DAWN OF THE DEAD (2004)

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None.
Hey there everyone, and welcome

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As always, I'm your host, Mike's

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Noonian, and today we are going
to talk about 2000 Fours Dawn of

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the Dead, written by 1 James
Gunn and directed by a young

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Zack Snyder.
So you know, 2 upstarts folks

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might not be familiar with them
but that's OK, I kid.

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All right, that joke landed like
a ton of bricks and I am not

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alone.
I'm not holed up here by myself.

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We have a pair of Co hosts with
us today.

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First up, he is from the Spectre
Cinema Club in Tainted Love, a

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podcast that deals with love,
romance, sex and relationships

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and horror.
Mr. Devon Taylor.

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Devon, how are we?
Oh.

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We should have done a
soundboard.

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We didn't do a soundboard.
I thought I thought maybe it

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might come in, but hey, I have
to make my own soundboard

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sometimes.
I would.

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Like to.
The problem I think is I have

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not figured out Riverside's
soundboard yet.

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So it's like 5050 whether or not
it shows up in the episode.

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Like we last few episodes we've
recorded the intro without

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editing in.
Like we just play it and then

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start talking and now when I go
to edit, I'm like, there's no

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introduction and the outro has
never made it in.

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I always have to go back in and
put in like the outro music.

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And I think that's not
Riverside, I think it's me.

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So we're figuring that out.
Figuring it out.

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You just heard her voice.
She is the author of Millennial

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Nasties, a book that is all
about the gooey, goopy and

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sometimes hardcore horror of the
first decade of the century.

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Miss Ariel.
Hellraiser, Ari.

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How are we today?
I'm so good.

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I'm so stoked to talk about this
millennial nasty with you guys.

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And are you down with the
sickness?

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Oh, I'm very down with the.
Sickness.

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Very down with the sickness.
We'll definitely.

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Day one with the sickness.
Down since day one.

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I have a question because
Disturbed did the remix of the

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Stone Cold Steve Austin theme
around 2000 I correct?

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I don't know that is sounds
plausible because I remember I

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had the CD, it was called
Aggression and it was remixes of

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WWF entrance music by rappers
and new metal artists and so it

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might have been on there.
But do you remember the remix of

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Austin's theme like back in the
day, like when he stopped using

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the wah wah, you know, guitar
and it was more the chugga

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chugga new metal theme or is
that?

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I do remember that I.
Don't.

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Know.
Well, I mean, I like that I it's

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a sign of the times, you know, I
like Stone Cold's original or I

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don't know if it's his original
entrance music, but the previous

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one and the new one.
I think they both, you know.

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Yes, you are correct.
It's the glass shatters the

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Stone Cold Steve Austin theme.
Excellent lyrics.

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I don't know, I wasn't about it,
but gotta be honest, by like

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2001 they were doing a lot of
things wrong, so.

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Well, that's our other podcast.
That's a different podcast.

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I would love to do that.
Well, before we talk about this

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movie, we'll do a brief bit of
housekeeping.

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I'll get it right off the bat
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And I don't know, maybe we'll
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I mean, who can?
Say Nope.

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Ari is not included in that.
I bet Devon and I would.

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I mean Devon and I probably.
Only.

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Only the boys.
Yeah.

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Fair enough.
Of course.

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Yeah.
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Charging enough for your feet
picks.

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Don't sell them cheap.
I have really ugly feet.

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Somebody out there, Mike wants
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Somebody is really some ugly
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Literally, there's a foot for
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And as we were talking before we
hit record about going off the

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rails, and now that I've
officially done that, let's

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things bring things back and
talk a little bit about this

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movie.
Ari, what were your initial

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thoughts on this?
Like when did you first see this

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one and how does it rate for
you?

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Yeah, So I don't remember
exactly when I saw this for the

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first time.
I saw it around the time it came

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out.
I can't remember if it was in

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theater or on home video.
I liked it, but it didn't leave

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a huge impression on me.
As I've admitted before,

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zombies, I don't feel super
connected to zombie stories.

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But I really liked this movie,
probably because of all the

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things it does that are like
other movies that I like, right?

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It's got good violence and bleak
themes.

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It's got incredible action.
And it looks like it takes place

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in Sauce City, as you noted
yesterday, Mike, because of all

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the blue and the green and the
yellow.

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And I like it.
I've liked it more the more I

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watched it.
You know, I had to watch it a

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handful of times when I was
writing Millennial Nasties.

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And it made me really appreciate
what this movie is and what it

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isn't.
And also especially because I

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don't feel super strongly
connected to the Romero films.

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I haven't even seen the original
Dawn of the Dead.

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I'm not comparing it to
anything.

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And so I'm able to just enjoy it
for what it is without being

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disappointed in what it isn't.
And I think it's like a really

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solid action movie.
I think that's a interesting

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point you brought up there, like
when you don't have the

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connection to the original
works, which in this case would

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be Romero's Dawn of the Dead,
that having that layer of

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removed lets you enjoy the movie
on its own merits.

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And I wonder, are there any
remakes you've watched?

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And I'm sure that you've watched
a lot of them because so many

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came out during the decade your
book covers that you felt you

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couldn't connect with just
because you had such an

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attachment to like, the original
film.

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That's a good question it.
Really is.

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Good job, Mike, with your
question.

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It's surprising that I don't
feel that way about The Texas

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Chainsaw Massacre.
I really enjoy pretty much every

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iteration of that.
I would say that like the remake

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of A Nightmare on Elm Street, I
don't super love, but I think

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that is, you know, I'm sure
we've talked about this before,

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but it's hard.
It's Robert England.

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I just miss Robert England and
that and I don't remember the

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Friday the 13th remake well
enough, but I think I it left me

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cold and maybe I'd like it more
now, but I was just kind of

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like, what are we doing here?
So I guess the big slasher temp

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holes.
The Friday the 13th remake is

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interesting because it's similar
to this in that it has like a

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phenomenal cold open like the
1st 15 minutes of that.

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Like I know there was just that
short film Sweet Revenge which

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was awful.
Just like one of the worst

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things you could spend 15
minutes on.

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And if you use the opening of
the Friday the 13th remake

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instead, that would have been a
way better like short to

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reintroduce Jason.
It's a great Derek Mears really

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should have had like a a run
like a cane hotter type of run,

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like doing four or five Jason
movies.

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He was really good in the remake
and there are issues with it.

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But Devon, how about yourself?
Like your initial thoughts on

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Snyder's Dawn of the Dead?
Yeah, no, I mean, it was an

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interesting time, you know, in
the early 2000s 'cause, you

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know, people like to shit on
some of the remakes from the

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Sierra, but it's like, I think
like from the first like four

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years or so when they were
getting cranked out, they were

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mostly pretty good and like, you
know, like, And I think this is

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definitely one of them.
I remember watching this on DVD

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in my living room whenever this
came out.

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I was, I was like what 1011?
And, and it's interesting since

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Shawn of the dead did come out
the same year, but I didn't see

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Shawn of the dead until like a
few years later whenever Hot

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Fuzz came out.
And I mean, I definitely, I

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don't know if I, I, I know I
definitely didn't have the

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attachment with some, some of
the originals to these remakes

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because again, like a lot of
these ones were like my first

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introduction, like I saw 2003
Texas chainsaw before I saw the

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original, like wait, before I
saw the original.

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And so like, I guess I just
instantly didn't really have

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those attachments, but I mean, I
liked it then.

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I liked it now.
Like I didn't really remember

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much from it.
I think the last time I would

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did watch it was probably back
in like around whenever Sham the

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Dead came out or, or, or when I
watched it rather a couple years

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after that.
And so I mean, I probably

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haven't seen this in like 15
years or so.

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And then I was like, Oh yeah,
no, this is this is pretty good

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as far as like directorial
debuts for a genre film.

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I think this is like kind of
isn't really talked about is

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like somebody kind of coming out
of the gate like with a really

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solid film.
And my, my 2 bombs I'll drop now

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that we'll come back to after
notes one.

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This is as good as 28 Days
Later, though they are very

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different types of zombie
movies, which we'll get into a

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little bit later.
And I'd say this is better than

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most of Romero's films aside of
Not the Living Dead.

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Like, again, I don't really have
like, any preciousness with

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George, like Day of the Dead, A
Day of the Dead and His Dawn of

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the Dead.
I'm like, you know, yeah,

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whatever.
I like this one better for

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different reasons because again,
the Snyder is definitely going

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for something much different.
But I mean honestly, like like

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this was actually better.
Like whenever I like was going

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in to rewatch this, I thought I
was gonna like maybe knock it

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down a few pegs and I was like,
Oh, no, this is actually like

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much better than I remember it
being.

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And I had a a really good time
with it because this is more of

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the this is more of the thrill
ride zombie movie, less than the

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exploration of his social and
morality themes.

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And and that's kind of more what
I prefer most of the time in

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zombie movies.
So I really enjoyed this one.

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I think it helps knock this up a
couple pegs, especially after

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watching Diary and Survival
back-to-back.

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Like you watch those two movies
and this is a much, much better

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made movie than both of those
movies.

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And so definitely talk more as
we get in to the notes here

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because I think I'm closer to
agreeing with you in one of

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those statements more than the
other.

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But I think there's merit to
like both of them for sure.

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For me, like this was a
theatrical watch.

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Like this was a time where we
had a large group of us that

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were either watching like horror
movies in my living room.

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Every Sunday night.
We do a double feature, have

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friends over, like cook out on
the grill and just have like 10

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or 11 friends come over and just
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movies we loved.
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whenever there was like a new
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time, which I don't think is
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it, like coming out like a week
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hands on some tickets for it.
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of us that essentially took up
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cinema.
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getting up and clapping at like
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something when that came on
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had never seen before.
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golf clap because this is the
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that and not get murdered
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Like you weren't told to shut
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And it was a horror movie crowd
like hooting and hollering and

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having a really good time with
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It's a really fun movie.
And, you know, it's not, you

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know, I don't think we knew who
James Gunn was at the time.

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We didn't know who Zack Snyder
was at the time.

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And obviously, like for this is,
although Gunn's not first

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writing effort, it's might be
the one that maybe launched him

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into directing later on.
Snyder obviously would go on to

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have a pretty prolific career
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this.
And you know, he's a divisive

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filmmaker for some reasons, but
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he's a talented filmmaker.
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work.
Like you can't deny that he does

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have some chops.
I don't think I'm as fond of

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this movie as I was when it
first came out.

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I think part of it is I'm not a
huge zombie person.

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And part of it is there's just
like not a lot of there.

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They're like, it's a fun action
horror movie, but it doesn't

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necessarily have a lot going on
for it under that service.

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But it does what a remake should
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movie, it makes it recognizable,
but then recontextualize it and

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does do its own thing with it.
What I do like is that aside

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from some brief cameos of like a
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there's not a lot of like
fanservice where you're just

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pointing at the camera and going
like here is like another thing

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that I recognize the original.
Therefore, that dopamine hit

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comes in.
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and it allows people to come to
this on their own and not feel

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left out, you know, like, I
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it.
I think that's a great thing for

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a remake to do, yeah.
And sometimes when that happens

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too, you're if it's not a good
movie, you're just reminded you

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should just be watching the
original again anyway.

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It's like, why am I watching
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And I think you both have said
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remake phase of things that
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because you think you have
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Or even if you're not always
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would see as the decade would
wear on, where it's producers

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and studios buying the rights to
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whatever they can to make a buck
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Like that became what happened
as the decade wore on and his

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remakes were successful.
I mean, there's, there's the

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different types of remakes you
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know, if you're either doing
something completely different.

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I mean, this is like, you know,
like, like you said, not a lot

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of fan service, but it's also
not too dissimilar from the

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original Dawn of the Day.
But this is a big change in

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tone.
Like I think that's like really

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the emphasis here is like the
tone is much different and

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emphasizing a little bit more on
the action than previous ones

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have I think is kind of what
sets this apart.

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Yeah.
What I mean by like fan service

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is if, like, one of the stores
was named like Flyboy Jeans, you

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know what I mean?
Things like that, Like, just

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things you would point to, like
you would only get this if you

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knew the original movie.
Like that is the kind of fan

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service that can be very
grating.

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And what was cool about these
cameos too, is like, they're

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cameos, but they actually fold
in really well.

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remake, because the two

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characters that they're cameoing
as are people on TV, like

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influencing people.
And that's what this movie is.

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It was influenced by Donald
Dead.

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And like, so it's like, I like
how even the cameos like kind of

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bake that in and to be in like,
you know, these are the

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characters from that movie that
influenced the movie you're

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watching now.
So yeah, it does a it does a few

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really cool things.
But again, like it hasn't gotten

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to the point of the late odds
early 20s where we're starting

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to learn the wrong things from
remaking films.

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At least studios rather.
Yeah, just grabbing for cash

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later on.
Absolutely agree with that

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wholeheartedly.
Well, let's talk a little bit

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about how this one came together
and maybe put it into context

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and like what was going on
around 2004.

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So it is a time where zombies
are heating up once again, the

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horror world is booming, and the
world kind of has gone to shit.

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Like, it's only a few years
after 911 and we're ramping up

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in Afghanistan in a war.
We're about to invade Iraq as a

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war.
George W just got reelected.

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Great time.
George W will be reelected late.

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Yep, he'll be reelected later
that year despite not being a

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very popular, having pretty poor
poll numbers, and not being very

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popular president.
He's about to get us engulfed in

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another war.
The economy is in the toilet,

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but horror is doing great.
And Ariel?

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I can hear the horror is back
headlines now.

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Yes, yes, horror is back from
wherever it went.

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And there are times it had
dipped a little bit, I would

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say, like post the Scream, post
Scream 3 in that little run, you

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know, you have that it heated up
in the late 90s and then would

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dip a little bit.
And then it feels like 3 is a

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bit of the turning point where
there are some like fairly big

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titles like the Texas Chainsaw
remake and some other ones that

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have a lot of success where
there's like another run that is

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going to sustain for almost a
decade.

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Are you're our resident, like,
2000s horror expert.

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So maybe you could speak on a
little bit what was going on

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with like the genre at this
time?

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Yeah, 2003 was a really big
turning point.

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The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
remake, like you said, which not

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only was hugely successful but
also kicks off a remake boom.

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2003 also gave us wrong turn,
which kicked off a very

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successful franchise.
Well, very successful.

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I don't know if that's fair to
say, but it kicked off a long

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running franchise and also.
Sold a lot of DVDs.

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Yes, definitely did.
And House of 1000 Corpses also

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came out in 2003 after sitting
in development hell for years

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and also kind of being its own
Texas Chainsaw remake.

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And so we've got Rob Zombie,
we've got the Wrong Turn

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franchise getting kicked off and
we've got kick off of remakes in

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2003.
So in 2004 with Dawn of the

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Dead, we've got a remake of, you
know, like another beloved

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classic, which is what we're
going to do for a while.

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Made much more violent and
gritty and bleak to fit the tone

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of the time.
You know, the movies of this

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time are very, there's a feeling
of helplessness, which

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definitely comes through in the
end of this film especially, and

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this feeling of we're trying.
You know, there's something to

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be said about Zack Snyder's
filmmaking being military

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propaganda.
You know, that's a whole

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conversation, but you really
feel it in this movie.

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Guns are necessary and good, and
they're going to be the thing

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that saves us.
And that's how the United States

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was feeling at the time.
At least that's what the culture

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was telling us Everything was
like.

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We need to protect ourselves and
guard our own because no one's

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going to do it for us, you know,
get your guns.

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So that comes through in this
film as well.

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So, and it is two years after 28
Days Later, which was a really

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successful zombie movie.
And like you said, zombies are

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hot again.
I don't remember when The

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Walking Dead TV show started.
Was that around this time?

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2010 I think it's still oh,
that's way later.

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Then yeah.
OK, but I believe the comic is

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out or just about to come out.
Like it's right around this time

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that Kirkman's like black and
white comics, like they start to

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get released and they're very
popular, like right out of the

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gate.
Yeah, and 28 days later it come

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out two years before this.
So that was like, I'm the one

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that was like, oh hey, let's
start doing zombie movies again.

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And there was also like the
trend to of with these remakes

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and such of pulling these
directors that were like usually

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had like backgrounds and music
videos because Mark is

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misspelled.
He was also another director

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that they like plucked from
doing many music videos.

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And that's where they kind of
found Snyder.

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also like finding these these

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newer directors, you know, that
have style and a vision that

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like, they felt comfortable
with, like giving like, you

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know, a decent size, you know,
chunk of money.

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I mean, you know, they gave, you
know, Zack Snyder $26 million on

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his first film.
Like nobody's getting that these

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days.
That's crazy, you know, so like

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the fact that they, you know,
were being like, well, these are

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experienced directors, just not
film directors per SE.

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And so it like kind of led to
the IT was because that was an

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interesting pipeline in general
in the 90s, late 90s, early

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2000s.
Like not even just in horror,

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just in, in general.
There are a lot of taking these

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directors that you knew, knew
how to handle themselves

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technically.
And then you were just like,

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well, I guess we'll see if they
are creative enough to like, you

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know, make something
interesting.

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But like they were OK.
Like kind of giving these new

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ish directors kind of a lot of
room to roam.

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Yeah, they're all looking for
the next David Fincher.

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You know who had cut his teeth
in music videos and commercials?

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And his film debut was Alien 3,
which almost swore him off a

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Hollywood.
But then he would go on to make

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seven in the game and a number
of other, you know, Fight Club

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in another other classic film.
So everyone's looking for their

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next venture.
And that would continue all the

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way through, like Samuel Bayer
getting the Elm St. remake

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despite turning it down I think
at least two times.

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Like not wanting to make it
until they made him, like an

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offer.
Offer he really couldn't refuse.

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And this era is why McGee has
had such a prolific directing

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career.
For every for every David

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Fincher you get, you get a
McGee.

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As far as music video directors,
gone film.

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He was the man behind or am I
thinking of Eric Kripke?

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I think of Mick GI think of like
Supernatural, the long running

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TV show.
I think figure he was a producer

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on it, but maybe I'm.
Completely.

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Off base, if I know that was
like an Eric Kripke like he

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created he was.
Yeah.

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But Big G might have been like
in the he had his hands in that

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somehow.
But you're right.

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Charlie's Angels, Mick G.
Let's put some respect on that

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name.
And Ari, you said something

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there, you know, about this
style of horror being hopeless.

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And I think that that is a
really astute point because

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there's a couple more movies in
O 4.

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That's going to be the year we
get the first release of one of

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your favorite franchises as well
as another movie a year later in

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Hostile.
And I think would you say that

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like that tone is what kind of
defines this like decade long

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stretch of the genre?
Yeah, it's it's definitely one

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of the defining characteristics
of a millennial nasty is a

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feeling of helplessness or
hopelessness.

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And it can have an OK ending,
but you really got to go through

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the ringer to get there.
Or it can have a completely

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bleak ending, like Saw, like
this movie, depending on which

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version of Hostile you watch.
Like Hostile?

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What do you mean?
Is there different endings?

447
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,440
I only know the OK.
Is there a happy ending in

448
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240
Hostile?
No, Well, no, there's not a

449
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,000
happy ending, but there's
definitely like a darker 1.

450
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,480
OK, I have not watched that and
I'm sure that will come to the

451
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,120
wheel at some point.
The three film.

452
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,680
I want to do the first two, I
really don't want to do the

453
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,360
third one.
That's what stops me from

454
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,040
putting it on the wheel.
You don't have to be on the

455
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,080
episode, you can take that
episode off.

456
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,120
Mike, it will be the worst movie
you've ever watched.

457
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,080
I don't know.
If I can do that to you again

458
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:35,120
after wrong term 5 nearly made
you quit podcasting.

459
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,160
I haven't seen.
I haven't seen any of the Hostel

460
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,600
movies actually.
The second one is the best one,

461
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,400
the.
First one.

462
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,880
Yeah, the second one is legit
rules.

463
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,560
The first one's totally fine.
The third one is offensive.

464
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,840
Like I wouldn't piss on it if it
was on fire.

465
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,000
OK interesting, I am almost
peaked.

466
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,640
I might just like watch.
It you're gonna, you're gonna

467
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,560
hate it, you're going to be mad.
OK, fair enough.

468
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,840
Well, I'll tell you who wasn't
mad.

469
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,200
Producer Richard Rubenstein, who
had been one of the producers of

470
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,880
the original Dawn of the Dead.
After he sold the rights of the

471
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,600
film to Mark Abraham and Eric
Newman, Rubenstein said he was

472
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,040
reluctant to sell it first.
He didn't want the remake to

473
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,480
kind of have like the attitude
of films of this area, that kind

474
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,360
of grim, dark look and feel to
it.

475
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:27,200
But he did trust Abraham based
on his track record.

476
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,080
And Abraham wasn't necessarily a
horror guy, but he was making

477
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,400
solid movies like throughout the
he's into the early 2000s.

478
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,360
This is just like a small sample
of what he had done.

479
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,320
Like there's like at least a
dozen more that he had worked on

480
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,200
as a producer or executive
producer, But he had been like

481
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,960
one of the producers of the
commitments.

482
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,200
He had been a producer on Air
Force One, the one of Harrison

483
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,040
Ford's best roles, like a really
fun kind of find a kind of fun

484
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240
thriller that we don't really
get anymore.

485
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,440
We've been a producer on the
biopic The Hurricane, and he had

486
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,600
helped spirit along bring it on
like the cheerleading movie,

487
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,480
which is, you know, and I think
that's if, you know, I just

488
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,560
listened to a podcast on that
movie recently on the big

489
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,960
picture.
And that's a movie that like the

490
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,640
script and there was like so
many pitches on bringing that to

491
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,920
life and nobody wanted to make
that movie.

492
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,120
And he was one of the ones that
saw something in it and became

493
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,880
like a huge hit and.
It's a huge.

494
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,480
Hit it became a huge franchise.
Yeah, there's like people don't

495
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,480
realize there's like 6 Bring it
on movies.

496
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Like it actually is like a very
fruit, and they're actually

497
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,680
mostly pretty good.
Yeah, that one won't be on the

498
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,040
wheel though, because that is
not a horror movie.

499
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,880
There you go.
Patreon wants to do it for the.

500
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,040
Patreon up them Patreon box guys
and you guys can get the bring

501
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,040
it.
Off on what can do the bring it

502
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,480
on series if we did bring it on
before we did Hellraiser like if

503
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,680
we I did Dale like.
Quit listening.

504
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,520
Yeah.
Dale would implode.

505
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,800
We would lose.
Dale, I also feel like how on

506
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280
brand that would be.
Ari gets I spit on her Gray,

507
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,960
Brian gets Nosferatu.
Devon, you get to bring it on.

508
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,480
You get bring it on.
That would be amazing.

509
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,800
Like that would be.
That would be outstanding.

510
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,840
That's too funny.
We can't do.

511
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,240
We could do anything we want.
Suppose.

512
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:28,240
So now I'm almost going to force
it through now to be like, fuck

513
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,840
it out now.
That's probably not going to

514
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,120
happen.
So although he wasn't a horror

515
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,120
guy like after Dawn of the Dead,
he does go on to executive

516
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,480
produce James Gunn's directing
debut in Slither, which is a

517
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680
movie I think we should cover
for The Patriot.

518
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,920
Because that movie is.
Amazing.

519
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,400
He would go on to be a producer
of films like Children of Men

520
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,480
and also The Last Exorcism,
which is my favorite.

521
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,440
You know what you know me and
Mike love that movie.

522
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,080
I love that movie, so when
that's.

523
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,800
Dead on.
Two film series, so technically

524
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,720
accounts I think we need to
slide it in at some.

525
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,600
Point Whenever.
Yeah, when we can put those two

526
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,920
in between like 2 bigger
franchises or something.

527
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,720
I didn't know there was a second
one.

528
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,200
And there is, there is.
There's a reason you don't know

529
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000
it's a second it's so.
Strange it's not found footage

530
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,560
but the first movie still
happened in universe.

531
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,200
It's very bizarre.
Yeah, All right.

532
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,200
I would say that the the folks
over at Pod Mortem just did an

533
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,440
excellent episode on the 1st
movie.

534
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,480
It was a really fun listen,
really fun listen.

535
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,640
So it was a great to give a
shout out to another show that

536
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,000
you should listen to this first
and then go like, don't turn us

537
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360
off like we need, but go back
and listen to it.

538
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,280
It's great.
So the idea they want to re

539
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,440
envision the story so it feels
familiar, but it it can be

540
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,560
viewed its own thing.
And they cite remakes such as

541
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,040
like 1978's Invasion of the Body
Snatchers, as well as in the

542
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,520
80s.
Like the thing in the fly is

543
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,960
like touch points and
inspirations for what they want

544
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640
to do.
So no pressure, just like we

545
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,960
kind of want to be like 3 of the
greatest remakes in horror movie

546
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,040
history.
No pressure.

547
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,560
No pressure whatsoever.
Well, they're, they're trying to

548
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,480
bring on like the second wave
because again, like, yeah, that

549
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,720
late 70's, the mid is, was when
they were remaking all the 50s

550
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,840
stuff.
And they, I mean, they kind of

551
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,400
did it in a way like get that
second wave going of OK, now

552
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,960
we're remaking the 70s stuff and
doing that now in, in this way.

553
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,760
So I mean, you know, so I mean,
they kind of did it, but like

554
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,840
they, you know, again, not that
this was the first one, but I

555
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,680
mean, as far as if they were
trying to do it in that way.

556
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,240
Because like, it is fascinating
when you look back at the 90s,

557
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,360
there's not like there's like no
remakes except for like, except

558
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
for the Invasion of the Body
Snatchers.

559
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,680
See, see, that was the benefits
of everyone doing cocaine in the

560
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,800
90s.
Lots of original ideas.

561
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Nobody, nobody had, nobody had
time to remake stuff.

562
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,920
But then they'd come around.
So you know, everything always

563
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,080
happens in cycles.
Yes.

564
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,160
When are we going to get to the
2000s remake cycle?

565
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Like the millennial nasty remake
cycle, that's going to be the

566
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,560
same.
Thing too far off honestly, I'd

567
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,920
say by 202032 they're going to
start throwing around, you know,

568
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,760
doing something, I mean, wrong
turn got a head start.

569
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,440
True.
Yep, Yep.

570
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920
It's not too long.
Probably going to be rebooted

571
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,960
now that it's all owned by Lump
House and like Toby.

572
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,720
There's always a way to loop it
all in, guys.

573
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,040
There's always a way.
So I mean, would it shock you if

574
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,760
the next Saw movie is not SAR 11
but like a reboot of the whole

575
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,200
franchise?
I know I feel nervous.

576
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,800
You're that I just upset.
You.

577
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,600
Well, it's been at the back of
my head and when I think about

578
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,440
it, I feel a little sick.
Feel a little nervous?

579
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,920
OK, yeah, Devil's Rejects get a
House of 1000 Corpses getting a

580
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,680
getting a remake.
How could you remake that movie?

581
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,640
That movie is perfect as it is.
I wonder what would you do?

582
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,720
Yes, that's a five star film.
That that's who you could be a

583
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,200
franchise.
We throw in the wheel.

584
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320
There's the.
Firefly family, which is too

585
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,480
hard.
To say there's three of them,

586
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,000
the three of them.
So that's a franchise we could

587
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,760
throw in the wheel.
I like the solid trillion.

588
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,880
I, I don't know, moving on,
moving on to writer James Gunn.

589
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160
He had cut his teeth at Troma
Entertainment.

590
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,840
He had penned the classic Tromeo
and Juliet, which is a personal

591
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,400
favorite of mine.
Probably the version of Romeo

592
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,440
and Juliet that I'm most likely
to pick up and throw on if I

593
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320
wanted to watch Romeo and Juliet
because it's the only one that

594
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,320
is narrated by Lemmy from
Motörhead.

595
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,920
So, you know, I typically will
ask like is, you know, you want

596
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,360
to watch the classic Olivia
Hussey one from the 19, I think

597
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,960
70s.
I'm like, is it narrated by

598
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,800
Lemmy for Motörhead?
And if they say no, then I'm

599
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,520
probably not going to want to
watch it.

600
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Now I'm Baz Luhrmann all day.
Give me a give me.

601
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Lemmy for Motörhead narrate it.
No, but does have John Luizamo

602
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,400
as tibble.
He'd achieved not Lemmy, but

603
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,960
James Gunn had achieved
mainstream success.

604
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,400
It'd be amazing if Lemmy for
Motörhead did write the family

605
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,040
friendly scooby-doo live action
films, which I quite like.

606
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360
The first one I saw I.
Love theater, They're great.

607
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,720
Those are well loved.
I don't know if I've seen them,

608
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,520
but people love those Scooby-doo
movies really a lot, so it must

609
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,520
be good they're.
Fun.

610
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,200
So they're, they, they are
really fun.

611
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,600
We, we actually, me and some
friends, we did a watch party

612
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,600
one night of the first one.
And the thing was everyone, we

613
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,280
just like, bombarded James Gunn
with tweets the whole time we're

614
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,840
watching until he finally would
respond to something.

615
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,120
And but we finally got him
because we were like, what's

616
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,040
that one?
Like we're like, what's up with

617
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,880
those guys in the in the harbor
that like pick up the distress

618
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,760
call and then they like start
maniacally laughing evilly,

619
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800
like, what's their deal?
And then he like said like, oh,

620
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400
it's like, you know, if you look
closely, there's a secret blah,

621
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,639
blah, blah.
I don't know, something like

622
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,040
that.
But like, it was just just

623
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,080
annoying.
Just leave us.

624
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,239
Alone.
Yes, seriously, he was just like

625
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,280
Oh my God, why is my phone
blowing up from these 22 kids

626
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,480
watching Scooby-doo?
That's amazing.

627
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,320
And that is how social media
should be used as to like,

628
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,199
gently harass your favorite
creators while you're enjoying

629
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,320
their work.
Like in a kind and supportive

630
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,000
way.
Not the way that James Gunn was

631
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,840
treated when word broke he was
writing this movie because as

632
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:44,600
you can imagine, a certain type
of horror fan under the, I would

633
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,840
call it the neckbeards, the
terminally online.

634
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,560
They were none too happy about
the writer of Scrappy Doo, like

635
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,000
a guy who brought Scrappy Doo to
the big screen.

636
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,240
They were none too happy of him
being in charge of their like

637
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,920
beloved zombie classic film.
And they bombarded message

638
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,600
boards and were online and they
were very angry about it.

639
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Head geek of aid it cool news
like Harry Knowles and Head

640
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,240
Creeper of the site.
He had gotten his hands on a

641
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,400
draft of the script and he set
fans at ease saying, hey, it

642
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,800
looks really good.
It's a horror movie, you guys

643
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,880
are going to really like it.
And that seemed to get people to

644
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480
tone down a little bit.
So maybe that's the one good

645
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,640
thing Harry Knowles ever did.
I don't know.

646
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,320
Gunn wanted to bring a more
action oriented approach to the

647
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,800
movie.
There were some uncredited

648
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,640
rewrites on the script won by an
Academy Award winner.

649
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Michael, don't call him JRR
Tolkien.

650
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,520
He had won an Academy Award for
The Player, the Tim Robbins film

651
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,880
which is fucking awesome, about
a holiday Hollywood exec that

652
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,800
murders someone accidentally and
is trying to get away with it

653
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,880
and it is like, it's fantastic.
I strongly recommend The Player.

654
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,320
It's not a horror movie, it's
more satire.

655
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,240
Than anything it's.
Great.

656
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,560
Oh, it's so good.
It's really fun.

657
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,160
And also an Academy Award
nominee for script writing in

658
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,800
Scott Frank.
So, you know, you bring me on

659
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,360
some like real talent to like
you said, Devon, like big

660
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,320
budget, giving it some real
writing talent.

661
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Like they're putting their
weight behind this movie.

662
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,160
They want to see it succeed.
Yeah, I mean, you know, a lot of

663
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,840
directors like kind of don't get
this this kind of set up, you

664
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,720
know, but like you said, like
getting a a writer that's like

665
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,800
kind of on a bit of a streak
that the studios trust giving

666
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,920
them a budget and and things
like that.

667
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,640
And, you know, I'm sure the the
budget and the studio is how he

668
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,000
was able to get like such a like
top tier ensemble cast as well.

669
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,600
So I mean, like Snyder was, you
know, kind of set up very nicely

670
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,040
for for success and all this.
The only thing I could think is

671
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,160
like, imagine it for Robert
Eggers.

672
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920
His first movie was Nosferatu,
right?

673
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Like if he got that sort of
budget and playground, like

674
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,280
instead of having like the witch
and the lighthouse and the

675
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,800
Northman behind him, if they're
like you're going to start with

676
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Nosferatu, like that sort they
saw that had that much faith in

677
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,760
him.
Like that's actually pretty.

678
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Happened like well, let's talk
about Zack Snyder.

679
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,000
This is his feature direct, his
feature film direct directing

680
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,880
effort.
He had cut his teeth, as we had

681
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,400
said on music videos for bands
like ZZ Top act like Morrissey.

682
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,960
He was directed commercials like
he did like a pretty famous one

683
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,120
for Budweiser, which features
like the Budweiser horses like

684
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,160
all kind of moving towards the
Ground Zero site that was like a

685
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,440
pretty famous commercial like.
911.

686
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,120
What's that?
Ground Zero.

687
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Yes, yeah.
It's supposed to be one of those

688
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,440
like never forget, you know?
That we did.

689
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,880
We did a lot of weird stuff for
a while.

690
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,480
We really did.
Yeah, I guess we were grieving,

691
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,400
but man, don't make the
Budweiser Clydesdales a part of

692
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,160
it.
I guess we did.

693
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,200
They could have been sad.
I mean, you don't know.

694
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,320
They could have known.
You're right, I don't know.

695
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,400
I don't know how horses grieve.
That's true.

696
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,320
Who am I to say?
So I don't know, you know, I

697
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,360
know like when my wife and
daughter for the UK, like my

698
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,960
pets get very sad for a month.
Like they're like, where are

699
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,000
they?
So, you know, they grieve in

700
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,760
their own way.
And then when they come back,

701
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,680
they get all excited.
So who knows what the Clydesdale

702
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,200
horses were?
Who knows?

703
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,280
You're right.
I don't know.

704
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,000
I'm going to find that
commercial that's.

705
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,400
Got awkward there, so that's OK.
No, I tend to make things

706
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,080
awkward.
I'm just.

707
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Floored by the idea even though
I lived through that era.

708
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,800
I'm like a beer commercial with
9/11 Ground Zero.

709
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,360
It just sounds wired now.
I'm going to have to look it.

710
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Up.
It makes sense when you think

711
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,160
about like who the target
audience is.

712
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,040
Absolutely.
Wiser.

713
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Do you know what I mean like
that?

714
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,360
Easy to forget how much weird
stuff we were doing for a bit.

715
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Exactly.
You know you 100% agree.

716
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Like, it was like, there's a
sketch comedy troupe out of

717
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,800
Boston that my friends belong to
that was really funny.

718
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,320
And they had a sketch that was
like a never forget sketch.

719
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,760
And like this guy going
throughout his whole day and

720
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,280
some weird postcard keeps
following him.

721
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,240
And at the end he picks it up
and it says like 911 never

722
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,400
forget.
And he's like, I almost forgot.

723
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,200
It just tickled me.
And it was just like, really

724
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600
bizarre.
But that's neither here nor

725
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,520
there.
Right.

726
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,880
Snyder had almost made his debut
as a director of feature films

727
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,400
on the movie SWAT, but he
clashed with Sony Pictures over

728
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400
the rating.
Like, he wanted our rating, and

729
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,880
Sony wanted, like, a PG13
rating.

730
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,760
So he decided to step aside from
that.

731
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,280
And I guess I'll leave it open
to both of you.

732
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,280
Devon is coming back in.
So pause.

733
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,280
And I'll say I guess I'll leave
it open to both of you.

734
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,360
Like, what do we feel about Zack
Snyder as a director?

735
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,680
I mean, I've I like Zack Snyder
as a director.

736
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,640
I mean, I'll say like, I think
one of the most just ridiculous

737
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,680
things that film bro society has
done is the kind of the

738
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,920
treatment of Zack Snyder like,
you know, like you said,

739
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,840
regardless, like what you feel
about him as a film.

740
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,520
Like, I think it was kind of
ridiculous the way he was, you

741
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,880
know, bullied for making super a
superhero movie The way that

742
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,160
people don't want.
And like all the things he had

743
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,920
to go go through in that while
like grieving like a dead child

744
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,480
at the time to like, like the
things that the Internet put

745
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,360
Zack Snyder through, I think is
still very unfair.

746
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,600
But then of course, like then it
also then gets overcorrected

747
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
where you have the the Snyder
fans and like, you know, they

748
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,280
just never shut up about the
Snyder Cut, which they did get

749
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,680
to happen.
If only we can get the air cut

750
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,440
people to shut up like jeez
Louise.

751
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,880
Smaller.
Group so I don't know there was

752
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,360
like this very I think a big
mistreatment of him, but then

753
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,960
also then this this
overcorrection as well.

754
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Even if you don't enjoy his
style of film and everything,

755
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,520
it's very specific.
Like Zack Snyder, he's kind of

756
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,440
like the more chill version of
Michael Bay, like just like a

757
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,280
slightly cooler he.
And he's also the unproblematic

758
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,080
one.
He's not the dictator on set

759
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,240
that Michael Bay is apparently,
you know, So like very kind of

760
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,160
similar in that way.
But even if you don't enjoy a

761
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,640
style, I think when you watch
either of their types of films,

762
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,960
you kind of have to respect like
how much brain power it manages

763
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,080
to like direct these huge, like,
you know, big scale types of

764
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,840
movies that he does, merging
these different, you know,

765
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,120
practical and digital effects,
like these big sets, all these

766
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,160
extras, this scale that I think
it's rather impressive

767
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,880
regardless if you like his
movies or not.

768
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,120
But like, hey, I'm a sucker
punch defender.

769
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,320
So like I I, you know, I'm a
Snyder guy in some form.

770
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,880
I guess you, you saw what the
studio saw in his technical

771
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,120
prowess.
And then regardless of how you

772
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,720
feel of of him as a storyteller
going forward, that's another

773
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,360
thing.
But I mean, as far as like, just

774
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,320
like as a technical filmmaking
director, I think it's kind of

775
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,080
undeniable that he has a lot of
talent.

776
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Yeah I totally agree.
I really need to watch Sucker

777
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,640
Punch one day it looks like it's
going to be exactly my thing and

778
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,560
I just have never seen it.
I really love 300 though.

779
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,760
Like I unironically enjoy 300 so
much.

780
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,760
I completely agree with you
Devon.

781
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,440
I think the action scenes in
this film are so like this is

782
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,320
top tier action and I feel like
action movie heads should watch

783
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
this movie and see what they
think about it.

784
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,480
I feel like because it's in the
horror genre, I might get a

785
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,120
little bit ignored, but the
direction of the action scenes

786
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,600
of this movie alone gives Snyder
his flowers for that.

787
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,240
And when I realized, like the
slow motion bullets remind me of

788
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,720
some of the things in 300, like
when there's slow motion things

789
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,360
happening in there and you can
see a through line, at least in

790
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,280
those two movies of his work.
And so I like him as a director.

791
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,720
So I'm kind of in the middle.
I think that unlike a lot of

792
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:30,400
directors in our era, that he
does have his own visual style.

793
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,840
Like you can pick out a Zack
Snyder film.

794
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,960
I think especially, you know, a
few years later, we're going to

795
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,400
have like the Marvel Cinematic
Universe, like start to rear its

796
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,480
head.
And if that did one thing in the

797
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,560
from like 2008 to like where
we're at now is they would hire

798
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,640
these great directors that would
have their own visual style and

799
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,000
palette and like their own
distinct look to them.

800
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,080
And then they would try to strip
all of those things away and

801
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,560
make them fit within the their
own sandbox.

802
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,120
And you saw that happen not just
with Marvel, but other only

803
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,080
certain kinds of movie got made.
And you saw like a lot of, I

804
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,680
want to say like tourism, but
you had like a lot of visual

805
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,760
flair and style stripped away
for over a decade.

806
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,120
And that has not been Zack
Snyder.

807
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,360
Like you can tell the way he
shoots action, the use of slow

808
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,200
motion, he does have have a
tendency to sometimes use some

809
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,960
of the lens flares that we see
with JJ Abrams.

810
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,480
He's really good at directing
like hero shots I would say.

811
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Like you see that even early on
here, there's a couple visuals

812
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,200
that are really, really
striking.

813
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,840
I think as a director, he does a
fairly fantastic job of making a

814
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,800
good looking movie.
Where I have criticism of him as

815
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,800
a filmmaker is his like his
storytelling.

816
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,280
I don't think you know, when he
are handed iconic characters

817
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,800
like Batman and Superman,
there's a a world that they

818
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,200
exist in.
And it wasn't he just wasn't

819
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,240
interested at all in playing in
that world.

820
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,400
He was almost the equivalent of
a kid picking his action figures

821
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,320
and smashing them together at
times like Superman and, you

822
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,040
know, watch.
And I'd argue that's kind of a

823
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,760
good thing.
But that's for a whole nother

824
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,480
pie.
So I thought.

825
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,440
I thought I.
Would argue that it's not a good

826
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,400
thing though, when like Superman
is like watching millions of

827
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,800
people get killed in Metropolis
and being like meh or like

828
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,480
Batman with a gun murdering
rooms full of thugs.

829
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,440
Like that's it just displays
like a fundamental

830
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,280
misunderstanding of those
characters, which it looks good.

831
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,760
They look very, very good.
Like the trailer for Man of

832
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Steel is incredible.
I just wish we got that movie

833
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,160
having a paw Kent that is like
maybe people should die and you

834
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,040
should be a secret.
It's like, oh, that doesn't sit

835
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,000
right.
I did like his extended Justice

836
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,640
League.
I was kind of surprised when I

837
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,520
watched it how much I enjoyed
it.

838
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,480
It felt like he maybe pulled
back a little bit from the

839
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,120
things that didn't work.
I think you're right, Devon is

840
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,800
he catches a lot of shit because
of his very rabid fan base.

841
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,960
Like he I did like one thing
when there was the whole

842
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,200
kerfuffle about like the Batman
animated show where he and

843
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,720
Catwoman are in a relationship
and they would not let and it's

844
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,760
an R rated adult show and
they're like, you can't have

845
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,960
Batman in an animated form going
down on Catwoman.

846
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Like Batman wouldn't do that.
And then Snyder posted a picture

847
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,160
online of like Batman going down
Like that to me is like, I'm

848
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,240
here for it.
Like, yeah, that's the kind of

849
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:44,200
stuff that, you know, that to me
is less egregious than Batman

850
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,280
with like a semi automatic rifle
mowing down a room full of

851
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,280
thugs.
But he's cheeky like that in

852
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,840
your right.
He's not a problematic

853
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,920
filmmaker.
People seem to really like to

854
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,440
work with him.
It's that his like, there's a

855
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,520
sense of entitlement with his
fan base that makes it really

856
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,400
hard.
And I don't think he encourages

857
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,640
it.
I don't think he goes out of his

858
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,200
way to necessarily sick the
attack dogs on people.

859
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,840
I just think that this is how
they are.

860
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,800
And for a while, like, a lot of
that bad behavior seem to be

861
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,200
getting rewarded.
When they announced the Snyder

862
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,320
Cut, they're like, see, we told
you there was one.

863
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,520
It was finished.
He still needed like 70 million

864
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,720
to finish the movie.
Like that's not a finished

865
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,440
movie.
Well, I enjoyed it.

866
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Well, and then the, but then and
what we kind of see now too is

867
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,000
like, you know, the studios and
like a specifically Netflix, you

868
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,320
know, they see the, the business
that brings in with the

869
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,720
conversation of people talking
about a Snyder film or whatever.

870
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480
So they're like, yeah, fuck it,
we'll give Snyder all the money

871
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,640
he wants and let him make his 2
1/2, you know, 3 1/2 hour long

872
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,800
epic movies and bullshit.
And they're willing to indulge

873
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,080
him, which then feeds into the
the fans passions.

874
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,880
And again, somehow gets
reflected back on Snyder when

875
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,000
it's like, at the end of the
day, hey, Snyder's just a guy

876
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,960
that like, yeah, he's kind of
like, you know, he grinded in

877
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,920
the music video and he's just
like, hey, I get to, like you

878
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,480
said, I get to play with my
toys, you know, and like, you

879
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,440
know, like, and there's nothing,
you know, kind of wrong in that.

880
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,680
As far as, again, some of the
the vitriol that Snyder gets in,

881
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,520
it's like, again, you think he
was like some sort of bad guy or

882
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,440
something.
We, we, we spent a lot of time

883
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,280
talking about that with, with
the conversation around Zack

884
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,640
Krieger lately with Weapons.
We talked a lot about that

885
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,320
Inspector Cinema Club, the way
that people kind of grow these

886
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,000
resentments towards directors
when it's really not their

887
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,600
faults in a way, whether it be
due to what the studios are kind

888
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,680
of putting out, what the fans
are kind of responding.

889
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,080
But as far as like your
storytelling was talking about,

890
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,800
I think it really works in this.
This gave me vibes of agree.

891
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,400
This gave me vibes of a Robert
Rodriguez directing Tarantino's

892
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,880
script from from Del Sol Dawn.
You know, like early on, it

893
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,160
takes somebody that has a really
good hand.

894
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,040
And, you know, I think maybe
Zack Snyder's films are

895
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,520
different.
You know, if he, you know, spent

896
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,080
more time directing other
people's scripts rather than

897
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,360
kind of leaning into his own,
you know, he could could have a

898
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,520
different type of trajectory.
But hey, I'd say he's happy

899
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,920
where he's at right now.
You're saying like Robert

900
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,000
Rodriguez?
I'm thinking like Tony Scott

901
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,640
directing True Romance, which is
1 of Tarantino's early scripts.

902
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,560
So that is one of I love.
Tony Scott.

903
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,640
I don't like that movie though.
OK, fairpoint, I love never.

904
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Seen that, but I don't like
that.

905
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,320
Movie.
I love that movie.

906
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,560
It's a lot of fun.
One of Christian Slater's like

907
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,440
better performances.
It's not for everybody, so.

908
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,800
I know who to agree with, so
they do.

909
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,480
Film in a mall and they actually
use a real shopping mall.

910
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,320
There was a massive search for
like a defunct or soon to be

911
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,400
demolished mall.
So the Thornhill Square Mall in

912
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,320
Toronto stands in from
Milwaukee, WI.

913
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,040
The production team did build a
number of structures including

914
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,320
new storefronts and they all
have fake names because there's

915
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,440
only like 2 actual real branded
companies.

916
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,080
That said, yeah you're OK to use
our our name and our logo in

917
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,480
your picture?
It's over like a 45,000 square

918
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,640
foot structure.
They add a ton to it.

919
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,920
They also add like a site just
off just off site.

920
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,800
They add a facility where they
can the effects team and the

921
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,680
make up artists can like make up
like hundreds of extras at a

922
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,800
time.
We'll talk about the cast.

923
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,480
Maybe we get more into the
movie, but I would say like it's

924
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,320
a top notch cast here of people
that we either are familiar or

925
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,800
are going to be very familiar to
us like very soon.

926
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Special effects, Well, we don't
have like Tom Savini or K&B for

927
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,880
this go around.
They are in the very capable

928
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,320
hands of David Leroy Anderson.
He was a protege of Rick Baker

929
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,280
and he had won two Academy
Awards alongside his mentor for

930
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Men in Black and the Nutty
Professor.

931
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,320
He had also worked on the Elm
Street series where he would

932
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,320
meet his future wife, Heather
Lingham Camp and they're still

933
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,720
together and she's listed in the
credits as like one of the on

934
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,040
the production team as well.
Yeah.

935
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,760
And she's this was in her like
like ever since like kind of

936
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,600
like the mid 90s, she had been
working a lot in effects.

937
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,360
And yeah, they can, I think they
are still run their effects

938
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,760
house to this day together so.
I love that.

939
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,480
That's so sweet.
It really is.

940
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,280
It really is.
I noted 1 innovation that he did

941
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,120
here in that he pulled off head
shots a bit differently than

942
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,240
most practical effects persons
did the time.

943
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,560
Like folks were relying on
squibs under prosthetics and

944
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,280
that could be, not sure if it's
like a full safety risk, but it

945
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,200
could be painful for the
performer because you have this

946
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,320
thing that's basically exploding
on your head.

947
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,400
And if it didn't go off
properly, if like the prosthetic

948
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,240
covered too much of it, it could
cause some damage.

949
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,080
So he developed an air ratchet
system that was controlled by

950
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,520
remote and the wires would then
pull the prosthetic off with

951
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,560
this capsule filled with fake
blood.

952
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,480
And they found, like, that was a
way safer way to go, like less

953
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,080
painful for folks.
Oh, that's cool.

954
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,520
Yeah.
Do they?

955
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,560
I wonder if that still gets
used.

956
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,000
Well, now that everything's CGI.
But like if he invented that, I

957
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,320
wonder if that carried on into
other films.

958
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,840
I don't know.
That's.

959
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Super cool, but you figure if
it's in it's probably a little

960
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560
bit more expensive way to go
than a squib.

961
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,640
So it probably boils down to
like budget.

962
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,240
Yeah.
You know who would appreciate

963
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,080
this degree of engineering?
John Kramer.

964
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
John Kramer.
You told him about this

965
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,920
invention.
He'd be like, oh, that's really,

966
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:49,000
that's really creative.
I can use that.

967
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,240
He would.
Except people didn't get hurt

968
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,920
and in Kramer's traps.
Oh, that's true.

969
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,200
It's more.
Sometimes he wants to fake

970
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,120
someone getting hurt and that's
true.

971
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,400
Do you think John Kramer and
Cosmo Kramer of Seinfeld are

972
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,280
related?
No.

973
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,440
No, no.
If they were, he would, he would

974
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,480
have killed that.
If that was his cousin, he would

975
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,280
have killed them by now.
There's no way.

976
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,840
Yeah.
By the end, like Kramer is

977
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,880
really diabolical.
Like Kramer is well.

978
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,480
Isn't Toby Bell in Seinfeld?
In one episode, he.

979
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,400
Is he is definitely in an
episode?

980
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920
So I think, I think that's the
linchpin.

981
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,680
I think that's how we know.
You can't have a doppelganger.

982
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,240
Can't do it.
No.

983
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:38,400
OK, well the film Dawn of the
Dead is released March 19th,

984
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,720
2004 and it's a huge hit.
On a budget of 2526 million, it

985
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,200
pulls in over 100 million
worldwide.

986
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,320
It's released the same day as
the Jim Carrey sci-fi romance

987
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,240
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless
Mind.

988
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,640
One of my favorite movies.
What a weekend for Cinema I.

989
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,160
Need to rewatch that.
I had such a good movie.

990
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,680
We were just we used to be a
country that made really great

991
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,320
movies.
I mean, we still make some great

992
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,080
movies, but.
I I really enjoyed that the

993
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,280
2000s was like, they do this on
purpose, like the, the counter

994
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,200
programming a lot more often.
Like we don't really see that.

995
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,560
And like I, I love how like
everyone was surprised when like

996
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,800
Barbenheimer was a thing.
And it's like, well, yeah, we

997
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,640
used to do counter programming
like releases all the time.

998
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,920
You release something crazy and
gory and then release it, you

999
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,920
know, alongside something
completely different.

1000
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,480
So I bet it worked out for both
films.

1001
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,440
I feel like you could have had a
freaky weapons where you had

1002
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,440
like freaky fracky and weapons
on the same day.

1003
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,880
I think you could have like tied
those two in maybe a little bit

1004
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,240
Better Together.
Yeah, there's like when you I

1005
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,520
think Barb and Heimer like when
you see now examples of that

1006
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,720
like it's 2 studios pairing
together and marketing it not

1007
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,320
just like a Sly.
Hey, that just happened.

1008
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,440
Yeah.
The Internet will that one into

1009
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,760
existence, which is pretty dope.
Yeah, so it does beat its

1010
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,160
initial projections by about
5,000,000 by making 27,000,000

1011
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,760
like the opening weekend alone.
And it overtook another zombie

1012
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,800
movie as the box office champ.
It beats out The Passion of the

1013
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Christ, which is a different
sort of zombie movie in way.

1014
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Gorier.
And bloodier, I mean.

1015
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,960
That's an interesting take,
Mike.

1016
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,680
I mean, they're making a sequel
and I think the sequel is

1017
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,440
supposed that's going to be the
true zombie movie.

1018
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Is it?
I just get the feeling it's

1019
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
going to be like Jesus with a
gun, you know, like.

1020
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,680
Probably.
Let's arm Jesus.

1021
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,640
That would be something else So
and Jim is it Jim Cassavelli he

1022
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,160
he has gone off the deep end.
That man is there is something

1023
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,240
wrong with him.
Anyway, I am aside from casting

1024
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:54,920
aspersions on folks moving on,
Universal was going to release

1025
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,360
the spoof movie Shaun of the
Dead not too long after Dawn of

1026
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,800
the Dead.
And they actually only agreed to

1027
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,240
distribute the film if Dawn of
the Dead came up first.

1028
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:08,760
Which to me makes sense because
if you release Shawn of the Dead

1029
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,320
1st and it's this wonderful,
funny, charming spoof of zombie

1030
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,280
movies, and then you have Dawn
of the Dead, which is a lot of

1031
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,640
things, but like, funny is not
one of them.

1032
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,120
It's a very serious film.
I think that it would have died

1033
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,680
at the box office.
I mean, I think it's the spoofs,

1034
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,200
I mean, I think, I mean not even
just for the tone aspect, I

1035
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,760
think it just makes sense that
it's like if you're going to

1036
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,680
watch a spoof, it's because like
spoofs hit harder when you can

1037
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,720
appreciate, you know, what it's
coming from.

1038
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,480
So like, I think it just makes
more sense in that angle.

1039
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,880
And so that way people like kind
of have even if they like aren't

1040
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,280
re watching the Romero 1 before
Shaun of the Dead, they'll see

1041
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,320
this and it'll still kind of be
like a little like, oh, OK.

1042
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,520
A reminder of the tropes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1043
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,240
I agree.
So made a like 106 million

1044
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,160
worldwide.
You got to figure it made at

1045
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:06,320
least that on DVD as well.
Like at 1520 bucks a pop and

1046
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,800
then you do the Blu-ray of it
like.

1047
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,600
Those few.
Years like it was something that

1048
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,200
it hit me like it was again
listening to a different show

1049
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,400
the other day they were talking
about Anchorman like making 100

1050
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,200
million at the same year as this
2004 if I remember because it's

1051
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,760
a year before a 40 year old
virgin so.

1052
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,560
I mean, they were also plant.
They they were even planting the

1053
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,200
seeds themselves.
How one of the guys in this

1054
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,960
movie is like, I sell TV's at
Best Buy.

1055
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,800
Yes.
You know, so where you're going

1056
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,400
to go get your DVDs?
Like they were already

1057
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,720
subliminally putting it into the
movie.

1058
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,400
So yeah, it had to have done
well.

1059
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,280
It I remember it had its own
wall in Blockbuster.

1060
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,120
It would have been amazing if
that if you had a horror fan of

1061
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,480
this wearing like a Dawn of the
Dead T-shirt.

1062
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,160
Like, yeah, the moon.
And you could kind of do that

1063
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,680
because you could be like, hey,
we should hole up in a mall.

1064
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,040
Like that would be a good place
to go hole up.

1065
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Like it actually would be one of
the rare cases where referencing

1066
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,320
it would make sense.
Yeah.

1067
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,240
I mean, Anchorman made 100
million in at the box office and

1068
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,280
then another 100 million in
DVDs.

1069
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,040
It's so weird to me that studios
gave that up for streaming.

1070
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,680
Like, let's sell the rights to
like Netflix or Prime for

1071
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,120
pennies on the dollar.
And we're not going to get any

1072
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,600
of this like extra revenue from
physical media.

1073
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,480
And then they've come out with
their own streaming services,

1074
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,240
which lose a ton of money.
Like, there's not many streaming

1075
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,800
services that are actually
profitable.

1076
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,120
And unless they have like
venture capitalists propping

1077
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,200
them up, like they tend to do
pretty poorly.

1078
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,080
Like, it's so weird.
We would have given all of that

1079
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:45,760
up.
It's just.

1080
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,680
Because we live in a day now
where a media C also rules out

1081
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,440
for a lot of people like,
because like back back in these

1082
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,040
days, it's like, you know, it
would run for, you know, like

1083
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,360
get a nice, you know, month
long, month and a half long run

1084
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,800
in the theaters.
And then you had to wait like 6

1085
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,640
to 8 months before it was on
physical media.

1086
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,600
Like, don't get me wrong, I
think it's cool now that we kind

1087
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,160
of get like stuff on like
Blu-ray like a month after it

1088
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,560
comes out in theaters.
I mean, from a collector, that's

1089
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,120
nice.
But at the same time, it's like,

1090
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,960
you know, they used to build
that anticipation for and that's

1091
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,200
why sold so hot, you know?
So it's like people just don't

1092
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,120
have the patience.
You know, they're just like, OK,

1093
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,920
what's going to make us the
money now, not what's going to

1094
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:32,520
make us the money in a year.
I think that also cuts down on

1095
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,960
studios taking a risk like this,
like you said, like giving a

1096
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,720
first time director 26,000,000
to make a movie like this.

1097
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,880
Because in the back of their
head, like if they're doing math

1098
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,320
on a napkin, they're like, well
if we make X amount in a

1099
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,480
theater, we can probably make
that same amount selling copies

1100
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,960
of the movie as well.
And then we'll be totally fine.

1101
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,880
Like we'll recoup the cost for
now.

1102
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,440
There's kind of less of a chance
to do that.

1103
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,160
So you're less prone to take the
risk.

1104
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,880
Yeah, and a lot of people are
like, why would I buy a DVD when

1105
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,000
they're streaming?
And yeah.

1106
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,080
And then when it goes away and
it's not streaming anymore,

1107
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,680
Yeah.
And I love when people say a

1108
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,880
movie's not streaming, but it
is.

1109
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,240
You just have to pay $3 to rent
it.

1110
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,960
Right.
And it's there.

1111
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Are movies I want to watch that
I legit cannot pay to find and

1112
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,240
that is distressing to me.
That's when it's when it

1113
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,680
completely goes away, yeah.
Like, and that's how I end up

1114
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,800
blind buying used DVDs from
Joe's Movie, closet.com or

1115
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,480
whatever because I'm like, I
need to watch this movie and

1116
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,480
it's nowhere.
I will literally drive like on a

1117
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,920
day off.
Like there's like a used Blu-ray

1118
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,280
boutique shop and some used
bookstores.

1119
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,560
And stuff like.
I will drive 90 minutes to like,

1120
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,480
you know, and make a day of it,
like do some like your store.

1121
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,440
And to me, that's like a really
fun way to spend the afternoon.

1122
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,720
That is fun.
I will literally do stuff like

1123
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,840
that.
I did that recently where I

1124
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,200
drove to like a store, what I
thought was a store that had

1125
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,880
used Blu rays and it ended up
being closing down like a month

1126
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,760
before and becoming a pottery
store.

1127
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,880
And they had an updated their
website.

1128
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,400
And that 90 minutes I spent in
the drive was like still better

1129
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,000
than watching Survival of the
Dead for this show, I have to be

1130
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,720
very honest with you.
Like it was still better time

1131
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,840
spent.
The last thing I have here for

1132
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,760
like the background.
Just what did George Romero

1133
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,240
himself think of the remake?
Because obviously he's going to

1134
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,120
have some thoughts on it and he
was mixed on it.

1135
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,720
But to be fair, he was probably
kinder than some other film

1136
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,080
makers had been as like they had
seen their works remade.

1137
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,040
He did praise the opening
sequence, feeling that it was

1138
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,040
like, very, very exciting,
really well done.

1139
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,280
But he believed that like the
movie lacked a purpose and to

1140
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,240
him it felt more like a video
game.

1141
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,720
So I pulled up a pair of quotes.
One was from Time Out and I

1142
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:07,520
believe the second was from
Total Film, where when asked

1143
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,360
about the remake in like 2013,
he says it was better than I

1144
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,040
expected.
I thought it was a good action

1145
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,480
film.
The 1st 1520 minutes are

1146
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,840
terrific, but it's sort of lost
its reason for being.

1147
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,040
It was more of a video game.
And then he was asked again

1148
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,760
later on he repeated that
sentiment but went a little bit

1149
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,520
deeper into his reasoning.
I sort of thought it lost its

1150
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,520
reason for being basically
because I was using the idea for

1151
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,480
satire.
My film needed to be done right

1152
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,360
when it was done because that
sort of shopping mall was

1153
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,480
completely new.
It was the first one in

1154
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,200
Pennsylvania that we had ever
seen.

1155
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,920
The heart of the story is based
in that, and I didn't think the

1156
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,040
remake had it, which it's a fair
criticism from Romero.

1157
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:59,120
But I think it also there's the
idea that you don't necessarily

1158
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,360
have to make the movie for the
same reasons, and storytellers

1159
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,400
should be able to do what they
want and not what we expect of

1160
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,760
them.
Yeah, I mean, I'd rather him

1161
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,680
just not do it then rather than
him do something and it not work

1162
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,840
out because like he does maybe
again, like wasn't going for any

1163
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,720
sort of idea satire.
So it's like, I'd rather just be

1164
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,240
like, well, I'm just not do it.
So I mean, I think that makes

1165
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,560
sense.
So like, I don't know, I don't

1166
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,400
find that's like silly, a bit
silly, because that's like,

1167
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,360
well, it sounds like you just
want to hear your movie again,

1168
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,760
like, and it's like, that's kind
of not the point of a remake,

1169
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,760
you know?
Like the point is to do

1170
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,600
something different, George.
So I don't know, I mean, I I get

1171
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,880
where he's going, but funny
enough, if he thinks that about

1172
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,480
this movie, then I would
definitely love to hear what you

1173
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,280
thought about Army of the Day,
because that movie is a video

1174
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,560
game.
And it's also Snyder attempting

1175
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,800
to like be deep and have like,
yeah, some emotional stuff.

1176
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,720
So it's like, you know, as far
as that goes, I think he would

1177
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,000
then retroactively maybe
appreciate this a little bit

1178
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,360
more.
I need to see Army of the Dead.

1179
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,120
I haven't seen it.
I'll save my thoughts for the

1180
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,000
end.
I did watch it after afterwards

1181
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,080
and and because I think it is a
kind of an interesting full

1182
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,400
circle going from his first
movie and then his circling back

1183
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,160
around.
I remember almost nothing about

1184
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,520
that movie.
I watch it when it came out.

1185
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,160
We watch it once on like a
family movie night and then

1186
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,480
haven't really given it any
thought since then.

1187
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,680
So I don't know, let's talk
about this movie now.

1188
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Let's talk about our thoughts on
Dawn of the Dead and Weird.

1189
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,440
I think maybe we should start
with the opening sequence that

1190
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,200
first like 15 minutes, because
as far as I'm concerned it's

1191
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:50,800
pretty close to.
Perfect.

1192
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,400
It is really great.
First get I love in any type of

1193
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,920
outbreak movie, when you see
little bit slowly starting, I'm

1194
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,760
like, that's so scary to me.
It's like when a roller coaster

1195
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,560
is going up the hill before it
drops.

1196
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,600
And so starting in the hospital
with, you know, there's there's

1197
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,640
these weird sicknesses that
we're not sure what to do with

1198
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,600
and then she goes home and home
is comfortable and calm and nice

1199
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,640
and she has a cute little
neighbor friend and she's roller

1200
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,600
skating and then the cute little
neighbor friend comes and rips

1201
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:26,000
her husband's neck out.
It's just like a perfect 180 to

1202
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,960
something scary.
I mean, I like how in this like

1203
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,680
cuz yes, as far as like hitting
certain zombie tropes, like I

1204
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,320
think this is one of the better
outbreak scenes in in a zombie

1205
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,920
film.
Like I think it is a very well

1206
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,400
choreographed, like you said,
that the pace at which it occurs

1207
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,280
is very interesting.
And but I think the best part

1208
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,320
here is like we don't get like
the inciting, like we're

1209
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,960
watching the the humans dump
toxins into the river or like,

1210
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,240
oh, hey, look, it's somebody got
bit by that thing or like

1211
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,960
whatever.
Like we it's just like who

1212
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,840
knows, Like it just some, some
it got out there somehow.

1213
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,160
Like, we don't really know
exactly where or how, and the

1214
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:13,480
movie isn't really caught up in
kind of going deep into that.

1215
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,160
There's like, hey, doesn't
matter.

1216
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,000
Like how it got here, Like it's
happening now and we need to

1217
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,080
deal with it.
Yeah, Devon, I know you

1218
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,760
mentioned 28 Days Later earlier
in this movie being on par with

1219
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,440
it, and I think both of them
have very fascinating opening

1220
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,840
set pieces, but for different
reasons.

1221
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,760
Where Danny Boyle's film, it
luxuriates in this quiet in like

1222
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,720
gyms and solitude, and there's
this sense of unease that

1223
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,560
permeates it.
I mean, we do see the inciting

1224
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,800
incident with the rage zombies,
but then you go to like a

1225
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:55,040
completely empty London and
you're feeling unease because

1226
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,880
you know this can't last
forever, but you don't know when

1227
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,200
the shit's going to hit the fan.
And what I love here, it's

1228
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,960
spider thing.
It does a couple very cool

1229
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,320
things visually.
He has that overhead shot of the

1230
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,280
neighborhood of like the
suburban cul de sacs.

1231
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,280
And it's this visual cue that,
you know, in our own way, like

1232
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,280
we are zombies going through
life, we are our own hordes.

1233
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,520
Like those homes are all sort of
packed in.

1234
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,520
There is a sameness to all of
the homes as well.

1235
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,560
Like we're packed into these
suburban neighborhoods and we've

1236
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,240
given up individual identity.
And that carries over now into

1237
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,880
death where we have these
zombies that all pretty much

1238
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,280
have the same purpose.
Like they want to do one thing

1239
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,000
is they want to feed and they
amass together and they're

1240
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,480
danger.
Not only are they fast, but the

1241
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,040
danger in them is the number of
them.

1242
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:53,040
Like there are hundreds if not
thousands of them in one

1243
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,560
clustered area and you can't get
away.

1244
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,120
And it's such a neat little
visual cue right at the start,

1245
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,360
before anything bad has even
happened.

1246
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,880
I think the choice of this being
set in Milwaukee is very

1247
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,040
interesting and specific because
it's like, I feel like that's

1248
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,360
like kind of like the perfect
like sample of America because

1249
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,680
like Milwaukee, it's like it's
smaller than most big cities,

1250
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,760
but it's still bigger than most
small cities, you know?

1251
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,359
And like, so it's like in as far
as like, you know, you know,

1252
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,640
income median and everything is
like, I'm very, you know, in the

1253
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,080
middle.
So it's like I I feel like

1254
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,760
that's a very specific type of
place to like kind of yeah, show

1255
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,840
this being a, you know, all
zombie movies are a slice of

1256
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,359
life movie, literally and
figuratively when you think

1257
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,600
about it.
And so like getting this one and

1258
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,680
also being different than 28
days later, obviously 28 days

1259
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:52,479
have passed in that movie versus
a day one ground 0 outbreak is

1260
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,640
always slightly different.
And like that's where you get

1261
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,200
like how the kinetic immediacy
and like I really like showing

1262
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,040
like how fast it can start from
just like 1 little incident to

1263
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,319
then spreading throughout the
city.

1264
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:08,080
And you like get like that, like
camera pan out and just like

1265
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,960
kind of see it like fanning out,
like the chaos of it all.

1266
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,000
It's a very Again, well done
visually.

1267
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,800
Has an opening similar to Shaun
of the dead as well.

1268
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,240
Like are you mentioned like at
the hospital, how Anna is like

1269
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,920
hearing all these little
snippets like, well, why is this

1270
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,359
person getting a neurological
exam for like a bite in their

1271
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:32,600
arm?
Like that's already signed

1272
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,720
number one and like.
Having infections without

1273
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,840
fevers.
Like she was like, wait, it's

1274
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,359
like what this?
Everybody being like worked to

1275
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:43,840
the point of exhaustion.
She turns on like the car radio

1276
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,240
on the way home and there's like
the start of a news bulletin.

1277
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,399
And now she switches over
thinking it's no big deal.

1278
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,840
And you see that and Shaun of
the Dead as well, where Shaun

1279
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,080
sees like that first day of the
outbreak is happening, like he

1280
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,120
sees someone when he's
travelling on the bus that looks

1281
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,800
like he's biting the head off a
bird.

1282
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,840
There's the zombie that's
howling outside the pub.

1283
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,160
There's the way that when he's
hungover, he walks to the store.

1284
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:13,880
And it mirrors the scene from
the day before, except that now,

1285
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,280
like, the world's gone to shit.
And you have both of them, you

1286
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,240
know, similar, similar messaging
done here, but the tone is so

1287
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,640
much different where this one
feels ominous right from jump

1288
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,280
street, like, you know,
something bad is about to

1289
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,560
happen.
And I just I just love how that

1290
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,360
play.
And it wastes no time in getting

1291
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:37,680
there when Anna starts to like
her neighbor getting plowed by

1292
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,280
that truck after he refuses to
help her.

1293
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,720
Like how quick, you know, they
obviously know one another.

1294
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,680
They're not neighbors that have
never met before.

1295
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,160
And he can see that she's not
bothered, but he's not going to

1296
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,640
help her.
Like if anything he's going to

1297
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,600
murder her and cold blood.
The crazy hell yeah, quick.

1298
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,080
People like turn on each other
and like, yeah, she's in her

1299
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,160
driveway and he's approaching
her going get back, Anna.

1300
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,960
I'm like, wait, get back.
She's in a right.

1301
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,720
Yard her house.
And just having that moment or

1302
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,800
those few moments the night
before where, like, her and her

1303
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,840
husband are, like, watching TV
and bed together and showering

1304
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,880
together.
And like, it's very peaceful for

1305
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:21,240
her to wake up the next morning.
And he has not only been killed,

1306
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,840
but he's been turned into a
zombie that's about to, like,

1307
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,520
try to eat her.
Like, you can get a sense for

1308
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,560
what she's lost.
And I do love the moment when

1309
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,320
he's, like, chasing the car, see
someone come out of their house

1310
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,040
and just, like, turns and goes
after her.

1311
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,240
Like, that's.
Yeah.

1312
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,280
That's something we haven't
really seen in any of these

1313
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,320
movies, like the ability to kind
of change direction on a dime

1314
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,960
because like a new target has
appeared on the horizon.

1315
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,680
It's quicker and easier to get
to.

1316
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,040
Like that's something new.
Zombies are hunters in this

1317
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,040
movie.
Yeah, and I know how I feel

1318
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,280
about it, but Johnny Cash's use
of the man comes around like,

1319
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:01,960
what do we think?
It's correct.

1320
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,000
It's it's the correct time for
that song.

1321
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,320
It's a great opener to this
film.

1322
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,680
A great opener for this.
It works out really well, but

1323
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:16,240
then once again, done with with,
you know, taste and taste here

1324
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,200
versus Army of the Dead.
There is literally like 18

1325
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:25,200
needle drops explaining exactly
what is going on in every scene.

1326
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,960
And I was like, Oh my goodness,
Zach.

1327
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,960
I was like, but again, does it
so well in this where it's just

1328
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,800
perfectly placed.
You get the 1.

1329
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,960
You get maybe like one other one
like kind of later.

1330
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,840
But that is something that
Snyder is goes on to be very

1331
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,080
egregious in as his needle
drops.

1332
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,320
And that's just in his movies in
general.

1333
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:48,200
Yeah, I would say that the the
soundtrack is pretty on point

1334
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,480
here.
Like there are maybe I think

1335
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:54,800
we'll talk about one decision
that was made later on that I

1336
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,240
think was very polarizing at the
time and probably still is

1337
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,720
today.
But maybe because he's I mean,

1338
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,000
it's obviously he's someone that
understands pop music and pop

1339
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,040
culture, like having that
background in working with bands

1340
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,680
and making music videos.
So you know, he has that

1341
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,920
sensibility as to what's going
to work.

1342
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:19,120
This is the perfect marriage of
an artist song and what is

1343
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,080
unfolding on screen.
I don't think that they could

1344
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,160
not have had a better and cash
himself like was having such a

1345
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,640
moment like his the third act of
his career from his cover of

1346
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,600
Nine Inch Nails hurt some of the
latter day albums that he

1347
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,680
released.
Like, it really was great,

1348
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:43,280
really was fantastic.
Also has a the the first time

1349
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,280
that the score kicks into is
really great and it's done by

1350
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,880
Tyler Bates, who is a very
underrated composer and he would

1351
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,480
go on to work with Snyder on
multiple films as well as James

1352
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,640
Gunn.
He's done all the John Wick

1353
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:01,120
movie scores a lot of scores for
Rob Zombie as well.

1354
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,720
So another music video director
turned film director as well.

1355
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,680
So like, there's something all
kind of going in there.

1356
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,000
But Tyler Bates has had a a
really great career working in a

1357
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,520
lot of genre films.
And this is his first film

1358
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,640
score, his first official film
score as far as I know as well.

1359
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,400
Like this was his debut.
His debut solo one, cuz he did

1360
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,120
work on the Tammy and the T Rex
score.

1361
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:29,680
OK, back in back in the day, he
he's had a he's had a few other

1362
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,240
ones, but this was like his kind
of his, his big like mainstream

1363
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,840
score because he'd he'd done
like quite a lot of other like a

1364
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,000
smaller films.
We kind of almost talked about

1365
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,920
this earlier, but when people
say this film doesn't have any

1366
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,080
social commentary, I think that
that's just not accurate.

1367
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:47,920
It's different social
commentary.

1368
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,200
You know that George Romero
pointed that out.

1369
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,760
He was like, they're not doing
what I did.

1370
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,480
This is so much more of a post
911 movie and a commentary on

1371
01:14:56,480 --> 01:15:00,080
violence and like a
desensitization to violence.

1372
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:06,520
So I'm always really floored by
the scene where they're just

1373
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,520
like pointing out people who
look like celebrities and Andy

1374
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,240
shooting them from across the
street and like, yeah, obviously

1375
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,360
zombies, you need to kill them
or they're going to kill you.

1376
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,200
But there's they're just doing
this as a game and they're

1377
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,680
hunting humanoids for sport.
And it's not the same thing as

1378
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,760
killing non zombie humans, but
it is something where I think,

1379
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,760
gosh, I hope I'd never would
cross that line.

1380
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,560
I hope I would never look at
killing something that was once

1381
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,280
human as a sport and would only
do it for necessity.

1382
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,360
But who knows what you would do
in that situation.

1383
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,240
And so I think there's a ton of
social commentary there.

1384
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,760
It's social commentary on the
more interpersonal level rather

1385
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:54,240
than I think Romero's films are
kind of making these more grand

1386
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,160
like statements on like society
at large versus I think in this

1387
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,960
film, like you had mentioned, it
is that that kind of 9/11

1388
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,320
response to where you know a lot
of people since that it

1389
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,680
happened.
It's like almost the idea of

1390
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,840
being ready and like being
responsive to something is like

1391
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,440
allowed now because it's like,
Oh, well, you're dealing with

1392
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,320
this thing.
And like you said, like with

1393
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,360
like the game, it's it's kind of
bringing out like, you know,

1394
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,880
something that's already been
there.

1395
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,480
But like, OK, well, hey, it's
OK.

1396
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,560
We're in a zombie apocalypse.
So like if I've always wanted to

1397
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,920
kill Jay Leno, OK, I found a
zombie that looks like Jay Leno

1398
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,440
now and I can kill him.
So it's like it's kind of in

1399
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,040
that to where people are because
it is like, hey, the threat is

1400
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,720
in your yard now.
So like, Yep, what are you gonna

1401
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,400
do about it?
Stand your ground.

1402
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,320
That's kind of the energy that
this movie brings.

1403
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,720
And like, when you kind of see
the interpersonal reactions with

1404
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,040
people because like, again,
like, so much of this is people

1405
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,000
turning on each other and being
just ridiculously paranoid and

1406
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,360
aggressive towards, like, other
humans more than they are

1407
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,400
concerned with survival.
Yeah.

1408
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,720
It's very fascinating.
CJ on his power trip near the

1409
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:07,200
beginning of the mall, it's just
like, man, you are a mall

1410
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,000
security guard and it doesn't
make you the king of the

1411
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,280
apocalypse.
So I definitely think there's

1412
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,800
something there about power.
But that aggression towards each

1413
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,960
other, that kind of inability to
come together as people is

1414
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,400
something that does carry over
from all of the Romero films,

1415
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:30,520
especially that first trilogy of
movies where what you end up

1416
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:35,040
having like the zombies
themselves almost pose like a

1417
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,680
minimal threat.
I mean, we just covered the

1418
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,320
Night of the Living Dead remake
where the character of Barbara

1419
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,800
points out, like, they're so
slow.

1420
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,560
And that Devon, like, if you had
watched that, you would have

1421
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,800
been like, by gum, she's right.
Like, she's making my point that

1422
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,520
you made many times.
Like, she's like, we can just

1423
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,560
kind of walk right by all of
them, but because they fight all

1424
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,240
the time, that zombies end up
being like 10 times more of a

1425
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,280
threat than they should be.
What this movie lacks is some of

1426
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,520
the original Dawn of the Dead
Dead did.

1427
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,760
It misses that set piece in the
apartment building where you

1428
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:17,360
have these this community that
is already a bit downtrodden,

1429
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,480
this community that like,
they're poorer, they're people

1430
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:24,240
of color, and they're already on
the margins of society.

1431
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:29,040
And the SWAT team is going in
and indiscriminately killing

1432
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,720
people at this point, like they
don't care if it's they're dead

1433
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,640
or alive.
Like they're kicking down doors

1434
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,600
and they're firing 1st and
asking questions later.

1435
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,240
And then you get to the basement
where the dead are being

1436
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,400
basically stored by their loved
ones.

1437
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,360
They're saying we know they're
dead, we know they can't be

1438
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,560
free, but there's still people
we love and care about.

1439
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,800
Like we're not going.
We don't want to see them

1440
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,520
slaughtered.
And you see, like Ken Foray's

1441
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:01,080
character, I believe Peter, he
has to kill everyone in that

1442
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,760
cramped area and you see how
that affects him.

1443
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,080
You don't get anything like that
here, Ari.

1444
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,560
Like he rightly pointed out
here, they're killing zombies up

1445
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,080
on the roof for sport and
entertainment because now

1446
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,920
there's no longer there's no
ESPN you can turn on to watch

1447
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,640
like football on Sundays.
Yeah, no, there's nothing like

1448
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,880
that where anybody's really
sitting with the consequences of

1449
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,240
their actions.
There are moving moments in this

1450
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:29,760
film for sure.
Yeah.

1451
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,880
And I mean, that's why really
I'd say the the only angle we do

1452
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,520
give that is zom baby.
Zom baby.

1453
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,360
And the whole thing of like, oh,
him trying to protect his

1454
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,040
family, even though she's like
turned, even though, and now

1455
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,280
she's having still has this, you
know, undead baby and

1456
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,680
everything.
So like there's there's

1457
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,240
something in that.
But then there's so much more in

1458
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:55,240
this of like again, like we even
hear it from CJ.

1459
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,240
He he even has to read a book on
his personal character arc on

1460
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,720
trust.
Yes, you know, I love how that

1461
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,720
goes from him reading a
relationships advice book to

1462
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,480
translating to this.
But that is where all the

1463
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,280
turmoil happens is like.
People not trusting each other

1464
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,480
to like help them like, like
these are strangers that you are

1465
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:21,480
now like, kind of with and like,
OK, what is your background and

1466
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:25,320
like, how what do you have to
offer that is going to give me,

1467
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,880
you know, a sense of mind that,
you know, I'm going to be safe

1468
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,840
in this.
And I think that's very

1469
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,240
interesting, especially with
with Michael's character.

1470
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,400
You know, he is kind of the he's
the everyman.

1471
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,560
And I like at one point when
Andre Mackay Pfeiffer's

1472
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,120
characters, he's like, he's
like, what makes you qualified

1473
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:45,760
to be the leader?
What do you do?

1474
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,520
And he's like, I sell TV's and
he like laughs at them.

1475
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,160
But at the end of the day,
Michael is the most logical one

1476
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,240
to be the leader because he is
like the most neutral.

1477
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,720
He isn't going on a power trip
like the guards are doing.

1478
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,000
He's not he doesn't have, you
know, a wife and baby that is

1479
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,680
gonna, you know, cloud his
judgement emotionally.

1480
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,600
Like you, Andre, like he truly
is, makes the most sense because

1481
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,400
he is the most rational, but
because of what his day-to-day

1482
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,200
life is.
And he even has a spiel later

1483
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,560
talk about like all the odd jobs
he held and it's like we'll see.

1484
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,160
That's the reason this guy, you
know, makes the most sense, even

1485
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,080
though on the surface it
doesn't.

1486
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,840
You know what?
He's not the traditional movie

1487
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,000
hero essentially.
And that's what I like about

1488
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,760
this film.
It's it's a lot.

1489
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,760
Even though it is Zack Snyder
and he does still have his style

1490
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,040
moments, it's a lot less
cinematic than some previous

1491
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,520
zombie movies, especially 28
Days Later. 28 Days Later is

1492
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:48,120
very like kind of melodramatic
almost in a way versus this does

1493
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,720
kind of have the more lived in
type of sense to it in my

1494
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,400
opinion.
It does.

1495
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,280
Yeah.
The characters, some of them are

1496
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,680
a little bit over the top, but
for the most part they feel

1497
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,000
relatable or like you could
really find yourself in an

1498
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,600
apocalypse with this type of
asshole or this type of person

1499
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,800
and being really glad you have
one nurse on hand.

1500
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,800
So it does feel a little real.
I.

1501
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,960
Mean for the most part, they're
unremarkable characters.

1502
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,520
That's the thing about them is
there's nothing about them that

1503
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,840
necessarily stands out in their
day-to-day life or they don't

1504
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,640
necessarily bring like a special
set of skills with them that is

1505
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:28,880
going to set them apart.
Like these are a group of people

1506
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:34,040
that have been thrown together
and just trying to survive.

1507
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,560
Like not even build a community
like you see in the original

1508
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,800
Dawn of the Dead, Like they're
trying to like really hunker

1509
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,800
down and build some sort of a
community to the point where

1510
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,160
Flyboy is like, what if you and
I get married?

1511
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,640
Fran and Fran being like, those
days are kind of gone.

1512
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,160
Like that's just not a priority
right now.

1513
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,320
Here you see them kind of
lounging in the mall and, and

1514
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,160
doing, you know, passing the
time.

1515
01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:04,760
But you still get a sense that
like everyone's maybe a little

1516
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,720
bit disconnected from one
another.

1517
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:12,160
Totally, I appreciate the the
diversity and personalities

1518
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,800
amongst everybody.
Everybody's, you know, mainly

1519
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,960
has one thing and that's their,
you know, kind of stuff.

1520
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,120
And that's fine.
But I like how we have Sarah

1521
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,880
Polley.
She could have been a genre

1522
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,480
queen if she would have kept
acting, but you know, she kind

1523
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:27,960
of gave that up to be more
behind the scenes.

1524
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,520
But like, I love her love gang
of Ving Rhames, who if you don't

1525
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,320
count the credits, is a black
guy that survives.

1526
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,680
And I'm just going to say that
is the case.

1527
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,040
Yes.
Once again, Zack Snyder does

1528
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,880
this twice.
He does an Army of the Dead 2.

1529
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,800
He has a black guy survive and
then kills him.

1530
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,080
I was like, wait, no, you were.
You were right there at the

1531
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,760
finish line.
Yeah, but I love having him

1532
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,520
there.
And Mackay Pfeiffer is such an

1533
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,800
underrated actor.
I've always appreciated the

1534
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,960
strong presence he brings.
But yeah, I don't know, I think

1535
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:02,080
for how many characters in this
ensemble is it, it all works out

1536
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,760
really well.
Yeah.

1537
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,320
And the other fascinating thing
is like any racial tension that

1538
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,120
exists in this in this setting,
it's like Ving Rhames is Kenneth

1539
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,640
towards Pfeiffer's Andre.
Like you see how he interacts

1540
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,040
with Andre and he makes a lot of
assumptions about him.

1541
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,960
But when on you made the point
like when Andre asks Michael,

1542
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,240
like why should I follow a guy
who sells TV's?

1543
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,160
You know, Kenneth's like, well,
why should I follow a guy who

1544
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,520
steals them?
Like we don't know a lot about

1545
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,520
Andre and making that
assumption.

1546
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,880
And there's a lot of that back
and forth.

1547
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,560
I think whenever those two kind
of engage with one another,

1548
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,680
that's the kind of dynamic they
have.

1549
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,200
Like there's that tension that
exists.

1550
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,920
They don't get along.
They don't partner up with one

1551
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:55,920
another.
Yeah, interestingly enough, Ty

1552
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,000
Burrell and Jake Weber, they
actually auditioned for each

1553
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,720
other's roles, which I find very
interesting because like, I

1554
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,520
wouldn't really see Burrell and
like the Everyman role and I

1555
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,320
couldn't see Weber being like
this annoying of an asshole that

1556
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,960
that Steve is.
So I guess that worked out

1557
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,600
really well where they're just
like, so you see the casting

1558
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,760
director have the two headshots
and just swaps them and goes,

1559
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,840
yeah, that's right.
We're almost there and then they

1560
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,720
move them and they're like nail
perfect.

1561
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,400
Wait, are you saying you
couldn't see Ty Burrell in the

1562
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:31,840
everyman nice guy role?
Not in for this movie, no 'cause

1563
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,080
I know modern.
One would be like the, like,

1564
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:41,000
sitcom dad of like the yeah.
I think Modern Family is trash

1565
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:42,960
though.
It's not trash, Yeah.

1566
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:48,000
I think it's trash it it does
not hold up like even to where

1567
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,840
it was whenever it came out, but
that's just.

1568
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,400
My last few few few seasons
aren't great, but I would say

1569
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,440
that Modern Family is a fun kind
of innocuous, but he is like a

1570
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:03,280
fun sitcom dad who's a bit
bumbling.

1571
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,880
Like to me like this is him so
much playing against type where

1572
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,360
he's such a douche in this movie
that it's kind of it's even more

1573
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,040
comical.
Watching it now after watching

1574
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,840
Modern Family and being like I
did not know that Ty Burrell had

1575
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,680
this level of assholery in him.
Yeah, it's a little bit hard to

1576
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,760
watch Phil Dunphy be mean.
Ari, where do you stand on

1577
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,080
Modern Family?
You're very quiet there.

1578
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,360
You're the tiebreaker.
I've watched a lot of it and I

1579
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,400
think it's a totally fine
sitcom.

1580
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,360
Sitcoms aren't usually my thing,
but I think Modern Family made

1581
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,040
me laugh a fair bit.
Fence.

1582
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,920
Straddled.
Good job, Ari I.

1583
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,320
Just don't have a strong opinion
on it, you know?

1584
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:51,520
Look, I'm not going to ride or
die and say like Modern Family

1585
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,080
is like a masterpiece, but I
think his performance is like

1586
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,280
really good in that show and
definitely like, not what he

1587
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:02,280
would get here.
And to be fair, like Steve is a

1588
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,920
different kind of asshole and we
typically see in these movies

1589
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,120
like he's not actively
sabotaging events here.

1590
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,400
It's not like.
He's just like a shitty

1591
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,520
personality, yeah.
He doesn't.

1592
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,960
Want to be in charge.
He's not fighting for the top

1593
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,640
spot.
He's like leave me alone.

1594
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,400
I want to drink.
He's a realist in the situation,

1595
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,040
yeah, but like, also it's just
like, yeah, no, he's not like an

1596
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,760
asshole because he's like
actively making things worse.

1597
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,360
It's just like you're just not
making it better either.

1598
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,160
Right.
You watch the original Night of

1599
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:39,160
the Living Dead and Harry tries
to shoot Ben and then in the

1600
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,320
remake he succeeds.
You watch Day of the Dead and

1601
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,520
you have like Captain, you know,
you have, I want to say Captain

1602
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,040
Knowles, and I know that's not
it.

1603
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:54,920
Why can I not Rhodes, Captain
Rhodes, who is like an evil

1604
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,000
motherfucker.
And then Dr. Frankenstein who's

1605
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,320
like feeding soldiers to the
zombies.

1606
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,160
Like that's a different level of
like fucked up.

1607
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:07,040
And Steve is just, like you
said, Ari, like, I just want to

1608
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,640
have a drink.
I just want to have, like, sex

1609
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,560
with this woman.
I just want to be left alone and

1610
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,320
you all can do the work.
Like, I'm not lifting a finger.

1611
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:21,640
And I imagine that kind of
assholery would get very grating

1612
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,120
in close quarters over a couple
months.

1613
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,920
Yeah, it's like if you don't
have anything helpful to say,

1614
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,920
just keep it to yourself.
We have a we have a character in

1615
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,360
our DND group that we always
joke is like secretly A villain

1616
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,560
because he doesn't like really
actively contribute to anything.

1617
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,480
It's like he doesn't it's funny.
It's actually my roommate.

1618
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:46,080
And like our characters like
have like a funny rivalry, but

1619
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,720
like, like it's just like a
running thing of just being

1620
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,520
like, hey, like if like he just
like do like 1 like solid for us

1621
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,160
like every once in a while.
And he does, you know, Steve,

1622
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,560
Steve does have his moments a
couple times.

1623
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:07,000
But but yeah, I I really enjoy
again, because this is kind of

1624
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,200
more of an action film than a
horror film, though there are

1625
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,760
still some pretty solid horror
sequences.

1626
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,840
The the zombie be birthing
sequence felt like an exorcism

1627
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,240
scene actually.
Yeah.

1628
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,440
It it felt like that but then it
also is giving.

1629
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:25,880
I don't know, I doubt either of
you guys are twi hards, but

1630
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,280
Twilight Breaking Dawn Part 1.
The Bella's birthing scene is a

1631
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,720
straight up horror horror scene
and it very much feels like

1632
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,160
almost maybe an homage to the
scene in a funny way.

1633
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,200
Interesting from the book,
doesn't the baby like eat its

1634
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,560
way out of the womb?
Basically like it chews its way

1635
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,920
out when it needs to be born.
No, look, kinda.

1636
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,440
It's just it's like develop,
it's like overly developed.

1637
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:53,920
So it's like like basically like
like she's gotta.

1638
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,680
Be 5 year old kid.
Like not a five year old, but

1639
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,120
like still like a bigger, more
developed baby than a human can

1640
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,680
handle birthing.
So it's like while she's giving

1641
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,160
birth, Edward has to like bite
her and like infect with his

1642
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,320
venom to change her so that way
she can like heal properly to

1643
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,800
have this baby essentially.
But like it is a full on horror

1644
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,800
sequence like and like they like
emaciated look and everything.

1645
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,720
But then like when he's got her
like tied up again, like kind of

1646
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,280
like exorcism style.
He even had like a mouth gag

1647
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,080
ready for this like whole
sequence.

1648
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:31,080
That's a great like it is so
wild, like and nobody knew if we

1649
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,640
were going to go there.
Like pregnant lady in a horror

1650
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,680
movie is such a like lazy trope.
You know, it's obviously meant

1651
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,280
to just have instant extra
tension for that character.

1652
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:44,400
No, you could like, you know, I
don't know, maybe give Eluda

1653
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,600
some actual character
development to make you care

1654
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,240
about her.
She doesn't have to be pregnant,

1655
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:49,520
but all good.
What?

1656
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,760
She's an accent.
Yes, she's so.

1657
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:57,120
Sort of so interesting.
Yeah, so interesting.

1658
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:02,160
But if you're gonna have a baby,
you know, in a horror movie, you

1659
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,920
got to pay it off properly.
And like, it's like, I love that

1660
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,280
the movie.
It's like the whole time you're

1661
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,520
like, are we going to have a
zomb baby?

1662
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,840
And then Zack Snyder goes, you
know it.

1663
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,880
And they they kill the baby off
screen.

1664
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,960
I was kind of wondering as
though I was watching it.

1665
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,360
I'm like, are they going to do
it?

1666
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,080
Are they going to do it?
Because killing a baby on screen

1667
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:25,840
is like the ultimate taboo.
But they don't even a zomb baby.

1668
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,840
We can't handle killing on
screen and.

1669
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,920
That's the only one too, where
they're like, hey, should we

1670
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,760
like say some words or something
like does anybody have a prayer

1671
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,120
like that's the only one where
they like actually are like

1672
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:41,320
ceremonial about the death.
Oh, and it raises so many

1673
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,320
questions, like the idea of a
zomb baby.

1674
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,120
Number one, it doesn't have
teeth, you know, just gums.

1675
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,960
Could a zombie baby infect a
person if it doesn't have teeth

1676
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,160
and it's just kind of like
gumming at your fingers?

1677
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,160
What's the worst thing it can
do?

1678
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,080
But also, you think of like one
of the, one of the tropes of a

1679
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,880
vampirism is that you're always
the age that you were when you

1680
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,480
are turned into a vampire.
And that's one of the things of,

1681
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:11,600
like, interviewing a vampire,
like the little girl being

1682
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,880
turned and then centuries pass
and she's still in the same

1683
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,600
body.
And how horrific an idea that

1684
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,240
is.
Like, could a zomb baby develop?

1685
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:24,400
Like would it actually I'd say
it develop, would it get bigger?

1686
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:27,960
I don't think it would well.
It's interesting because it's

1687
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,120
like explore.
Well, because it's it's like a

1688
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:34,160
hybrid, you know, like it is
still like it was because it's a

1689
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,240
hybrid and basically because
that's how blade becomes the day

1690
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,920
Walker is.
I love mother was pregnant and

1691
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,880
she got bit by a vampire and
that's what made him the day

1692
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,680
Walker.
So if we're going by that logic,

1693
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,840
I think Zom baby would still
develop because they're not

1694
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,360
completely dead.
But as far as like like you

1695
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,920
said, like are they able to
infect other people?

1696
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:00,440
Not sure you know.
Not exactly sure, but I feel

1697
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:03,280
like it would still be able to
develop.

1698
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:05,880
So a zombie.
Capacity.

1699
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,400
That like 5 years from now was
like a four or five year old

1700
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:14,720
child and is developmentaling as
one might expect but also has

1701
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,960
this like insatiable.
But because.

1702
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,960
Some human flesh could be,
really.

1703
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,840
Fascinating because zombies are
more they're they're different

1704
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,720
than vampire immortals and
vampire morals is a is more

1705
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:31,880
supernatural type of immortality
versus zombies are functionally

1706
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,880
immortal the same way that
crocodiles and alligators are

1707
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,480
like crocodiles and alligators
are like immune to most

1708
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:40,120
diseases.
They recover like super fast.

1709
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,120
And so functionally, unless they
get killed like literally

1710
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,480
beheaded or something like that,
they could live for a very long

1711
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:47,560
time.
So that's kind of the same way

1712
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,640
with zombies.
They're functionally immortal.

1713
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,400
The babies starve to death.
Quite possibly.

1714
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,320
But these zombies?
Give it some blood bottles I

1715
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:56,200
guess.
I guess.

1716
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,440
When you watch this movie, there
are thousands of zombies that

1717
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:03,120
are outside of the mall and.
That's true.

1718
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:07,280
They're not starving.
Eight days later, you see, like

1719
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,600
how if they're not fed, they
wither away.

1720
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,440
And yeah, if they don't
completely die, they're at least

1721
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:17,400
incapacitated to the nuff where
like, they're no longer pose a

1722
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:18,920
threat.
Like you can literally just

1723
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,800
skirt around them because they
can't move here.

1724
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,720
You know, it's it's more like
it's they just keep going.

1725
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,160
Like they want to eat.
And maybe they're driven by

1726
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,360
hunger, but because they don't
have any like functional

1727
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,520
internal organs, they don't need
feed.

1728
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,880
Yeah, I mean, it would have to
be raised by a human because

1729
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,280
babies need attention and
zombies don't give attention.

1730
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:44,440
Yeah.
It's true if.

1731
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:49,000
Anything if zomb baby it would
die from a lack of attention

1732
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,560
before lack of brains.
Science.

1733
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:59,120
Yeah, I think it holds up.
You guys both mentioned CJ

1734
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,840
briefly paid played by Michael
Kelly, who I was going on to

1735
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:08,480
have a pretty prolific career,
especially in television, and he

1736
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:12,800
just has the face of like
redeemable asshole.

1737
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,960
Do you know what I mean?
Like he has that face where you

1738
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,040
first see him.
Like I don't like him, but maybe

1739
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,400
I'll give this guy a chance.
My things.

1740
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,480
When he took his hat off and you
saw he was balding, it's like,

1741
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,960
OK, you know, I all right, he
is.

1742
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,480
He's going through it just like
everyone else, like that's.

1743
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,520
Maybe that's why he's turning
moment.

1744
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,440
He's like, I'm 30 and I'm going
bald now.

1745
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:41,120
I'm going to be like aggro.
But to me, CJ is the one

1746
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,800
character that has like a real
arc in this movie.

1747
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:48,080
Like everybody else in this
movie kind of stays who they

1748
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:51,800
were from the moment they walk
in to the mall.

1749
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,920
Like they don't change all that
much.

1750
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:58,480
And here, like CJ, when you
first meet him, he's racist.

1751
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,560
He locks everybody up, he's
needlessly aggressive towards

1752
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:07,880
folks, and he's a misogynist.
And as the movie goes on and he

1753
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,760
doesn't want to help anyone out,
he's all in it for himself.

1754
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:16,160
As the movie goes on, like when
Ken unveils his ridiculous plan,

1755
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,120
which I want to talk about
shortly, Ken gets everybody

1756
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,760
killed, which Ving rings be
better.

1757
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:26,360
So he does this.
I will not budget on like Ken's

1758
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,840
plan is not good.
He's like he he basically

1759
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,240
describes Ken's plan back to
him.

1760
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,640
Like you want to like armor up
these cars and drive out and

1761
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,680
pick this guy.
He's like and he's like, all

1762
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,720
right, well, I guess I'm in and
he's the one lending a hand.

1763
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,240
And then at the end of the
movie, he said, well, he

1764
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:50,000
sacrifices himself to buy the
others time to escape, at least

1765
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,080
temporarily.
Yeah, I mean, I like that.

1766
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:55,040
I like that it's an arc that
it's like he doesn't, I wouldn't

1767
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,600
even say it's not like he like
become like a great guy or

1768
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,640
anything.
He just like you said, he like

1769
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:03,400
comes to a senses of being like,
OK, I need to put my, you know,

1770
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:06,960
differences aside and like, you
know, like to benefit everybody

1771
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,800
else because you do see that he
is actually capable.

1772
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,120
I like that's what I like it too
is like you think he's just

1773
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,240
going to be like the domineering
asshole person and then like,

1774
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,560
but but like at the same time
can't really do anything.

1775
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,920
It's like, no, he actually is a
capable person too.

1776
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,680
So like, you know, the fact that
he just has to come around to be

1777
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:29,320
like, hey, like, you know, let
me put my, you know, skills and

1778
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,320
expertise to like help the
greater group, not just myself,

1779
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,480
but like he doesn't become like,
oh, hey, hey, Kenneth, let's do

1780
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,200
a secret handshake now.
Like, you know, we get it's

1781
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,360
nothing like that or anything.
It's a it's.

1782
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:44,560
A I'm not saying he's going to
win a humanitarian award.

1783
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,360
No, that's what I'm saying.
Just appreciate it.

1784
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,200
It's a more restrained arc.
Yeah, compared to like it

1785
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,160
doesn't really change from the
start of the movie to the end.

1786
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,080
Like from the start of the
movie, she's someone that is

1787
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,120
like, if I can help someone out,
I'm going to help someone out

1788
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,120
and I'm very clear headed and I
can be assertive.

1789
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,880
What I need to be.
Ken is kind of like the person

1790
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:10,920
who wants to be leader but also
wants to be left alone as well.

1791
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,840
Perhaps like the only way you
could say he has an arc is like

1792
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,560
initially he wants to leave in
order to find his brother at the

1793
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:24,960
Army base and ends up staying
behind to him being the person

1794
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,600
that's like, we're all going to
go and we're going to go get

1795
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:32,000
pick up Andy as well.
Which What are our thoughts on

1796
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:37,720
Andy, the lone survivor at the
gun shop who we don't really

1797
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,720
hear much from?
We see a lot of him on the

1798
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,320
rooftop.
It would have been cool to like

1799
01:38:43,480 --> 01:38:48,120
like as a like extra on the DVD
or like promo, like have a short

1800
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,280
film where it's just Andy like
hanging with this day for like 5

1801
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:52,320
minutes.
Oh it's there.

1802
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,920
Oh, it is.
Andy's lost tapes, it's on

1803
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:56,040
YouTube as well.
Yeah.

1804
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:59,400
It's like a 15 minute.
There are two featurettes that

1805
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,480
are pretty cool.
One of them is like a news

1806
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:04,160
broadcast.
It's like about 20 minutes long.

1807
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,000
And it's like snippets of the
outbreak.

1808
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,280
And they have breaking news and
one newscaster, like unveiling,

1809
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,520
like what's the White House's
response?

1810
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:13,840
What?
Let's go to this.

1811
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,840
We're showing the Dead Rising.
Here's how you so.

1812
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,640
And it's like it's showing where
it's spreading and how quick

1813
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,520
over the course of about one
day.

1814
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,400
And then there's Andy's lost
tapes.

1815
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:26,800
That's awesome.
I didn't realize that was a

1816
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,440
thing.
I mean, I like his character,

1817
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,680
the way he serves as, you know,
him and Kenneth have this long

1818
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,960
distance bromance in a way.
And I think it just emphasizes,

1819
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:41,960
you know, the idea of like, you
know, like we as society, like,

1820
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,800
yes, even if you are an
introverted person, we do crave

1821
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:50,000
interaction and connection.
And so I like how his character

1822
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,240
just like shows how important
that is to still maintain some

1823
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,200
type of connection.
The way that him and Kenneth

1824
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,760
learn to play games and
communicate via dry race board,

1825
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,760
I think is like one of the more
like kind of, you know, more

1826
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,960
sentimental messages of the
movie of just being like, hey,

1827
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,000
like, you know, like you might
be on a rooftop over there by

1828
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,440
yourself and like, you know,
he's getting hungry and all

1829
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:13,480
things.
But like, hey, he gets to look

1830
01:40:13,480 --> 01:40:16,280
forward to playing chess with
Kenneth the next day.

1831
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,040
And like, you know, that like
kind of keeps him going.

1832
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:21,120
So I think it's a really
actually like really great

1833
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,520
addition for the movie.
I agree.

1834
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,840
Giving us something outside of
the mall helps it feel more like

1835
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,960
a world.
And Andy's death is just

1836
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,680
devastating.
Because I can totally see why

1837
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,720
they wouldn't have told him
about the bites.

1838
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,200
It didn't come up as kind of a
silly way to put it, but they

1839
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,880
figure it out about the bites
and they don't share that with

1840
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:45,880
Andy because you're not really
thinking to, you know, share

1841
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,120
information in that way.
And then Andy gets bit and he

1842
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:52,440
doesn't know what's coming.
But we do and they do.

1843
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,080
And it yeah, that's heart
wrenching.

1844
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:59,160
Watching their reaction as he's
we're laying it over the

1845
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:03,080
walkie-talkie, It's one of the,
I think, real emotionally

1846
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:07,120
resonant moments of the film.
And then when he's on the roof

1847
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:10,720
and he like has that muscle
memory where he picks up the

1848
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,280
blackboard and he just basically
smears his blood against it and

1849
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,360
holds it up.
Like it's a great visual.

1850
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,480
Like it's a great visual touch
from Snyder.

1851
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:21,680
I think one of the really strong
ones.

1852
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,880
It's a pretty powerful moment.
If we if we were going to go

1853
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,520
into a negative, I wanted to go
to one more positive.

1854
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,920
A powerful like a surprisingly
like, powerfully like,

1855
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:35,400
emotionally powerful moment is
the scene with Nicole's dad.

1856
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:40,040
Yes.
I made a special note for him,

1857
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,520
Matt Frewer.
This scene goes so hard of

1858
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:47,800
whenever this is them figuring
out the whole bite infection, a

1859
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:51,520
scenario and everything.
And so basically he's been bit

1860
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,160
and this is where they start
debating like, OK, well, do we

1861
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,280
kill the person now while
they're still human?

1862
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:58,280
Do we wait for them to turn into
a zombie?

1863
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:01,160
But then that risks us getting
attacked or whatever.

1864
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,640
So it's like you get some moral
quandaries there.

1865
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,120
But but the scene, the way the
scene is shot and like, you

1866
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:10,320
know, the dad has this moment
with the czar and Zack Snyder's

1867
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,440
doing this like, you know, 360
like pan with the camera.

1868
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,200
And every time it goes back
around, they added more makeup

1869
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,640
to fruit to like show the slow
infection.

1870
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,960
And I was like, shit, I was
like, this is like actually

1871
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,960
really fucking good.
And then Frewer like really sold

1872
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,040
it with the performance of the
scene as well.

1873
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,760
I was like, God damn, I totally
forgot about the scene.

1874
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:32,640
And like it actually like gave
me goosebumps.

1875
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,520
I was like, this is like not
something that you know, you

1876
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,600
think of when you think of
certain, you know, as far as

1877
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,720
like again, this being a action
horror film, but again, like

1878
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:45,520
like 2 moments of like some like
genuinely really good emotion.

1879
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,680
Yes, he actually resembles like
Steven from the original dawn of

1880
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:54,800
the dead a lot in that like in
that that really gaunt look,

1881
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,640
that drawn out look as the
infection slowly takes hold,

1882
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,000
like it is a moment that kind of
recalls Stevens own

1883
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:06,920
deterioration and then death and
then Ken for a having to put him

1884
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:09,320
down like it's a pretty resonant
moment as well.

1885
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,720
So you're right.
I'm glad you pointed that out.

1886
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,160
So I don't necessarily want to
say that I'm being negative

1887
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:19,920
here, but I just want to say
that like Ken's, like one in the

1888
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,680
original Dawn of the Dead, they
leave the mall because like,

1889
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:27,040
it's now been overrun.
Like you've had Tom Savini's

1890
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:31,640
like motorcycle gang break in.
And because they've broken in,

1891
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,840
now you have those like hundreds
or thousands of zombies that are

1892
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,880
outside.
They've now breached the gates

1893
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,960
and it's only a matter of time
before it's no longer safe to be

1894
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:45,560
there Here.
There's no reason for them to

1895
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,840
leave except Ken is like, I just
want to go.

1896
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,600
I don't want to stay anymore.
We're leaving.

1897
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,480
But basically what it boils down
to, there's no inciting

1898
01:43:55,480 --> 01:43:58,000
incident.
They're like, let's just go out

1899
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:02,680
there and find something, maybe
an island that we can go to.

1900
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,520
But there's no reason for them
to leave.

1901
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,760
They have shelter.
They have plenty of food,

1902
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:11,120
they're protected.
Like the zombies aren't breaking

1903
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,200
in there.
It's more like we just need a

1904
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,880
third act.
So yeah, let's just pick our

1905
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:22,080
stuff up and go.
It's a bad plan, I don't think.

1906
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:27,640
I don't think the plan is bad.
I think in in your logic as far

1907
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,320
as like, yeah, from a screen
writing the point, they do not

1908
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,200
give them a reason to have to
enact the plan.

1909
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:34,360
Like I totally get what you
mean.

1910
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:37,800
Like they're, but at the same
time, I mean, one, what other

1911
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:41,880
plan are you going to do?
And two, I think it is also

1912
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,400
like, you know, you could also
just go with the fact of like,

1913
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:48,160
OK, but then while they yeah,
can like sit there and wait, you

1914
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,520
got to think of the rate that
the zombies are multiplying.

1915
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,040
Eventually they're going to get
in.

1916
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:55,240
So do you wait until the numbers
are going to be even more

1917
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:59,080
overwhelming and you are forced
to leave, or do you leave while

1918
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,600
you still kind of have somewhat
of a choice?

1919
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,680
But then that's also spurred by
Nicole who loses her shit over

1920
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,400
chips.
Which valid, right?

1921
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,440
I would lose my shit over chips
as well.

1922
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:10,880
She has a.
She has a.

1923
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,360
She has a crash out whenever
Chips doesn't make it back from

1924
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,760
his little mission.
And that I think that kicks into

1925
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:19,480
gear because they weren't
supposed to leave until like, a

1926
01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:21,800
few days later.
They had like, had like a

1927
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,960
countdown.
But then because everything went

1928
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,200
to shit, Kenneth is like, fuck
it, let's hit the road now.

1929
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,280
Let's go get Andy.
And it kind of goes off in that

1930
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,120
way.
So, like, I think the plan

1931
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:35,480
itself isn't terrible, but
getting to have, like you said,

1932
01:45:35,480 --> 01:45:37,640
having a reason to actually
enact it.

1933
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,040
Yeah, the movie doesn't really
do that.

1934
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,160
But you know, it's what.
I think if this is a tough one

1935
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:47,720
for me because even if it's not
a good choice, I feel like I

1936
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:51,440
would want to be on the move.
I feel like I'd be getting very

1937
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:54,760
antsy sitting and waiting for
help, even if that is the right

1938
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,840
thing to do.
When I'm stressed out, I'm like,

1939
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,680
we need to act.
We need to do something.

1940
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,560
And sometimes that's not good.
Like sometimes that leads you to

1941
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:05,440
doing things that are either not
helpful or actively harmful.

1942
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:10,200
And so I, you know, yeah, for
sure they needed a third act.

1943
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,840
But also I'm kind of like, what
I, I probably would have been

1944
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:17,120
antsy to go see what else was
going on because there's no

1945
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,920
communication.
And yeah, I don't know, I

1946
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,520
probably would have died.
As.

1947
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,160
You mentioned in May 1 of the
things that like was a flaw and

1948
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:29,040
their plan is they didn't pack
it with perishable goods right

1949
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:33,880
away with the idea like if, if
we need to move very quickly, we

1950
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:38,080
have food because you see in the
post credit sequence like we're

1951
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:40,880
all on the boat.
Like they run out of food, they

1952
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:44,120
run out of water.
It's very miserable that you

1953
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,880
need to like it's nice to have
chainsaws.

1954
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,160
Like chainsaws are a good thing
to have.

1955
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,560
It's nice to have propane tanks.
That you can shoot and.

1956
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,880
Explode and get really a very
cool look, like a very cinematic

1957
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,160
moment.
It's also nice to have drinking

1958
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,120
water and some protein bars.
I'm just saying that it's like

1959
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:08,960
nice to have like some boxes and
bottles of that as well when

1960
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,440
you're prepping your doomsday
anti zombie tank.

1961
01:47:12,440 --> 01:47:15,240
And like Ken doesn't factor that
in.

1962
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:20,280
He's just like, if we put this
case of like quest bars on here,

1963
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:21,640
where are we going to put the
4th?

1964
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:25,800
Chainsaw, I mean, I think if
we've learned anything from this

1965
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:31,920
series that we've been covering
is 85% of bad things that happen

1966
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:36,280
zombie movies are due to human
error, and maybe only 15% of it

1967
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,280
is due to the actual zombies
themselves.

1968
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:42,480
So, you know, I'd say that's
online or in line with the

1969
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:45,080
tradition of zombie trope
movies.

1970
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:49,880
Cuz yeah, I mean, you saw how
excited Michael was to show off

1971
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:53,360
his little chainsaw slit.
Door he had, we thought the

1972
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:57,800
things on him laid.
He had a way It did it did it

1973
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,480
worked did it did they they they
had a moment.

1974
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:02,880
They like kiss and they like
show them like start making out

1975
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,800
and then they cut back to it and
it's like a little time skip.

1976
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:09,680
We just don't see them fuck as
we do Steve.

1977
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,920
And what's her face?
Yeah yeah, but I do appreciate

1978
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:17,120
again the since we do have to go
on the move, though, I like the

1979
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,040
variety of action set pieces in
this.

1980
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:23,720
They kind of escalate and scale,
you know, cuz like we have a few

1981
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:27,000
like little smaller action
scenes like in or outside the

1982
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,480
mall, but then but then it
escalates to when they have to

1983
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:33,160
go to the generator and we get
like the first like big fire and

1984
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,840
explosion, which again looks
fantastic.

1985
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,600
You guys can never see GI fire.
You gotta just up sometimes and

1986
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:44,040
then by the time you get to this
third act now we're like kind of

1987
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,200
even in the kind of more bigger
scale, almost feels like a

1988
01:48:47,480 --> 01:48:49,640
Resident Evil esque in the
third.

1989
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:54,440
Part I love the visual of all
the zombies like surrounding the

1990
01:48:54,440 --> 01:48:57,160
two vehicles like they're almost
overrunning them.

1991
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:59,400
Especially once you have the
explosion.

1992
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,560
It's like a really cool, I don't
know, you mentioned Resident

1993
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,080
Evil.
Have you ever played the game

1994
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,120
Dead Rising on the Xbox?
I haven't played it, but I know

1995
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,720
the game.
It's one where like you are in a

1996
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:14,080
mall and you make all different
weapons and there are hundreds

1997
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,640
of hundreds of zombies or
thousands of zombies and you

1998
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:19,800
have to ward them.
It's a really fun game.

1999
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,920
Like you literally make
sometimes weapons out of things

2000
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:27,440
like toy hammers and frisbee
guns, like stuff like that.

2001
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:31,120
It's really silly, but it's a
lot of fun and you have visuals

2002
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,320
like that of like thousands of
zombies, like trying to overrun

2003
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,360
you.
I think everything is very well

2004
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:39,000
choreographed because like, even
though it's like kind of crazy

2005
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,000
mayhem, it's you can follow
everything.

2006
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,000
You can follow this third
actually.

2007
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:44,360
Yeah.
You can follow it and you have

2008
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:48,200
that lovely blue-green tint.
We are definitely in that era

2009
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,120
where like the blue-green tint
with a little bit of yellow.

2010
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:53,320
But to be fair, it does make
sense here.

2011
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:57,560
That yellowish green.
It is like a sickly dying world

2012
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,320
that I can forgive it here.
Like I'm not not the.

2013
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,960
Yellows and greens aren't as
egregious, but once we turn blue

2014
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:08,880
in this movie, it's it is like I
watched like I had watched Dead

2015
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,040
Silence for the first time not
too long ago.

2016
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,320
And I was like, I was like, ah,
yes, make movies inexplicably

2017
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:15,880
blue again.
Like I was like.

2018
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,720
Yeah, so I want to end with the
ending because that movie ends

2019
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,400
with like them getting in the
boat and you have like the note

2020
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,240
of hope and you have.
I think it's Jim.

2021
01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:29,440
It's not Jim Carroll.
All the people who died playing

2022
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:30,960
over.
I think it's Jim Carroll.

2023
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:32,520
It is Jim Carroll.
Never mind.

2024
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:38,120
It is, and you have this post
credit sequence where everything

2025
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:41,480
goes horribly wrong.
Like they run out of food, they

2026
01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:44,600
run out of water, they're
getting sick, they're arguing

2027
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,920
with one another, and then they
find the mythical island.

2028
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:52,200
Like they've come across the
island and that too is overrun

2029
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:57,000
by zombies.
Q2 disturbs down with the

2030
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:02,280
sickness in everyone.
We followed for two hours like

2031
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:07,120
they're just murdered off screen
and James Gunn confirmed this in

2032
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:10,240
an interview.
He did some live tweet a thon or

2033
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:13,720
interview where he was asked
what happened to the survivors

2034
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:17,040
of Dawn of the Dead and his
answer was what survivors?

2035
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:20,160
What survivors?
Which is that's harsh, man, that

2036
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:24,160
is like Ouch do we?
I hate this ending.

2037
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,320
I like this movie.
I hate this ending but what are

2038
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:30,480
your thoughts on?
It mind, it feels true, feels

2039
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,920
plausible.
I mean, I think it makes the

2040
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,720
most sense because like, yeah,
like what I choose to think of

2041
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,840
this is these credits are
snippets from the next movie.

2042
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,000
So.
So I like to think, yes, they

2043
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:48,040
technically we have survivors in
this movie, but they're not

2044
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,240
going to survive the next one
because like you said that we

2045
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:53,560
see how ill prepared they were.
Like, you know, like this is

2046
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,400
what, yeah, if they went out on
a boat and then they found a

2047
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,080
random island, yeah, this is
logically probably what's going

2048
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,520
to happen to them.
So like, you know, even though,

2049
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,400
yes, it was nice being like, oh,
we got like a a squad of three

2050
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,800
survivors, like, or four of them
actually.

2051
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,360
I was like, oh, wow, like, look
how many of them made it out.

2052
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:13,760
But then plus possibly what's
going to happen next, yeah,

2053
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,560
they're probably dead.
So whether it happens now in the

2054
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:21,480
credits of this movie or in the
sequel of the movie, that didn't

2055
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:25,560
happen for this it.
That's most likely their future,

2056
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:27,600
just.
Feel like it feels like such a

2057
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:32,080
cheat to follow these characters
for like close to two hours and

2058
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:35,240
then like as you're getting up
out of your seat to walk out of

2059
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:38,880
the theater, it's like just
kidding, they're all eaten.

2060
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,480
Here's some new metal, and maybe
that's.

2061
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:43,800
These aren't our buddies.
We didn't get to know them that

2062
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,360
well.
Like they're just, they're

2063
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,640
people that are going to go on
to go die.

2064
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,800
It's.
Very 2000s, yeah.

2065
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:53,200
Very good.
I guess my last question

2066
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:56,280
unrelated to this, what do we
think of the lounge cover of

2067
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:59,440
Down with the Sickness, which is
I'm not a new metal guy.

2068
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:04,280
I actually the original song
kind of a banger, like I'm not

2069
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:05,920
mad at it.
I like it's probably one of the

2070
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:09,600
better songs of that genre.
But what do we think of Like the

2071
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,440
piano?
I think I missed that part

2072
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,560
because like when I was
listening to credits it was just

2073
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,360
the original. 10 No.
Like during the montage scene

2074
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,760
when they're making the mall out
nice and Phil Dunphy is getting

2075
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:21,280
his.
I didn't.

2076
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,360
Realize that's what it was.
That's what that was, yeah.

2077
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:28,200
I, I, I, I just, yeah.
I just was like, oh, yeah.

2078
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,920
Like Switch I, I in my mind, I
go.

2079
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:32,400
I was like, is it Christmas
time?

2080
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,760
I was like, why did they switch
to Christmas music randomly?

2081
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:38,120
I was even paying attention that
it was the lounge cover.

2082
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:39,240
That's funny.
Damn.

2083
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:40,880
So yeah, I wasn't even paying
attention.

2084
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:45,120
There's an album that came out
somewhere in the late 90s, early

2085
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:48,680
2000s called yeah, it was
definitely in the 2000s.

2086
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:52,760
It was called Lounge Against the
Machine and it was lounge covers

2087
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:57,360
of rock songs, but rock and new
metal, and I didn't like it then

2088
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,080
and I don't like it now.
It feels weird.

2089
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,400
I usually like covers.
I can appreciate them.

2090
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:07,440
But that YouTube channel the the
Postmodern Jukebox where they do

2091
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:10,160
covers in blank style, like it's
very much.

2092
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:15,480
So Ari, just for the record, you
are anti kind of happy, fun time

2093
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:20,120
recontextualized music pro
everybody getting eaten in pros,

2094
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:22,920
babies dying on screen.
You know what?

2095
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,120
I guess that's what we learned
here today.

2096
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:28,000
The one thing I'll.
Say there was a there was a punk

2097
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,440
band in the 90s called White
Flag and they were a lounge

2098
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:33,160
band.
Like they did covers of punk

2099
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:36,040
songs as in a lounge band.
They were actually pretty good,

2100
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:39,800
but.
Sorry, I will say the the thing

2101
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:45,120
that makes me go I'll allow it
is that malls always have weird

2102
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:50,680
tinny covers of songs, you know?
And so this being it's the mall

2103
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:55,200
montage and they're doing a
weird muzak mall thing.

2104
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:59,720
And so I'm like, OK, I'll allow
it, but would I listen to the

2105
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:01,080
song for fun?
No.

2106
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,120
Probably not for like, I
wouldn't throw this on for fun.

2107
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:07,640
I do also like the moment when
they're in the elevator and

2108
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:11,280
they're going down and there's
the Muzak version of air

2109
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,400
Supplies of All Out of Love.
Yes.

2110
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:17,320
CJS like I like this song.
Like he seemed smile first

2111
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,360
because yeah, I also like that
song.

2112
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:21,200
Yeah, it's a good sound.
Like a little air supply.

2113
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,600
All right, folks, I think that
wraps it up for Dawn of the

2114
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:26,240
Dead.
It will be interesting.

2115
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:30,560
Next week we do 3300 title of a
Zack Snyder movie.

2116
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:35,760
Ironically enough, when we do
episode 300, will 2004's Dawn of

2117
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:41,360
the Dead make our 25 best horror
movies of this century?

2118
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:43,640
The.
Notes are being tabulated so

2119
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,800
we'll find out.
Yvonne, what do you have coming

2120
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,480
up with Spectre Cinema Club?
What's the theme coming up for

2121
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:52,360
September?
For September, for the movie

2122
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:55,880
him, we are doing bad teachers
and mentors.

2123
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:59,320
We have a interesting line up
for that one.

2124
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:02,520
I will be kicking off the month
with Silence of the Lambs.

2125
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:06,080
Of course.
I know we'll be, I know we've

2126
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,720
chatted doing the Hannibal
movies on here at some point.

2127
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:11,400
But yeah, so we'll be doing
that.

2128
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:17,240
We'll be doing Tainted Love.
We just dropped an episode on

2129
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:20,400
Necromantic 2.
Yes, our first sequel on there.

2130
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:23,040
Masterpiece.
Feminist Masterpiece is already

2131
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:23,600
known.
Absolutely.

2132
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:27,280
What a film, what a film.
And so that is every other

2133
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,080
Wednesday, Spectre Cinema Club,
every Tuesday over on Spectre

2134
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:34,000
Cinema Club over on our Patreon
show, you'll be able to hear my

2135
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:37,800
extended thoughts on Army of the
Dead, which I decided to watch

2136
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:41,000
after this for some reason.
And it's very interesting

2137
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,360
because it's like Netflix was
like, hey, can you make us a

2138
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,080
heist movie?
And then Zacks and I was like,

2139
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:49,280
well, I kind of also want to
make my do my spiritual sequel

2140
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:51,200
zombie movie.
And they're like, Hey, why don't

2141
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:52,760
you just do both?
Sure.

2142
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,400
Just two birds with one stone.
And it is a 2 1/2 hour long kind

2143
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,720
of epic of nothing kind of
movie.

2144
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:03,520
It's there's a good movie in
there, but it's very much the

2145
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:07,160
best of Dawn of the dead.
But then some of his worst

2146
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:10,280
prolifications that he's gained
over the years.

2147
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,000
So it was an interesting little
full circle.

2148
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,840
So I'll have more thoughts of
that over on the Spectra semi

2149
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:19,120
Patreon and you can find me at
all places at Under Score

2150
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:22,200
Daddydisco.
Excellent, Ari, how about

2151
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:24,880
yourself?
You can find me on all the

2152
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:28,160
socials at RE Hellraiser right
now.

2153
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:32,560
I've got my reviews coming out
for London's Fright Fest that's

2154
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,400
going on at time of recording
and so the reviews are dropping

2155
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:38,640
as the movies premiere.
So I will be posting those on

2156
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,320
Instagram, Blue Sky and
Letterbox.

2157
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:41,600
Great.
What?

2158
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:44,080
Where are you covering those?
For film hounds.

2159
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:45,600
Excellent.
Yes.

2160
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:47,960
And where can folks get your
wonderful book?

2161
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:52,320
Oh yeah, Well, I ever remember.
It's become a bit it's.

2162
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:54,280
Not though.
It's like a mental block.

2163
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,080
Yeah.
If you want to hear my thoughts

2164
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:59,440
on more movies like Dawn of the
Dead from 2004, you can find my

2165
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,120
book Millennial Nasties,
wherever books are sold.

2166
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:05,040
You can find it at
itslikeapocalypse.com and

2167
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:09,760
hardcover, paperback, ebook and
audiobook, and you can request

2168
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,400
it at your Public Library if you
don't want to blind by a book

2169
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,600
you haven't read.
Wonderful folks.

2170
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:18,280
You can find us at Pod and
Pendulum over on Blue Sky and

2171
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:22,840
over on Instagram.
You can find me at Mike Snooney

2172
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:27,560
and over on Blue Sky and Mike
Jump change over on a letterbox.

2173
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:31,680
Here's what we have coming up.
Like we mentioned, episode 300

2174
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,040
is next week.
It's going to be an all hands on

2175
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:38,840
deck episode where we countdown
the 25 best horror movies of

2176
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:43,000
this century.
Special thanks so far to Steven,

2177
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46,760
who has put together a
spreadsheet for the ages.

2178
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:51,440
And special thank you to all of
the folks we reached out to to

2179
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:54,000
help contribute to that list in
the voting.

2180
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:56,960
Really excited to do this
episode.

2181
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:01,680
I mean to get to episode 300 and
a cool that won't lie like that

2182
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:04,200
is kind of cool.
I did not think what we did.

2183
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:08,200
If we got past 10 episodes I'd
be thrilled and thank you to all

2184
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:12,040
my Co hosts and folks that have
contributed to make this happen.

2185
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:17,800
Once we get through episode 300
we'll do our Living Dead series

2186
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:21,280
ratings episode.
I think we're limiting it to

2187
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:25,960
just the Romero movies, but if
others speak up strongly and

2188
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:30,320
want to include the other two
films, I'm kind of a pushover.

2189
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:32,520
But that will be our rankings
episode.

2190
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,360
And then Ari, what is the next
franchise we're covering?

2191
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:40,920
The next franchise's Predator.
If it leads, we can kill it.

2192
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,680
That's going to take us pretty
much through the end of the

2193
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:45,160
year.
Dang near.

2194
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:51,960
Because when you factor in 2
movies this year plus the AVP

2195
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:55,760
movies, which we didn't cover
when we did Alien and now we got

2196
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,280
to get to that, that is going to
take us almost through the end

2197
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,760
of the year.
Although we do have a couple

2198
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:04,000
other big franchises on the
docket.

2199
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,480
We do.
And I'm sure come October we

2200
02:00:07,480 --> 02:00:13,080
will also be covering doing some
like fun shorter bonus episodes

2201
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for the month of October.
You're the busiest month of the

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year for horror fans.
But I also think we need to find

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a way to get the new Hell House
movie in somehow in VHS,

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Halloween and as well.
So we'll be doing those as well.

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So between amendums and the
franchise, I'd say, yeah, I'd

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say that's pretty much us
through.

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There I'm kind of tossing around
the idea of like, can we do J

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Hora January where we maybe
don't do a franchise but cover

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some Jay horror movies and then
throw a franchise in at the end

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of that.
So I've been watching all of the

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Ringu and Juan movies and they
are a ride.

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So there we go.
Listeners, thank you so much.

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We hope you've enjoyed really
the end of the summer of George.

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I mean, we're going to have one
little look back, but what a

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journey it has been.
We have really enjoyed covering

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all of these and looking forward
to bringing you next week's

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show.
Take care, everybody.