there's like
trailers before that that are

943
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,720
kind of geared really heavily
towards like if you're a Swifty,

944
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,920
here's some movies.
There's not.

945
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,360
I saw a post from a woman saying
she was in the theater with her

946
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,000
daughter and it was like all
preteen girls.

947
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,440
You know like 7580% preteen
girls and there were like 4

948
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,760
horror film trailers before.
That's incredible.

949
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,200
And I was like, teen girls love
horror movies.

950
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,600
But that was part of what I was
reacting to too, was like, you

951
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,720
know, those are those kids could
be horror.

952
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,360
Films like you know so.
We.

953
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,320
Used to scream horror movies in
Boston.

954
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,360
We did indie films that were
playing like we did Mike

955
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Flanagan's Absentia like his
first movie when it was like

956
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,600
making the festival rounds.
We did Spring by Benson and

957
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,920
Moorhead when that was making
the festival rounds.

958
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,400
We did American Mary and Dead
Hookers in the Trunk from the

959
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Saskas and we did like a little
like 40 seat theater once a

960
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,440
month in Boston.
At one point I ran like the

961
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,200
demographics, like who turns out
and it was 60% women.

962
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,120
That's that.
Holds true.

963
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:41,800
For the the, that holds true for
the horror these days, anyway.

964
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,720
For the for the genre in
general, it's about about 60%

965
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,440
women.
And, you know, I would say that,

966
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,000
like, men are the loudest in the
community in terms of like,

967
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,720
especially what they don't like.
And unfortunately, they look

968
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:01,960
like me, like bearded, black
T-shirt wearing, chubby dudes,

969
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,840
like, and it's hard to
distinguish.

970
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,840
I feel like I'm not that guy.
They're the loudest.

971
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,960
And it ends up who studios cater
to more often than not.

972
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,680
But you get these really.
I mean, like, women love horror.

973
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,320
Like, yeah, sure, show for
trailers for it.

974
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,960
But the all that being said is
like, that's going to get some

975
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,160
people to, like turn out for
some things that maybe they

976
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,400
wouldn't have otherwise.
I wouldn't want to see that like

977
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,240
every month.
But you know what if like we're

978
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,960
not going like and it's alone,
like it's early October, it's a

979
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:37,280
little bit too, too early for
horror movies like Shelby Oaks

980
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,040
is really soon.
I'm looking forward to that.

981
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,080
It's not a bad use of theaters
to like let's do these events.

982
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,680
Well, I think that's.
Yep.

983
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,040
Part of what I was thinking is
that it does for that, that

984
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,600
young audience, that preteen
audience, it does associate the

985
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,480
movie theater with big events.
And I think that's part of what

986
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,240
like has been lost.
And I do think that Marvel is

987
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,080
responsible for a lot of that.
They just kind of wore it out.

988
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,120
They just beat the audience to
death and they weren't

989
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,520
delivering something that was
living up to the event they were

990
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,160
promising.
Totally agree.

991
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,440
Well, all of that last note in
the background here.

992
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaking on the Postmortem
podcast in 2022, Black, he owns

993
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,120
up to the failures of the movie.
Like people have tried to put it

994
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,640
on Fox and he's been like, look,
I delivered the movie.

995
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,640
It's the studio had a specific
idea.

996
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,480
We weren't able to deliver it.
So because of that, he takes

997
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,320
ownership of the failures of the
movie.

998
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:47,160
And in 2022, he talked about the
predator in context of the

999
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,440
success of Prey.
And he was like very

1000
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,840
complimentary about Prey.
And this is like a short quote I

1001
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,280
took from like a longer 1.
He talks about like what went

1002
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,200
right for Prey compared to his
own efforts and maybe why people

1003
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,160
didn't go for it.
He says we were making a drive

1004
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,360
in movie and it seems like what
now is attracting so much

1005
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,200
attention is this wonderful art
piece which just came out, which

1006
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,960
has echoes of Kubrick that maybe
this is something we should have

1007
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,440
done instead, but who knows?
So he kind of like very

1008
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,160
reflective upon like the film
not being successful and

1009
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,440
complimentary of like what
worked later on, which is speaks

1010
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,560
to Black, I would say.
No, yeah, absolutely.

1011
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,400
He's at least self reflective
enough to not, you know, just

1012
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,040
blame everybody else.
So the movie we're hour in, I

1013
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,000
think we'll talk about what went
wrong, like making it more than

1014
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,920
the movie itself, because
there's just not a lot of meat

1015
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,680
on this burger.
Yeah, and I think what went

1016
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,880
wrong making it speaks a whole
lot to like, what's wrong with

1017
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,960
it.
Yeah, you know, like why there

1018
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,240
isn't a lot of meat on there and
all that stuff.

1019
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,480
Yeah, for sure.
Where do you want to start?

1020
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,440
So for me, I would just start
with just the characters in

1021
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,680
general.
You know, they are very thin.

1022
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:15,800
And so when you have my God, why
Sterling Kay Brown in the role?

1023
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,040
What is the name of that
character?

1024
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,600
Traeger.
Traeger in the role of Traeger.

1025
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,800
Like, he's really the one who
out of the entire film, like he

1026
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,640
pops, he's the one that kind of.
But that's because it's Sterling

1027
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,000
K Brown.
Yeah, and he's the villain.

1028
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,040
He's the obstensible, like
villain of the film.

1029
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,520
And villains typically tend to
be more compelling.

1030
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,080
Right.
And I think that's also part of

1031
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,880
the problem with the film is
that Boyd Holbrooke's character,

1032
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,840
like he's you're, you've set him
up to be this kind of idea of

1033
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,360
this, you know, badass and all
of these things.

1034
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,760
But then he's also at the same
time he's the family man.

1035
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,720
And, you know, like you're kind
of, it's a lot.

1036
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,680
That's a lot to try and do with
a, with a lead character that

1037
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,480
there's just not enough.
They're not giving the the

1038
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,280
character enough time to to make
all of that feel real and

1039
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,640
believable.
So, yeah, And then, you know, I

1040
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:22,160
thought Travante Rhodes, like,
for as small as his part is and

1041
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,200
the number of lines that he ends
up having is very fun.

1042
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,160
But again, like, I'm sitting
down and I'm like, I actually

1043
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,000
want more of that.
Like, I want more of that guy.

1044
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,320
I want more of what's happening
between him and McKenna.

1045
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,720
Like that?
To me was always the stuff that

1046
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,520
was best or that is best about
the Shane West scripts.

1047
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,560
So you go back to kiss, kiss
Bang Bang.

1048
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Like the reason that movie works
is that you have Robert Downey

1049
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:55,440
Junior and Val Kilmer, who are
two outstanding actors and

1050
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,720
they're just on screen playing
together for a whole lot of that

1051
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,560
movie and the same thing.
You know, you can say what you

1052
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,440
will about Mel Gibson and I
there's plenty I will say about

1053
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,720
him certainly, but it is the
thing that makes that movie

1054
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,560
work.
Lethal Weapon is Mel Gibson and

1055
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,520
Danny Glover just being together
and playing together.

1056
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,640
Exactly.
And there's just not, you know,

1057
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,920
it doesn't play to the, to the,
to the, to Shane Black's

1058
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,560
strength to have this movie so
packed with so much stuff.

1059
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,840
There are some moments when it
really cooks, when they're kind

1060
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,000
of interplaying with one another
like you have.

1061
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,600
I think Keegan Michael Key is
Coogan and Thomas Jane is

1062
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,240
Baxley, like really work
together.

1063
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,840
They're interplay with one
another, the jokey banter, the

1064
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,520
kind of love hate relationship
they seem to have.

1065
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Yes, I don't necessarily like
the portrayal of Tourette

1066
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,720
syndrome and this no, it being
played for comedy.

1067
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,240
It's like Tourette's.
It's the funny mental illness.

1068
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,800
I don't want to be too sensitive
to it like I but like I have

1069
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,040
done counseling for folks that
have like some form of

1070
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,800
Tourette's or tic syndrome and
it can be brutal for them.

1071
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,240
But here, it's just played for
letter laughs.

1072
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,400
And that's kind of like that
kind of leads into the autism

1073
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,880
bit for me a little is both
autism and Tourette's kind of

1074
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,880
like at this point, I think when
it comes to just to presenting

1075
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,040
disabilities or yeah, let's at
least just start with

1076
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,400
disabilities presenting
disabilities on screen, like do

1077
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,000
a little bit of homework at
least.

1078
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,880
And that's not, that does not
seem to be what happened here.

1079
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,600
Like you said, with the autism
he's seen Rain Man and with

1080
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,840
Tourette's he's seen like, you
know, whatever other, you know,

1081
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,520
Farrelly Blood Brothers movie or
something that you know that has

1082
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,640
used it.
And it is this very like leaning

1083
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,320
into this very popular
conception that is not related

1084
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,920
to reality.
No.

1085
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,720
I so yeah.
It doesn't like, especially with

1086
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,120
the portrayal of Rory, who's the
young boy, who's the son here,

1087
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,640
it doesn't necessarily feel like
it's coming from like a hateful

1088
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,840
place or a place where they're
trying to make fun of it.

1089
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,120
No.
And it's almost worse in some

1090
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:24,800
ways that it's not.
It feels like, go ahead, go

1091
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,040
ahead.
I think it's just like whether

1092
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,560
or not, and this is, it's not
that it's better or worse

1093
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,960
because I do like I've
recognized that it's like he's

1094
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,680
not trying to be mean, he's not
trying to be hateful or anything

1095
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,000
like that.
That's very clear.

1096
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:45,160
But it is like you didn't care
enough to like actually learn

1097
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,800
something about it so that you
could portray it a little more

1098
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,720
realistically.
And So what that you see that

1099
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,360
like that's a very big problem
anytime you have any kind of

1100
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,960
person who is coming from a
majority background portraying

1101
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:10,400
any kind of minority, anybody
who's who is coming from a

1102
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,880
minority.
It feels like it's trying to be

1103
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,520
well-intentioned and because of
that it feels very pandering.

1104
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,000
It feels very, very pandering
and condescending.

1105
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,760
And it's also like a little
dabbling in eugenics, not in the

1106
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,400
way that's like we need to do
away with autistic people, which

1107
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,960
like, I'm not even going to get
into all that right now.

1108
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:38,320
But it is still like, well,
you're kind of not human.

1109
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,720
You're extra human, which is
better than less than human, but

1110
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,120
you're kind of not.
And it's like, no, that's that,

1111
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,320
no.
It's like treating it like it's

1112
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,760
some sort of superpower.
Yeah.

1113
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:56,280
Never felt it more in the moment
like at the end when Boyd is

1114
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,400
like he said McKenna was the
warrior and like, well, they met

1115
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,080
your son because he's artistic
and it's like.

1116
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,080
That's the next step in you
evolution.

1117
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,560
Yeah, I'm like this kid.
That seems unlikely.

1118
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,200
No, no, no, that's not.
That's not what's happening

1119
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,640
here.
Was not great.

1120
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,400
Was not, no, it's yeah, yeah.
The ability of the the the, the

1121
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:24,000
majority of the public to begin
to put the, the absolute

1122
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,120
spectrum of variation within the
human animal.

1123
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,040
We have a very big problem with
that.

1124
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,240
Yeah, we don't do it very well.
No, it's done pretty poorly.

1125
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,160
I do like the cast as a whole.
I think that it's very solid

1126
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,640
from top to bottom.
I do.

1127
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,120
I'd make one change, but you're
right.

1128
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,920
Like Trivanti Rhodes as Nebraska
is someone who is a bit more of

1129
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,880
a loose cannon, but very quickly
becomes loyal to Quinn.

1130
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,520
It's kind of like we talked
about the long walk on our

1131
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:02,080
patron episode and that fast
friendship between Ray and Pete.

1132
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,480
You kind of see that here as
well.

1133
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,920
I think Alfie Allen does not
have a lot to do is Lynch, but

1134
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,160
he's always a good presence on
screen, so I don't mind him.

1135
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,600
And I thought like the real kind
of surprise here in terms of

1136
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:24,320
having some comic chops like
Augusto Agrelia as Nettles, who

1137
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,720
I'm not sure what Nettles issue
was.

1138
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,600
Like, they never really dive
into it.

1139
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,680
And so I'm not quite sure what
his deal was.

1140
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,960
But Needless to say, like the
idea is like this team is

1141
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,440
brought together because they're
all being committed to an

1142
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,560
institution for soldiers that
are suffering severe mental

1143
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,800
illness.
Like, I will admit that there's

1144
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,400
like the mentally ill A team is
probably a show that I would

1145
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,960
watch, as much as it pains me to
say it, but I don't know if it's

1146
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,160
that something maybe we should
be doing.

1147
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,360
Like it feels like that is kind
of rife with some problematic

1148
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,240
interpretations.
Yes.

1149
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,800
I hear what you're saying about
a Boyd Holbrook too.

1150
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,320
Like he's like, I've not seen
him anything else, but you and

1151
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,520
others have mentioned like he's
typically pretty good.

1152
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,360
I didn't see it here.
This to me felt like the kind of

1153
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:23,320
role that if like Jensen Ackles
wasn't filming the 312th season

1154
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,640
of Supernatural in 2018, he
would have eaten this role for

1155
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,960
lunch.
Like they even look similar,

1156
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,640
Like similar facial structure,
similar build.

1157
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,880
I think he could have delivered
some of the hokier black

1158
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:42,040
anachronisms a bit better as
well, and I find him like a very

1159
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,480
charismatic performer that would
have held his own.

1160
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,120
I feel at times like the issue
with Holbrook, he gets a bit

1161
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,200
overrun by Williams, he gets her
overrun by Rhodes.

1162
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,880
I mean he gets overrun by Key
and Thomas Jane where they just

1163
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,040
have a lot more presence on
screen.

1164
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,640
And he's just that's the like,
yes, he's supposed to be this

1165
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,120
big badass, but he doesn't have
like any of those.

1166
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,240
They all get, you know,
community get comedic moments

1167
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,120
and you know, they get
unexpected, they get their

1168
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,479
unexpected hero moments.
But for him, like you're

1169
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,200
expecting the way that the
character is set up, like what

1170
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,880
you need for that character is
the hero moments, but then

1171
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,640
you're not able to spread them
around to the rest of the

1172
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,600
characters.
It's just a yeah, it's just,

1173
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,000
yeah, It just, it just doesn't
work in the way that it's that

1174
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,000
it's set up right now.
And.

1175
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:38,160
I will say I thought Olivia Munn
was funnier than I would have

1176
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:39,960
given her credit for before
that.

1177
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,920
She is definitely game for what
this role is asking her to do

1178
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,880
and she's not afraid to like,
engage in a little bit of

1179
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,240
buffoonery, which is really.
Silly.

1180
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,160
Yeah, no, it's silly.
And she's totally there, totally

1181
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,240
there for she's like, okay,
we're going to be silly with

1182
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,520
this.
The best laugh I got in the

1183
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,439
whole film was like when she's
on top of the bus and Holbrook

1184
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,200
is like, jump down, I got you.
And then he moves at the last

1185
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,760
second and he's like, oh, sorry.
Like that made me laugh.

1186
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,640
Like, that's a good little
moment there.

1187
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:14,720
Yep.
And I liked it.

1188
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,760
Like she's clumsy.
Like when she jumps over the

1189
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,760
railing after doing the grenade,
she gets stuck.

1190
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,080
You know, like they're not we're
not getting the like you said,

1191
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,120
like the girl boss moment in in
adventures in end game.

1192
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:33,000
It's like, no, like this is a
person who like they study like

1193
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,160
plants and animals who are
living.

1194
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,760
Like they're not going to all of
a sudden be like, oh, also I'm a

1195
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:44,720
a mark mark sniper as well and I
knew Kung Fu like that's just

1196
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,920
not going to happen.
But she's never like a detriment

1197
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,479
to the team.
Right.

1198
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,479
So I do enjoy that.
Yeah.

1199
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,680
And yeah, and she was funnier
than I thought.

1200
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,000
I hadn't seen her in anything.
I don't think that was comedic.

1201
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000
I don't.
I remember her acting wise

1202
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,120
mostly from what was it, The
Newsroom?

1203
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,720
And and that's not, that's not a
comedic.

1204
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,480
She doesn't really have a
comedic role in that.

1205
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:15,600
She's like another one who like
I don't really know a ton about

1206
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,600
in that I feel like I've always.
I've heard that name for years,

1207
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,240
and I think we hear that name
because like, she's like a

1208
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,040
stunningly beautiful person.
Like she is absolutely

1209
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,520
beautiful.
So the name comes up a lot.

1210
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,480
But there's like, aside from
this movie, maybe Ocean's 8, and

1211
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,040
I know there's the X-Men movies,
like she appeared, has appeared

1212
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:40,760
in, but she's not someone that
I'm like, Oh yeah, Olivia Muns

1213
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,000
and something.
I'm going to go rush out and see

1214
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,360
it.
Yeah, no, there was a She did a

1215
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,920
whole lot of TV appearances and
then she hosted a show on was

1216
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,400
like E maybe, or maybe it may
have been even like the Games.

1217
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,880
There was a Games network for a
short period of time.

1218
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:03,600
She hosted a show on there.
That was when I remember like

1219
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,840
becoming aware that she was a
person who existed in the world.

1220
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,320
And then, yes, she started
getting put into like all the

1221
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,680
men's magazines and all that,
but she did a lot of television.

1222
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,320
And then The Newsroom was the
first thing I remember her

1223
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,440
seeing.
I remember seeing her have like

1224
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:22,800
a real role on and she was good.
Yeah.

1225
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,360
But yeah, she's just, it doesn't
seem like she has got really

1226
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:32,200
gotten many, many opportunities
to to, you know, to actually

1227
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,000
just get a chance to be an
actress.

1228
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,640
Yeah, yeah.
I'll admit biggest detriment to

1229
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,720
this film like it's the visual
effects.

1230
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,800
They are really poor in this
movie and like right from the

1231
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,920
get go.
Like when you see the CGI

1232
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:53,360
renters shots from space and
then you get this very poor CGI

1233
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,520
space chase.
Like something straight out of

1234
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,840
like an opening of a Star Wars
movie, except done very, very

1235
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,880
poorly.
I let out an audible Oh no for

1236
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,360
my sofa when I fired this up.
I'm like, because this is the

1237
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,480
first time watching me and I'm
like, you got to be kidding me.

1238
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:12,400
Like it has like, sci-fi
channel.

1239
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,080
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.

1240
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:20,360
And not something that you
expect to play on 3000 screens.

1241
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,560
Like, it is really bad.
So.

1242
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,880
And it doesn't get any better.
Like a look at the space dogs in

1243
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,960
this movie.
And I'm like, how do the space

1244
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,920
dogs in this movie look worse
than the ones and Predators,

1245
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:39,280
which do look pretty good, but
you have twice the budget of

1246
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,280
that movie and the eight more
years worth of technology

1247
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,800
developing in order to get it
right.

1248
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,560
And they look so poor the.
Line has Oh my God.

1249
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,000
My question at that point is
like were they even in the

1250
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,720
original script?
Yeah.

1251
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,840
Probably that is that something
that was stuffed in there

1252
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,120
afterwards, You know that.
So the was that part of like the

1253
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:07,440
reshoots and then they have to
rush those effects to screen.

1254
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:08,960
You know what I mean?
Like there's all that.

1255
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,560
So the original script and the
original idea, and maybe some of

1256
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,600
you even made it past that to
the filming stage was you have

1257
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,840
like the evolved predator that's
11 feet tall and that's remain

1258
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,240
antagonist here.
The main idea was they were

1259
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,400
going to have a lot more
variety.

1260
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,880
Like you were going to see a
number of predators that have

1261
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,120
quote, UN quote, evolved from
different Crees that they had

1262
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,040
like taken from other planets.
And you're gonna have like.

1263
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,320
A cool idea.
It does, but not if like this

1264
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,680
effects house is doing the work
like you.

1265
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,080
This is the first one where I
think you don't have like a man

1266
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,960
in a suit playing the predator
for the bulk of it.

1267
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,920
And you really feel that here.
And it's read that is been part

1268
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,720
of the charm of this series is
you have a man in a suit giving

1269
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,080
a real performance and not like
this awful like visual effects

1270
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,640
work that's going on here that
it just it feels paper thin.

1271
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,040
So the idea like having all of
these other predators hunt down

1272
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,640
the 2 standard good guy ones
would have been something that

1273
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,880
was a really appealing.
But God, the effect like the the

1274
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,480
lime green blood is the other
thing that stands out as like

1275
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:21,520
super.
Poorly done.

1276
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,280
Yeah.
I think the effects as a whole

1277
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,800
just just don't stand up.
And you're right, you're right

1278
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,040
about the the predator dogs like
it just.

1279
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,120
It just doesn't hold up.
And I do wonder if that was a

1280
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,000
rush to screen kind of story
because we have.

1281
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,000
We've kind of.
I was just going to say we have

1282
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:44,040
learned that that has been like
a real serious pattern since the

1283
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,760
establishment of CG.
Because, yeah, a lot of times

1284
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,720
you go back and you look at some
of the movies from like the

1285
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,960
early thousands and they look
better than what's out there

1286
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,800
now.
But it's also the artists who

1287
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,600
were working on those given the
time because it was a new

1288
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:01,760
technology.
Yeah.

1289
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,760
Whereas now so many times just
being rushed and.

1290
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,360
Saw that with Marvel, like you
saw that with like the third

1291
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:14,040
Antman movie, how it's like you
have a date in mind before you

1292
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,080
have even a script.
And I think they're going

1293
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,360
through that right now with
Avengers Doomsday.

1294
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,880
Like there's a lot of reports of
like that movie is filming

1295
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,680
without a finished script and no
one really knows what's going

1296
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,880
on.
And to me, that feels like a

1297
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,800
really slapdash, poor way to do
something.

1298
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,200
When you're making a 200
something, 1200 something,

1299
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,640
$1,000,000 movie like that is
dangerous.

1300
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,160
Yeah, it seems irresponsible to
me.

1301
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,400
I know like James Gunn has come
out and said, like what's going

1302
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,360
to differentiate DC Studios from
Marvel is like, we're not going

1303
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,440
to go to, we're not going to go
to production until we have a

1304
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:53,760
script.
Yes.

1305
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,280
And that, that right.
No, that makes perfect sense to

1306
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,400
me.
I mean, if you're going to be

1307
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,720
out there with that kind of
money on the line, you should

1308
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,600
know what story you're trying to
tell.

1309
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,080
Yeah.
Oh, that seems like very basic a

1310
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,240
very basic idea.
Yeah, it's, you know, it's

1311
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,280
different when you're making
something that doesn't cost that

1312
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,840
kind of money and you have the,
you know, the the ability to

1313
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,240
pivot, but not when you're
spending that kind of money.

1314
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,680
You have these huge productions.
That's insane.

1315
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,520
That has always been that has
been like my foremost claim

1316
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,920
about what did happen tomorrow
is like soon as you started

1317
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,480
putting movies into turn around
before your script is finished.

1318
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,160
You're in trouble.
Nope.

1319
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,960
Because you got those dates you
want to hit.

1320
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,800
Like you're locked in, you're
locking down the IMAX screens.

1321
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,800
You're also trying to shut other
movies out.

1322
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,800
Like you're not only trying to
lock something in for yourself,

1323
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,600
but you want like, I don't want
Mission Impossible coming out

1324
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,560
within a couple weeks.
I don't want them taking my IMAX

1325
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,800
screens because there's me more
money.

1326
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,440
So you're trying to play like a
very aggressive offensive game

1327
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,360
to kind of get those things.
And that, you know, I saw, I

1328
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,840
don't know if you saw Superman.
I don't remember if we talked

1329
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,560
about that.
Oh, it's my favorite movie of

1330
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,520
the year.
It was fun, it was super fun,

1331
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:19,640
and even for its faults, you can
tell that when that movie

1332
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,200
started, they knew what story
they were telling.

1333
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,080
And so I hope that that
continues with DC.

1334
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,720
You can tell what they're trying
to set up for the future within

1335
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,320
the film itself.
It doesn't feel tacked on.

1336
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,760
Characters have clear
motivations.

1337
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,480
You can understand them.
You get.

1338
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,600
Yeah, I, I'm very excited for
what looks like Man of Tomorrow

1339
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,240
I think is going to be the
sequel.

1340
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,680
So I'm excited for that and.
I'm even interested in

1341
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,000
Supergirl.
Sure, like that would be.

1342
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,280
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, and yeah,

1343
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,440
Clayface, which sounds like a
horror film that give me that.

1344
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:57,120
Mike Flanagan is writing.
Yeah, I'm excited about.

1345
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,160
That my mileage in Flanagan
varies.

1346
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,920
There might be a lot of hugs.
There might be a lot of hugs.

1347
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,040
Man loves himself a monologue.
Man loves.

1348
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:09,760
That yeah, I'm OK with that.
I do think he gave the world the

1349
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:14,480
best imagining of Salem's Lot
we've ever seen with Midnight

1350
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,680
Mass, because that's clearly I
want to do Salem's Lot and

1351
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,160
wasn't allowed.
So I'll do this like because I

1352
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:25,480
think Midnight Mass is maybe one
of his best, best works, period.

1353
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,280
Oh, absolutely.
And I know that in the Predator

1354
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,880
you do have a script like Black
and Decker do have a script, but

1355
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,600
by the time you get to those
March reshoots, that script has

1356
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,080
now been completely thrown out
the window.

1357
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,400
So instead of getting something
where like, well, we're going to

1358
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,880
redo what our intentions were,
you almost have to come up with

1359
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,840
a completely new story on the
fly.

1360
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,560
And then you have to take all of
those reshoots and new material

1361
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:58,600
and you have to make it fit
within the previous hour that is

1362
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,080
in the can and is ready to go.
And then when you start doing

1363
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,320
that, you're like, well, now
these two things don't line up.

1364
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,640
So you're slicing and dicing the
film a bit more.

1365
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,800
And you end up getting things
like you have a moment in the

1366
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,000
third act when it starts where
Holbrooke and Traeger have a

1367
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,200
moment.
And it's like, hey, when this is

1368
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,720
done, like we're teaming up now.
When this is done, we're going

1369
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,160
to dance and Traeger's like,
I've already got my shoes.

1370
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,480
Not a bad little moment.
Good little character beat gets

1371
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:32,440
me intrigued for like whatever
is going to happen, at the very

1372
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:36,480
end, you feel it's coming and
then Traeger accidentally shoots

1373
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:41,000
himself in the face in a moment.
I had to rewind like 3 times

1374
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,480
because I'm like, when did that
happen?

1375
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,320
Right?
Matter of fact, the first time

1376
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:51,120
it happened, when I watched this
movie for the first time, I

1377
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:56,320
didn't even realize he'd been
killed off in this completely

1378
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,160
boneheaded way.
Like just made this very cool

1379
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,520
character look like one of the
Three Stooges.

1380
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,880
Yep, Yep.
Yeah.

1381
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,240
And I think that's that kind of
like embodies like that.

1382
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,640
That moment embodies what's
essentially wrong with the movie

1383
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,800
as a whole.
Like there's just not, Yeah.

1384
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,040
But that's, you know, what
happens, I guess, when you have

1385
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:22,160
to go through and reshoot, you
know, half your movie and and

1386
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,040
change that much of the script.
It's just, it's unfortunate.

1387
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:29,040
Yeah.
What do you make of all the

1388
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,440
little callback we get to get to
the chopper here?

1389
01:20:32,440 --> 01:20:36,200
Yeah, which I giggled.
Wasn't I giggled, I giggled.

1390
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,680
What do you make of the
callbacks and allusions to the

1391
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,880
previous films here?
I mean, they're fine because

1392
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,920
they aren't terribly egregious,
but they're also, yeah, they're

1393
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,400
fine.
I do.

1394
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:53,360
I think probably my favorite
callback is putting Jake Busey

1395
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:59,160
in the movie in the 1st place,
but also like he's now the

1396
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:03,960
science guy, you know, in the in
the facility and that kind of

1397
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,480
refer like in the continuum of
the movies.

1398
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:13,480
It seems like what Sterling K
Brown is running at this point

1399
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:18,280
is the continuation of what Gary
Busey was doing in prayer to.

1400
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,160
And to have Jake Busey show up
in the middle of all that was

1401
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:26,000
kind of was kind of neat.
A little nepo baby, a little

1402
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,480
like nepo baby science guy.
You know, his dad probably put

1403
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:34,040
him in that role, but and Jake
Busey's never bad.

1404
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,120
Like I don't mind him and
anything I've ever seen him in.

1405
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:43,080
No, I think that why can't I
think of his name right now?

1406
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,360
Who plays Stu Mocker in Scream,
who we all love?

1407
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,600
And now I'm drawing a blank on
his name because this is what I.

1408
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,040
Do you made me draw a blank on
his name now too?

1409
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,720
I know, give me one.
I was actually watching him

1410
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,360
yesterday.
On the big screen.

1411
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:02,440
No, at home I put on one of the
Scooby-doo movies in the

1412
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:04,040
background while I was doing
some work.

1413
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,960
Why, listeners?
I am so sorry, Matt.

1414
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,480
Thank you.
Always fascinating for our

1415
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,960
listeners.
When I do research on the fly, I

1416
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,920
think that Jake Busey and
Matthew Lillard not having,

1417
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,640
like, a buddy comedy together is
a crime.

1418
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,360
Early 2000s is.
Yeah, definitely a crime.

1419
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,800
Starship Troopers.
Jake Busey.

1420
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,600
Who?
Starship Troopers.

1421
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,560
Oh, yeah.
Starship Troopers.

1422
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,440
I feel like I don't know if
we'll ever do that whole series,

1423
01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:35,960
but there's a patron episode
there for sure.

1424
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:38,600
I would love in on that.
If you were going to do a

1425
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,920
Starship Troopers episode,
absolutely, because that.

1426
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,960
Movie is such such a good time I
love.

1427
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,560
That movie.
So such a good time.

1428
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,120
Yes, that's.
A.

1429
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,960
RoboCop, man, that's my stuff.
It's great stuff.

1430
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,960
Yeah, Verhooven.
Maybe we do a patron like

1431
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:59,720
Verhooven respective.
I'm pretty sure I could get

1432
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,840
Ryan, Steven and Devon for sure
to do something like that with

1433
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,720
very little, very little
pushback at some point.

1434
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,520
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
The callbacks here aren't

1435
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,800
egregious.
You have some specific callbacks

1436
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,760
to AVP, which I don't know.
I kind of feel like the less we

1437
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,760
refer to that movie, The better.
I probably didn't even recognize

1438
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,000
those to be honest.
She gets the sphere that they

1439
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,240
use or the sphere that's in,
like the case and the thing.

1440
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,560
OK, the.
Other thing that makes just

1441
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,800
like, you know, the original
script had like the good guy

1442
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,600
predators, this predator is not
a good guy.

1443
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,280
Like this predator crash lands
on earth for a reason to help

1444
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:44,120
save humanity.
But the minute he wakes up, he

1445
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:49,960
like completely decimates a room
full of unarmed scientists,

1446
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:53,360
right?
So I don't know what about him.

1447
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,040
And then he tries to murder Boyd
like at the school like so that

1448
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,520
whole thing has been removed.
And yet we're to believe that

1449
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,280
he's delivered this quote, UN
quote weapon that is going to

1450
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,120
save humanity from predators
like help me make that make

1451
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,000
sense.
Like that doesn't seem to.

1452
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,200
It's muddled.
It's very muddled.

1453
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,760
The only thing that I can even
begin to find a justification,

1454
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,280
therefore, is he came to Earth
believing that he was trying to

1455
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:28,040
help us and woke up in a lab.
Like on that, on that and that.

1456
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,160
Like, yes, you'd be upset.
We would all be upset, but

1457
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,720
they're not.
Doing anything to them.

1458
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,280
They're not poking them with
sticks.

1459
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,200
They're not prodding them.
Right.

1460
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,840
Yeah.
And he immediately just.

1461
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,840
Yeah, just start slaying
everybody he can.

1462
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:43,680
Yeah.
And then he does.

1463
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,360
Yeah.
He's chasing these people

1464
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,600
across.
Yeah.

1465
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:50,560
It's it's it's muddled.
It's very muddled and just very

1466
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,560
muddled.
Speaking of like muddled Rory at

1467
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,120
one point, not on his knot by
choice, but like Rory gets a

1468
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,600
piece of candy thrown at the
back of his head when he's

1469
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,040
wearing the Predator armor,
which is hilarious.

1470
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:09,760
And then he straight up marks a
dude like the thing goes, and

1471
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,240
it's like, I'm being attacked by
Skittles.

1472
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,560
Look, if you're going to attack
me, attack me with Halloween

1473
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,520
candy like I would be please do
all day long.

1474
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,560
Very happy for that.
Right.

1475
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,240
And he straight up mercs a dude
and it's never addressed again.

1476
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:29,160
Like this 8 year old kid is is
now guilty of murder.

1477
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,400
And what does he get is a he
gets rewarded with a government

1478
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,440
job full Betty's.
Yeah, I don't understand that.

1479
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:38,000
Whatsoever.
No.

1480
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,320
That.
Yeah, that that's action movie

1481
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,520
logic.
Yeah, that's that's where that

1482
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,760
goes.
I don't have much else on this

1483
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,440
movie.
There's not a lot made on this

1484
01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:50,320
phone.
No, I mean, yeah, you can tell

1485
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,680
that the whole last third of it
was when you said that, I was

1486
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,520
like, that makes total sense
because you can tell that the

1487
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,280
last third of it was just not,
was not originally there and

1488
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,320
that that must have just been
the majority of the reshoots and

1489
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,360
tacked in there.
And that's unfortunate.

1490
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:12,320
Problematic.
Problematic like depictions

1491
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,240
aside, that first 45 to 50
minutes which you spend with

1492
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,800
those guys is the most enjoyable
part of the movie like because

1493
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,480
the performance makes sense it.
Gives them right, right.

1494
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,320
It sets them up well.
Yeah.

1495
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,440
The rest of the movie doesn't
doesn't deliver on that right

1496
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:32,800
so.
You know, I like little moments

1497
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,280
like the way you are introduced
to Boyd in this movie, the way

1498
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,440
you're introduced to that
character where he's in the

1499
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:42,800
trees, he's a sniper and the
bench.

1500
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,200
Like, are you guys like taking
bets on whether they're going to

1501
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,120
kill the hostages?
Like, that's a very shame black

1502
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,760
thing.
And I like it.

1503
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:54,080
It's just you get to this third
act and it's like CGI spectacle

1504
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,760
and muddy and gross and you're
like, yeah, didn't need this.

1505
01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:00,960
You don't care.
No, you know it doesn't.

1506
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,800
It doesn't have a whole lot of
emotional resonance, so.

1507
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,120
So luckily we'll be back and
you're coming back for this when

1508
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:13,480
we do pray next week, which I
think is a movie a lot of people

1509
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:16,720
enjoy and care about, and you're
going to be back on that with us

1510
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,080
so.
Yes, I enjoy pray a lot.

1511
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,000
That's yeah, probably my
favorite of the fan Try so.

1512
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,800
I think you and a couple others
on this panel would agree.

1513
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,240
So, Alex, in the meantime,
between now and then, where can

1514
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:34,320
our listeners find you?
You can find me on Patreon under

1515
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:40,520
my name Alex Palyuka PAGLIUCA.
The name of the Patreon is also

1516
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,240
to all that we once loved, so
you can find it that way.

1517
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:48,720
You can also find me on Blue Sky
at just my name Nova.

1518
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:53,240
It's just Alex Palyuka at Blue
Sky or dot Blue Sky, whatever it

1519
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,400
is.
And what's on your Patreon?

1520
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,520
If people subscribe to your
picture and page, what will they

1521
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,920
find?
Right now everything on my

1522
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:03,760
Patreon is.
OK.

1523
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:08,240
So when what they're going to
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1524
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,280
bit of a cultural commentary, a
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1525
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,920
commentary, you know, kind of
speaking about culture through

1526
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,400
film and television.
So that that's that's the

1527
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,640
majority of it.
Excellent.

1528
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,000
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1529
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1530
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01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,200
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1539
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1540
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,560
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Just trying to figure out the

1541
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,480
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1542
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1543
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1546
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1547
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Letterbox, you know, that is
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1548
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kind of go poke stuff.
Maybe I'll post more pictures of

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our new dog, whether she's named
Twinkie, Winkie Pippen.

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I wanted to, I want just want a
little Turd Ferguson to call my

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own, but I've been denied that
ability.

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But we have a new doggy who's
adorable.

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So you can go to Instagram and
find at least one picture right

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there for now.
And more to come and also more

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to come.
We will be back next week with

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Predator Prey.
If you want some more of us at

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our Patreon over on Patreon, dot
Pod and Pendulum.

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We have the long walk and we
actually have an episode on

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Superman, which I realize going
through I forgot to post, so

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we'll get another bonus episode
of 2025's Superman on the

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Patrons soon too.
You got some very cool stuff

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coming up in October on the main
feed as well, so stay tuned and

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we will be back in next week.
Listeners, everyone take care

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and have a great one.
Bye bye.