TOP TEN HORROR MOVIES OF 2025

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Hello everyone and happy new
year.

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We are kicking off 2026 with one
look back in the year that was

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with our annual top 10s episode.
None.

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I'm your host Mike Snoonian and
joining me today are a group of

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Co hosts who always look good at
a party.

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Hat up first.
She is the author of Millennial

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Nasties and the managing editor,
I Believe, of Ghouls magazine as

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it hits his relaunch in 2026.
Definitely not the managing

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editor, but thank you for the
promotion.

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OK, I have promoted Ariel.
Hey, we were just talking.

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You can make it happen.
OK, you can absolutely make that

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happen.
But let's just say she's very

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hands on with the relaunching
Ghouls magazine.

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Miss Ariel Powers.
Shab Ari.

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How are?
I'm so good.

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I'm excited to do this top ten
list, mainly because I really

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want to talk about my number
one.

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But we're going to get to it.
Yeah, which you listed 10 times

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originally.
I did, and you made me go back

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and change.
It, I mean, we have to have

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some, some decorum here.
Also joining us from

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bloody-disgusting.com as well as
the forthcoming podcast, Holy

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Terrors, Mr. Brian Kiper.
Brian, how are we today?

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I am caffeinated doing my best
to.

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Excellent.
That's all we can add.

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That's all we can add now.
It is much earlier for you than

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it is for me.
Are you typically up at this

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time?
Like, are you up?

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At Oh yeah, my problem is I wake
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night and then I for no apparent
reason, then I fall asleep

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again.
So it's like I, I, I woke, just

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woke up again.
Yeah.

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So I'm, I'm, I'm, but I'm OK.
I'm.

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Good.
OK, got it.

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All right.
And also joining us from the

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Spectre Cinema Club, Devon
Taylor.

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Devon, how's it going?
Hello hello, coming at y'all

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from the past in the future.
Is 2026 better than 2025?

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I hope so.
How is it going?

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To be, it has to be.
I feel like we were in a

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simulation this year, you know?
Well, can we get a a brief bit

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of housekeeping out of the way
before we get going today?

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I wish we would.
Excellent.

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Ari, do you want to do the
housekeeping like do you want?

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To Oh, sure, you're going to ask
the woman.

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You're going to ask the woman
to.

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Wow.
Starting off the year cancelled.

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All right, who's going to be the
new primary host of Pot in the

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pendulum?
Even think of the optics, Yeah,

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I am going to go ahead and OK,
Ari.

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appearance in Part 2.
Seems appropriate.

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You don't get to really hear
that she and she answered.

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But mom, you're so big in honor
of that in the future too.

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So no, Mom called me to tell me
not to buy the Christmas ham

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that I said I was going to make
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and hilarious semi not argument,
but discussion ensued while

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Brian looked more and more.
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why I am the way I am ours.
Very, very it was, it was

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enlightening to be.
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bucks for, guys, Mamas Noonian.
In Ari, where would folks go if

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they wanted to become a patron?
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Patreon.com/the Pod and the
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Excellent.
Thank you so much.

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All right, well, let's get
moving because this, these,

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these shows typically run super
long.

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And what's going to happen an
hour in is they're going to say,

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man, we're really moving this.
We're going to wrap it up.

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Quick this year.
And then?

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Then then someone's going to say
something really mean about a

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movie someone loves and it's
just going to blow the whole

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thing up.
Is I mean.

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Did that happen?
Yes, it's yeah.

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That was it.
It's happened before, but.

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I feel a little guilty about.
It well, this is very different

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because I mean to tease everyone
on like the overall like there's

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a good amount of variety here,
but I think this is actually

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going to be a more copacetic
list than in some previous years

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past is what I'm seeing so far.
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It especially when we get
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be like a lot of similar pics
and it's just kind of where they

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are slotted.
Although I think each of us have

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a couple like more esoteric pics
that speak to our own kind of

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like our own nature and our own
love of the genre.

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But here's what we're going to
do.

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Like similar prior years, we're
going to run through our list

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one movie at a time each, and
they'll be a brief discussion

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where all of us can chime in.
Like one person will start the

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discussion, but all of us can
chime in.

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So we're going to try to keep it
brief.

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Some of these movies we have
covered during the year as well,

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so you can hear fuller episodes
of them either here or on the

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Patron Patreon series.
What we'll do though, if there

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is a movie that one person say
has it #8 but another person has

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it #3 we'll hold off on
discussing the movie until we

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get to the highest spot on the
list, just so we don't have like

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a lot of overlapping
conversation and we're not kind

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of repeating ourself there as
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So that makes sense for
everybody here.

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Listeners, I think that makes
sense for y'all as well.

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If it doesn't, or if you could
think of better way for us to do

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it, you can always comment or
send us an e-mail start.

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Your own podcast.
Don't worry guys, we're super

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organized.
The the the document, it has

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bolds and italics in it like
we're, we're good to go, yeah.

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You guys don't got to worry
about us.

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Steven put together a lovely
spreadsheet that made it very

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easy as well as Steven does,
which is always fantastic.

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And I guess, you know, I will
avoid, maybe because we have so

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many movies, we'll avoid our
kind of like honorable mentions.

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But the one question I had for
everyone is like, we were

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talking a little bit about this
on the slack as we were doing

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our list.
What is everyone's like brief

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thoughts on this year for the
horror genre overall?

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Like how did it feel for a year,
like an up year?

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Did things feel a little bit
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Like where is everybody on the
genre right now?

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Yeah, I mean, I'm I I'm the one
that dropped it in the Slack

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channel.
You can, you can say it like

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it's OK.
You can put me out there, but I,

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yeah, I, I put it in the slack
town because I, I started making

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my list a little bit earlier
because we recorded our Spectre

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Cinema episode a little bit
sooner.

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So as I was kind of putting it
together, I was just like, I was

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like this year, not very strong,
like because I don't know, I

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feel like it's kind of maybe an
ongoing bit on social media to

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like every year.
But like this is the strongest

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year in horror we've had since
last year.

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And it's like, even because we
have been in a like a really

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great period of horror, like the
past like 10 years, I'd say it

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has really been a very strong in
general.

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So I think we have been maybe
spoiled a little bit and this

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year I don't know, not that we
didn't still have like, you

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know, some stuff, some standouts
and things.

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And and so a lot of like like
really solid movies, but nothing

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that like kind of like set me on
fire compared to like as far as

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like when I was like making my
list, I was like my top 4.

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I feel pretty like I feel pretty
strong about but like the rest

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after that, like filling in like
my like, you know, five through

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10 and trying to weed out like
what goes into that number 10

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and nine spot.
I was kind of like shoulder

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shrugging a lot.
I was like, these are these are

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cool, Like these were solid
movies, but just not nearly as

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as many of them that like, you
know, truly got me revved up

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this year.
Not to say we then still get

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some good.
Stuff when you're doing your

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list, do you tend to like I keep
it throughout the year, like

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when I see a too horror movie, I
drop it in.

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So you kind of have a pretty
good idea and you know, and

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obviously some like we tweak
some things we you know, maybe

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rewatch, but you have a good
idea.

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So as the year's going on,
you're kind of like this isn't

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as strong as like it has been
in.

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Years past, yeah.
And Even so, like a lot of the

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stuff was kind of in the first
half of the year.

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Like I, I feel like a lot of
like the conversation that

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pieces of the year were kind of
in the first six months.

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And then like as I was like
trying to like catch up on stuff

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and cram things in this like
past month or so.

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I was nothing was like breaking
my list.

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I was like a lot of my stuff,
like kind of held strong from

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like early on in the year.
So very fascinating year in

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horror.
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To to to dovetail on to that.
I kind of feel the same way that

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Devon does about the being the
strongest half of the year being

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the first half.
Because if you had asked me, you

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know, in June, I would have
said, yeah, this is really

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shaping up to be a strong year.
And then, but honestly, most my

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#1 rating for horror this year
was 3 1/2 stars, you know, kind

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of pretty good.
You know, I didn't have a lot of

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ones.
I didn't have a lot of.

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I had a few twos, but 3 1/2 was
sort of the majority of what I

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gave everything.
And then I had a few kind of

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float to the top however.
Saying your number one movie was

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ranked 3 1/2 stars, you're
saying?

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My my my number one movie is
five star movie to me.

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OK, that's the only one.
I gave five stars on this list,

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though the others.
But I I do have to say, though,

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I kind of felt this that what
the what what Devon was

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describing.
I kind of felt that way last

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year.
I was sort of so like everyone's

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like people were going nuts
about last year and I was like,

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it's fine.
I did too, yeah.

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Yeah.
So hey, I was happy with, you

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know, my list ultimately last
year, but it was just sort of

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like, it's all right.
Yeah.

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I think 2019 was one of those
years where it was just like the

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doors blew off with different
movies.

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But then since then, it's just
been like, yeah, pretty good.

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You know, some real standouts
always.

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And then, but most years are
just like most movies are

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somewhere in the middle.
They're OK, you know, not

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horrible, not masterpieces,
somewhere in the middle.

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And I feel like that's most
years.

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And when you get multiple
masterpieces in a year, that's

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that's a unusual year.
Yeah, totally.

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Agree.
What were you thinking, Ari?

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That's pretty much exactly
what's been said.

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Like first half of the year
really strong, couple big

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standouts, most stuff pretty
good.

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Most of my list was like pretty
interchangeable.

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So yeah, like I'm happy with it.
I I'm lucky to have a year of

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horror where I have a few things
that I absolutely love And we

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off mic we're talking about how
many movies we've watched this

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year and like logged on
letterbox.

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And it's like when you watch
that many movies, they are not

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all going to be 5 stars.
Of course that matter.

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And we're like, we're not trying
to be like down or anything, but

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I, I, but in my opinion, like,
because obviously we all like

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spend a lot of time online and I
feel like we have a lot of

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phrases that like have kind of
lost meaning.

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You know, like masterpiece is
kind of starting to wear thin

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for me because we throw it
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And then so it's like kind of
the same thing where it's just

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like every year when we're like,
this is one of the best years in

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horror.
It's like, we don't need to do

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that every year, guys, It's OK.
Like we are in like again, a

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very like strong era right now.
But like the more we just like

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keep using those phrases, then
it's like they they start

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looming their meaning.
So I'm like, I just want to

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encourage people.
It's like it's OK to just be

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like, Hey, this year was.
Three stars.

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It wasn't.
A three star movie is still out

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of five.
It's still.

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Still a good movie.
Something I'd probably go back

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and revisit at some point.
I, I think it's been a strong

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year for movies, which is an odd
thing to say is the industry

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continues to consolidate.
And I don't want to go down that

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road because I think honestly,
like we'd be here all day, like

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mourning the death of what could
be the death of cinema in a few

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years.
But like movies themselves, like

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it was a strong year and I
haven't seen the what is like

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the consensus like front runner
for best picture, which is PT as

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one battle after another.
Like I'm think I'm saving that

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for New Year's Eve.
But movies like Sorry, Baby,

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which I just watched the other
night, which I blew me away.

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Efis movies like the new
Superman movie I thought was

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fantastic.
Black bag.

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I thought it was terrific
criminally under scene.

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Like give me more movies with
Fassbender and Cate Blanchett is

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like super sexy spies.
Don't worry, we're going to talk

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more about it on upcoming
Patreon.

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Excellent.
OK, shout out Black.

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Bag.
Excellent.

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I love that movie so much.
And then the Naked Gun, like one

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of the funniest movies I've
seen.

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So like for movies themselves.
Oh, and like documentaries like

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Predator, which looked at back
at like the To catch a Predator

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show from the early thousands.
Like it overall was a very solid

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year for movies.
Horrors become one of those

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things where it always makes
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So you're seeing maybe like I, I
watched a lot more horror from

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this year that I did a year ago.
And I think when you do that,

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not everything's going to be a a
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You're going to get some chafe
with some of that wheat as well,

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unfortunately.
But let's talk about what we did

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love and let us go with our
number 10 picks.

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And Arielle, you are up first.
Yes, so my #10 pick is Horror in

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the High Desert 4.
Either you like this franchise

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or you don't and I get it Either
way.

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I happen to love it.
It's like found footage

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mockumentary about found
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It's slow, it's frame analysis
and it's taking its time

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wrapping things up and getting
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And so if that's not the
franchise for you, I get it.

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But every time one of these
horror in the high deserts come

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out, I get super excited.
I try to watch it as soon as I

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can.
It's a movie where like all the

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lights off alone in the house,
100% focus on the TV for me.

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And this movie, I, I don't think
it stands on its own outside of

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the context of the other movies.
Like I do think it's the fourth

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in the franchise.
And so if you're not caught up,

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then maybe it won't be as good.
But I'm glad we got this one

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this year and I can't wait for
the next one.

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I would.
I'll take as many of these as

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Dutch Mirror wants to make.
What's the general premise of

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this one?
For the where can you see it by?

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Is it screen box?
Is that where it's?

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No, as far as I know it's only
rentable right now.

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I rented it on Amazon and I
think that's a barrier to the

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franchise as well.
Like the first one's easier to

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find, but the two through 4 you
have to rent.

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And so I I get why that's a
barrier.

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So overall, the franchise is
about like disappearances and

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strange happening in this desert
section of Nevada.

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And the fourth one is about a
place called Majesty Ranch and

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some things happening on that
ranch and how they connect back

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to strange happenings in the
other films.

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So it's a commitment.
But if you are a found footage

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fan and you like like, I would
compare it sort of tonally to

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Lake Mungo, if you're a fan of
that kind of thing, I highly

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recommend this franchise.
OK.

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Excellent.
I think the folks from Horror

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Queers really love that.
At the very least I think that

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oh God, I think Trace really
loves those movies, if I

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remember correctly.
Like he's extolled their virtues

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a lot.
So the.

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Second one is on found TV the
The Mound footage streaming

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service.
They have one and two at least.

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But yeah, at one point they had
all four, but now they only have

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the 1st.
It's a $5 rental on Amazon or

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Apple right now, which is, you
know, that's not, that shouldn't

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be a barrier to entry.
I mean when you think about like

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the old it's that shouldn't be a
barrier to entry for 5 bucks but

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OK.
If you if you have an Amazon

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gift card and you put the gift
card on your account and you

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delete all your other forms of
payment, you can rent movies on

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your gift card, you have to
delete all your other forms of

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payment.
That's the key.

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Love that.
All right.

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Excellent.
That's a solid.

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You know, I think it's a very
ory pick.

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Did you see man?
Did you say man finds tape?

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No, I haven't seen that yet.
I think you would like that one.

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I think you would like that one.
Brian, what is your number 10?

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My number, I played a lot with
this particular slot.

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There were a lot of movies that
I like we were talking about.

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There are a lot of movies that
sort of fell into that could

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have been interchangeable, but I
ultimately went with one that,

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you know, some people may not
even define this as horror, but

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I went with the rule of Jenny
Penn, which is about a judge who

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at the beginning of the play by
Geoffrey Rush at the beginning

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of the movie, has a stroke and
he is put into an unassisted

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living facility for the elderly.
And he soon discovers that the

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it's not, it's not like one
floor of the Cuckoo's Nest where

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you've got the doctors versus
the patients sort of thing.

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It's there's actually a patient
or a another person in this

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facility who uses a baby doll
puppet called Jenny Penn to sort

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of bully and run roughshod over
all the other patients in the in

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the facility.
And it's got some really creepy

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imagery.
I think I should say.

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It's played by John Lithgow,
plays that, plays that.

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Brilliantly, by the way.
Yeah, yeah.

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He, his character's name is Dave
Creeley, but he he sort of

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manipulates this puppet in these
crazy ways.

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I think the imagery of the
puppet with no eyes and they

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sort of light it so it like they
glow red and is, is pretty

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intense.
But I think one of the things I

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really like about it is it felt
like a movie for this year where

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you have sort of this schoolyard
bully that grows up to to be be

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a bully as an adult, as an old
man.

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And it's really about not to get
too over over analytical, but

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it's really about
totalitarianism.

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And it's about just these.
And I don't know, it felt very

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appropriate for this year.
And it's one that's stuck with

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me quite a bit.
And but above that, above all,

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it's just a delight to see
Jeffrey Rush and John Lithgow

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sparring going at it just in a
very low budget film.

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I mean, just able to kind of let
loose.

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I feel like the director just
kind of let them go for it and

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trusted them a great deal.
And they really, really make it

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make it work.
So I really had a had a positive

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reaction to this.
I was lucky enough to be able to

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see it during it's a very short
theatrical run and I'm glad I

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did.
So the rule of Jenny Penn.

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Yeah, this is just outside my
top ten.

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I caught this opening night at
Fantastic Fest 2 years ago.

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And I remember walking out and
texting Nicole, like, you got to

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see this movie when it comes out
to the way it portrays like some

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of the pitfalls of like
caretaking, or I should say,

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like some of the ways that
neglect takes place in in areas

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like this.
And Brian, like I hear what

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you're saying about being about
fascism and totalitarianism, how

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that just is allowed to happen
by turning a blind eye.

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But it's also like Rush and
Lithgow are wickedly funny in

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this.
They really are, yeah.

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It's like darkly comic in the
saddest way possible and it's

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kind of like a Grumpy Old Men
where the stakes are much more

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dangerous.
In a lot of ways I enjoy and

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it's just weird and you never
really get a good explanation

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for why Lithgow's character is
the way that he is.

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It is one of two movies this
year where being an asthmatic,

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it's a plot point, even if it's
a minor one.

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The Naked Gun being the other
one.

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I really enjoyed this one a lot.
I was just outside of my top 10.

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This is also one of two horror
movies this year that took place

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in a like a retirement home and
the other one I absolutely hated

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and ranked as the worst movie of
the year anyway, but I love this

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one.
That title.

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That was called the home with
Pete Davidson I've.

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Heard bad things?
Yeah.

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OK, just hated it.
So and I I'm not a worst of the

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year list kind of guy.
So a couple of in fact will come

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to something on my list soon
that made one of those and

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looking forward to talking about
that.

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Excellent.
Anyone else on rule of Jenny

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Penn?
Nope, didn't see it and it's on

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my list.
I think it's on shutter.

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Yeah, it's on shutter.
All right, Devon, how about

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yourself?
What's your #10?

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Oh well, Speaking of shutter, I
also have a shutter pick here at

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#10 and this is Reflection in a
Dead Diamond, directed by Helene

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Cottet and Bruno Frazzani.
This duo has done a few films

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together and though this film is
definitely not perfect, it is

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very ambitious.
It has a lot of style to it.

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This is like kind of like a
modern take on a Euro spy

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thriller, shallow film.
And it has like these like kind

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of two timelines as a as a spy
assassin recalls previous

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missions that he used to do and
the the people, the enemies they

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makes, but then also his lovers
as well.

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And it's like kind of hops back
and forth.

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But this has such dynamic
editing.

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The colors and the aesthetic are
just a very gorgeous to look at,

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very vibrant and definitely
captures like that 70s shallow

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in a very cool way where it's
like definitely paying homage to

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that era.
But again, it feels very modern

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part of the story takes place
like during present day and it's

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yeah, it's just super fun.
It features some of the best

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costuming of the year and like
props and stuff with all these

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different spy gadgets as this
guy, he's basically, he's just

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paranoid about all of these like
enemies that he made, like

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coming back for him essentially.
And when they come for people he

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cares about and things like
that.

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So it's like, I got this
paranoia type deal.

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So yeah, it's a, it's super fun.
It there's a, there's a femme

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fatale who wears a dress and
it's like a sequins dress, but

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each like piece of giant sequins
is a camera for, you know, spy

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purposes.
But then also when she spins,

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she can release them like razor
discs to kill people.

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That's amazing.
So that's just like some of the

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things like, just like some of
like the real like fresh

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originality, like it's, it's
really fun.

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Is it?
Would you call it horror or war?

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Horror adjacent.
I mean, it's on shutter, so I

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count it for the list is.
I mean, it's definitely like it

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has a lot of blood and killing
and violence for sure, but it's

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also very sexy and fun.
And so I mean, it's horror

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adjacent, I suppose.
But again, it's a if.

446
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,680
If you like shallow films then I
think this is definitely worth

447
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,920
checking out if you're wanting
something a little bit more

448
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,400
contemporary.
And and that's not a criticism,

449
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,040
I would say that almost all of
us have like a more horror

450
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,400
adjacent film.
Like, you know, we're like

451
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,320
playing a little fast and loose.
Like I know one of my upcoming

452
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,400
picks is definitely horror.
I mean, and #10 like, it was

453
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,680
like, it was either this or
Mickey 17 and I was like, well,

454
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,520
that's more sci-fi.
I was like, if I'm, you know,

455
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,440
thinking genre stuff.
So I ultimately went with this

456
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,080
one, which I would say is a
little bit more horror leaning.

457
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,880
This would appeal more to horror
fans, I'd say than Mickey 17

458
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,960
would.
So like that's kind of how I

459
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,360
felt that at this number 10
slot.

460
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,880
Anyone else want to weigh in on
this one?

461
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Haven't seen it, I'll have to
watch it.

462
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Yeah, I haven't seen it either.
In the 1st 10 seconds of the

463
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,280
film there's a close up of a
diamond upon a bare nipple and

464
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,000
then it does it again like 5
minutes later.

465
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,040
That's the peak kind of style
you're getting here.

466
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,760
I think this is a very me pick
here.

467
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,680
The.
Most me pick here at #10.

468
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,640
These are the same directing
team that brought us like Let

469
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,280
the corpses tan.
I haven't seen any of their

470
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520
other stuff but I'm intrigued.
You are very stylish film

471
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,640
makers.
This is playing nearest to me, I

472
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,800
think maybe next week or the
week after.

473
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,800
I think first week of January.
It's a double feature with It

474
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,960
Was Just An Accident, which is
an Iranian film that I know I

475
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,360
want to check out.
So your review of this Devon has

476
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,480
made this OK.
I'd recommend seeing it on the

477
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,040
big screen because I watched it
at home and it looked and

478
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,360
sounded great so I can only like
it.

479
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,680
Would be a super fun one to see
on the big screen.

480
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,840
Excellent.
Well, my number 10 is Oz Perkins

481
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,840
the Monkey, which I got to catch
a couple times this year.

482
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,120
Like looking back at what I
wrote on it, to me, it's like a

483
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:38,120
really fun, smart, bloody send
up of trauma porn like which has

484
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,600
been the trend in horror for the
past few years.

485
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,640
It's like the real monster is
everybody's trauma.

486
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240
And it's like, oh boy, we're
doing that again, huh?

487
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,520
Like at a certain point it's
like, let's pick something else.

488
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,400
And it it, it's interesting
coming from Perkins because, you

489
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720
know, this is someone who all of
his movies seem to be in some

490
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,400
way, shape or form about his
parents, For those who don't

491
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,200
know, like, he lost his mother
on 9/11, like, she was in one of

492
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,080
the planes that hit the World
Trade Center.

493
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,480
And he's kind of wrestled with
his grief over that.

494
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,200
It's at its best when it's a
deadpan.

495
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,880
Like to me, this is the second
best of the kind of Rube

496
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,840
Goldberg multi death sequence
set pieces this year.

497
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,600
You get the when the monkey
bangs drum like the way it

498
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,520
starts with Adam Scott holding
like a flamethrower and like

499
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,400
torching a store.
To me it's like, OK, you know

500
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400
what you're in for.
It's much less serious than long

501
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,600
Legs was or the black coat's
daughter.

502
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,680
It's really funny.
I don't know if I don't think

503
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,880
this obviously didn't make
everyone else's list.

504
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,920
And there was one point where my
daughter leaned over to me at

505
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,120
the theater because I was just
goffing.

506
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,240
And she's like, you laugh like a
rich old man.

507
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,760
And that is the kind of laughter
that this movie elicited from

508
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,000
me.
And it had some fantastic like

509
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,680
death set pieces, like the woman
jumping into the swimming pool

510
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:08,680
for sure is one of them.
The one set at the house, I I

511
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,520
really dug it.
This is something that I, I

512
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,080
think I ended up purchasing it
for a few bucks and I'll watch

513
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,640
this a few more times in the
next couple years.

514
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,720
So it was one of like 2 films
Perkins released this year.

515
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,480
And I think the second they kind
of like kept the promoting of

516
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,840
it.
Like I didn't even realize it

517
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,440
was coming out when it did.
So I think that's the keeper and

518
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,520
I have not seen that one, but
all right, we are down one end.

519
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,200
Oh, anyone else want to weigh in
on the monkey?

520
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,320
I had fun with this one.
I I think I had more fun with

521
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440
the first half.
I love the stuff where they're

522
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040
kids.
I think that's really good.

523
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,080
And then the tone didn't quite
sustain for me into the

524
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,800
second-half as much, but I still
really had a good time with with

525
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,400
the monkey overall.
I did not like this movie.

526
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,400
It annoyed me.
And then.

527
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,720
But then we got a Final
Destination movie and then I was

528
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,840
like, see, that's how it's done.
Yeah, was not a fan, but keep

529
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
doing your thing, Perkins.
And that's so I don't think he's

530
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,280
for everybody, do I can
understand why people would find

531
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,520
him.
It's not even him.

532
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840
I loved Long Legs.
I just, I thought it was a bad

533
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,160
movie.
I did not like it.

534
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,480
I agree with Brian though.
I wished that was my thing.

535
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,960
I wish the whole movie was them
as kids and with their mom

536
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,960
dealing with the thing.
I thought that would have been a

537
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,160
much more interesting movie.
What about you, Arielle?

538
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Well, that's him for me.
I prefer long legs and black

539
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,600
coats.
Daughter so.

540
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Yeah, fair enough.
Well I think I know I had long

541
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,400
legs way higher in my year end a
year ago, so I kept no argument

542
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,760
for me there, but I dug this.
So the monkey my #10 shall we

543
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,800
move on to #9?
Yes, Brian, you are up with your

544
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,120
#9 pick.
OK my #9 is Frey Waka by Ashlyn

545
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Clark.
I don't know if that's how you

546
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,320
pronounce the title, but I.
Think it's Frey waka waka.

547
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,920
If you if you, if you go and
listen to our Spectre cinema

548
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,480
best of episode Ukraine.
Ukraine pronounces it correctly

549
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360
because she comes from the the
Irish land.

550
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,400
And that's like kind of a more
rally, but it's like it has like

551
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,320
a like a kind of on it.
OK, fair enough, Fair enough.

552
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,080
So this is this is a frankly,
it's another movie about a

553
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:31,520
caregiver and the elderly, but
this woman who goes by shoe, who

554
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,920
her mother has just committed
suicide.

555
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,960
She isn't like an in house
caregiver.

556
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,400
She goes and she encounters
this, this older woman and you

557
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:50,600
know, sort of discovers there
are spirits and there's it's,

558
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,120
there are a few movies that came
out this year that are about how

559
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Catholicism sort of came in over
the Pagan religion and in some

560
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,960
ways combined with it and in
other ways sort of tried to

561
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,640
overcome it.
And there were like 3 or 4

562
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,320
movies like that.
Rosario was another one from

563
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,480
another cultural perspective and
things like that.

564
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,480
And so this is, this is the
Wicker Man version of that idea.

565
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:32,200
And so it's the sort of
intricacies of the plot have

566
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,520
sort of left me, frankly, but
the vibe and the feeling of this

567
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,560
movie have stuck with me.
So that's why it's on my list.

568
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,080
If you like The Wicker Man, I
can't imagine not liking this

569
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800
movie.
It's it's very much, you know,

570
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,160
that sort of Celtic folk horror
kind of thing.

571
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,920
The vibe is darker.
I think, you know, the Wicker

572
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Man has does it doesn't have,
it's not a musical like the

573
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,000
Wicker Man or anything like
that, But it, it, it does have

574
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,440
just sort of these these
interesting images and just a

575
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,760
number of things along those
lines that have really struck

576
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,560
me.
And goats are creepy.

577
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,280
They're just creepy.
So I mean, I, I don't know what

578
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,360
all to say about this movie, to
be honest, but it's more of a of

579
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:34,120
a vibe thing.
This one, as far as the like I

580
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,400
said, sort of the the ancient
religion sort of bubbling up

581
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,440
beneath the surface of what
exists now.

582
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
This was the one that struck me
the most of those kinds of

583
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,160
movies.
And I saw and like I said, I saw

584
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,520
like two or three of them.
And so but this.

585
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,200
I'm surprised this is her first
movie since The Devil's Doorway,

586
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,240
which was like a pretty well
acclaimed film.

587
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Like it's been six years in
between and I'm hoping we see

588
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,760
more from her.
I have not watched this yet, but

589
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,800
anyone else have thoughts on
this one?

590
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,400
I caught this at Telluride and I
don't really remember my

591
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,400
letterbox review was good movie
not for me but I do like Wicker

592
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Man.
So now I'm like maybe I should

593
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,200
rewatch Frewika and see if I
just had FESP brain at the time.

594
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,400
Yeah, Devon, how about yourself?
Oh, I haven't seen it.

595
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,960
OK, I'll get to it though.
All right, that's cool.

596
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520
So, Devon, I'll have you name
your next movie but not discuss

597
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,360
it.
Yes, my #9 is weapons, but we'll

598
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680
talk about it later.
Talk about that later.

599
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:46,320
My #9 is friendship, and this is
what I mean by movies that are

600
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,280
kind of borderline horror horror
adjacent rather than

601
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,960
straightforward horror.
This is.

602
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,560
Honestly if this had more
straight horror in it, it would

603
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,320
have been higher up like my
list.

604
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,480
I fucking love this movie.
It's the kind of comedy that is

605
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,880
like really up my alley.
It's incredible cringe comedy.

606
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,880
I remember like taking the
family to see this one and when

607
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,840
the lights went up at the end my
daughter just screaming what was

608
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,520
that over and over again.
Like I could not get over what

609
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,639
she had just.
Watched.

610
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,719
If you're a fan of Tim Robinson,
it does play like a full length.

611
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,719
I think you should leave sketch
that kind of comedy where you

612
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
take like a pretty banal
situation.

613
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,440
You inject some high jinks into
it, but rather than just let it

614
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,760
play out to its natural end, you
just extend how uncomfortable.

615
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,600
Like it goes past the point of
being funny and then it just

616
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,760
goes to the point where you're
extremely uncomfortable and even

617
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,199
irritated and you're feel like
you're bearing witness to

618
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,560
something that you should not
bear witness to.

619
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,000
Paul Rudd is great.
Is the straight man foil in this

620
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,680
as well.
I mean, like we hear this was

621
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,320
the year the phrase like the
male loneliness epidemic was

622
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,200
introduced, I think into the
lexicon in a big way.

623
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
And I go back and forth in that
because I do think there is some

624
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,440
truth to it.
Like men and women are a lot

625
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,840
lonelier than they used to be.
I think unfortunately, that too

626
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,440
often is used in this as an
excuse for men to say, well,

627
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,240
women should just cater to my
needs.

628
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,560
And that's not what it should
be.

629
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,440
It's more about how do we
rebuild community?

630
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,360
And what I have found, like as
I've gotten older, a lot of my

631
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,400
real life friends are more
scattered around and I don't get

632
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,040
to see them as much as I'd like.
So this movie hit home in that

633
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:42,120
way, but it's also about a very
toxic narcissist that basically

634
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,760
runs roughshod over everyone
around him without even

635
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,040
realizing he's doing it.
Robinson is just like a

636
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,440
borderline psychotic manchild.
And this, and I'm trying to give

637
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,320
me one moment here, I'm trying
to remember it's Kate Mara, who

638
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,840
is so fantastic his wife because
like the first second she's on

639
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,240
screen, you can tell how much
she like disdains him and it

640
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,720
just wants out.
And she's brilliant in the

641
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,520
opening scene at like the group
therapy session is so for cancer

642
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,640
survivors.
And how clueless he is is so

643
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,280
great.
I fucking loved it.

644
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,400
So I don't know if anyone else
caught this this year and what

645
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,280
their thoughts were on it.
Yeah, I saw it.

646
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,480
I had a good time with it.
I wasn't familiar with Tim

647
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,880
Robinson at all, but I I watched
this and went, OK, if this is

648
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,120
the kind of thing he does, I
would probably be into what he

649
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,880
does.
So I I enjoyed this a lot.

650
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,880
I liked the tagline or one of
the reviews was I love you man

651
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,080
for sickos and that's Yep,
thumbs up.

652
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,040
I.
Think that's what I said?

653
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,640
Yeah, Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

654
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,200
I haven't seen it.
I want to.

655
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,160
I think you would love The Chair
Company Brian, which is his HBO

656
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,240
show, which is basically a 70s
conspiracy film or show through

657
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,000
the way lens of his weird
comedy, so.

658
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,720
Sounds good, sounds good.
Ari, how about yourself if you

659
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,480
want to name your number 9 but
don't discuss it yet?

660
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,920
My number 9 was weapons.
Excellent.

661
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,720
Actually, we'll come back to
that one later.

662
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,840
All right.
Shall we move on?

663
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Yes #8 we are at #8 divine.
We're making good time here.

664
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Famous last words you.
Cursed us.

665
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Don't say that.
Don't say.

666
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,560
That you even said that way too
early.

667
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,760
We're on it all that number 8.
All right, everyone needs to

668
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,600
stop being mean you're.
Cursing.

669
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,600
All right.
Told I'm cursing us, I've been

670
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,320
told to shut up.
It's like, my goodness, All

671
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:53,000
right, Devon, you're #8. #8 is
Predator Badlands.

672
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,840
I was not on the episode that we
just did recently, but I don't

673
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,040
know if it was because I saw
this in November and like 'cause

674
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,280
again, I really like this movie,
but I think maybe just by this

675
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,560
point, like I was like kind of
just over getting hype for

676
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,520
movies and things.
I'm just like and and maybe I'm

677
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,520
looking too hard, you know, and
like, you know, wanting certain

678
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,400
things and this movie is a total
crowd pleaser and it won me

679
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,600
over.
I had just had a like super fun

680
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,760
time watching this movie on top
of it being a very solid

681
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,840
predator movie going into the
franchise.

682
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,800
The first film where we like
actually follow the Oucha as a

683
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560
protagonist, which is kind of
debatable.

684
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Like I mean AVP him and star and
Sanal 8th and they kind of share

685
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
that movie.
But but but I know what they

686
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,360
mean.
You know, like, as far as

687
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,800
getting more lore into the Oucha
culture and their mindset and

688
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
the way they communicate their
language, the way their language

689
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,120
was integrated into the score,
one of my favorite scores of the

690
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,080
year.
I thought that was really fun.

691
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,760
But yeah, I just thought I
thought that, you know, the way

692
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,600
that they intertwined and how
this is firmly intermingling the

693
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Predator and Alien franchises
even more as we go forward.

694
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,000
I think we're just like at a
very fun time spot for the

695
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,440
franchise, as we kind of
mentioned in our ranking

696
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,720
episode.
But yeah, I I really enjoyed

697
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,560
this movie.
I just had a very fun time.

698
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,760
I need a plushie of of Bud.
I need I need one.

699
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,200
He's very Frenchy coated.
I I need I need 1.

700
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,600
So if somebody out there like
crochets them, maybe I'll hit up

701
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,920
tales from the stitch.
Maybe she can make me one.

702
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,960
But yeah, Predator Badlands.
Fun time, good movie.

703
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Excellent.
Solid.

704
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Well, I already talked about
this movie.

705
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,720
We did.
You can throw your two cents in.

706
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,880
I this was a blast.
The only reason it's not on my

707
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,920
list is just, you know, how do
you define horror, I guess.

708
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,760
And that's we talked about that
a little bit on the episode.

709
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,000
And so I yeah, I had a great
time with this, really just

710
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,360
massively enjoyed this movie.
Second.

711
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,760
Her third favorite Predator
movie for me.

712
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Dug it.
Come.

713
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,440
On good one and an evil one,
that's just fantastic, yes.

714
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,880
What a year for dual
performances, Yeah.

715
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,920
Tease.
Tease, Yeah.

716
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,760
This is the best Star Wars movie
of the past 10 years.

717
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,800
It really is like I had
everything I wanted in like a

718
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,680
sci-fi fantasy.
They get so much right that

719
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,760
Disney Star Wars gets wrong.
Deck was a phenomenal addition

720
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,920
to the Predator lore.
You just with with Tract and

721
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,400
with Trachtenberg, you know, the
franchise is in great hands.

722
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,520
This one is an absolute blast.
We had a lot of fun with it.

723
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,240
To me, it's a bit like it hits
that sci-fi itch, that sci-fi

724
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,760
fantasy itch for me.
It's definitely one I'll

725
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,720
revisit.
It's a it's a great flick.

726
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,160
I can I can see why it's here
for the top ten of the year.

727
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,600
And you know, I'm kind of
excited to see what they do

728
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,640
next.
And Ari, like, did you catch

729
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,240
this one?
I know you've only caught a few

730
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,120
of the Predator films.
Nope, I haven't seen it yet but

731
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,440
I definitely want to based on
their stats.

732
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,560
I think you'll really dig it.
So all right, who is up next?

733
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,640
That's me, my number 8 pick.
I'll just name it.

734
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,120
It is the new Silent Night,
deadly night, but I'm going to

735
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,400
keep my mouth shut right now,
all.

736
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,240
Right.
Well, my number 8 is Black Phone

737
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,480
2, so I was lucky to catch this
at Fantastic Fest.

738
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,880
And I didn't love the original
Black Phone.

739
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,560
I appreciated it.
I understood why other people

740
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,280
loved it.
I did love the short story.

741
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,800
I thought the short story was
really scary, but I just didn't

742
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,160
really connect with the first
film.

743
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,680
The second one I absolutely
loved.

744
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,240
I thought the grabber was really
scary, and the second one, I

745
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,560
thought he was scarier.
I liked some of the choices it

746
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,640
made about how to use the
grabber and like other movies

747
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,760
that it referenced.
And I really liked the setting.

748
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,880
I I love a a snowy remote
setting.

749
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,080
So yeah, I just thought this one
was like a good solid horror

750
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:04,600
movie.
I'll.

751
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,640
Go ahead, Mike.
First of all, you first of all.

752
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:15,320
So Black Phone 22 Phone 2
Phineas is kind of one of those

753
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,720
films that's interesting 'cause
it's like it's a sequel to a

754
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,160
movie.
I don't think really needed a

755
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120
sequel.
Like I thought Black Phone, I

756
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,120
like the Black phone solid.
I thought it was like a simple

757
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,200
one off kind of, you know, tie
off.

758
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,520
I mean, it did connect then to
their VHS sub.

759
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,600
Man, I was like, all right,
cool.

760
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Yeah, but like, I didn't really
think it needed a sequel, but

761
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,120
fun stuff.
So Maggie Levin is a friend of

762
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,320
mine, Scott Derrickson, his
wife, and she did a lot of the

763
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,720
second unit for Black Phone 2.
And I got to see a a private

764
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,120
test screening in the Blum house
in the House of Blum itself

765
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,840
early on.
And we, you know, didn't did our

766
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,440
like little test screening stuff
and filled things out and and,

767
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,320
you know, I appreciate the
approach like, you know, switch

768
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,440
up the location.
We are, you know, you you don't

769
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,920
even though like when you see
like a a recurring like final

770
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,240
girl or final person in a
franchise, usually it's like the

771
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,960
last movie it happened, but it
kind of didn't happen.

772
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,920
So I appreciate that they are
like, you know, still sticking

773
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,240
with the coming of age story
with these two siblings and them

774
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,600
dealing with, you know, what
happened to them in the previous

775
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,840
film.
I enjoyed that.

776
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,960
I, I enjoyed some of the more
horror leanings to it a little

777
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,440
bit.
I mean a lot more Nightmare on

778
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,840
Elm Street, let's be real, but
it just didn't really have

779
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,800
didn't have the juice.
It didn't have the juice to it.

780
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,000
I, I feel like the black phone,
not only, you know, with great

781
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,120
performances, I think capturing
that era was really nice and

782
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,640
kind of just gave it a nice like
it's, it's a solid Stephen King

783
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,320
adaptation.
Like it fits very like how snug

784
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,920
in that like cozy horror that's
like just dark enough to like

785
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,080
scare you, but not quite.
I don't know.

786
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,440
There's just something wasn't as
quite calibrated for black phone

787
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,840
2.
It's solid.

788
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,240
I like I don't think it's bad
per SE.

789
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,920
The grabber ice skating crazy.
The the fact that nobody's

790
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,880
really talked about that more
this year.

791
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,560
I don't know, maybe because you
know, to Queen.

792
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,160
This Bill Sparsard and as
Pennywise and welcome to dairy

793
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,560
like sliding on the ice like
they could have like a little

794
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,600
speed skating little competition
between the two of them.

795
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,000
I wish this did it for me.
Like it's a 2 1/2 three for me.

796
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,920
Like the setting is great.
Ethan Hawke is obviously

797
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,360
fantastic.
I thought that like Madeline

798
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,720
McGraw as the sister Gwen was
great.

799
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
It's just like the some of it.
I think the some of it was

800
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,240
great.
Like the parts are greater than

801
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,160
the whole thing together.
I think Derrickson and Cargill

802
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,160
are a great team and they've put
together like some of the better

803
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,520
horror movies of the past, like
10 years.

804
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,520
And I want them to continue
making films together.

805
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,840
And maybe it's just like Mason
Thames is Finn.

806
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,080
I just find like, about as as
good as tapioca pudding.

807
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Just really bland in his role
here.

808
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,120
Madeline McGraw definitely acts
circles around him, and she does

809
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,440
get a little bit more shine in
this one for sure.

810
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,200
But yeah, just it just wasn't.
I don't know.

811
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Does the thing where it adds
like too much lore and too much

812
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,920
back story when it's not needed.
Like, I'm not interested in it.

813
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:34,240
The very end of the movie made
me laugh really hard.

814
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,520
And maybe we'll talk about it
off air so we don't spoil it,

815
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,400
but like, there was a parenting
moment there from beyond the

816
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,120
grave that made me laugh so
freaking hard on my way out the

817
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,680
theater.
And I don't think it was

818
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,120
supposed.
I think it's supposed to be

819
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,720
touching.
But Ethan Hawke's pretty awesome

820
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,560
is the Grabber.
Yes, I, I.

821
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Do you know what I'm referring
to, Brian?

822
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
I I anyway.
OK, so.

823
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,160
I'm from beyond the grave, talks
to the daughter.

824
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Yeah.
And then, like, you want to talk

825
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,320
to your son?
Yeah, I'm good.

826
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,000
And then, like, hang out, like,
like what?

827
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,120
A That's OK.
That's cold.

828
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,840
I'm not going to say much about
Black Phone 2.

829
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,240
Black Phone 1 ended up on my 10
best list that year it came out.

830
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,880
I was very fond of that movie,
Saw it twice with my son both

831
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,600
times, in fact.
This movie, I'm afraid, wins my

832
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,760
2025 Nosferatu Award for biggest
disappointment.

833
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,720
Of the.
Year For me it's a.

834
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,080
Movie that Ari loved again.
Exactly.

835
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,680
And so I, I don't want to go
deeper than that just to say it

836
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,720
wasn't, I found it, it was very
disappointing for me.

837
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,640
So I I it made me sad.
I'm sorry to hear that.

838
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,160
That's well, you know, it's OK.
Well, Brian, let's talk about a

839
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:07,120
movie that didn't make you sad.
No, this movie you're #8 my #8

840
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,560
however did make the critics for
Variety sad as they put it on

841
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,000
one of their worst of the year
list along with another movie

842
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,800
that I loved that I will
probably bring up in our non

843
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,960
horror one.
So Steven Soderbergh made two

844
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,480
movies this year, the
aforementioned Black Bag and the

845
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,120
other was a small ghost story
called Presence which I saw

846
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,880
pretty early on and this is one
that is stuck around for the

847
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,440
year for me.
This is a ghost story haunted

848
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,600
house story told from the ghosts
point of view.

849
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,200
So the camera is the ghost and
I, I was just enthralled by it.

850
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,640
I was really pulled in.
And you know, a lot of people,

851
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,360
the big criticism of this movie,
it's, it's just a formal

852
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,200
exercise.
But I disagree.

853
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,480
I think it is more than that.
I think there is more going on

854
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,160
in just the structure of how the
family interacts with thing, the

855
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,120
way it deals with time, the way
it deals with just the

856
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,640
interrelationships that are
going on within this house and

857
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,920
within this family unit I think
are really fascinating and it it

858
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,360
just pulled me in and I really
enjoyed it.

859
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,640
Really glad I saw this
theatrically.

860
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,600
I don't think it would have
worked for me at home because I

861
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,440
mean, part of me, what part of
the reason I love the theatrical

862
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,960
experience is it's dark in
there.

863
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,760
The screen is large.
I'm the surround sound is all

864
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,880
around me.
There is no escaping the movie.

865
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,480
I cannot be distracted and I'm
very distractible person.

866
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,440
So it was just, it's one of
those things where that's why I

867
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,480
love the theatrical experience
in this movie was perfect for

868
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,080
that for me.
And yeah, and it just, it just

869
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,560
worked for me.
And I'm happy to see Steven

870
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Soderbergh still making
interesting movies that take

871
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,320
risks and take big swings and do
things that are different.

872
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,960
And yeah, he did it very well
twice this year, in my opinion.

873
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,800
Ari, this is your chance to crap
on a movie Brian loves.

874
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,560
If you'd like I.
Haven't seen it.

875
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,200
We can make shit up, it's all
right.

876
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,880
And we have to protect the
integrity of the list.

877
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,880
OK, the the list is very this
was solid.

878
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,720
Like I I enjoyed this and you're
right.

879
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,920
This is the I think the lesser
of the two Soderbergh movies.

880
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Oh yeah.
But I think.

881
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,320
Blackbag, there's no doubt about
being.

882
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,920
Awesome.
I love blackbag.

883
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,280
It's a big year for like haunted
house movies from the point of

884
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,680
view of a non human.
Between this and The Good Boy,

885
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,520
this is definitely the better of
the two movies.

886
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,240
Yeah, I liked Good Boy a lot
too.

887
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:34,840
That's just fall fell right
outside.

888
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,720
I toyed with putting that one in
#10.

889
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,160
I'm not giving a movie with a
very good dog a bad review, but

890
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,240
you know, this isn't better
film.

891
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,240
And the way it toys with time
and space, the way it toys with

892
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,560
perspective, I think was really
solid.

893
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,040
It's kind of like a mystery film
too, like you're watching it

894
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,160
unfold and trying to put all of
the clues together in a way.

895
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,800
Their performances are fantastic
all around.

896
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,920
So like this is I think one that
I would like to revisit because

897
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,320
the ending didn't quite land for
me.

898
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:09,000
Like once you once you get the
like, this is what it all means

899
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,920
or this is how it all comes
together.

900
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,040
But I think on 2nd watch I think
I might enjoy it even a little

901
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,720
bit more.
But this is solid pick all.

902
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Right.
All right, let's move on then.

903
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Hold on.
Well, that brings us through our

904
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,240
first three around.
So I'm up first for number 7 and

905
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:33,720
I'm kind of surprised that I'm
the only one that has this on

906
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,920
their top ten because we all
really liked this one.

907
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,320
I felt like, but Devon, you
hinted at it earlier, Final

908
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,960
destination bloodlines pretty
rare that like the 6th entry in

909
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,600
a long running franchise,
especially when it's it's been

910
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,480
dormant for a decade is as good
as it is.

911
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,560
And this was a nice sweet send
off for Tony Todd.

912
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,680
But this one plays with the
formula and some really fun ways

913
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,600
in that you have like this
terrific, terrific opening set

914
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,360
piece at like kind of the Space
Needle.

915
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Like it's definitely inspired by
Seattle's like Space Needle,

916
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,640
except people don't die in this
one.

917
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,160
Like the payoff is people don't
actually die.

918
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,800
So Final Destination, you know,
death is putting its working

919
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,360
boots on and it's just going
through all of the bloodlines of

920
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,560
everybody till it gets to our
core family here.

921
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,840
And this one has, I think a
theme for my list so far is like

922
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,920
a lot of these movies are
wickedly funny.

923
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,280
Like this one has its tongue
firmly planted in cheek.

924
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,520
The backyard BBQ sequence is
great.

925
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,160
The tattoo parlor sequence is
great.

926
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,640
Garbage truck sequence.
The all of them.

927
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,360
Like trying to rank like what's
your favorite death sequence?

928
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,440
And this is really difficult.
The MRI machine and how it comes

929
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,400
together.
I think the only thing that

930
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,360
didn't land for me is like the
truck at the very end where

931
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,520
things go splat.
But oh, my goodness, like these

932
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,560
really pays off in a big way.
The humor is great.

933
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,760
You know, we talked about being
asthmatic being a plot point.

934
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,400
This is the first thing I've
seen.

935
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,800
I think we're like having a
peanut butter allergy plays like

936
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,640
so much into the sequence of
things here.

937
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,400
And I don't know, like, Final
Destination is back, baby.

938
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,760
The early aughts are back, it
feels like to me.

939
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120
This should have been the year
we got saw 11 as well.

940
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,280
And then the odds would have
really been back.

941
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,160
Yeah, that's, you know, that's a
bummer.

942
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:41,000
But this, this was a a real
surprise highlight for me how

943
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,720
much I really enjoyed this.
Like I was cackling, just

944
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,080
absolutely cackling throughout
this one.

945
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,360
Yeah, I was on that.
I was on that episode, I think,

946
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,920
or maybe it was the ranking
episode.

947
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,000
I think this one's fine.
It's like the the, it's like the

948
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,120
top of my bottom half of the
franchise.

949
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,360
Yeah.
Like I, I, I, I think I, what I

950
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,200
said was, is there's a, there's
a solid stretch from the BBQ up

951
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,360
through the hospital.
That's like a really good found

952
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,400
destination movie.
The beginning, I think it's

953
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,440
whatever.
And the ending Terrible.

954
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,960
Well, the worst third acts in
the entire franchise.

955
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,760
Yeah, you're not wrong.
You're not.

956
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,360
Wrong.
But there's a solid chunk in

957
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,480
there that I'm like, all right,
we're cooking.

958
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,320
We got into the pocket for a
little bit, just couldn't really

959
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,040
sustain it for the the whole
film for me.

960
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,080
It does feel like once the two
brothers like exit the Yeah,

961
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,520
after that, the third act is
really rushed.

962
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,600
It's almost like, all right, we
know where our bread was

963
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,880
buttered, so we just got to get
to the end here.

964
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,320
Fun time now, fun watch.
I had a lot of fun with it.

965
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,280
So how about you, Ari?
I hate to be the one to rain on

966
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,280
the parade.
That's fine, do it.

967
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,640
I did not like this movie.
I've wanted to like it so much.

968
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,080
I'm such a fan of the franchise.
This is my second to last

969
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,080
favorite.
I mean nothing is as terrible as

970
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,160
the 4th 1.
Okay, I was about to say I

971
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,720
thought Mike was misremembering
when he goes yeah, we all love

972
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,760
this one.
And then we're all me and Ari

973
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,600
both went, Did we?
I usually try to stay quiet when

974
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,520
other people love a movie and I
don't cuz I don't want to rain

975
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,240
out the parade, but man this
just felt toothless to me.

976
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,480
This did not feel like the
franchise to me at all.

977
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,480
I was like what are you doing
with the final destination name?

978
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,480
The kills weren't creative as
they should have been.

979
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,440
The gore wasn't there at all.
Everything looked flat and fake

980
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,160
and CGI.
And a franchise that has prided

981
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,320
itself on so many practical
effects over the years we just

982
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,080
fucking phoned it in this time.
None of the kills are memorable

983
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,000
to me.
All the best sequences were

984
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,280
spoiled in the trailers, which I
know is not the movie's fault,

985
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,320
but it really is disappointing
to get to the movie and go, oh,

986
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,560
that's that's you put the best
ones out there cuz the rest of

987
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,720
them were disappointing.
And I don't know, it just felt

988
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,640
like the family plot line just
felt like it didn't go anywhere.

989
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,880
Like they didn't take that
anywhere interesting, you know,

990
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,640
love to see Tony Todd.
Always love to see our

991
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,080
exposition mortician at work.
But I don't know, I was just

992
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,280
bummed out about this one.
I'm so glad other people liked

993
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,440
it.
I love to see people.

994
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,520
This is a good entry point to
the franchise.

995
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,760
That's always cool.
Sure, when a late entry can be a

996
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,040
way in and so I think that's
really neat.

997
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,120
I love horror making money at
the box office, so that's cool.

998
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,760
But that man, this movie
disappointed me personally.

999
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,720
I'm going through the rankings
and it is like right in the

1000
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,440
middle.
It's like 3-1 hundredths of a

1001
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,360
point away from like the number
three spot.

1002
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,400
So it's #4 so kind of right in
the middle, but it was #2 in

1003
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,040
terms of the opening set piece.
The thing that about that

1004
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,920
opening set piece is it's not
really the opening set piece.

1005
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,920
They drag it out throughout the
whole movie, which takes away

1006
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,600
some tension.
What do you mean?

1007
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,440
Cuz remember, they like they,
they go up to the point to where

1008
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,400
she doesn't and then we revisit
it.

1009
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,200
Sure, like.
Later.

1010
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,640
I'm like, cool that.
I mean, the Space Needle thing

1011
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,200
is exciting.
I think that's one of the best,

1012
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,480
most creative things in the
movie.

1013
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,400
It's a great fuck them kid
moment with the kid getting

1014
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
crushed by the piano.
We just chop it up.

1015
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,560
I'm like, what are we doing?
Like the opening set piece is

1016
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,960
the thing, you know, and we
chopped it up and I'm like, what

1017
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,640
it would kill intention for
because no, I don't know.

1018
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,760
Not for me guys, but.
No worries.

1019
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,520
I liked it.
Yeah, I liked it.

1020
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,200
And I like I'm.
I'm a sucker for a movie that

1021
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,280
takes place in fakes.
That's true friend of the Pod

1022
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Canal.
His review of this movie on

1023
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,360
Letterbox is one of my favorite
Letterbox reviews of all time.

1024
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,720
So if you're not following Canal
on Letterbox, you ought to be

1025
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,120
and you should go read his
review of this.

1026
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Fair enough.
OK, well, let's move on.

1027
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,800
Ari, do you want to name your
#7?

1028
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,600
My #7 pick is Frankenstein.
And we'll come back to that

1029
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,320
later.
Brian, do you want to name your

1030
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,760
#7?
Danny Boyle's 28 years later.

1031
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,520
And we're going to come back to
that later, but not 28 years

1032
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,480
later because we're making good
time there.

1033
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,320
I did it again.
Devon, do you want to name your

1034
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,000
number seven pick?
I actually don't want to name my

1035
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,160
#7 pick, I'd rather Ari name it
instead.

1036
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,840
Devon's number seven pick is the
ugly step sister.

1037
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,440
And wait a minute, that brings
us to number six, where my

1038
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,200
number six pick is the ugly step
sister and we get to talk about.

1039
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,800
It take it away.
I thought this movie was

1040
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,800
incredible is the telling of
Cinderella from the ugly step

1041
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,040
sisters perspective, and it's so
much more interesting than that

1042
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:57,880
setup makes it sound.
This is a body horror movie and

1043
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,640
it's a movie about beauty
standards and trying to make

1044
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,600
your way in life by being
beautiful.

1045
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,880
Like when the only options you
have available to you as a woman

1046
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,160
are to be pretty enough to get
someone to take care of you.

1047
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,880
What a horrifying situation that
sounds like.

1048
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,920
I'm so glad I don't have to be
in that situation.

1049
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,080
This movie almost made me throw
up as that's automatic 3 star

1050
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,640
minimum right there.
I love a movie that makes me

1051
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,120
physically gig and I had to like
pause the movie and take a break

1052
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,400
during a particular scene and
come back to it.

1053
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,680
Wow.
Yes, and you are our resident

1054
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,280
like, you know, like the nasty
horror.

1055
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,000
So that's impressive.
The thing that gets me is things

1056
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,360
going in or out of mouths, so
when I see that in a movie I

1057
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,040
usually have to take a break.
I mean, The Ugly Step Sister

1058
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,680
absolutely nails the critique of
beauty standards and the

1059
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,520
takedown of how it must have
been under that pressure.

1060
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,040
And it's the story of
Cinderella, so you know where

1061
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,480
it's going.
But it still manages to surprise

1062
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,680
me and it's so gross throughout,
you guys.

1063
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,320
I love it.
And Devon, you had this ranked

1064
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,360
as well.
What were your?

1065
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Thoughts.
Yeah, I had this at #7 Loved

1066
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,360
this film.
Shout out Emily Blechfeld, she

1067
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,080
is a Norwegian director.
This was her debut.

1068
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,040
So I'd say this is one of the
stronger debuts that we had this

1069
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,440
year because her the aesthetic
and style that she brought to

1070
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,120
this period piece is instantly
like, you know, we've kind of

1071
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,080
seen this like kind of take
before where it's like, you

1072
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,640
know, we have the period piece
with everything costume, you

1073
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,800
know, languages, but then it has
like a very modern sound, like

1074
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,520
kind of score to it, but it
works very well in this and it I

1075
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,240
don't know.
She she knows how to like kind

1076
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,080
of play with the period piece,
when to be period accurate and

1077
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,920
when she can kind of do her own
thing.

1078
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,760
I thought that was really fun to
watch.

1079
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,560
One of my favorite performances
from the year, Liam Mirren as

1080
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,440
Elvira.
She is fantastic in this really

1081
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,360
kind of carrying this film on
her back or on her nose, maybe

1082
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,160
because yes, the the use of the
period.

1083
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,160
Setting and the way that plays
into the body whore these like,

1084
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:13,480
you know, very primal versions
of plastic surgery and other

1085
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,160
kind of health and beauty things
and how those have evolved and

1086
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,120
like but like where they came
from, I think is a very

1087
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,840
fantastic which I like the film
a lot.

1088
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,600
Like the only reason this isn't
higher up on my list is like I

1089
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,520
like it when it's like only
doing vague shades of

1090
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,800
Cinderella.
The third act goes a little too

1091
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,480
Cinderella for me and I'm like,
you were kind of doing your own

1092
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,680
thing and I liked that more.
That's the only reason this

1093
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,000
movie like isn't like a top five
for me, because I really enjoyed

1094
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,920
this film.
It is.

1095
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,160
I wish I squeezed this one in.
I wish I squeezed this one into

1096
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,320
my list.
I just didn't get it.

1097
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,920
It's on Shudder.
It's on Shudder.

1098
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,680
Check it out.
We didn't really have much, much

1099
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,160
nasty horror this year.
It's a bit dry this year not.

1100
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,960
And this has all the fluids.
Lots of fluids.

1101
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,240
People throwing up, chopping,
chopping stuff off.

1102
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,640
Lots of nasty shit in this
movie.

1103
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,720
A fun fact for me as I cancelled
Shutter a couple months ago

1104
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,960
because I just was not going to
it enough.

1105
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,400
And I think this is on Hulu, and
a lot of the stuff on Shutter

1106
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,480
you could watch on Canopy for
free.

1107
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,480
Like, it makes its way over
there pretty quickly.

1108
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,640
Yeah, but it is on Shutter,
which is a great service.

1109
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,640
I know I'll pick it up again,
but I just was like, I'll save a

1110
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,240
few bucks for a few months.
Anyway, that's a fascinating

1111
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,800
insight into my life.
And what's.

1112
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,960
There you go, since I am.
Yeah, I like The Ugly Step

1113
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,040
Sister.
I don't.

1114
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,840
It's one of those movies that
ended up kind of in that 3 1/2

1115
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,400
stars space for me.
And so I have a lot of them and,

1116
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,160
you know, where do I put them?
And it's probably just outside

1117
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,320
the list somewhere.
I thought it was a really good

1118
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,840
movie and really enjoyed it a
lot.

1119
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,440
Well, what's another movie you
enjoyed a lot, Brian?

1120
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,400
What would be your number?
Six My Number Six is a movie

1121
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,640
that apparently only I enjoyed,
it seems because everyone else

1122
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,480
seems to be giving it, panning
it, and that is him starring

1123
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,040
Marlon Wayans, I'm Sorry and
Tariq Withers.

1124
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Tariq Withers plays Cam, who is
a promising young athlete who

1125
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:18,640
gets assaulted out of the blue
one night and it looks like his

1126
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,720
NFL chances are diminished
greatly.

1127
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,040
But then his hero, played by
Marlon Wayans, calls him up and

1128
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:31,360
invites him to come and train
with him for a week at his

1129
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,000
private compound.
Now, to me, this is a a movie

1130
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,840
that obviously one of the things
that people are not criticizing

1131
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,640
is the visual.
So that they're saying, you

1132
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,520
know, the visuals are gorgeous.
It's really stylish and looks

1133
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,280
great, but there's nothing going
on underneath.

1134
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,000
And I'm like, I could not
disagree more with that

1135
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,200
statement because there's so
much commentary going on about

1136
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,600
raising like celebrities and
sports heroes to the level of

1137
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,240
like Christ like status.
And that can be spread to a lot

1138
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,360
of different places.
I mean, Cam faces all kinds of

1139
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,680
temptations.
What does it take to become the

1140
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,560
greatest and why is that defined
the same way for everybody?

1141
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,560
I think there's a lot of
interesting stuff going on in

1142
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,320
this movie.
Again, I saw it twice.

1143
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,800
I just really was captivated by
it.

1144
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,200
I thought it had some
interesting subtext about, you

1145
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,120
know, I'm obviously I'm working
on a podcast about religious

1146
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,000
horror.
And this is one of those pieces

1147
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,920
where I was like, I saw this and
when I wrote to my Co host right

1148
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,440
away and said, oh, this is 1 we
can talk about because there's a

1149
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,480
lot of that in this.
Just as far as imagery, as far

1150
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,160
as subtext, there's stuff about
like Native American vision

1151
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,560
quests and all kinds of things
going on here.

1152
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:55,360
So I thought this was I think,
OK, I'm going to say it now.

1153
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,920
I think this is the movie from
this year that 10 years from now

1154
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:03,160
people are going to say, boy,
would we sleep on that movie?

1155
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:08,320
OK.
So so I so this movie, it was my

1156
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,760
most anticipated going into the
year.

1157
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,000
And while I didn't dislike this,
I did a whole episode on

1158
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,640
Inspector Sima.
What one of your highlights

1159
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:21,080
emphasized, I think now just
unlocked why this didn't hit for

1160
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,920
me because like, I mean, when
this was announced, you would

1161
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,040
think I wrote it myself.
Like is it like I was kind of

1162
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,720
thinking I was going down?
I was like, it's going to be the

1163
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,520
neon demon, but football I was
like, that is everything for you

1164
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,280
know, and I kind of so it's
partially expectations, I guess,

1165
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,200
of what I thought the movie
would be because I I wish it was

1166
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,800
a little bit more specific
because I am such a big football

1167
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,440
fan.
And I think what you would

1168
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,240
mention is like they're kind of
going a little bit more broad in

1169
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,840
this like kind of Christ like
status symbol can be, you know,

1170
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,960
copy and paste down to something
else and they just happen to

1171
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,280
choose football for this versus
I was like, I think there is a

1172
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,960
lot of real horror that can be
mined from.

1173
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,720
Football.
You know, so I think so.

1174
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,840
I think that is part of me.
I wanted it to go a little bit

1175
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,800
more specific if we're going to
use football as you know, the

1176
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,240
the kind of staging for this.
It's still pretty solid movie.

1177
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,560
Marlon Wayne's definitely keeps
it entertaining, you know, and

1178
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,160
captivating with his performance
and energy.

1179
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,960
Didn't really like Cam's writing
and performance as much.

1180
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,720
But yeah, visuals are sick.
There's a, there's a, there's

1181
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,240
some fun stuff in here.
Like this is definitely not a

1182
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,160
bad movie for all the people
panning it cuz there is also

1183
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,480
they did that thing where they
heavily did the produced by

1184
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,120
Jordan Peele cuz this was among
the paw rather than being like

1185
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,640
hey, this is a Justin Tipping
film, not a Jordan Peele film.

1186
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,800
So I think that's a part of it.
Justin Tipping his last film

1187
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,560
Kicks is one of my like all time
like favorite hidden gems.

1188
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,160
And if you watch that, you
people would understand his

1189
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,760
surrealism into the narrative a
little bit more.

1190
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,000
OK, I saw a lot of people like
nitpicking this movie like this

1191
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,000
is like a cinema sins, like, you
know, nugget here because I saw

1192
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,920
a lot of people like nitpicking
the the narrative and stuff.

1193
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,640
I'm like, OK, that's not what
we're really here to do, you

1194
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,720
know, so.
Here's a question I have for you

1195
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:19,880
guys then regarding Monkey Paw.
It feels like everything outside

1196
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,800
of the stuff that Peel has
directed from Monkey Paw doesn't

1197
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,680
get any critical acclaim.
Like it kind of gets shit on in

1198
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,680
a lot of ways.
And I'm wondering if like, it's

1199
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,600
hard to live up to.
Like the three instant classics

1200
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,400
Appeal has kind of like all of
his films to varying degrees

1201
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,760
have been pretty widely regarded
and everything else he's

1202
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,080
produced not so much so.
And is that, I don't know, is

1203
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,600
that like we're expecting too
much sometimes?

1204
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,160
I mean, I mean, yes, because
that's not what you should

1205
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,320
expect.
Like it, it's like, it's like,

1206
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,960
yeah, like it's Jordan Peele's
company producing.

1207
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,840
But like, even like even Get Out
was made even before, like, you

1208
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,920
know, Monkey Paul was even like
truly established.

1209
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,440
That was under a different
studio more, more or less, you

1210
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,440
know.
So it's like you can't just just

1211
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,280
because it's from that studio.
Like, I would assume Amblin

1212
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,120
probably had a similar thing in
the 90s.

1213
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,200
People see Amblin, so it's gonna
be as good as, yeah, it's gonna

1214
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,560
be as good as Spielberg.
So I'm assuming it's kind of a

1215
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:31,200
similar scenario there, but with
Monkey Paw, even if there's a

1216
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,000
selection of films isn't the
best.

1217
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:39,200
I like what they're doing for
developing talent and getting

1218
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,280
voices out there and things like
that.

1219
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,400
Because I think Justin Tipping
is a very exciting director and

1220
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,600
this was like, hey, let's see
what you can do.

1221
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,000
Let's prop you up a little bit,
give you some money.

1222
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,040
I think the movie was like
heavily recut though.

1223
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,760
The movie feels like it has like
a lot of gaps to it and like how

1224
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,960
when you look at some of the
marketing stuff and like I have

1225
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,800
a case of a lot of that stuff
isn't actually in the movie.

1226
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,080
I think the movie kind of got
cut up a little bit.

1227
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,520
I would love to see what may be
a a pretest screening of that

1228
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,640
film would have looked like.
Yvonne, do you want to just name

1229
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,840
your number six as we move on
here?

1230
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:22,040
My number six is the long walk.
And we'll come back to that and

1231
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,120
number six was bring her back
and we'll come back to that as

1232
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,399
well.
Brian, what was your number 5?

1233
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,640
Now we're getting to the we're
halfway done.

1234
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,120
I mean, folks, we are halfway
through our top 10.

1235
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:38,240
So now we get to the nitty
gritty the our five best for the

1236
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,520
year.
OK so my number 5 is the long

1237
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,319
walk and am I talking about?
It we are going to hold off,

1238
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,279
right?
Now, all right, OK.

1239
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:52,000
We're going to hold off, Devon,
you're #5.

1240
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,479
My number 5 is Clown in a
Cornfield.

1241
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,960
OK, and now hear me out because
you want to talk about movies

1242
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,520
getting panned.
This movie was getting

1243
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,319
absolutely trashed on Letterbox.
This is directed by Eli Craig

1244
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,880
behind Tucker and Dale versus
Evil.

1245
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,399
He did do like a movie for
Netflix in between this, but I

1246
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,560
never saw it that little evil
movie.

1247
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,800
Anybody else see that?
That's not a good movie.

1248
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,560
This is much better than Little
Evil.

1249
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,800
Little Evil should be much
better than it is.

1250
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,680
So Clown in a Cornfield is a
movie based off of a book series

1251
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,920
made is I think one.
This is Midwest horror.

1252
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,080
It's set in my home state of
Missouri so I am also showing

1253
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,560
some bias as well.
But here's the thing, I don't

1254
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,399
know what people expected from
this.

1255
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:40,359
It is adapted from like a, you
know, kind of teen YA series.

1256
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,120
This is kind of gateway horror
to a degree, even though it is

1257
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,880
pretty gory for a gateway
horror.

1258
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,000
But like overall, I'd say the
tone it could be.

1259
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,080
This is going to be like a
double feature for if you

1260
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,400
enjoyed Dark Harvest, the David
Slade movie from a couple of

1261
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,920
years ago.
I feel like these two are kind

1262
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,120
of a fun thing, but it's, it's
some teens, they're in a town,

1263
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,000
it's senior year.
They're just trying to make it

1264
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,920
out of their small town.
There's tension amongst the

1265
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,920
teens and the adults in this
town was, you know, thrived on a

1266
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,400
corn syrup company mascot,
friend of the clown.

1267
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,440
And then, hey, there's a clown
in the cornfield that's killing

1268
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:22,480
people.
And this is a slasher mystery.

1269
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,520
And for me again, I just had a
very pleasant experience

1270
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,880
watching this.
I think the teens are

1271
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:34,200
appropriately annoying, but not
too annoying like I, I, I did I

1272
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,840
was like this feels like the
chemistry amongst the cast felt

1273
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,040
very genuine, especially the
main performance by the final

1274
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:44,800
girl Kitty Douglas as Quinn.
And I think it has fun kills has

1275
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,720
some fun set pieces.
It has a queer subplot to it.

1276
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,720
It.
It is charming and funny.

1277
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,200
Like, I don't know, I but a lot
of people just, I don't know,

1278
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,440
seem to want something else from
this movie.

1279
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:58,440
And a lot of people are just
like, what is that?

1280
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,040
In in your defense, Devon, I
would say the majority of the

1281
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,160
pod and pendulum crew really
enjoyed this.

1282
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,720
Just looking at the looking at
our letterbox for it, most of us

1283
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,720
had it.
Three stars, most of us.

1284
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,480
I think Steven had it on his
list.

1285
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,960
You might be correct, Ari.
What did you think of this one?

1286
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,000
I've liked this movie a lot.
I thought it was sweet and

1287
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,120
charming.
I love a straightforward slasher

1288
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,480
whodunnit like, oh God, just
give me a formulaic slasher from

1289
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:27,360
time to time and just let me
rest.

1290
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:29,920
Yeah, I enjoyed this movie very
much.

1291
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Also love, you know, a corn # So
yeah, this is a fun one.

1292
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,680
I think I'm the one.
I think I'm the one this movie

1293
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,400
bounced off of.
It just didn't do much for me.

1294
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,480
But you know, I'm glad people
like it, so I'm not gonna yuck

1295
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:48,120
anybody's young.
It's a really good gateway whore

1296
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,960
to me.
Like sure, if you move past like

1297
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,560
the goosebumps of the world and
you're looking for that like

1298
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,640
starter slasher, then this is a
really good one.

1299
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,960
It's a really fun cast.
It has a great performance from

1300
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:03,000
like Kevin Durant there
underrated genre king.

1301
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,720
Yeah, he's always solid and
pretty much everything he turns

1302
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,240
up and including the Naked Gun
this year, he has like 1 of them

1303
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,160
in the Naked Gun as well.
And I found this one like really

1304
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:20,000
fun and funny to me was kind of
like if Scooby-doo were a a real

1305
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,000
slasher like.
Yeah, yeah, I I got you.

1306
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,960
And I know I mentioned like
generational trauma before and I

1307
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,440
really appreciate how this one
is less about generational

1308
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:37,120
trauma and more about
generational conflict and how

1309
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,800
our parents generation, oh
really?

1310
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,120
My generation views my child's
generation.

1311
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,320
And you know, we're typically
like, fuck those kids.

1312
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,800
So to see it play out here, like
literally like being a fuck the

1313
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,440
well, not literally a fuck those
kids movie, but the parents are

1314
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:57,880
just like they're fed up.
I thought was really fun and

1315
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,760
good and like this was solid.
I, I don't understand why folks

1316
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,200
would hate.
And I would just say the writer,

1317
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,840
Adam Cesare, who wrote the
novels, that it's a series of

1318
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,240
young adult horror novels that
the film is based on as a

1319
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,480
terrific dude.
And I would say go ahead and

1320
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:16,840
support him in more things.
But yeah.

1321
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,280
So I think this is Devon.
You're the only one of us that

1322
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,080
has it on here, but it's a solid
pick.

1323
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,280
My number 5 was 28 years later,
which we'll come back to in a

1324
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,560
bit.
Ari, do you want to mention your

1325
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,560
number 5?
My number 5 was the long walk,

1326
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,440
which we'll get to later. 2
later, And did Devon step away

1327
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:38,760
for a moment?
Seems to be the case.

1328
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,480
It looks like he did.
All right.

1329
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,920
Well, we'll come back to Devon
for his number four.

1330
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,040
I'll just mention my number four
of the only one who had it on

1331
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,480
here.
VHS Halloween, which I loved

1332
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,680
this movie.
I really like this franchise.

1333
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,640
I think it's one of the really
good original series that

1334
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,840
Shutter has at this point to me.
If you go back and listen to our

1335
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,680
full episode where I gushed over
it, I'll be pretty brief right

1336
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,000
now.
But to me, every segment hit

1337
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,880
Rick Baker playing a cranky
neighbor that goes into his like

1338
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,960
neighbors haunted attraction and
just shits on it.

1339
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,800
And that being a bit like to me
was just so funny.

1340
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,640
Like Baker like kind of like
playing not want to say himself,

1341
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,240
but like kind of get what he's
going for there.

1342
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,920
I thought the opening segment
the God, it's like based on a

1343
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,760
child's nursery rhyme, but like
the creepy baby, like the minute

1344
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,040
coochie COO coochie COO thank
you.

1345
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,720
The minute the dude and the baby
bonnet and diaper shows up, I

1346
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,360
had to pause and be like what
the fuck is this right now?

1347
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,960
Like what am I in for?
Great visuals, great effects,

1348
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,880
fun size was a hoot in a riot.
There's one that's very like

1349
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:58,640
Cargill coated, like the use of
like 8mm camera and home video

1350
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,240
footage where it's more like a
serial killer on the loose.

1351
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,560
There was enough there that I
really loved all of the

1352
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,760
segments.
And I think it's my, you know,

1353
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,120
it's the best one since Part 2
for sure.

1354
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:14,720
And I think this is my favorite
one of the series overall.

1355
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,360
So VHS Halloween, any thoughts?
Ari, did you catch or Bride or

1356
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,440
Ari, did you guys catch this?
Go ahead.

1357
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,800
Brian, I haven't stayed current
with the VHS movies.

1358
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,920
I saw the first couple.
I think I saw the one with the

1359
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,640
Ratma 1, whatever one that was
and, and that's about it.

1360
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,200
I, I just haven't really stayed
current with them.

1361
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,960
So I, I think I saw the first
segment of this one and just,

1362
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,320
you know, was like, OK and moved
on to something else.

1363
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,680
I I don't know, I don't know why
that is.

1364
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,520
It's just, I don't know it.
I'm I'm discovering things about

1365
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,400
me, and that is one of them is
that my appreciation of found

1366
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:59,160
footage is limited, Sure.
And so there are some found

1367
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:04,320
footage films I really love and
really appreciate, but it's not

1368
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,960
very many, I'll admit, sorry to
say.

1369
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,320
That's all right.
That is all right.

1370
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,600
Oh, go ahead, Devon.
No, you go.

1371
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,600
You saw this in theaters, right?
You got to see this at Fantastic

1372
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,040
Fest, right?
I did and it's a perfect fest

1373
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:22,400
movie and it was about time VHS
did a Halloween famed fun.

1374
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:26,000
Like that's perfect.
Like that's just catnip for us.

1375
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,400
So yeah, I enjoyed this.
I thought as usual for VHS, some

1376
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,280
of the segments had ups and
downs but really fun with a

1377
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,320
crowd.
Yeah, I, I, you know, on one

1378
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,040
hand, I love getting one of
these movies like kind of every

1379
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,040
year and it's like, all right,
what we doing.

1380
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,840
But I feel like now I am kind of
like maybe they could take a

1381
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,960
break in between a little bit
because they're starting to feel

1382
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:55,280
like they're drifting further
away from like the VHS found

1383
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,480
footage roots.
And you know, they're just like

1384
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,080
kind of almost going to be doing
their own thing.

1385
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,960
Which like they've even said
that beyond fest, like last

1386
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,680
year, because I saw like the
premiere for whichever the last

1387
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,840
one was beyond and basically
saying like, oh, like, you know,

1388
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,320
found footage is cool, but like
we're not really all that

1389
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,120
concerned about it.
Basically it was like what

1390
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,960
they're saying.
So like, but then it's like,

1391
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,280
well, now we're just kind of
going off the title.

1392
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,720
I don't know.
Anyways, I think this one is.

1393
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,080
If you're expecting it to be
based on VHS tapes like it's the

1394
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,200
name of the series and that's
what you're getting.

1395
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:31,000
Yeah, but but even now, but it's
like again, I like, I like like

1396
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,000
a few of the shorts in here.
I feel like 2 of them I can kind

1397
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,400
of do without.
But like all of these shorts

1398
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,960
don't really need to be found
footage, even though like a

1399
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,680
couple of them are like they,
they try to keep it.

1400
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,640
Oh, somebody was filming this
type of deal, but it's like all

1401
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,960
of these is like, well, this
could also just at this point be

1402
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,280
an anthology where it's not, you
know, that I don't know.

1403
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,520
I feel like the the franchise is
a covenant odd spot.

1404
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,360
I listened to an episode of the
messed up movies podcast and

1405
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,280
they kind of said this, this
movie is them kind of meming

1406
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,160
themselves like as a franchise,
cuz all of them are kind of

1407
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,520
callbacks to shorts we've or
similar to other shorts we've

1408
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,240
seen.
And I was kind of just like, Oh,

1409
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,000
this is kind of similar to that
other one.

1410
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,360
Yeah, I like that other one too.
And then so I was like, I don't

1411
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,240
know, this this one is an odd
one.

1412
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,880
I still enjoyed watching it.
But like, this is the only one I

1413
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,920
actually like watched it in the
segments because this movie I

1414
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,440
could not stay awake for.
Like, it was like, entertaining.

1415
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:32,000
But I was like, so, so sleepy
every time.

1416
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,920
I could never like, actually
finish it.

1417
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,800
So I don't know.
That might say something.

1418
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:42,360
I did say to playoff of that.
I guess I did say that I have

1419
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,800
when I've watched the first,
second and segment and moved on

1420
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,480
to other things.
No, I actually fell asleep.

1421
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:51,320
Sorry.
Sorry, moved on to other things,

1422
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,960
that being a pillow.
Well, Devon, what was your #4?

1423
01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:00,960
My number 4 was Frankenstein.
Hold on to that thought, Arya.

1424
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,040
What was your #4?
Mine was 28 years later.

1425
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,280
We'll come back to that shortly.
Brian, what was your #4?

1426
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:13,400
My number 4 is bring her.
Back, OK, so that brings us to

1427
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:18,280
the our top three of the year,
our top three, my number 3 was

1428
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,520
the long walk and I guess now we
can.

1429
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,640
Talk about was this the only one
on everyone's list?

1430
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:26,320
Because I believe.
There's.

1431
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,760
One other.
So we have two movies that

1432
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,240
everyone had.
So yeah, this was like we have

1433
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:38,200
one Joe Hill adaptation this
year with the Black Phone 2 and

1434
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,760
you know, this being the Steve,
this is a big year for Stephen

1435
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,200
King adaptations.
Like we had The Monkey with

1436
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:49,240
Oscar and Perkins, we had The
Running Man with Glen Powell and

1437
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:53,480
Edgar Wright directing, and then
we had The Long Walk and this

1438
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:55,560
was a hard one to bring of the
screen.

1439
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,720
Like, this was never going to be
an easy one because it's

1440
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,000
literally just a bunch of dudes
walking.

1441
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,160
And I just found that this was
really moving it definitely.

1442
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,720
Till the ending, like followed
the book really well.

1443
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,720
But to me, this is like, you
know, I mentioned when we talked

1444
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,120
about friendship, like the how
there's not a lot of connection

1445
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,880
anymore, how we're all kind of
like disconnected from one

1446
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,720
another.
And watching this one play out

1447
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,960
where like these young men are
in and awful circumstances, like

1448
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,240
so quickly bond and pull for one
another, even if that means like

1449
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,320
someone else's success could
lead to their own demise.

1450
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,000
That was really incredible.
And how that bond, that bonding

1451
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,520
felt very natural.
It didn't feel forced.

1452
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:44,040
David Johnson from alien Romulus
is back here.

1453
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,120
And this is a man who is just
going to win Oscar awards one

1454
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,960
day.
Like he's absolutely fantastic

1455
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,000
in one of the Co lead roles in
this movie.

1456
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:59,960
And it's also brutal, like the
violence is not shield away from

1457
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:04,560
it all in this movie.
It really is a brutal film to

1458
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,840
watch.
Like when the men, young men are

1459
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:11,320
executed, It's really horrific.
It's very much a movie for it's

1460
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,840
our time right now.
Like we you talked earlier,

1461
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,160
Brian, about the rule of Jenny
Penn being about fascism.

1462
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,440
And, you know, this is a movie
about, you know, living under a

1463
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:24,200
fascist dictator and played by
Mark Hamill, like playing

1464
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,960
fascist dictator here.
Which is amazing.

1465
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,000
And you see, like, just what a
buffoon he is.

1466
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,880
But the ability to consolidate
that power, it doesn't mean how

1467
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,640
much of A buffoon you are.
If everybody willingly cedes

1468
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,040
power to you, you can pretty
much do what you want.

1469
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,800
And I think that's a very timely
lesson for this day.

1470
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,120
But we all had it on our list.
So maybe let's all briefly go

1471
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,000
through like Ari, like what was
your thoughts on the long walk?

1472
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,720
You know, I'm a Stephen King
Gurley.

1473
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,560
I always have been.
Probably the first horror movie

1474
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,160
I ever saw was the IT miniseries
and I love almost all of his

1475
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,600
stories.
Adaptations are up and down, but

1476
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,440
like, it was going to be a real
surprise if I didn't love this

1477
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:11,480
movie and it just fucked me up.
I thought it was perfect.

1478
01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:14,240
I thought the relationships
between the boys are perfect.

1479
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,880
The storytelling for today is
spot on.

1480
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:22,280
It looked really good.
Like you think a movie of people

1481
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,080
walking for an hour and 45
minutes is gonna start to look

1482
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,280
boring.
But it looked really great, so I

1483
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,400
think it just perfectly nailed
the assignment.

1484
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,000
Yeah, that thought.
So I agree.

1485
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:36,920
Yeah, it's a gut punch.
Like the ending of this movie is

1486
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,000
like an absolute like punch in
the stomach.

1487
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,680
It's really brutal.
What about the rest of you guys?

1488
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:46,920
I'll say the ending is what kept
it from being a little bit

1489
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:51,840
higher up my list for me because
I, I was really loved what it

1490
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,520
was building towards.
Like I thought the film was

1491
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,240
perfectly paced, you know, as
apropos for the film.

1492
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,920
Francis Lawrence, known for
doing The Hunger Games movies.

1493
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:06,080
So like he's in this sub genre,
he understands how to kind of do

1494
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,200
that.
So the way he parses out the

1495
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,800
horror of this, cuz it, this is
a horror film, like I don't, I

1496
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,280
don't want to hear, I don't want
to hear.

1497
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,000
No like kind of like contest on
this one.

1498
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,640
Like this one gets brutal and
like dark, you know, like an and

1499
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,000
it creeps in like 'cause you
kind of think like, OK, how bad

1500
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,720
can it be?
You know, like, if you're

1501
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,440
thinking from that aspect,
didn't expect this movie to have

1502
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,600
the most shit, like literal shit
in it of any film from this

1503
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,360
year.
And it is comes at the most

1504
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,200
uncomfortable times.
But also, yeah, there's a great

1505
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,920
emotional core.
And we've had a lot of, you

1506
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,640
know, films like kind of, you
know, commenting on our current

1507
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,480
sociopolitical landscape in
different ways.

1508
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,160
And I liked the emotional core
that this was building up

1509
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,400
towards that.
Again, I feel like the last

1510
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,720
scene kind of betrays a little
bit, but I like everything.

1511
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,040
I loved everything else like but
the like last seen literally

1512
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,440
knocked us down from a 4.5 to a
four.

1513
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,080
Still a very strong four for me,
but like I thought they were

1514
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,920
really building something there
and.

1515
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,000
I agree with the change they
make to the Bachmann ending

1516
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,760
isn't great, but I think like
the yeah, what it represents,

1517
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,720
like given Johnson's character
in the movie and like the choice

1518
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,440
he makes like that to me is the
gut punch, that kind of absence

1519
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:28,440
of hope at the end of it and the
way it just fades out.

1520
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:32,080
But.
Maybe the ending like stuck the

1521
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,920
landing like I I was like I hope
it does this and then it did

1522
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,200
that.
But I understand.

1523
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,800
I also understand why it knocked
it down for some I.

1524
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,200
Don't know, but but I do agree
with every what everyone said

1525
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,360
David Johnson that kids got the
juice.

1526
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,240
He's put him in more things put
him in more things.

1527
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,960
Him and Hoffman together.
I definitely bought their

1528
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,080
relationship like so much.
They really did like carry it.

1529
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,640
I it's like I wish there was a
duo combinations.

1530
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:00,360
We'll see if on this gets into
the new Oscar category of

1531
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,960
achievement and casting.
This has a very strong ensemble

1532
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,320
in general.
Could be a, could be a sleeper

1533
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,240
pick to get in there.
Yeah, Brian, what say you?

1534
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:15,280
I praised the theatrical
experience a few slots back.

1535
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,600
This was my absolute worst
theatrical experience of the

1536
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:23,400
year.
I sat down with my son and this

1537
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:29,560
guy walks in with like 3 little
kids, little kids like 5-8

1538
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,720
between 5:00 and 8:00.
And they sit right in front of

1539
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,120
me and I'm like, did they walk
into the wrong theater?

1540
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:41,160
And they all have devices and
they're all on their, you know,

1541
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,880
their little phones or whatever.
During the whole fucking movie,

1542
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,880
one of the kids starts playing
with the seat next to her.

1543
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,480
And I actually had to lean down
and said, excuse me, will you

1544
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,520
please stop kicking the seat?
And it was just like that said.

1545
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:00,160
And by the way, they showed up
again when I saw Black Phone 2.

1546
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,560
Love it.
No, not the same thing.

1547
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,080
They're following you.
I don't know if these people are

1548
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,040
real.
Brian I.

1549
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,800
Think Brian's in a horror meal.
Oh my gosh, it was awful.

1550
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:19,280
Anyway, that said, this movie
still had a ton of power despite

1551
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:25,160
the fact that everyone else in
the theater who was not this

1552
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,920
family was pissed off at this
family.

1553
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:36,120
So or whatever kind of group
they were, it was it's just a

1554
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,840
remarkable film.
I can't add more to what people

1555
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,520
have already said.
It's it's like you said, brutal

1556
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,080
and, you know, having two
adaptations from the Bachmann

1557
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,600
books this year.
I liked the Running man well

1558
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,440
enough, but this is the one that
really had the power and the

1559
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:57,040
darkness and just that.
I mean, it's a nihilistic maybe,

1560
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,640
but it's it's captures the
feeling of the 70s.

1561
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,400
I love that it's kind of out of
time, which the running Man did

1562
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,000
too, which was kind of cool.
You know, where where it's not

1563
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,000
really set in a specific time.
It's just exists.

1564
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,240
And books are fascinating
because they're so much darker

1565
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,600
in tone than King's own work,
which is.

1566
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,400
They're very Vietnam era.
They're very era.

1567
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,680
And that's what the long walk is
like an allegory in Vietnam.

1568
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,280
It just fits really well to now.
But like there's like a thread

1569
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:31,560
of hope that you typically runs
through King's work that when he

1570
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,560
was writing as Bachman, like he
basically stamped out and threw

1571
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:40,000
away these books.
The books are grim and Lawrence

1572
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,360
like matches that tone here as
well.

1573
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,680
It's almost the reverse of King
where.

1574
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,040
So there you go.
I need to I used to have that as

1575
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,800
well because that's the only one
that has age, right?

1576
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,440
That's the only way you're going
to get that.

1577
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:54,920
So.
That's going to be my new.

1578
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,960
That's going to be my new move.
Whenever I'm like flirting with

1579
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,480
somebody, I'm like, I'm like,
oh, you read King.

1580
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,000
That's soft Bachman.
Now that guy is.

1581
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,720
Crazy.
So Devon, your flirting moves is

1582
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,120
to call someone soft when you're
interested.

1583
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,880
No, it's not.
In a way where you're like, oh,

1584
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,640
your skin is so soft and nice.
It's part of it.

1585
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,560
It's the bit.
It's for the bit.

1586
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:22,520
Listeners, Brian just reached
aside and pulled over a copy of

1587
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,480
the Bachman books, just to make
sure everybody knew that that

1588
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:29,600
happened.
Brian has his kids on standby.

1589
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,040
Every time Brian says I brought
my son to the movie, he just

1590
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,400
holds him up by his hoodie.
Which is funny because that kid

1591
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,680
always wears a hoodie.
The kid like feed me please.

1592
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,560
So we have to cut those bits out
so Brian doesn't get.

1593
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,720
So my goodness.
Do you and your son wear

1594
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,440
matching track suits to the WE?
Look just like, you know, in 20,

1595
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:54,920
at the end of 28 years later,
we're all looking just.

1596
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,560
Like.
In the wigs and everything.

1597
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,200
Oh, hold that thought on the. 28
years.

1598
01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:03,600
Later, because we're going to
bring it to Arielle and Arielle,

1599
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,840
why don't you talk about your
number three pick?

1600
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,800
My number three pick was Bring
Her Back by the Phillip Who

1601
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:14,040
Brothers.
This movie did exactly what I

1602
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,160
hoped it would do.
I was like wow, this looks like

1603
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,360
it's going to be a scary
emotional gut punch because I

1604
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,440
don't like to be sad unless I'm
also scared, which is why I

1605
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:24,000
haven't seen the life of Chuck
yet.

1606
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,960
I don't see any reason to go be
sad without being scared but

1607
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,120
Bring Her back.
I was like, yes, this is going

1608
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,240
to fry me emotionally and be
really creepy.

1609
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,960
It's hard not to compare when
you know, to their first two

1610
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,440
films.
Like it's hard not to compare to

1611
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:41,440
Talk to Me.
And I liked this way more than I

1612
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:45,680
like to Talk to Me.
It just the central performances

1613
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,760
are all very convincing and very
tense.

1614
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,160
I really like that some people
were upset that we didn't get

1615
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,800
more explanation of certain
things.

1616
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,520
I actually think that was a
strength of the movie because I

1617
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,840
think the desperation of the
mom, she wouldn't really be

1618
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,160
looking for explanations, she
would just be looking for

1619
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,960
solutions.
I really like that they cast an

1620
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,240
actress who was partially
sighted to play the role of a

1621
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,000
partially sighted person.
I thought that was really cool.

1622
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,800
Yeah.
And just it, it did some things

1623
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,600
I didn't expect.
So this is one of the ones from

1624
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,000
the first half of the year.
And you know where we were

1625
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,160
talking about earlier, like the
first half of the year was

1626
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:25,720
really strong.
This was kind of the end point

1627
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,040
of that for me.
Yeah.

1628
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,760
But I loved it.
Yep, like a lot of us had it on

1629
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,120
here, yeah.
Yeah, this is a movie that the

1630
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:39,280
first time I saw it, I it didn't
deeply connect with me.

1631
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:46,040
And whereas another movie did,
but then as I, I went back and I

1632
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,760
was like, I really need to
revisit, bring her back.

1633
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:55,240
And so I watched it again and it
just rose way up in my rankings

1634
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,680
while the other movie sort of
fell off.

1635
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,360
And we'll talk about that other
movie, but this one boy, after

1636
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:07,040
revisiting it, it was things
that didn't work for me the

1637
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,160
first time really did on a on a
second viewing.

1638
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:13,600
And I was just deeply moved by
it.

1639
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:19,400
And there there's some gore
elements in this that really the

1640
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:21,320
first time I saw it really put
me off.

1641
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,480
I'll admit I I think as I get
older I become a little bit more

1642
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,040
squeamish, I guess.
Like the part where he's, you

1643
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:33,720
know, biting and peeling chunks
of his arm off really got to me

1644
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:35,160
the first time.
It really.

1645
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,800
It really bothered me.
And you know, the famous

1646
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,840
cantaloupe scene and everything,
but then you know, kind of

1647
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:47,400
knowing where it was going and
being able to really connect

1648
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:53,480
with both the I guess the
relationship between the

1649
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:59,320
siblings was is so powerful.
And you know, that poor boy just

1650
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:03,760
keeps looking like such a screw
up and and just the way it the

1651
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:08,280
way it grows and develops was
and every performance is so good

1652
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,440
in this.
I think Sally Hawkins is just

1653
01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:13,720
heartbreaking.
You really, even though she's

1654
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,640
ostensibly the villain of the
movie, you get it with her.

1655
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,640
You understand where this is all
coming from.

1656
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:28,040
Just this desperation to have
this thing that was lost back is

1657
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:32,840
so I was, I was profoundly moved
by this on revisit and I'm so

1658
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,880
glad I did that revisit.
Yeah, I had that in my notes.

1659
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:41,480
So like when I did my letterbox
review of it one like it's the

1660
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:45,400
most that I've receded into my
seat during any horror movie

1661
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,240
this year.
Like this made me like

1662
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,600
viscerally uncomfortable
watching it.

1663
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,400
Some of the body horror and gore
in this like so I'm really

1664
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,160
interested to go watch the ugly
step sister cuz I think that

1665
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,680
might be a good pairing at that
point.

1666
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:03,960
But like the countertop sequence
made me like.

1667
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:08,160
So it was like such a hard watch
and that doesn't happen to me a

1668
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,440
lot.
Like I'm usually pretty good

1669
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:15,320
with pretty much everything and
this just like it hurt me and it

1670
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,320
just hurt to watch.
And to your point, like Laura,

1671
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:24,200
if I ever do like a like a
tournament style, like worst

1672
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:28,560
representative of mental health
professionals in horror movies,

1673
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,520
like Doctor Loomis is going to
be one of my #1 seeds.

1674
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,240
But another number one seed is
going to be Laura in this, I

1675
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:39,560
guess, a mental health
professional and how she abuses

1676
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:44,160
her position and had that
position of power to kind of

1677
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:48,960
manipulate events.
And yet it's hard to call her a

1678
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,520
villain and more of an
antagonist because I can

1679
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:56,200
empathize with all of the
choices she makes and why she

1680
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:57,880
would do this.
Like being a parent.

1681
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,760
This hits in a little bit
different way.

1682
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:05,800
And the things that like I'm
afraid of at age 50 are so much

1683
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,920
different from what I was afraid
of at age 30.

1684
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,400
So this one hit in a big way.
I think these guys are two for

1685
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,920
two.
But I, I agree with you, Ariel,

1686
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,040
like, I think talk to me got all
the hype and this one not so

1687
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,800
much.
This is the better of the two.

1688
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,640
I, I really love this.
I I think I want to revisit it

1689
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,520
again very, very soon.
Oh man, I didn't want to go last

1690
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:34,840
because I don't like this.
Oh, no, no, I mean, cuz I think

1691
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,680
we mentioned it earlier, like
kind of talking about, you know,

1692
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,880
the recurring, you know, grief
and trauma porn films.

1693
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,520
And unfortunately this kind of
felt like that for me cuz.

1694
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,280
And, and I don't know if maybe
if, if that is maybe just the

1695
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,760
fatigue talking cuz like this
isn't a bad movie.

1696
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,400
So I'm like, I wonder if like, I
don't know, five years ago I

1697
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,440
probably would have like been
more receptive to this.

1698
01:34:56,440 --> 01:34:59,760
But like, since we've gotten so
many of them, I was just kind of

1699
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,080
like, yeah, I was like, it sucks
when you lose somebody, I guess.

1700
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,120
Edit like, but like, but what
else?

1701
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:06,880
You know, the move.
And, you know, I felt like we

1702
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,520
were kind of going through the
motions a little bit.

1703
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,040
But I mean, house porn off the
charts.

1704
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,080
Love that.
Love the love the location.

1705
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:18,280
Sally Hawkins is styled like my
high school art teacher that I

1706
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,880
had a crush on.
And it makes sense, makes exact

1707
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,400
sense why Sally Hawkins looks
great in this film.

1708
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,400
And.
But yeah, unfortunately this one

1709
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:29,280
didn't do it for me.
OK, well, a movie that did do it

1710
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:33,040
for folks.
Brian, you're #3 last year we

1711
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:38,200
had Nosferatu, but this year I
think you're very happy with

1712
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,600
your most anticipated movie.
Yeah, this was my most

1713
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,720
anticipated movie, Guillermo del
Toro's Frankenstein.

1714
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:49,040
But as you said, I approached
this one with caution because

1715
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:54,040
last year a adaptation of a
classic monster broke my heart

1716
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,560
and I didn't want that to happen
again.

1717
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:01,440
So I went in pretty guarded to
this movie and I was taken in by

1718
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:03,240
it.
Pretty quickly, though, I

1719
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:07,080
understood what he was doing,
that we're not getting Mary

1720
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,120
Shelley's Frankenstein.
And that's one of the big

1721
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,920
criticisms of this movie is, oh,
it's not like the book.

1722
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,000
It's like, OK, there are over
100 adaptations of Frankenstein,

1723
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,800
and I've seen a lot of those,
OK.

1724
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:25,240
And if you want to watch a close
adaptation of the book, you

1725
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:29,200
know, watch the miniseries that
was on that Hallmark put out,

1726
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,680
it's OK.
It's not great.

1727
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:35,880
It's kind of boring.
This is not that to me.

1728
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,680
This was, I wanted to see what
Guillermo del Toro did with

1729
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,080
Frankenstein.
So he takes Mary Shelley as sort

1730
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:47,280
of like the base of the soup.
You know, it's the stock and

1731
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,000
then he throws in Universal,
then he throws in Hammer and he

1732
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,440
throws in all of his love for
all of these things and he lets

1733
01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:58,720
them simmer and Stew and come
out, you know, with his

1734
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,280
affection for monsters and how
he always he always let and you

1735
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:06,360
know, to a fault, he will flip
it so that the monster is the

1736
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:11,360
hero and the whoever's not the
the the human monster is the

1737
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,920
real monster.
You know, that's Shape of Water,

1738
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,640
Pan's Labyrinth, all that stuff.
It's all there, right.

1739
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:21,440
So I just thought that all the
little nods to especially

1740
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:25,240
Universal and Hammer are there.
I think they're lovely without

1741
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,160
being fan servicey.
I could have done without, you

1742
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,320
know, the characters saying
Victor, you're the monster.

1743
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,720
Well, duh, I mean, we know that,
but.

1744
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:39,040
That is a Netflix thing because
this is a Netflix movie and they

1745
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:43,760
anticipate people looking at
their phones and half watching

1746
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,240
the movie.
Like that was a problem I had is

1747
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,840
everything is so spelled out in
dialogue heavy well.

1748
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:54,200
Well, here's the thing.
I I would say that except that

1749
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,640
I, I've seen that criticism, but
he kind of did the same thing in

1750
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,360
Shape of Water.
So I I'm thinking that I don't

1751
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,640
know that that's really
necessarily a Netflix mandate,

1752
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:08,360
but it is sort of like the one
thing about the movie that

1753
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,480
sticks in my craw.
Overall, I I just was really

1754
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:15,200
fond of some of the different
kinds of approaches he made.

1755
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,200
You know, that that the monster
regenerates is kind of out of

1756
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,320
universal, which I thought was
pretty cool.

1757
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,960
And you can't.
And it sort of becomes

1758
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,240
indestructible, just.
Wait for you, amongst

1759
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,960
Frankenstein adaptations, like
you said, you've seen nearly 100

1760
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,920
of them.
It's in the it's in the it's

1761
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,640
it's up there.
It's it's a really good, well

1762
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,480
made picture.
I mean, for me, you it's hard to

1763
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:43,600
beat the top, which are, in my
opinion, are, you know,

1764
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,880
Frankenstein, bride of
Frankenstein, curse of

1765
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:49,320
Frankenstein from Hammer, you
know, Frankenstein created

1766
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,080
woman.
Those are all sort of S tier, I

1767
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:58,080
guess for me, but this is really
high as far as the sort of, I

1768
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,680
don't know how to say it, sort
of the period stylized

1769
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:04,040
adaptations go.
I like this so much better than

1770
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,760
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
This is, which is a movie that

1771
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,440
I, I've gone cold on over the
years, but I, I thought this was

1772
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:18,240
just really made with such love.
And there's just genuine

1773
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:22,400
affection for the material and
the material as a whole, not

1774
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,440
just as a, the source material,
The source material, You know,

1775
01:39:26,440 --> 01:39:30,560
Mary Shelley herself writes, you
know, let my hideous prodigy go

1776
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,840
off and, you know, do whatever
it does.

1777
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,680
And this has become Frankenstein
has become a myth.

1778
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,880
It is beyond one person's
telling at this point.

1779
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:44,760
It is been taken over by so many
imaginations as captured so many

1780
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,560
imaginations.
It's like, you know, we talk

1781
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:49,520
about Texas Chainsaw.
It's like they're telling the

1782
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,800
same story, but different people
are telling the story this time.

1783
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,720
You know, it's it's a little bit
like that where it's just a just

1784
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:05,120
and I didn't necessarily want an
exact adaptation of the novel.

1785
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:08,600
I wanted to see what Guillermo
de Taro would bring to this.

1786
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,400
And I think he did that and you
know, there.

1787
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,480
There are some flaws and there's
some quibbles I can make about

1788
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:18,800
the movie, but on the whole I
was just really taken by it.

1789
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,640
Devon and Arielle, you both had
this listed as well.

1790
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,960
So where does it stand for you?
Like Ari, where does it stand

1791
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,160
for you?
God, I just can't follow Brian.

1792
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:31,760
Yes, you.
Sure you can.

1793
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:33,960
No, I have nothing to add.
That was beautiful.

1794
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,960
I'm not a Frankenstein expert at
all.

1795
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:38,960
I've never seen Bride of
Frankenstein.

1796
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:43,680
I've I've only probably seen
James Wales Frankenstein before

1797
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,080
this, I think.
And so I was not bringing much

1798
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,320
to this movie other than I love
Guillermo del Toro and I want to

1799
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:54,200
see Monsters and it's pretty.
And so it gave me all of that

1800
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:59,160
and I had a great time with it.
Yep, that's that's me as a film.

1801
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:01,320
Pretty for you.
Fair enough.

1802
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,600
Fantastic.
Yeah, I really, I really dug

1803
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,400
this one, I think.
But the word that comes to mind

1804
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,400
for me for this film is
sentimental.

1805
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:15,320
And I feel like that might kind
of buck up against what some

1806
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,760
people might have expected from
this film.

1807
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,640
Again, like, I think some people
maybe wanted del Toro to kind of

1808
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:26,240
put, you know, a different type
of twist on it and stuff, and he

1809
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:27,520
kind of plays it.
This is.

1810
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:32,000
Yeah, it's a Netflix film and it
maybe is, you know, kind of most

1811
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,800
mainstream in a way.
But at the same time, like, I

1812
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,600
like him, even if he does take
that into account.

1813
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,720
I like how, you know, stripped
down, this is like, this is

1814
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,480
about, you know, it's about
light and dark.

1815
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:46,760
It's about good and evil, cold
and warmth.

1816
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,040
It's about, you know, he really
distills it down into this kind

1817
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:53,800
of simple form and, you know,
exploring it, you know, dividing

1818
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,680
the film using the structure of
Victor's tail and the creature's

1819
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,200
tail.
And I appreciate the way he

1820
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,320
brought to it.
I think it this is very much

1821
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,360
like what you would expect a Del
Toro Frankenstein movie to be.

1822
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,960
It is grand.
It's very operatic.

1823
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,320
I mean, I love Oscar Isaac's
take on Victor Frankenstein.

1824
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:15,000
I think playing it a little bit
more flamboyantly, but also a

1825
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:19,640
little bit more off putting, you
know, you know, to kind of put

1826
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:24,080
it and Lordy, I mean, is this
maybe one of the best recasts of

1827
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:25,800
the century?
Because don't get me wrong, I

1828
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,360
love my boy Andrew Garfield, but
lordy, like he really did

1829
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,280
something special with the
physicality that I think Doug

1830
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,160
Jones would be proud of.
I can definitely see him taking

1831
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,080
notes on Doug Jones's
performances.

1832
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:40,400
So I kind of keep that
consistency, you know, amongst

1833
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:44,200
El Toro's monsters and the way
he was very elegant and soft and

1834
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:47,000
tender, you know, and things
like that.

1835
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:50,400
I really enjoyed this film.
It was a very pleasant watch.

1836
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,880
Once again, like, as far as just
like watching it, like the 2 1/2

1837
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:57,280
hours flew by.
I was, I was, you know, just

1838
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,320
kind of there.
It was like, and I, I still

1839
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,680
haven't read the novel.
I will be doing that here soon.

1840
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,160
We're actually going to be doing
a month dedicated to

1841
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,960
Frankenstein adaptation.
So Brian, we will be speaking,

1842
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:15,400
we will be scheming.
So I will be actually reading

1843
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:19,120
the novel for the first time
here here soon because it is

1844
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:23,160
such a fascinating piece of work
that has been able to be so

1845
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:25,880
malleable and to tell so many
different stories.

1846
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:31,640
And I liked the kind of the the
how simple this one is like not

1847
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,240
I say simple, like not in a
drive toward like this is like

1848
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,240
fairly simple.
It's just like, hey, like this

1849
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:42,280
is the world will shape you and
like you know how you know what

1850
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:47,240
experiences you get to encounter
will always like kind of color

1851
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:51,000
who you are as a person.
I will say if you really liked

1852
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,240
the Creature's tail portion for
everything that it's doing,

1853
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,360
check out You Won't Be Alone
from like 2021.

1854
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:03,360
That was one of my favorites of
that year and gave me a kind of

1855
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:07,680
similar vibes of like kind of
quiet poeticness and like

1856
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,440
experiencing the world and like
it's harshness.

1857
01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:13,440
So if you like the Creature's
tale in particular, go check

1858
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:15,760
that movie out.
But I really liked Del Toro's

1859
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,880
take on Frankenstein.
So this didn't make my list.

1860
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,400
It's kind of in the middle of
the pack or a little bit like

1861
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:25,560
upper, like right at the tail
end of the upper third of the

1862
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:27,160
year.
And this, we talked earlier

1863
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,760
about movies being a three out
of five and then being good

1864
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,400
movies.
And that's where this hit for

1865
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,920
me.
Like there are parts of this

1866
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:39,120
movie that are like really lush
and gorgeous and the production

1867
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:42,520
design is amazing.
And I think Oscar Isaac is

1868
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:46,400
giving like a very fascinating
performance as Victor

1869
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,160
Frankenstein.
To me, this is the best that

1870
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:53,480
Christophe Waltz has been
outside of his collaborations

1871
01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:57,560
with Quentin Tarantino in a
character that's like, invented

1872
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,000
for this movie.
If I remember, I don't think

1873
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,480
there's a not really a Harlander
in the novel of any.

1874
01:45:03,480 --> 01:45:08,960
No, no, the it's sort of based I
think on loosely on 2

1875
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,040
characters, one from Curse of
Frankenstein and then Dr.

1876
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,360
Pretorius from Bride of
Frankenstein.

1877
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:18,000
Originally the character was
announced as being Doctor

1878
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,040
Pretorius, but then they changed
the name.

1879
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,360
They changed that, but I think
he's great here.

1880
01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:25,880
The movie really picks up when
it gets to the creatures tale.

1881
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,760
I think that's the better half
of the film.

1882
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:31,600
I think the first half it gets a
little bit.

1883
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,960
It's another, it's a story
about, like it really, both

1884
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,400
halves are about sons that
cannot measure up to their

1885
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,320
father's expectations.
And this does.

1886
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,880
I think what every good
Frankenstein movie does is that

1887
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,520
it has Victor create life
without asking like, well, what

1888
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,120
was the point?
Like once he creates it, he

1889
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:54,280
abdicates all responsibility,
which is a theme throughout the

1890
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:57,760
better Frankenstein movie.
He's like, great, I created

1891
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,520
this.
Oh, I have to raise him.

1892
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,440
And then things go horrible from
there.

1893
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:06,120
There were also times, and like
watching this, that one thing

1894
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,480
with del Toro was obviously he
has a lot of affection for his

1895
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:11,960
monsters.
And it's almost to the point

1896
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:16,320
where a big change they make
from the novel is that the

1897
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:21,360
monster, the creature is not who
brings about Elizabeth's demise.

1898
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:25,480
It's Victor through an accident.
And that's to me honestly didn't

1899
01:46:25,480 --> 01:46:28,800
sit right because it's almost
like Detour doesn't want to have

1900
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,800
his monster have any flaws
whatsoever.

1901
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:36,600
Go say I thought that watching
Illordi is the creature in Goth

1902
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,280
is Elizabeth.
I'm like, oh, they're going to

1903
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:40,160
fuck.
Like this is going to be like

1904
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:44,800
the Fishman fucking in Part 2
because she was bringing big

1905
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,200
like doobie eyes to her
performance here.

1906
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:51,080
And I'm like, I do not want to,
I do want to see this, but I

1907
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,720
don't want to see this at the
same time.

1908
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,960
But it was solid.
I'll probably revisit it.

1909
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,360
I did think parts of it look
cheap.

1910
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:02,640
The Arctic scene in particular,
Like I watched that right around

1911
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,240
the time we covered Alien versus
Predator.

1912
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,120
And I made a note.
I'm like the set piece from AVP

1913
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:13,320
looks better than this does.
And that wasn't constant

1914
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,600
throughout the whole movie.
Like, there are other parts that

1915
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,960
look amazing, but I thought the
Arctic said, I'm like, this is

1916
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,240
not good.
But yeah, it's a three out of

1917
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:23,720
five for me.
It's not.

1918
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:27,240
It's good, but it's not like my
favorite.

1919
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,160
I wish I liked it.
More.

1920
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:30,360
That's fair.
That's fair.

1921
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:31,160
I wish I.
Liked it more.

1922
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:36,560
All right, Devon.
So we don't have a Nosferatu no

1923
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:38,560
segment here.
We're not going to be doing

1924
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:42,520
battle over it so.
Nope, you're out voted 3 to one

1925
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,920
baby.
That's All right, and that's OK.

1926
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:46,680
Like, look, that's, that's what
we do here.

1927
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,280
You know, like we all, all of us
love movies and all of us have

1928
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:52,200
different takes.
And I think of all four of us

1929
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:54,800
had the same take on every
movie.

1930
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:56,520
Like it would be a very boring
show.

1931
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,880
Devon, you're #3?
Well, hey, we have similar takes

1932
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,480
on this movie because we all
have it on our list.

1933
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:09,800
It is 28 Years Later, directed
by Danny Boyle, the third film

1934
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:15,080
in the 28 Blank Later franchise.
There needs to be a smoother

1935
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:16,440
title.
Guys, help us out.

1936
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,280
We were, we were talking about
that on Spectre Cinema that this

1937
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:24,720
franchise needs a better title.
But this, you guys heard it

1938
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:27,880
whenever I was on some of the
Romero episodes or the couple

1939
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:30,080
that I was on because I don't
like zombie movies.

1940
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:36,960
I it's not my sub genre, not my
monster, but I do enjoy Boyle's

1941
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,760
films even though are these
zombies?

1942
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:41,680
Do we have time to litigate that
today?

1943
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:44,320
No, we don't.
But they're not zombies anyways.

1944
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,680
But this film?
Boyle said that they were, so

1945
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,520
they officially are.
I I feel like he just like gave

1946
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,200
up and was just like, yeah, sure
guys, but that's just me.

1947
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:53,800
That's.
Not Danny Boyle.

1948
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,280
Danny Boyle's not going to just
give up.

1949
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:59,840
But I do enjoy this film a lot
because I was not expecting it

1950
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,800
to be as tender as it is.
Another kind of coming of age

1951
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,480
story split in half for this
film.

1952
01:49:05,480 --> 01:49:09,080
It's, you know, the lessons that
a young, young boy learns about

1953
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:12,240
the world through his dad's eyes
and then what he learns about

1954
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:15,600
the world through his mom's eyes
amongst this zombie apocalypse.

1955
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,080
And so I've really enjoyed the
structure.

1956
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:22,160
The cast is fantastic.
Jody Comer doing some really

1957
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,640
great work in the second-half,
Aaron Taylor Johnson, Ray Finds,

1958
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,000
and the kid who I thought was
the kid from JoJo Rabbit.

1959
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,960
It's not, but this kid is really
good.

1960
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:33,200
What's his name?
Alfie.

1961
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:36,560
Something I didn't have my
letter boxed up, but just a lot

1962
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:41,200
of really great performances and
a great continuation of what the

1963
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:45,160
28 franchise has been doing.
And again, you know, kind of

1964
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:47,760
further expanding, you know,
like, even though I joke about

1965
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,440
like, are these zombies?
Are they not?

1966
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:52,080
But this is also about like, you
know, just like getting back

1967
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,840
into what does it mean to be a
human?

1968
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:57,840
Like about humanity?
Like where do you start to lose

1969
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,400
your humanity?
How much do you retain of it

1970
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,360
yourself?
And, you know, these kind of

1971
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:06,360
questions as the world kind of
changes around you and becomes

1972
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,040
harsh and scary and, you know,
these things.

1973
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,640
So I think this film is asking a
lot of questions.

1974
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,800
I was not expecting to cry in
this film, but we all know the

1975
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,680
scene.
I think, you know, that really

1976
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,680
kind of hits an emotional high
point.

1977
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:24,360
And I even saw like, that's kind
of where it loses some people,

1978
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:29,120
where they're like, Oh, no, get
these feels out of my 28 Years

1979
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:32,480
Later movie.
And it's like, no, I thought it

1980
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:34,560
was beautiful.
I thought it was gorgeous to

1981
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:38,880
kind of have that amongst this
very bleak and harsh and cold

1982
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:42,840
movie.
So yeah, I think this film did a

1983
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,440
lot of really great stuff.
I'm all in for Bone Temple here

1984
01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:48,040
in a couple of weeks.
I'm stoked.

1985
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:50,440
The streets are saying it's
good.

1986
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,560
So 28 Years Later, what a film
and.

1987
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,320
We're always rooting for NIA
Dacosta, who brought us a great

1988
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:02,160
Candyman reimagining before
getting swallowed up by Marvel,

1989
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,240
and thankfully she's back to
doing what she does best.

1990
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,760
But Ari, you also had this rated
very high as well.

1991
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,360
What were your thoughts?
Yes, this movie blew me away.

1992
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,400
Loved it more than I thought I
would because I'm also not a big

1993
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,440
zombie fan.
But I agree with everything that

1994
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:20,080
Devon said.
I'll add that this movie stirred

1995
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:24,040
a lot of COVID feelings in me.
So I'm one of those people who

1996
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:28,360
still has a lot of COVID
feelings and like, leftover crap

1997
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,480
that I'm working through from
lockdown and that.

1998
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:35,440
So I wrote an article for MC
Cobb Daily about like the

1999
01:51:36,440 --> 01:51:40,840
parallels in 28 Years Later to
like where we are right now

2000
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:44,160
after lockdowns and where we're
at with COVID and everything.

2001
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:47,120
So you can check that out.
But I, that's what really moved

2002
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:50,920
me in this movie was how
surprised I was for, for all

2003
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:52,760
that stirred up.
So, yeah, well done.

2004
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:54,240
Can't wait for Bone Temple.
Yeah.

2005
01:51:56,120 --> 01:52:00,760
I kind of love how divisive this
movie is because I think I have

2006
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:06,000
come to the opinion that truly
great movies are divisive and I

2007
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:11,320
think this is a good example.
Was took my son to see

2008
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:14,000
something, I can't even remember
what it was.

2009
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,240
And the trailer for Bone Temple
came on and the people in front

2010
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:19,960
of us went that last one.
What a terrible sequel.

2011
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:25,160
What an awful movie and that I'm
sort of hearing that, you know,

2012
01:52:25,480 --> 01:52:28,800
scuttlebutt from sort of the
normies out there.

2013
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:33,360
They just hated this take.
And I'm like, I thought it was

2014
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,880
just a brilliant.
And like you said, Devaughn, the

2015
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:40,680
feels, the emotions is what
makes it is what really elevates

2016
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:45,280
it to something that is more
than just a infection movie,

2017
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:48,920
zombie movie, whatever.
And that's kind of true of the

2018
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:50,440
original too.
It's there.

2019
01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:58,320
I mean, it's in that one too.
So I just found this one to be a

2020
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,120
surprise because I'm not all in
on this franchise.

2021
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:05,200
I'm really not.
But I really dug this and I

2022
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:11,240
can't wait for the next one.
And hey, I I'm glad that they

2023
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,240
were gutsy enough to all that
nudity.

2024
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,960
I mean, around our house.
We call this movie 28 Inches

2025
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,080
Later.
Yeah.

2026
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:23,760
But I thought that's that's
pretty gutsy.

2027
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:28,440
Or should I say ballsy?
Bumped a show Don can I

2028
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:31,840
appreciate.
So I just, I thought this was

2029
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,520
terrific.
I'm really excited to see where

2030
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:37,440
they take this.
And just, it looks like we get

2031
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:42,040
more of, of Ray Fiennes, which I
think is just one of the real

2032
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:45,800
highlights of this film as well.
I talked about this one before.

2033
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,600
Obviously, though, my, I had
technical difficulties, so I

2034
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:52,760
dropped out of the episode.
But yeah, this, this was a real,

2035
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:55,640
real good one.
This I'm I'm going through my

2036
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,640
list and if there's a theme that
runs throughout a lot of my

2037
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:02,120
list, it's really like the
pitfalls and perils of

2038
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:04,120
fatherhood.
Looking at the monkeys,

2039
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:08,240
Frankenstein and this one as
well.

2040
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:12,200
Like how even to a certain
extent, like the Long walk, like

2041
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:18,080
how fraught fatherhood can be
and like how easy it is to make

2042
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:21,760
mistakes as a dad, which you
think you're doing in the best

2043
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:25,720
interest for your child, but
really are often done for like

2044
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:27,800
selfish reasons.
And I think this is a really

2045
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,960
good example of it here.
That's one of the things I took

2046
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:34,120
away.
It's a terrific Brexit film as

2047
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:36,000
well.
It's a movie then, you know,

2048
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:41,800
like not too not too many years
after the UK leaves the European

2049
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,560
Union, like kind of looking at
that isolation and like looking

2050
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:49,880
at like an empire in like a real
steady decline in reckoning with

2051
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:54,960
their status now is like true
outsiders and cultural identity

2052
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,080
is like a theme that runs
throughout this one.

2053
01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:00,360
So I really love this.
I can understand, like Hughes

2054
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:02,200
Bryant said, the normies that
thinker.

2055
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:06,600
They're going in for like a
straight up horror movie and

2056
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,320
then getting something that is
so much more than that.

2057
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:13,480
It's so rich in its themes.
It's so it really contemplates

2058
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:17,600
on like what it means to not
just be a parent, but also be a

2059
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:21,560
child that is reckoning with
seeing their mom and dad as real

2060
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,920
humans.
It's really wonderful in that

2061
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,600
regard.
But then it has some like great

2062
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,960
moments of gore and gristle.
So I'm very, I think they've

2063
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,120
already announced that the third
one is going to be done.

2064
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:36,960
I think Boyle and Garland are
coming back for that one.

2065
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:42,880
So it'll be fascinating to see
how the next two movies play

2066
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,760
out.
I I am definitely on board.

2067
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:48,600
I'm looking forward to the Bone
Temple, and let's move on from

2068
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,760
there.
Brian, you're #2 this is a

2069
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,400
shock.
This was a shocker to me.

2070
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,560
Now that is that this high on
the list is maybe a little bit

2071
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:00,960
of recency bias, but.
Are you being a little cheeky?

2072
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:05,760
A little cheeky.
I was shocked by how much I

2073
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:10,640
liked Silent Night, Deadly
Night, because I don't like that

2074
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:15,280
franchise.
I just, I like Part 2 as sort of

2075
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:20,080
a, a weird sort of ironic love
for it that I can't explain.

2076
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:22,600
I don't like the original very
much at all.

2077
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:26,280
I think it's really gross.
I just gives me the worst

2078
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:28,880
feeling in the world.
Some of the others are OK, but

2079
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,720
this one was a real surprise.
And yeah, it's, it's sort of

2080
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:35,640
like the Black Phone 2.
It's playing with other movies,

2081
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:40,120
you know, it has some influences
coming in from other places, but

2082
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:44,880
I think the way it integrated
those things was was surprising

2083
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,680
and fun.
Sort of the twists and turns

2084
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:51,680
along the way as to at first I
was like, oh, this is like Henry

2085
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:53,840
portrait of a serial killer.
Yeah.

2086
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:57,000
And then it and there are
actually then it goes.

2087
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,760
Lifted directly from Henry, you
see that?

2088
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:03,000
Here, absolutely, yeah.
So it starts out you're thinking

2089
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:07,000
you're watching like a hen like
Henry, and then it goes in sort

2090
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,680
of this more fun directions.
Then it goes in sort of other

2091
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:11,440
directions.
I don't even want to say the

2092
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,800
names of the movies because I
feel like it might spoil

2093
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:18,400
something, but there's another
movie in particular that I was

2094
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:22,560
like, Oh my God, they really
went there and I and I loved

2095
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:24,880
that.
But yeah, to it.

2096
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:26,200
It's star.
Let's see here.

2097
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:30,760
Let me back up a little bit.
So this stars Roane Campbell,

2098
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:33,840
everyone's favorite from
Halloween Ends.

2099
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,520
It's our boy.
Boo Boo.

2100
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:39,520
Cory words that rhyme with
Corey.

2101
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:41,920
Yeah, so, but he's great in
this.

2102
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:45,240
He's really good.
And that the the shot, the

2103
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:49,080
probably the most shocking thing
about this is that it's a really

2104
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:52,720
well made movie.
It looks good.

2105
01:57:52,720 --> 01:57:55,440
It's it's got a good structure
to it.

2106
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:59,480
It's well performed for it being
made for clearly nothing.

2107
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:03,000
I mean, movies like this just
don't get made for a lot of

2108
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,440
money.
It looks it looks great and it's

2109
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:09,360
really well done.
It's kind of smart in a

2110
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,320
surprising way that I didn't
expect.

2111
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:15,720
And I just had more fun than I
ever would have expected with a

2112
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:19,680
silent night deadly night movie.
And it had drops in little fun

2113
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,600
things from other Christmas
movies, other Silent Night,

2114
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:27,680
Deadly Night movies.
Yeah, no one was as surprised as

2115
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:33,040
me that this ended up not only
on my list, but at #2 on my.

2116
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:37,880
I, I went to see this based on
you Brian saying in the slack

2117
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:41,440
how much you enjoyed this and it
made my top ten as well.

2118
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:45,720
Like I was stunned with how good
this movie is and I had the

2119
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:50,120
choice of either seeing this or
driving an hour further to see

2120
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:53,080
Eyes Wide Shut on the big screen
later in the day.

2121
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:57,080
I chose this, which to be fair I
had to work the next day.

2122
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,760
It would not have gotten it
until 1:00 in the morning and

2123
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:03,360
I'm so glad I caught this.
My I was going to skip it

2124
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:07,120
because my thought is like why
do we need this when Terror fire

2125
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:11,360
3 exists Like just the 1st 20
minutes of terror fire three are

2126
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,960
like the best remake of silent
night Deadly night I thought you

2127
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,480
could get and this is so much
fun.

2128
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,840
It's a weird year if this is a
good pairing, say with hard eyes

2129
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:25,160
2 movies that I think like meld
horror movies and romantic

2130
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:29,360
comedies and really smart ways
that don't shit on either

2131
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,680
because this does feel a little
bit like at times like a

2132
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:37,600
Hallmark Christmas movie.
And it's and I think the

2133
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:41,880
chemistry with Rohan Campbell
and then Ruby Modine, Matthew

2134
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:44,320
Modine's daughter is off the
charts.

2135
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:47,720
Like they're so good together
and like what it does with her

2136
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:51,200
characters of Pamela is it's
really fantastic.

2137
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:56,080
I just found this one so
enjoyable and I'm just trying to

2138
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,520
go quickly through my review
here.

2139
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,680
What's that?
It's Mike T Nelson who gave us

2140
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:07,200
the Wrong Turn reboot.
He has become someone who is

2141
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:10,840
able to take these kind of
schlocky but kind of well liked

2142
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:15,360
series from yesteryear and make
them so like when he does a

2143
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:19,080
remake you still recognize it.
Like it's very much mirrors the

2144
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:21,880
story of Billy from the first
film.

2145
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:25,960
But Nelson does completely his
own thing with it, like he does

2146
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:29,280
with the Wrong Turn film and
like I'm interested and I know

2147
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:34,120
he might be up for the Friday
the 13th reboot that is coming

2148
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:38,440
up and I am fascinated to see
what he'll come up with for it.

2149
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,680
Great practical effects, which
is fantastic in here.

2150
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:45,520
There's a mid movie set piece
that and like we talked about

2151
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:49,240
fascism earlier, I don't want to
spoil it because I want people

2152
02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:54,080
to see it on its own, but I just
laughed so hard in the theater.

2153
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,880
Well, and where it goes, it's so
good.

2154
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:02,800
I think I think Syniverse posted
on YouTube something like 48

2155
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,360
hour video of just that scene
playing over and over.

2156
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:08,800
Oh my goodness, that is great.
And it's really what we need,

2157
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:13,800
what we need right now.
So I this really like deserved a

2158
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,600
much better fate than he got at
the box office.

2159
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:20,160
And I do hope that it, you know,
I hope it finds its home on

2160
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,440
streaming.
Like this is going to get added

2161
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:26,760
along with films like Bad Santa,
The Muppet Christmas Carol,

2162
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:31,600
Gremlins, A Wonderful Life and
the first two Home Alone movies.

2163
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:35,080
Like that's my rotation of every
year I watched in A Christmas

2164
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,200
Story.
Every year I watch those

2165
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:40,080
Christmas movies.
Like, this is going to get added

2166
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:42,400
to that list.
I really enjoyed this.

2167
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:46,400
Yeah, Ari, this is definitely a
video of millennial nasty as

2168
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:47,760
well.
Like this is something you would

2169
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:50,520
really dig I think.
I wish I could have seen it.

2170
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:54,360
It like either didn't come to
theaters near me or it was in

2171
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:58,320
him for like a day so I'm
annoyed I haven't seen it.

2172
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,840
Yeah, this, this is very, in my
opinion, it's very REO coded

2173
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:04,480
movie.
That's great news.

2174
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:06,520
I can't wait to watch it at some
point.

2175
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:07,560
It's.
So funny.

2176
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:09,960
It's just parts of it are just
so fucking funny.

2177
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:15,040
All right, should we move on?
Well, I was just going to say my

2178
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:17,440
number 2 is sinners, but we're
not going to talk about that

2179
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:18,640
yet.
You're going to hold off on that

2180
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:19,360
one.
My bad.

2181
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:25,560
Devon, you're #2?
Yeah, my #2 which a lot of a lot

2182
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:29,280
of festival goers were cheating
last year were put on their list

2183
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:32,160
last year technically didn't get
released till January of this

2184
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:33,960
year.
So kind of one of those weird on

2185
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,440
the cusp ones.
But this is a dead talent

2186
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:40,800
society at this has held down
the number two spot for me all

2187
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:42,840
year.
Directed by John Sue.

2188
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:46,040
And this was again, it was like
a festival hit a lot of people

2189
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:48,600
talk about but then just never
got any distribution.

2190
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:52,880
Netflix eventually picked it up
and then they just said they

2191
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:56,840
didn't like put it up on there
trending their new releases.

2192
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:59,000
No nothing.
It just like kind of showed up

2193
02:02:59,120 --> 02:03:02,120
on Netflix and they there was no
kind of roll out or anything for

2194
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:05,200
it unfortunately, which is a
bummer cuz this is such an

2195
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:07,680
original crowd pleasing type of
movie.

2196
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:11,400
Very much has a Beetlejuice
esque type of thing to it, but

2197
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:14,080
with a social media kind of
slant to it as well.

2198
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:17,400
But where this gal that she has
leads a life.

2199
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:21,480
She has no friends, no
aspirations and a lot of tragedy

2200
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:25,040
to her life and she passes away.
But in this world, when you pass

2201
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:28,680
away, you can become to be
remembered by people.

2202
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:32,200
You can become like a scare
artist essentially where you are

2203
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:38,320
trying to boost your boost your,
your myth, urban legend clout by

2204
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,680
how scary you are.
And people like come up with

2205
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:44,200
their signature scare and their
signature story and everything.

2206
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:49,040
And she assembles a crew of an
old star, a guy looking at

2207
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,880
redemption, who's like kind of
like her manager and other

2208
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:54,680
people that they meet along the
way, forming this cute little

2209
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:59,680
found family as they try to
coach the rookie into being a

2210
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:01,520
ghost worthy of being
remembered.

2211
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:05,760
And it's a it's just this is my
wholesome horror pick because I

2212
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:09,880
remember last year I had a
humanist vampire seeking,

2213
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,920
consenting suicidal person.
This is my wholesome horror pick

2214
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:17,680
that's a great double feature
together as well as a film that

2215
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:20,560
will make it feel good.
But also just thought it was so

2216
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:23,080
clever in the world building of
everything.

2217
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,720
I think it again very
Beetlejuice esque but at the

2218
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:28,880
same time very much it's own
thing.

2219
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:34,320
Just say a super fantastic film.
Shout out Chen Bolan as Makoto,

2220
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:38,960
he is one of my nominees of
2025.

2221
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:40,640
Horror.
Good boy of the year.

2222
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:42,960
Just a perfect man that does
nothing wrong.

2223
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:45,640
As here for all the ladies and
lifting them up.

2224
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:48,920
Great character and he's such a
cutie too with this fake

2225
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:51,320
mustache.
So yeah, love dead tout society.

2226
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:55,960
Check it out.
This is just outside my top ten,

2227
02:04:55,960 --> 02:05:00,520
and honestly, I probably could
flip flop this in my actual #10

2228
02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:02,800
this was my favorite movie at
Fantastic Fest.

2229
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:05,440
I won't say my I think you put
it really well, Devon.

2230
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,040
It's a very sweet movie.
It's really funny.

2231
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:10,920
It actually made me quite
tearful by the end of it.

2232
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:14,840
And it kind of reminds.
Me of all of you guys like a lot

2233
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:19,560
of it is about the friends and
the family that you make as you

2234
02:05:19,560 --> 02:05:23,120
kind of go through life and how
they pick you up and how they

2235
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:26,440
support one another.
And look, I've made no secret

2236
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:28,440
like I love each of you guys
like you make.

2237
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:30,760
This is my favorite part of
every week.

2238
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:34,840
Just about is like doing the
show with all of you as well as

2239
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:37,280
Steven and Nicole as well.
I can.

2240
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:41,160
It reminded me of that in this
way as well.

2241
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:44,520
So great pick, and it really
deserved a much better faith

2242
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:50,720
than getting dumped on Netflix.
So dead Talent society, my #2

2243
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,160
it's much different.
It is weapons, weapons, the.

2244
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:57,840
This has been my #2 since the
day it came out, and there were

2245
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:02,920
times when I was really tempted
to move it into my number one

2246
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:05,160
slot.
I've watched this about four

2247
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:08,200
times this year.
I've seen it more than any other

2248
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:12,440
film like Christmas Night.
I introduced it to my wife which

2249
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:15,920
she dug it as well.
Craiger has the juice like this

2250
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,240
and Barbarian.
I am just on board with

2251
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:20,920
everything he does.
I love the way this plays out.

2252
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:25,200
It's kind of like a really gory
fucked up Rashomon in terms of

2253
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:29,040
like how you get similar events
from different perspectives all

2254
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,560
throughout.
This really is one for the

2255
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:35,840
sickos.
It has like the best climactic

2256
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:38,280
scene in any film I've watched
this year.

2257
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:43,040
Amy Madigan is probably going to
get nominated for an Oscar, I

2258
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:44,480
think.
I think you're going to see,

2259
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,760
like you mentioned earlier, the
casting award.

2260
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:50,320
I could easily see this.
This was also a smash hit.

2261
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,200
Like this is one of those things
were like horror just coming to

2262
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:56,240
the rescue of the box office
over and over again.

2263
02:06:56,520 --> 02:07:01,000
Like unpopular opinion is like
Alex's dad deserves everything

2264
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:05,280
he gets because he keeps
referring to his son Alex's X

2265
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:07,480
man.
And I think as soon as you start

2266
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:11,000
doing that, like you just
deserve every shitty thing that

2267
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:15,400
happens to you.
Going into this having no idea

2268
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:19,880
where this was going and then
like watching unfurl and

2269
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:23,120
watching it play out.
And good for Julia Garner

2270
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:26,720
because prior to this, she had a
kind of a tough year with like

2271
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:30,120
the wolf man, wolf, wolf.
You mean the oof man?

2272
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:35,560
Yeah, the doof man.
Just not a good really like one

2273
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,640
of the rare missteps from Lee
Waddle.

2274
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:42,360
She's terrific here in the role
of Justine.

2275
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:44,920
She's incredible.
Brolin is fantastic.

2276
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:47,880
Is again like another movie
where finally though you have a

2277
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:50,360
dad that kind of goes the extra
mile.

2278
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:54,000
Although I do love at the end
how he just picks up his kid and

2279
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:57,240
walks away from all the others
that are stranded there.

2280
02:07:57,240 --> 02:07:59,520
It's like I got mine.
And I think like, if there's any

2281
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:04,840
message to 2025, but God, I
fucking love this movie so much.

2282
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:08,880
And just like, it's not the
goriest thing ever, but the

2283
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:13,160
moments that hit are so intense
and it's funny.

2284
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:18,480
Justice for James, everyone's
favorite kind of ne'er do Well,

2285
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,720
just scamp wandering the
streets.

2286
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:25,120
I'm probably going to go and
watch this one more time before

2287
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:27,000
the year and I love it that
much.

2288
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:30,520
What are you all say?
Because this made at least one

2289
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:34,080
other list I believe, and I.
Think from my list.

2290
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:36,360
OK.
What were your thoughts, Devon?

2291
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:38,360
I'll keep it short and sweet
because I've talked about

2292
02:08:38,360 --> 02:08:41,480
weapons enough this year.
I did a whole episode on it.

2293
02:08:41,480 --> 02:08:44,800
I saw it three times, including
me and Gary got to see a red

2294
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:48,440
carpet premiere and it had like
a whole interactive experience

2295
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:51,560
with like kids with their heads
down at desks and stuff on the

2296
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:55,640
red carpet and the, the parents
watching the TV with the static

2297
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:57,240
and stuff.
Like had like a whole like

2298
02:08:57,240 --> 02:08:59,280
walkthrough thing.
It was, it was super fun.

2299
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:03,160
And yeah, I've watched this with
my family as well.

2300
02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:06,280
It's like a fun movie to watch
people watch, you know, kind of

2301
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:08,920
one of those things.
And I'll say because I like this

2302
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,760
more than Barbarian.
I think this has more rewatch

2303
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,320
ability and kind of lasting
power than Barbarian does.

2304
02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:18,280
And it's and it's more, I don't
know, it's a it's a very solid,

2305
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:21,000
sturdy film.
We talked about this being a hot

2306
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:22,760
year for Stephen King
adaptations.

2307
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:26,160
And even though this isn't a
Stephen King adaptation, if you

2308
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:29,880
told somebody it was, I would,
yeah, I'd be like, yeah,

2309
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:31,360
totally.
I didn't read that one, but

2310
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:32,800
yeah, totally.
Weapons, you know.

2311
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:35,120
And yeah, I think the cast is
really great.

2312
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:37,440
Solid.
There's some solid set pieces in

2313
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:40,160
this as well.
I love the unexplained lore and

2314
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:42,800
witchcraft and stuff.
Good times.

2315
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:45,600
My one of my things.
So you know how they were talk

2316
02:09:45,600 --> 02:09:47,280
about American Psycho being
remade.

2317
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:52,720
I hope it doesn't, but if it has
to happen, do not cast Jacob

2318
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:55,400
Allordy though I loved him and
Frankenstein but that's too

2319
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:56,520
obvious.
Don't do that.

2320
02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:01,160
Cast Austin Abrams as a tech bro
version of Patrick Bateman.

2321
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:04,400
Give it a little bit different
flavor cuz Austin Abrams, he's

2322
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:05,520
good.
He's a fun time.

2323
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:09,560
So if anything, I was happy that
people were, you know, shouting

2324
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:12,600
him out for his performance in
this, as well as just bringing

2325
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:15,760
some manic energy because I
think he's a very talented

2326
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:17,240
actor.
So there we go.

2327
02:10:17,240 --> 02:10:20,760
Austin Abrams for Patrick
Bateman is my weapons tape.

2328
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:25,880
Yeah, Ari, you had this as well.
Yeah, nothing much to add.

2329
02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:29,760
It was a fun cinema experience.
I've only seen it once.

2330
02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:33,920
I'm a little bit worried about
rewatching it if that'll lower

2331
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:36,600
it in my eyes, so I've been
avoiding doing that, but it was

2332
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:39,800
really fun to watch going into
it with very little knowledge.

2333
02:10:40,280 --> 02:10:42,720
Is there what would make it
lower in your eyes?

2334
02:10:42,920 --> 02:10:45,760
Because I found like see the
second time watching it,

2335
02:10:46,160 --> 02:10:49,240
watching some of the layers peel
back, I got a greater

2336
02:10:49,240 --> 02:10:51,760
appreciation for it.
Why do you think it might lower?

2337
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:57,200
Yeah, a lot of my enjoyment came
from the reveals and I don't

2338
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:59,120
know if they'll hit as hard the
second time.

2339
02:10:59,480 --> 02:11:02,840
See, that's me with barbarian
and like that, that's my 1:00

2340
02:11:02,840 --> 02:11:05,520
because like I'm I'm not really
a barbarian fan and I'm like

2341
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:07,960
upon rewatch, I kind of get
nothing out of it.

2342
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:10,640
I'll say for this one, like
because I appreciate it.

2343
02:11:10,640 --> 02:11:12,880
Like with the stitching of the
different perspectives.

2344
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:16,400
You like just appreciate like
the commitment that they had for

2345
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,640
like the continuity and the
things like that.

2346
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:22,520
And like to see little
background like deep bits like

2347
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:25,880
kind of the happening.
So I think it so for your fear,

2348
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:27,760
because that's what I have for
barbarian.

2349
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:29,640
I don't have that here with
weapons.

2350
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:33,640
It's a really small moment in
this at the beginning where as a

2351
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:37,520
former school counselor, I
chuckled a lot where like the

2352
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:41,880
school counselor has to lead
this assembly and he's in so

2353
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:43,120
far.
I mean, like, how do you even

2354
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:46,680
leave an assembly about like,
hey, all your kids have just

2355
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:49,120
disappeared and no one knows
where they are.

2356
02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:53,840
And he's like, we have to allow
our emotions some space and not

2357
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,120
judge them.
And I'm like, oh, my goodness, I

2358
02:11:56,120 --> 02:12:00,120
felt for him so, so much because
what a thankless role.

2359
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:03,760
And then when Josh Brolin's
Archers, like, pardon me, but I

2360
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:06,480
don't really want to hear
anything you have to say.

2361
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:09,680
And I've been like, I've been
there, Mr. School Counselor, on

2362
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:11,920
that stage.
I feel you right now.

2363
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:16,120
But I also don't blame Archer
for saying that, Brian.

2364
02:12:16,120 --> 02:12:19,680
I get the feeling this was the
movie that moved down your list

2365
02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:21,720
in your estimation as the year
went on.

2366
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:24,920
It is now The thing is.
That's why you're wrong about

2367
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:26,240
that.
Yeah, I know.

2368
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:28,880
I am.
And here's the thing though, I I

2369
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:31,920
really enjoyed it when I first
saw it, I thought like Ari was

2370
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,240
saying, that the surprises, the
reveals really worked for me

2371
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:38,960
overall.
Maybe the final reveal, not as

2372
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:42,240
much, but you know, but here's
the thing.

2373
02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:45,560
I this was the movie where I was
like, I'm going to rewatch this.

2374
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:48,800
I'm going to rewatch bring her
back and I just wasn't this.

2375
02:12:48,880 --> 02:12:51,880
It's not it's very well made.
I all of that.

2376
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:56,120
I there's just something about
it that is not working for me on

2377
02:12:56,120 --> 02:12:59,240
rewatch.
I try I've I've tried rewatching

2378
02:12:59,240 --> 02:13:01,960
it like two or three times and I
just can't get into it.

2379
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:05,760
I don't know why that is.
Is it too many characters

2380
02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:09,120
because it like how the the
ensemble being a little too

2381
02:13:09,120 --> 02:13:11,840
spread thin?
The poster behind me is

2382
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:17,000
Magnolia, which this movie was
inspired by in some ways and

2383
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:21,040
that's my favorite movie.
I so I rewatched Nashville this

2384
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:22,120
year.
OK, so.

2385
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:25,240
You know, I mean, so that's not
that's not the issue.

2386
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:29,440
I think you know, Rashomon, like
you said, is one of my favorite

2387
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:34,040
movies too, but I can't put my
finger on it exactly why it's

2388
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:39,160
not working for me on rewatch.
But it just hasn't.

2389
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,160
And I, I don't, I don't know why
that's OK.

2390
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,200
I.
And that's fair.

2391
02:13:43,200 --> 02:13:45,760
Like that is a totally fair
perspective.

2392
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:49,080
Yeah, So I, I don't know.
I mean, that I could stumble

2393
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:52,400
over my words for 10 minutes and
try and figure it out, but I

2394
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:54,880
don't think that's a good use of
our time.

2395
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:58,560
So yeah.
Well no worries let's I've done

2396
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:00,840
enough stumbling for all of us
so it's OK.

2397
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:07,560
Well that brings us to our
number one movies of the year

2398
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:15,000
and Arielle, a movie you tried
to leave list 10 times in your

2399
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:17,600
in a movie that I have not even
heard of.

2400
02:14:18,760 --> 02:14:21,000
Yes, so.
Give us your number one.

2401
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:24,960
Wrench in the gears messing up
us all having the same picture

2402
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:30,520
#1 often that's Devon and so.
I know I was like, I'm pleased.

2403
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:33,400
I was like, hey, I love you
channeling it.

2404
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:35,560
I love this energy for you going
into the new year.

2405
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:39,560
The this movie is the whole
reason I wanted to do this

2406
02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:41,120
episode.
I mean, I love hanging out with

2407
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:44,000
you guys, Chad and top 10s, but
I didn't feel super strongly

2408
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:47,040
about horror this year in movies
that came out this year.

2409
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:49,640
So I was kind of like I could
take it or leave doing a top ten

2410
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:55,000
except I need to tell everybody
about the Dutch horror film meat

2411
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:59,160
kills.
So, directed by Martin Smith's,

2412
02:14:59,600 --> 02:15:03,560
it's made its world premiere at
Fantastic Fest, and I was lucky

2413
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:09,120
enough to be there.
It is a Dutch movie about some

2414
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:13,680
hardcore vegan animal activists
who break into a pig farm to try

2415
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:17,680
to liberate the pigs and the
things that go wrong from there.

2416
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:22,640
And this movie to me is the best
evidence that I'm in a

2417
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:26,440
simulation and I'm actually the
main character because this

2418
02:15:26,440 --> 02:15:30,720
movie feels so 100% made exactly
for me.

2419
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:33,600
Like you know the Jinji Ito meme
where they're like, this is my

2420
02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:36,480
whole it was made for me.
Like this is me watching this

2421
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:39,880
movie as a vegan who loves
thousands horror.

2422
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,480
This is such a throwback to
2000s horror.

2423
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:46,080
It was inspired by several new
French extremity films.

2424
02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:49,040
It was inspired by Saw.
It was also inspired by The

2425
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:52,600
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which
inspired a lot in the 2000s.

2426
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:56,120
I was watching it and I just
couldn't stop smiling.

2427
02:15:56,120 --> 02:15:59,480
I just thought it was perfect.
And it's not a movie where the

2428
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:02,480
vegans are right, but it's also
not a movie where the vegans are

2429
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:04,840
necessarily wrong.
Like everybody's kind of right

2430
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:08,320
and kind of wrong in this movie.
And Meat Kills wants us to talk

2431
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:13,280
about that.
It's very DIY guerrilla

2432
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:17,240
filmmaking, low budget.
It was shot on a real pig farm

2433
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:21,040
and like with a real pig farmer
and his animals.

2434
02:16:21,240 --> 02:16:25,440
And like a lot of the actors,
when they're laying in the muck,

2435
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:30,040
that's real muck that they're in
of all different kinds.

2436
02:16:30,040 --> 02:16:33,200
And so one of the main actors
after this film decided to go

2437
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:38,080
vegan because he found it so
gross being on the pig farm.

2438
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:40,639
I got to interview the director
for Film Hounds.

2439
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:42,879
And again, I was just like
geeking out and family and

2440
02:16:42,879 --> 02:16:45,160
Girling about how much this
movie is exactly for me.

2441
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:48,400
And, you know, not everybody's
going to have the same reaction

2442
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:51,400
to it that I do.
I know that it's very specific

2443
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:56,160
movie, but I think it's really
brave in 2025 to make a movie

2444
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:59,280
that looks like it's from the
2000s, you know, and they

2445
02:16:59,320 --> 02:17:04,799
really, they really went for it.
And I think in a time where we

2446
02:17:04,799 --> 02:17:07,920
could perhaps benefit from
listening to one another more

2447
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:11,680
instead of judging others right
when they open their mouths and

2448
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:14,920
maybe allowing people to try to
make better versions of their

2449
02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:18,040
arguments, Meat kills as a movie
about that.

2450
02:17:18,400 --> 02:17:21,240
And it was also my first poster
quote.

2451
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:23,440
I got my first pull quote from
my review for this.

2452
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:26,920
Movie so.
This if this ever gets a

2453
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:30,879
physical release, I will
absolutely claw and fight to be

2454
02:17:30,879 --> 02:17:32,400
on it in some way, shape or
form.

2455
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:35,160
And they are working on an
English language remake because

2456
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:38,520
they know the Dutch language is
going to be a barrier for

2457
02:17:38,520 --> 02:17:41,080
English speakers.
You know, we'll see what happens

2458
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:42,719
with that.
It's the first Dutch movie to

2459
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:45,160
get an end season rating.
So that's really special.

2460
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:48,799
So I could gush about this movie
for literally hours, but it's

2461
02:17:48,799 --> 02:17:51,480
it's a very Arielle movie and
it's my number one of the year.

2462
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:54,240
You know, you can rent it on
prime.

2463
02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:56,840
It's not streaming for free
anywhere or in the US that I

2464
02:17:56,840 --> 02:17:59,400
know of yet, but I know you can
rent it on Prime.

2465
02:18:00,360 --> 02:18:04,680
It looks like if you subscribe
to Screambox through Prime,

2466
02:18:05,160 --> 02:18:08,320
which you can do, it will be
part of the package.

2467
02:18:08,440 --> 02:18:12,280
OK, but it doesn't have it
listed, at least as I can tell

2468
02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:15,280
for screambox.
Yeah, I don't I could be wrong

2469
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:18,400
about that so.
I pay for screambox and I don't

2470
02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:21,040
think it's on there unless it
like just got added.

2471
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:24,520
But yeah, Screambox through
Amazon has different stuff.

2472
02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:29,920
And I mean, you said like the
the rest of the movie is like

2473
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:31,840
vegan activists.
Basically.

2474
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:34,959
It sounds like they get taken
out one by one.

2475
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:39,440
But this isn't a movie that kind
of like pokes fun at the vegans.

2476
02:18:39,440 --> 02:18:42,959
It's not like an anti it, but
it's not like an anti vegan

2477
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:44,639
movie.
It's like, like, look at these

2478
02:18:44,639 --> 02:18:46,959
silly, like, like a silly vegan
movie.

2479
02:18:47,559 --> 02:18:51,000
No, not at all.
The particular activists in the

2480
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:54,160
movie are over the top and
taking things too far.

2481
02:18:54,160 --> 02:18:56,400
And that kind of activism does
happen.

2482
02:18:56,799 --> 02:19:01,440
But also, like, there are good
and bad versions of meat farmers

2483
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:04,360
too.
And so this movie explores like,

2484
02:19:05,080 --> 02:19:08,040
what does it mean to be an
asshole outside of whatever you

2485
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,040
believe?
And I won't spoil the ending for

2486
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,799
anybody, but the ending
absolutely hits.

2487
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:16,280
I would have stood up and
cheered, but that wasn't

2488
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:18,320
appropriate.
Yeah, I think I would try to

2489
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:21,400
rent this tonight.
I really like what you said

2490
02:19:21,400 --> 02:19:24,520
there about like, being a better
version of yourself.

2491
02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:27,559
Like I've said this on the show,
like I've deleted a lot of

2492
02:19:27,559 --> 02:19:32,040
social media because I found
like Twitter is obviously like

2493
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,360
it's just a bad place at this
point.

2494
02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:39,680
And even blue Sky where I find
myself often agreeing with many

2495
02:19:39,680 --> 02:19:43,320
of the perspectives there.
But the way it comes across,

2496
02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:46,520
it's so judgmental and there's
no room for nuance.

2497
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:52,480
And it's either you're 100% with
me or you're a fascist Nazi, or

2498
02:19:52,480 --> 02:19:55,360
you're just doom scrolling for
clicks.

2499
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:58,280
And it's just like, I don't
think I have time for that in my

2500
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:02,080
I just found my mental health
like really spiraling the more I

2501
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:04,360
was on.
So I've I really like that

2502
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:07,760
perspective that you brought to
that Ari, like that idea that

2503
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:11,200
that's what's going on here.
So I'm going to have to watch

2504
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:14,360
this and plus you've.
Ari's never steered any of our

2505
02:20:14,360 --> 02:20:16,720
listeners, let's be honest, so
wrong.

2506
02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:18,760
Turn notwithstanding, but.
Yeah, no.

2507
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:20,320
Wrong turn.
So much fun.

2508
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:23,560
Like that was such a fun.
That was the most fun I had this

2509
02:20:23,560 --> 02:20:25,960
year covering your franchise.
Well, that's good, because it's

2510
02:20:25,960 --> 02:20:28,720
also the closest you got to
quitting, but.

2511
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:32,040
Yeah, but like, that was one.
It was 2 movies.

2512
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:37,680
That's true.
So we got four and six Part 6

2513
02:20:37,720 --> 02:20:39,960
Wrong turn.
Like that was a hidden gem for

2514
02:20:39,960 --> 02:20:43,280
the.
That was all right, Devon, why

2515
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:47,040
don't you reveal what everyone
else's number because Brian and

2516
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:49,000
I, we've talked about this
movie.

2517
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:53,320
Devon, if you want to like give
everyone our number one, the

2518
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:55,160
three that we share for the
year.

2519
02:20:55,720 --> 02:21:00,560
I would be honored to do so.
It's one of the biggest movies

2520
02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:02,760
of the year, one of the most
talked about, one of the most

2521
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:07,520
celebrated, and I think a very
rare year where there has been

2522
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:10,880
just a general consensus of,
hey, good movie.

2523
02:21:10,880 --> 02:21:15,600
But that is Ryan Cooglers
Sinners, This movie starring

2524
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:20,600
Michael B Jordan, Delroy Lindo,
a big ensemble cast, Jack

2525
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:23,240
O'Connell, so many great
performances in this.

2526
02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:28,400
And I mean, on one hand, yes,
this is a great horror film.

2527
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:32,040
Like I knew like the premise,
like it was gonna be vampires

2528
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:34,040
and it was gonna be like have
like a Juke joint thing.

2529
02:21:34,320 --> 02:21:37,000
And of course, like Dusk Till
Dawn comparisons were coming up.

2530
02:21:37,240 --> 02:21:42,080
I was expecting to be a fun,
good film, but I don't think

2531
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:46,080
anybody anticipated the soul
that was put into this film on

2532
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:49,320
like, you know, like, not only
behind the camera, like, you

2533
02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:51,840
know, Ryan Coogler made that
such a big thing of the

2534
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:55,440
marketing was how much of A
labor of love of filmmaking this

2535
02:21:55,440 --> 02:21:58,280
film is.
But also just it brings so much

2536
02:21:58,280 --> 02:22:02,320
character and warmth and emotion
from a time period and from

2537
02:22:02,320 --> 02:22:05,280
people whose stories aren't told
all that often.

2538
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:10,240
So I think there's just so much
soul and texture and culture put

2539
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:13,400
into this film.
On top of being a crowd

2540
02:22:13,400 --> 02:22:16,880
pleasing, fun film.
This movie is hilarious.

2541
02:22:16,880 --> 02:22:20,400
It had, it's a musical, it has
great musical performances.

2542
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:25,440
It has great scenes of action
and vampire shenanigans.

2543
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:28,680
Like you get all of that.
But there was just something

2544
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:33,080
about how this film brought
people together celebrating not

2545
02:22:33,080 --> 02:22:36,320
only genre films, but just
filmmaking in general.

2546
02:22:36,320 --> 02:22:40,080
Going to see stuff in cinema,
telling other people, hey, you

2547
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,440
not only have to see centers,
but you have to see it in

2548
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:45,640
theaters.
Do you have the 35mm near you

2549
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:48,920
see it in that?
You know, I got to see this in

2550
02:22:48,920 --> 02:22:52,840
the in the 70 millimeter like
perfect one that was like only

2551
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,840
in like 5 theaters around the
country.

2552
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:57,960
If you're in LA, go to the
Vista.

2553
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:01,120
It has the best sound system of
any theater I've ever been to.

2554
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:05,040
But but so just like creating
this whole communal experience

2555
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:08,440
and taking other people to see
it after you've seen it and this

2556
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:12,240
is, you know, the have you seen
blank movie of the year?

2557
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:15,520
And like it is, I think, you
know, overwhelmingly at sinners.

2558
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:18,360
So what a phenomenal film,
phenomenal cast.

2559
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:24,280
It's it's hot people being
sweaty and killing vampires and

2560
02:23:24,320 --> 02:23:29,200
a lot of you know, obviously
social and racial context, you

2561
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:32,000
know, filtered brim, you know,
but hey, you don't need to hear

2562
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:35,160
me talk about that.
Go read, you know, the millions

2563
02:23:35,160 --> 02:23:38,200
of articles that this inspired
or the artwork that it's

2564
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:41,240
inspired, you know, go check
that stuff out if you you want a

2565
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:44,440
little bit more of that.
When my I took my daughter to

2566
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:48,480
see this and like for weeks
after she kept coming to me with

2567
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:52,320
like TikTok reels on sinners.
Like that was what she was so

2568
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:55,960
hyped by this movie and like she
would it's something she never

2569
02:23:55,960 --> 02:23:57,880
does.
And she bring me like, all the

2570
02:23:57,880 --> 02:24:01,200
social memes that were like
created from this.

2571
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:02,880
Like, she really loved this
movie.

2572
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:05,880
I mean, there's that and I'm,
I'm just so excited for like in

2573
02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:09,880
2025 years, somebody's going to
make make like a super dope film

2574
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:11,720
and everybody's going to talk
about and then they're going to

2575
02:24:11,720 --> 02:24:14,000
be like, oh, what inspired you
to wanna make horror films?

2576
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:15,640
And somebody's going to say
sinners.

2577
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:17,880
You know, like, I think it's
going to have that kind of

2578
02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:21,680
lasting impact.
And Brian, you, you also we, you

2579
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:23,160
and I had this as our number
one.

2580
02:24:23,160 --> 02:24:27,160
We talked about this in a
episode that was on the Patreon,

2581
02:24:27,160 --> 02:24:31,600
but we've we have unlocked it as
of last week so all our

2582
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:33,720
listeners can hear our initial
thoughts on it.

2583
02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:39,240
This is only grown for me,
frankly, I it was as soon as I

2584
02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:43,560
saw it, it was the number one
spot on this list and for the

2585
02:24:43,560 --> 02:24:46,960
year, frankly, of any movie and
it hasn't budged.

2586
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:52,600
It has always been everything
else compared to Sinners is the

2587
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:54,840
way it's been.
This is one of the only movies

2588
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:59,280
from this year that I've given
five stars to this year.

2589
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:03,800
It just instantly knew that this
is something really special.

2590
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:07,640
It one of the things about, you
know, watching a lot of movies

2591
02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:11,280
is you're always kind of chasing
the dragon for what's going to

2592
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:15,760
be the new favorite for me?
What's the one that is going to

2593
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:18,800
transcend?
I there's this, there's this

2594
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:22,160
feeling of transcendence that
certain movies give me.

2595
02:25:22,400 --> 02:25:26,440
And it's so rare to feel that.
And I felt that not only the

2596
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:28,480
first time with this, but the
second time too.

2597
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:33,440
I saw this on Good Friday, you
know, which felt appropriate.

2598
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:37,000
And then instead of going to
church on Easter Sunday, my son

2599
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:40,680
and I went and saw it again.
And I, because I walked out of

2600
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:43,720
the theater immediately and I
said, I texted my son and said,

2601
02:25:44,200 --> 02:25:46,760
you have got to see this movie.
Just like Devon was saying, you

2602
02:25:46,760 --> 02:25:49,240
know, you're telling people to
go see this movie in the

2603
02:25:49,240 --> 02:25:52,320
theater.
And I, I wasn't sure how he was

2604
02:25:52,320 --> 02:25:57,040
reacting while we were watching
it, But then as we were leaving,

2605
02:25:57,040 --> 02:26:00,440
it's like, that's one of the
best movies I've ever seen.

2606
02:26:01,760 --> 02:26:05,680
It was he understood all of the,
he's 15 years old.

2607
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:08,760
I mean, this is he.
But he got all of the like the

2608
02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:11,640
musical cultural appropriation
stuff.

2609
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:13,880
All of that stuff was coming
through for him.

2610
02:26:14,040 --> 02:26:17,320
He really understood what the
movie was.

2611
02:26:17,400 --> 02:26:21,440
And, and just like Devon also
said, just that it was just a

2612
02:26:21,440 --> 02:26:23,880
good time.
It's such a good time.

2613
02:26:23,880 --> 02:26:26,880
And I know there are a lot of
From Dusk till Dawn comparisons.

2614
02:26:26,880 --> 02:26:29,480
I think it those comparisons are
a bit reductive.

2615
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:34,160
Yeah, very, very.
Like if you compare the elevator

2616
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:38,000
pitches, sure, yeah, maybe.
But like completely different

2617
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:41,480
movies.
The difference in tone and style

2618
02:26:41,640 --> 02:26:44,800
and character development and
just what they're trying to go

2619
02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:48,360
for in theme itself is so
different.

2620
02:26:48,440 --> 02:26:53,720
And I like From Dusk Till Dawn a
lot, but that movie's a romp.

2621
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:56,280
It's it's, it's for shits and
giggles.

2622
02:26:56,560 --> 02:26:59,800
This movie is like really trying
to say something.

2623
02:26:59,800 --> 02:27:02,960
Now, one of the big things I saw
this year that just made my head

2624
02:27:02,960 --> 02:27:06,960
want to explode was Sinners is
not a horror movie.

2625
02:27:07,640 --> 02:27:10,400
It has vampires in it.
Of course it's a horror movie.

2626
02:27:10,520 --> 02:27:14,280
And they said, well, the
vampires are metaphorical.

2627
02:27:14,480 --> 02:27:16,880
And I said vampires are always
metaphorical.

2628
02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:21,160
They're metaphorical and also in
this movie.

2629
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:24,720
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a
very weird.

2630
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:27,120
It's again, it's that reductive
thing.

2631
02:27:27,240 --> 02:27:30,920
But that's something we often
see happen when a movie like

2632
02:27:30,920 --> 02:27:35,400
this enters the zeitgeist and
it's so well made and it's such

2633
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:39,200
a commercial success.
We saw that happen with like It

2634
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:43,680
Chapter 1 where like there were
articles like is it a horror

2635
02:27:43,680 --> 02:27:45,800
movie?
And I'm like any movie that

2636
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:49,640
starts with an interdimensional
clown eating an 8 year old is a

2637
02:27:49,640 --> 02:27:52,400
horror movie.
I don't care if like the next

2638
02:27:52,400 --> 02:27:55,760
two hours are just pie fights.
And I think that take was put

2639
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:57,160
out.
That take was put and this is

2640
02:27:57,160 --> 02:28:00,200
the thing on social media like
that take was put out there.

2641
02:28:00,200 --> 02:28:02,840
But I think it's like a youth,
like a 19 year old who's

2642
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:05,960
studying film theory and they
didn't necessarily make poor

2643
02:28:05,960 --> 02:28:08,320
arguments, but they then just
got dunked on.

2644
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:12,080
And I think that is the but it
yes, it is Sinners is a horror

2645
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:14,560
movie where I.
Find this goes all the way back

2646
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:17,600
to like the Exorcist, you know,
William Freakin and Blatty

2647
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,040
saying, oh, we didn't make a
horror movie.

2648
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:21,440
Yeah, you made.
Yes, you did.

2649
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:27,280
Where what's fascinating outside
of the context of like just the

2650
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:30,880
movie itself is the fact that,
like, Coogler owns this in 25

2651
02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:34,520
years, Like this is him.
So we talked about ownership and

2652
02:28:34,520 --> 02:28:36,800
we talked about cultural
appropriation.

2653
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:41,040
Like he strikes a deal where
like this is his and he gets a

2654
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:43,000
blank check to do whatever he
wants.

2655
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:47,320
And he gets to do something that
is so rare in Hollywood right

2656
02:28:47,320 --> 02:28:51,320
now, which is like you make a
big budget movie with a lot of

2657
02:28:51,320 --> 02:28:54,360
moving parts that's completely
original.

2658
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:56,960
It's not based on any existing
IP.

2659
02:28:57,320 --> 02:29:00,200
And for not.
And I remember like the weekend

2660
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:05,120
this hit, like there's a lot of
executives in Hollywood that

2661
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:08,680
were nervous about this becoming
a hit because of the deal that

2662
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:12,200
Google strikes for ownership.
So you have like a hit piece of

2663
02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:15,520
variety.
Well, Sinners makes 50 million.

2664
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:18,080
Is that enough?
Is it actually a hit movie?

2665
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:21,400
And then the next weekend it
goes out and makes 50 million

2666
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:25,440
again based on reviews and word
of mouth, which never happens

2667
02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:29,440
now, like if a movie drops 50%,
that's a win.

2668
02:29:29,720 --> 02:29:34,120
So this just kept building and
building and it's one of the

2669
02:29:34,120 --> 02:29:38,680
real in a time where we talk
about our movies dead, our go is

2670
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:41,840
going to the cinema dead like
this being one of the real

2671
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:47,040
bright spots and to such a
degree that it's this and one

2672
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:50,000
battle after another, which are
your two front runners.

2673
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,120
It's really going to be a 2
movie race.

2674
02:29:52,280 --> 02:29:55,360
And I do think like one of the
movies is going to just clean up

2675
02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:57,040
that night.
But I don't think it's

2676
02:29:57,040 --> 02:30:00,600
necessarily about for this to
even be considered is kind of

2677
02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:02,280
stunning.
And I think we're we're all

2678
02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:05,400
Michael B Jordan, that scene
where like Canton mile or miles

2679
02:30:05,400 --> 02:30:09,520
Canton opens his mouth and sings
for the first time and the look

2680
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:13,520
of like wonder and joy on
Jordan's face.

2681
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:15,480
And I think that was a real
reaction shot.

2682
02:30:15,480 --> 02:30:18,000
Like he and I was one of the
things they talk about that was

2683
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:21,240
like in the moment, Like, holy
shit, that was all of us.

2684
02:30:21,240 --> 02:30:25,000
Like sitting down from the
moment this movie starts until

2685
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:28,160
the credits roll.
Like it's just, it's a real

2686
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:31,360
masterpiece.
Ari, you also had this listed

2687
02:30:31,360 --> 02:30:34,200
really high is your #2 for the
year.

2688
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:36,160
So like, how did this film
affect you?

2689
02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:41,040
Well, I just think, like all the
wonderful things about it have

2690
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:44,320
been said, this movie is
perfect.

2691
02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:48,880
OK, I got nothing else.
I've talked a lot.

2692
02:30:50,040 --> 02:30:51,880
I really want to see meat kills
now.

2693
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:55,680
I lied, it is on screen box.
OK, excellent.

2694
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:59,440
So if you have a subscription
there, yes, well, we did it and

2695
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,520
we did it in relatively short
order this year.

2696
02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:05,880
And I wonder if part of that is
unlike past years.

2697
02:31:05,880 --> 02:31:09,400
I think like y'all said at the
top like it's a pretty front

2698
02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:12,120
loaded top 10.
It is.

2699
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:16,280
So it's pretty, I think it's
been a great year for movies and

2700
02:31:16,280 --> 02:31:21,040
a so so year for the genre, like
a lot of three star films.

2701
02:31:21,080 --> 02:31:23,360
But yeah, another year in the
books.

2702
02:31:24,480 --> 02:31:27,440
This is always one of my
favorite episodes of record and

2703
02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:30,560
it's always one of the more
popular ones for us.

2704
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:33,400
And I'm wondering, Brian, what
are we doing next?

2705
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:35,640
Like where do we go from here?
What's coming up, man?

2706
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:40,760
Where do we go?
We go back a few decades, in

2707
02:31:40,760 --> 02:31:42,640
fact, to the.
Future.

2708
02:31:42,840 --> 02:31:46,280
There we go.
Yeah, we're taking a look at,

2709
02:31:46,280 --> 02:31:50,200
again, you mentioned Devon, I
think mentioned movies that

2710
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:54,120
shouldn't have sequels.
So we're we're talking about,

2711
02:31:54,120 --> 02:31:56,840
but it worked out in this case
at least the first time we're

2712
02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:59,760
talking about the Psycho
franchise.

2713
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:05,280
So we're going back to 1960 with
Alfred Hitchcock's Absolutely

2714
02:32:05,720 --> 02:32:12,480
Seismic, you know, landscape
shifting motion picture from

2715
02:32:12,480 --> 02:32:16,360
1960.
And then it's going to be a

2716
02:32:16,360 --> 02:32:19,840
while before a sequel comes out
to that just because there's.

2717
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:27,280
So it just really did change
things so much so.

2718
02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:34,120
And Devon, you've covered that
whole franchise as part of?

2719
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:40,680
Yes, we we did it last year as
our pride series.

2720
02:32:40,680 --> 02:32:43,960
So we did it for Pride month, an
hour of Anthony Perkins leading

2721
02:32:43,960 --> 02:32:47,840
that franchise.
And yeah, it's you're going to

2722
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:51,840
be in for some surprises people
like again, like if you owe you

2723
02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:55,080
obviously want to immediately
write off the idea of a sequel

2724
02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:57,880
to Psycho that I will say there
is one film in there that I

2725
02:32:57,880 --> 02:33:01,680
think will genuinely surprise
some of you guys, the other two.

2726
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:06,520
But we'll see, you know, we'll
see how everyone goes along with

2727
02:33:06,520 --> 02:33:08,960
it.
I'm I'm very excited for anyone

2728
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:11,960
who hasn't seen these films to
go on the journey because

2729
02:33:11,960 --> 02:33:14,800
they're each their own
individual thing.

2730
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:19,360
Like like it's almost, it's
almost akin to the silent night

2731
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:21,040
or not Silent Night deadly night
series.

2732
02:33:21,440 --> 02:33:24,040
It's actually kind of similar to
like the slumber party master

2733
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:26,400
series.
Like each entry is like

2734
02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:31,880
distinctly like a different
slasher thriller sub genre and

2735
02:33:31,880 --> 02:33:33,960
they like kind of shift a little
bit.

2736
02:33:34,840 --> 02:33:37,240
That is not a comparison I
expected anyway.

2737
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:40,840
I'm not saying that the first
Slumber Party massacre is on par

2738
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:44,560
with the first Psycho, but as
far as like franchise structure

2739
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:46,080
goes.
But this is going to be a, this

2740
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:47,240
is going to be an interesting
one.

2741
02:33:47,240 --> 02:33:51,880
I'm excited for everybody.
And Ari, we have you down for

2742
02:33:51,880 --> 02:33:55,600
the remake of that, the 1998
remake, correct it.

2743
02:33:55,880 --> 02:33:59,240
Just feels like where I belong.
I think I signed up for that one

2744
02:33:59,240 --> 02:34:01,400
too because I haven't seen it.
I think I signed up.

2745
02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:03,680
I haven't down, but we'll get
you there.

2746
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:06,520
I'm gonna put you in right now.
I haven't seen any of the

2747
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:08,400
sequels.
I'm excited for that.

2748
02:34:08,440 --> 02:34:12,280
It feels like I belong at the,
you know, the trash place.

2749
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:15,920
Wow, OK, OK, you're gonna love
Psycho 3 then.

2750
02:34:16,480 --> 02:34:21,120
I mean Psycho 3 is sleazy and.
Actually, Ari will love Psycho

2751
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:22,200
30 I.
Can't.

2752
02:34:22,680 --> 02:34:26,320
I love I unabashedly.
Unabashedly.

2753
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:30,120
That's a canal favorite.
Yeah, yeah, I love Psycho 3, I

2754
02:34:30,120 --> 02:34:31,480
think.
I'm a board.

2755
02:34:32,800 --> 02:34:36,200
OK, so we're going to do
something I think we've ever

2756
02:34:36,200 --> 02:34:39,200
done with the show.
Like Brian and I next week are

2757
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:43,200
going to bring like a little
Hitchcock primer, like Hitchcock

2758
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:47,400
just in the 1950s, because that
is like, you know, you look at

2759
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:53,160
52 to like 60 from like
Strangers on a train through

2760
02:34:53,160 --> 02:34:57,320
Psycho.
And it's a creative and mostly

2761
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:01,720
commercial run that's kind of
unprecedented between like

2762
02:35:01,720 --> 02:35:06,560
Strangers on a Train, Vertigo,
Rear Window, North by Northwest,

2763
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:09,560
and then you cap that off with
Psycho.

2764
02:35:10,080 --> 02:35:13,920
It's kind of incredible.
So we're going to just kind of

2765
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:17,600
run through a little bit and
also bringing like a weekly

2766
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:21,960
television show that it's like
the number 2 show in the country

2767
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:24,120
with Alfred Hitch.
And that's really where people

2768
02:35:24,120 --> 02:35:28,760
got to know Alfred Hitchcock.
He became such a recognizable,

2769
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:32,560
yeah, a brand of itself.
So that is going to be really

2770
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:35,520
fascinating.
But Brian and I are going to be

2771
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:39,120
bringing that as our first like
real episode of the year.

2772
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:46,280
It is a new year and I do want
to thank all of you, like all of

2773
02:35:46,280 --> 02:35:50,760
our listeners first.
We saw a fair amount of growth

2774
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:54,320
in 2025 again, which I really
appreciate.

2775
02:35:54,320 --> 02:35:57,480
And that's despite, you know,
like we just let the show be

2776
02:35:57,480 --> 02:36:00,800
what it is.
Like, I'm not out there shaking

2777
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:04,120
hands and kissing babies and
doing all the promo in the world

2778
02:36:04,200 --> 02:36:06,880
just because, like, I don't have
time.

2779
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:10,880
But you organically have helped
the show grow and I appreciate

2780
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:12,680
it.
And I honestly think that's

2781
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:15,800
nothing to do with me.
And it's everything to do with

2782
02:36:15,800 --> 02:36:18,840
like the men and women that I do
the show with every week, who

2783
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:24,120
are so much more articulate and
brighter and have so much more

2784
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:27,920
to say than I do and have better
technology and tech skills.

2785
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:31,920
So I thank each of you for
giving me your time every week.

2786
02:36:32,640 --> 02:36:34,880
Of course, we hit 300 episodes
this year.

2787
02:36:34,880 --> 02:36:36,880
That was big time.
That was crazy.

2788
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:42,120
And yeah, I'm excited to to put
another year in under our belts.

2789
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:45,800
Let's get to 300 by the end of
next year, 300 more.

2790
02:36:45,800 --> 02:36:47,000
Let's do it.
Let's.

2791
02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:49,640
All right, I guess.
Right.

2792
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:51,600
I'll see you in six hours, I
guess.

2793
02:36:51,720 --> 02:36:54,040
Think of the audio went out
there for a second.

2794
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:55,800
Where can we find everybody
here?

2795
02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:58,680
Ariel, you have a lot going on.
Where can list?

2796
02:36:58,680 --> 02:37:00,640
A couple things going on.
Yeah, What's going on?

2797
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:03,520
Couldn't follow me on all the
socials at Aria under SCORE

2798
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:05,880
Hellraiser.
But most importantly, follow

2799
02:37:05,880 --> 02:37:09,760
Ghouls Meg on Instagram.
We are rising from the dead and

2800
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:12,640
I'm really excited about it.
A lot of the original writers

2801
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:14,960
are coming back.
Plus we have some awesome new

2802
02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:18,840
writers on board and we're going
to do things a little bit

2803
02:37:18,840 --> 02:37:21,960
differently this time.
And so keep an eye on Ghouls

2804
02:37:21,960 --> 02:37:25,960
Meg, see where we're going.
Me personally, 2026 is going to

2805
02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:28,720
be a year of a lot of writing.
And so as soon as I'm able to

2806
02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:32,120
announce a couple things I'm
involved in, I will not shut up

2807
02:37:32,120 --> 02:37:33,840
about them.
So excellent.

2808
02:37:33,960 --> 02:37:36,440
Keep your eyes open.
I know like we may not see you

2809
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:39,480
as often for the next year
because you have so much going

2810
02:37:39,480 --> 02:37:42,880
on in that regard, but we will
get you here and there so.

2811
02:37:42,920 --> 02:37:44,280
Oh absolutely.
You guys can't get rid of.

2812
02:37:44,360 --> 02:37:47,000
Me that easy.
I will absolutely badger you so

2813
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:49,840
as you're in your saw hoodie.
Oh my goodness, I love it.

2814
02:37:50,320 --> 02:37:54,560
Totally on brand, Ari on brand.
What happens unlike Brian like

2815
02:37:54,600 --> 02:38:00,600
people hand Ari like hoodies off
screen 2000s.

2816
02:38:00,600 --> 02:38:03,720
That would be a great gig.
Brian, how about yourself?

2817
02:38:04,680 --> 02:38:07,920
Well, I've taken sort of the
month of December off.

2818
02:38:07,960 --> 02:38:12,680
I released something early in
the month, but I'm just kind of

2819
02:38:12,960 --> 02:38:16,680
enjoying a little bit of
relaxation and but I plan to hit

2820
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:18,560
the ground running again in the
new year.

2821
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:21,920
And then we're also going to be
launching Holy Terrors podcast

2822
02:38:21,920 --> 02:38:27,120
in January here.
So keep a ear out for that.

2823
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:31,080
You can find us on Instagram and
threads at Holy Terrors podcast

2824
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:32,920
and then on Blue Sky at Holy
Terrors.

2825
02:38:32,920 --> 02:38:38,440
And you can find me at Brian
Waves 42 around the everywhere.

2826
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:40,200
I mean, that's my handle
everywhere.

2827
02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:44,680
So yeah, I not a lot to add to
that.

2828
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:47,040
I'm going to it.
Was a big year for your writing

2829
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:49,360
last year and we're anticipating
more.

2830
02:38:49,880 --> 02:38:53,240
Anticipating more coming up in
2026.

2831
02:38:53,240 --> 02:38:55,360
Big, big things coming, as
always.

2832
02:38:56,520 --> 02:38:59,640
We'll see.
All right, we'll see what

2833
02:38:59,640 --> 02:39:03,280
happens.
Devon, you had quite the journey

2834
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:06,520
this year.
You did like 20 episodes and 20

2835
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:10,720
days of Spectre Cinema Club and
you know that continues to grow.

2836
02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:13,960
Your Battle Royale episode is
excellent, by the way.

2837
02:39:13,960 --> 02:39:15,840
Like that's what I'm on right
now.

2838
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:19,200
It's a really good list and I
really love that movie and love

2839
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:21,480
what you guys both have to say
about that one.

2840
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:24,200
What's going on with Spectre
Cinema Club?

2841
02:39:24,840 --> 02:39:27,360
Oh yeah, you guys know me.
I'm podcasting a lot.

2842
02:39:27,360 --> 02:39:31,480
You're gonna have to found
destination me to to get me off

2843
02:39:31,480 --> 02:39:35,040
of the pod and pendulum.
I'm not scaling back, but

2844
02:39:35,560 --> 02:39:38,480
Spectre Cinema Club, we had a
lot of milestones as well.

2845
02:39:38,480 --> 02:39:41,440
We did yeah, we did a whole all
the Friday, Friday and Jason

2846
02:39:41,440 --> 02:39:44,560
movies in October.
We did all of Twin Peaks plus

2847
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:46,920
the return and Fire Walk with Me
in December.

2848
02:39:47,560 --> 02:39:49,360
We did a a bunch of big
projects.

2849
02:39:49,560 --> 02:39:51,760
So we're having a good time over
there.

2850
02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:54,880
So of course, new episodes every
Tuesday, me and get McDowell new

2851
02:39:54,880 --> 02:39:59,360
subgenres every month.
We'll be starting off on 2026

2852
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:04,320
with the 28 Blank franchise,
catching up on that for January

2853
02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:09,120
before going into some we'll be
doing Shallow for February to

2854
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:10,640
give you guys a little taste
there.

2855
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:12,920
Tainted Love.
We went on a little bit of a

2856
02:40:12,920 --> 02:40:18,200
hiatus for the fall as Zoe was
very busy helping or not helping

2857
02:40:18,360 --> 02:40:21,800
resurrecting ghouls.
Mag and me and her scheming some

2858
02:40:21,800 --> 02:40:25,560
stuff, you know, to intertwine
Tainted Love with that as well.

2859
02:40:26,040 --> 02:40:28,440
Again, to hear some of the
behind the scenes.

2860
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:32,080
I'm very excited for everything
that the ghouls are cooking up.

2861
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:36,720
So that's a podcast exploring
sex, love, relationships and

2862
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:39,320
horror movies.
But we'll be back to regular

2863
02:40:39,320 --> 02:40:42,320
episodes, I think in February,
just in time for Valentine's

2864
02:40:42,320 --> 02:40:43,240
Day.
Excellent.

2865
02:40:43,240 --> 02:40:46,760
And I got some other podcasty
things, cooking, some other

2866
02:40:46,760 --> 02:40:49,960
projects that I can't give
details about just yet, but

2867
02:40:50,120 --> 02:40:53,960
you'll hear about them as they
emerge at Under Score Daddydisco

2868
02:40:53,960 --> 02:40:57,160
Blue Sky Instagram Letterbox.
Excellent.

2869
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:01,160
Well listeners, you can follow
us at Pod and Pendulum on both

2870
02:41:01,160 --> 02:41:05,800
Instagram and Blue Sky and you
can head to our site pod of the

2871
02:41:05,800 --> 02:41:08,320
pendulum.com where all of our
movies are.

2872
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:11,440
This is like the big project I
do like this would be the big

2873
02:41:11,440 --> 02:41:13,280
thing I devote my creative
energy to.

2874
02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:16,800
However, as a couple of you
know, like you've seen some

2875
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:20,200
stuff I've sent your way, we're
hoping to do something else.

2876
02:41:20,200 --> 02:41:23,920
Like, I'm really hoping to do a
new project next year that I'm

2877
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:27,880
super excited about that is not
in the horror space.

2878
02:41:27,880 --> 02:41:29,160
Like something that is like,
different.

2879
02:41:29,160 --> 02:41:31,680
I think, you know, we're all
horror fans, but I think it's

2880
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:34,920
fair to say that all of us just
love movies more than anything

2881
02:41:34,920 --> 02:41:37,560
else.
So it's a really, if it gets off

2882
02:41:37,560 --> 02:41:40,480
the ground, which I think it
will, it'll be a really fun idea

2883
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:43,520
that will be a little different
format, different structure, a

2884
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:46,400
little faster and looser.
But yeah, we're hoping to make

2885
02:41:46,400 --> 02:41:48,640
that happen.
But listeners, we appreciate you

2886
02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:54,800
as we head into year 7 of this
show, like goodness, like, but

2887
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:58,720
we appreciate you being along
with us for this ride.

2888
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:01,480
We want to hear from you in the
comments or on e-mail.

2889
02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:04,640
Go ahead or you reviews.
Go ahead.

2890
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:07,600
Let us know what was your top
ten this year And you think we

2891
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:10,480
got it right.
But we'll be back next week with

2892
02:42:10,480 --> 02:42:12,640
our Hitchcock primer.
Take care.