RANKING THE LIVING DEAD SERIES

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to
the Pod and the Pendulum.

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None.
We are the horror movie podcast.

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It covers all of the franchises
one movie and one episode at a

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time.
I'm your host, Mike Snoonian.

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Got to say, the fall is in the
air.

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The leaves are starting to turn.
The air is a little bit crisper.

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We're throwing on a hoodie.
It's football season.

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The kids are back in school.
But I don't think I can go

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without one last look at the
summer of George and there's no

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one else I'd rather be doing
that tonight with.

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And my Co host, you know him
from Bloody Disgusting Manor,

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Vellum, the podcast Movies for
Life and soon the podcast Holy

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Terrors.
Brian Kiper.

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Brian, how are we?
Doing good.

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It's been that first week of
school, but hey, I'm here and

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I'm not feeling too much like
one of the living dead.

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How feral are the children at a
scale of 1 to 10?

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How?
Well, we started kindergarten

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today and kindergarten's
interesting because these are

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the COVID babies.
These are the babies that were

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born in 2020.
So this is really could be an

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interesting year.
I only had one kid that was

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really off the off the boils
today.

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And then unfortunately they're
not actually in my class.

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So it's all right.
There you go.

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Though I feel bad for my coat,
for my.

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It's funny because this is my
I'm not in public education for

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the first time in six years.
And I went like right before the

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school year started and visited
my old school and the principal

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retired there and the new regime
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And just walking in, it was like
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It was.
Like it felt so good, like you

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could tell it was going to be a
really well run ship and really

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exciting.
And I have gotten to hey, we

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miss you text from my former
counselors who I miss as well.

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I do miss those guys, but I'm
not not upset that I'm not in

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school this year.
I'll just, I'll just say that.

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Which I understand.
But yeah, I feel for all the

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teachers and educators and
counselors going back.

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It's going to be, like you said,
the COVID baby year.

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It's going to be an interesting
year.

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We'll see.
This is the first time I, I

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mentioned this to someone else.
It's like it's the first year

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where I don't feel like I'm
starting over.

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It feels more like a
continuation of what I already

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know.
And so it's, it's an interesting

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feeling.
I'm it's my 10th year and I'm

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just kind of it's everything
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It's almost like, hey, we had a
long break and now we're coming

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back from the long break rather
than just having to start the

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wheel turning again.
It's a interesting feeling.

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Yeah, well, before we get into
like what we're going to do

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tonight is we're going to rank
the George Romero Living Dead

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films.
Actually we're going to rank all

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the Living Dead movies.
Initially I had planned out

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let's do the six Romero movies
as a ranking and everyone else

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decided no, let's rank all 8 of
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Well, just the ones we're
covered.

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Why not?
Yeah, just the ones, you know,

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that are.
But, I mean, I thought it would

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they would be kind of separate
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But I think the crew was right.
You guys made the right call.

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So I think that's fine.
But before we do that, we're

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just coming off our 300th
episode where we ranked, in our

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estimation, the 25 best horror
movies of this century so far,

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which was an epic episode.
It took nearly 4 hours to record

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about four times that to edit,
and hopefully listeners have

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really enjoyed that one.
I was wondering, Brian, was

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there anything coming out of
that episode and that list that

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was surprising to you?
Maybe there were two things.

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Maybe one of them was I was
surprised at how lukewarm so

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many of our panel were on the
number one pick.

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Yeah.
I was really surprised.

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Yeah.
Well, it seemed like, you know,

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you and and Ariel were were
like, yeah, it's totally.

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And the rest of us were like,
you know.

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Right.
We get it, you know.

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And then all of our other
voters, all of our other voters

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had it like really high as well.
Yeah, and and like Steven was

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saying it was, it was far and
away the number one the whole

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time as he was doing the
rankings.

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So I didn't have it on my list
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It's not because I don't think
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And like I said about during the
episode, I didn't put on really

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anything from the sort of
current big name directors.

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So which it, that's just me.
You know, that's not a slam on

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any of those movies, 'cause I
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Do you think there is some
fatigue for that director?

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And I don't know if we we can
listeners for the next two

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minutes.
If you haven't listened to that

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episode and don't want to know
what came in first, like skip

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ahead.
Do you think there's some

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fatigue or maybe because his
last two movies haven't been

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horror movies and also they
haven't been box office

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successes either, that there's a
little bit of backlash?

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I don't know, that's an
interesting question because I

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kind of wonder if people are,
man, Ari Astor is just one of

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those guys because he came out
swinging so hard with Hereditary

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and Midsummer that we, you know,
everyone was ready to just sort

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of fall at his feet.
Then Beau is Afraid is such a

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different movie than that.
I mean, to me, I didn't put Beau

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is Afraid on my list only
because on the of that year,

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only because I don't think it's
a horror movie.

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I think it's something else.
I think it's an interesting

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movie, but I don't think it's a
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I don't think Eddington's a
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But you could argue that the N
1's not a horror movie either.

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There's so much comparison
between those two guys too that

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you just get, you know, Eggers
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It's like they're at war with
each other in people's minds.

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But I don't think that's really
the case at all.

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They're just fulfilling
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niches, I think.
I was a bit surprised that no

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Babadook and I wonder if the
Babadook had to walk so that

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hereditary could run.
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So I think they're totally very
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Now, The Babadook did go on my
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It was toward the bottom, but it
is on my list because I think I,

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I connect with that movie more
deeply on a personal level.

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I think it doesn't even
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know, I think it's pretty clear
that the kid is autistic, for

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example.
And, and I am very connected

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with that in my own family.
And so it has a special meaning

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to me.
Whereas hereditary I've seen

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once and I, it left me feeling
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I mean, it just was it really
just I had to go walk in the

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sun, I think.
It's a tough hang.

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I mean, it's a movie that like
is a tough hang.

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I will say that I think it's a
movie that studying it and

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watching it repeatedly, like the
filmmaking that goes into it is

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incredible.
And like going back and re

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watching it and seeing how some
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and how everything is like
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I.
Was but it's I can understand, I

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think like to Stevens Point and
not everybody's going to want to

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go and I think Lindsay said the
same thing coming out of that

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movie.
You don't feel that great?

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No, but that doesn't mean I
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It's just that it wasn't a
personal pick for me.

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A couple other surprises, I
think was no sinister, no Scott

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Derrickson.
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And also no conjuring at all
from anything.

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No big outside of like Saw, no
really big tent pole.

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Like no it chapter one right?
No conjuring.

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None of the Purge movies made it
movies that made like a

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bajillion dollars.
And I think maybe because our

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list was more critics than it
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And I'm not saying that those
critics aren't fans, but I

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think, like, we tend to
gravitate certain to certain

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films that I posted on Thursday.
And like, man, I think this new

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Conjuring movie is going to
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Like I have not heard anyone
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then the next morning I post I'm
like I could be wrong but and

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then the next day I posted well
I was wrong.

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Yeah, it was.
How huge that movie is.

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And I haven't.
I went to the movies this week

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and I swear there was no one at
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I didn't see The Conjuring.
I saw some other things I saw.

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I saw The Godfather and I saw
Citizen Kane this week.

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On the big.
Screen on the.

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Weekend.
Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, The Regal is doing a a a
movie every day.

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A classic movie every day.
I'm going to see Goodfellas

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tomorrow and Taxi Driver on
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Jesus Christ, I'm very, I know.
I know.

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And 2001 later in the month.
But anyway, it's just like so.

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But when I went, it was like,
there's no one here.

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But then I see the news that The
Conjuring made, you know, $194

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million worldwide on its opening
weekend.

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And I was like, wow, I guess
people, it's went to the movies.

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I, I went Saturday because like
everyone at the house was sick

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except for me.
And at that time and now I am so

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great.
But I went Saarin and IMAX and

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it wasn't necessarily a packed
house, but it was an OK crowd.

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I had more fun with it than I
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I had pretty low expectations
going to say I saw the roses the

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next date on a date with my wife
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the road.
And that was a delight.

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That was actually really great,
so I highly recommend.

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That one, yeah.
I was surprised that there was

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no found footage.
Good call.

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I put on my list.
I put.

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No, I can never pronounce the
name right, nor I the the, the

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curse the.
Curse.

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Yeah, which I just saw for the
first time just a couple months

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ago on my Co host of Holy
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His recommendation?
I was like, jeez, this is

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incredible.
So I'm not a big found footage

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person, but I really like that.
It's the Japanese Blair Witch

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Project, yeah, to the point
where it mirrors a lot of that

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structure.
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And I really enjoyed.
I actually may go see it on the

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big screen, the nice Rattle
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Speaking of found footage, in
Cambridge, they're doing like a

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found footage week, like they're
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Twin Peaks, The Return, whether.
It's going to.

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Binge it over a week basically.
But they're also doing like all

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found footage right after that.
So Hell house LLC, Willow Creek,

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Norway, the curse.
I think the McPherson tapes like

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some other good wins that are on
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Yeah.
I mean, because the obviously,

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especially, you know, in the
wake of Blair Witch, we came out

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in 99 and I mean you'd have a
lot of found footage in, in

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this, you know, quarter century
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It hit its peak between that and
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paranormal activity like that
was the I think I had paranormal

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activity 3 on my list.
I think that's like the best

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made of the bunch.
Sure, like which I I think a lot

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of folks feel as well, but it
felt like that I had The Last

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Exorcism on that list, which is
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That's really.
Good we watched The Conjuring 2

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as a family movie The other
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Like after seeing the 4th one
I'm like I'll throw this on and

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the nice like don't have to pay
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movie.
And my take on that still is

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like, Patrick Fabian really
should have the career that

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Patrick Wilson, his head,
that'll be the hill I will die

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on.
Although Wilson's grown on me a

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bit, I'm notoriously a bit of a
curmudgeon when it comes to him.

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I think Patrick Fabian is
phenomenal.

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That was my big like, there's no
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No, Thai W was another one that
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But I thought Pearl might have
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Pearl or XI had House of the
Devil for myself.

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Yeah, or even the innkeepers.
There's some, there's some good

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stuff, yeah.
So overall solid list.

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Like there was nothing that was
like I think the top five, you

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could have swapped any of them
around and that could have been

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your number one.
I think you could say that for a

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lot of the top ten that made it
on there.

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Yeah, I was honestly one, and I
was delighted.

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I was surprised the dissent made
it as high as it did because I

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didn't expect that at all,
considering that I looked at a

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lot of people's lists outside of
our little community and the

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dissent wasn't on their list at
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No.
And and so that.

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We all loved that one.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I was delighted that Let the
Right One In was in there too.

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Also really high up.
Yeah exactly.

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Well deserved.
I do wish session 9 made it.

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But and the thing session 9's on
my list too.

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And I mean battery almost.
I would have put the battery on.

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There battery made mine.
Spring did make mine.

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I think I said I took it off.
It ended up being a bit lower

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down.
The Harbinger made mine as well.

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Which I still haven't seen.
Yeah.

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It's really good.
I think you would love that

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movie.
I I've liked everything Andy

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Mitten has done, starting with
like he Co directed Yellow Brick

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Road.
The Witch in the window is

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really strong.
I think a dark song is in there

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as well.
Yeah, but all right, well,

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before we get ahead of before we
get too carried away here, just

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let's.
Rattle off our own personal Yeah

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before.
We yeah, before we do that.

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So what we're going to do here
is we're just going to run

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through how our crew, the ones
that voted ranked the 8 films

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that comprise the Living Dead
series, what we covered for the

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Summer of George.
And it's kind of like a a little

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bit of a wind down episode
before we get back to what we

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do, which is like a deep dive
into Predator next week.

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But I do what these big
franchises I do like to go

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through and rank and something
has to bring up the rear.

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So, Brian, you had the dubious
honor.

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So I assume we're starting from
the from the from the bottom

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right.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

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If we go with the top, then
after the top too, it's like

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we'll just.
I get pretty anti climb back to

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go that way.
OK, so our bottom #8 is survival

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of the dead, which is well,
George would be very upset

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because this is apparent was
apparently his second favorite

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of the dead movies, which after
well, I think people know which

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one it is, but I won't say it
yet.

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But yeah, it's just apparently
was his second favorite.

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And I'm like, OK, yeah, the
zombie riding a horse lost me.

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Did he say why?
It was something along the lines

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of people don't understand that
it's a comedy or something like

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that.
I know.

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There are funny bits and you you
can see where he's going for

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some comedy in it, sure, but it
has to be funny.

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We've watched plenty of movies
that aren't explicitly comedies

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but they have laugh out loud
moments.

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Get Out is not a comedy, and yet
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Moments of that which are.
Hilarious, right?

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Yeah.
That's a good point.

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Sinners has some great comic
bits in it as well.

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Right?
Yeah.

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For sure.
Comedy is really hard.

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I know comedy and horror, like
they have a lot of the same

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beats and structure in terms of
like how you set up, like the

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payoff and punchline, but
there's just survival.

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I can see where he's saying
that, but it's just it's not

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good.
Yeah, I, it did.

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I, I made it.
I tried to rewatch it.

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I got about halfway through it
and I just couldn't.

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I couldn't, not for me.
And it wasn't even my bottom of

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the list personally.
Oh wow.

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Yeah, it was.
It was second to last, but yeah.

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When Tarantino has talked about
film makers like losing their

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fastball as they get older and
like how he's wants wants to

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retire after like this 10th
movie, he would often bring up

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like latter day Hitchcock and
talk about like Topaz and family

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plot which were Hitchcock near
the end.

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But Hitchcock near the end also
made The Birds.

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Yeah, he made Marnie and he made
Frenzy.

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Yeah, I would say and I would.
Say Family Plot.

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Frankly, I think Family plot's
kind of a hoot.

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It's not.
I haven't watched it all the way

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through, I've just started
watching it and then like had to

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conk out.
Yeah, I think the one that's

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that's a real Turkey is, is
Topaz.

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But yeah, I, I know, I, I know
that argument.

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But then I see.
Well, you also have Martin

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Scorsese, who makes Killers of
the Flower Moon when he's 80 and

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you know, so you know, it
depends.

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I I would say that Romero is a
much more apt example to use

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because I do think that these
and land of the dead has some

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fun moments, but you get to
survival of the dead and you get

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to the next one we'll introduce
in a second.

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And they're just they're bad
movies.

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Like there's they're you know,
we've had some contenders for

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what's the worst movie we've
covered here.

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And I famously don't love Mandy,
but I understand that's a well

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made movie.
That's just not for me.

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And I can be just douchey about
it.

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But like something like Survival
of the Dead is not a well made

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movie.
It's just it's really clunky.

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The CGI is awful.
I said when we covered it, like

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Malcolm McDowell finally found a
script maybe he didn't like and

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turned down because that role
seemed like a Malcolm McDowell

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role if there ever was 1.
And another not great movie is

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her #7 which I thought was going
to be my NUM my #8 but it was my

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#7 Diary of the Dead, which is
George Romero doing a found

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footage movie and explaining the
rules of found footage to the

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audience before it kind of gets
going.

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OK.
And I had to put a couple of

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these on here, I'll admit, out
of my sort of sense of them from

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when I first saw them, which
wasn't necessarily recently.

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And Diary of the Dead was one of
them.

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I put Diary of the Dead at the
bottom.

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But if I watched it and
Survival, which I don't know if

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I want to do it, I may well have
swapped them to the order that

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we have here on this list to to
Diary being slightly better.

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But yeah, that's such a big
problem with this movie.

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It sort of sits the reset
button.

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It's to go back to this is the
outbreak at the beginning.

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He's trying to jump on the found
footage bandwagon, but not

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really having much of an idea of
how to make that work.

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And you know, the keep shooting
no matter what in this

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particular movie is just
ridiculous.

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There's at least three instances
where like their friend is going

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to get murdered.
And that's The thing is like,

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this is a group of friends and
they're about to get eaten and

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no one steps in.
Multiple people keep filming

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this stupid movie.
The reason it's not last for me,

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it's two reason.
Number one, I can understand

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what Romero was trying to do.
He didn't have a great

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experience making Land of the
Dead and trying to go back in

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the studio system.
So he wanted to do something

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small that he could do, like
just go on the fly and do as he

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saw fit.
I understand that was appealing

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to him, so I get that.
The other thing is I do think

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that unlike survival, the
message in this movie is

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fantastic.
This idea of media manipulation

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and fake news and, and it
predicted what we're seeing in

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2025, more than 15 years before
it actually happened.

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So he was like the sharpest
Romero commentary.

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He's able to kind of see it
before it actually happens and

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predict it.
And I think the messaging here

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is amongst the strongest and
it's fairly well done.

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But the actual movie itself,
from the performances to just

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the look of it, to OK now we're
clearly moving towards more CGI

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over practical.
That didn't make for a fun

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watch.
Which is just a strange

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inclination on his part because
he resisted that so much.

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I mean, there's a commentary
before Land of the Dead came out

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that's on Dawn of the Dead, the
original, and him and Tom

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Savini.
Tom Savini is saying, hey, we

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can blend CGI and practical
effects and all this stuff.

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Tom Savini's like saying we
should use CGI.

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George is like, now I don't
think I can do that at all, not

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even slightly.
And I I thought, well, that's

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interesting.
So for him to just completely

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swing the other way and and to
just have it not really go very

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well is a real shame.
It felt like it became an issue

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of speed.
Oh, I can shoot 7 pages a day

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instead of three, and I know we
can fix it later.

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And the problem was like, that's
great if you have like a big

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budget where you can use very
good CGI, but you're not doing

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that here.
You're getting what you pay for.

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And it's not that it's like
terrible, but it's a noticeable

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step down from even land of the
dead.

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And then, my God, you look at
Day of the Dead, which they made

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for almost nothing, and zombies
have never looked better on a

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screen, right?
Yeah, I know.

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It's interesting because I doubt
that they would have had the

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budget to do practical on diary
or survival, even though, I

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mean, even though the CGI looks,
you know, low budget and I think

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I think practical would have
been impossible because they

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just couldn't afford it.
It's kind of amazing because,

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you know, he was able to get so
much for a pretty decent budget

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for the first time on land.
And then when that didn't do so

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well, just.
Yeah.

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Anyway, Speaking of land of the
dead, Land of the dead is our

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next one.
What?

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Where are we at?
Number six and from for me from

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here on out there at least
watchable.

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You know I think land is pretty
fun.

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I had a good time with this
rewatch this time through you

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know I wasn't necessarily going
to do that episode but it ended

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up working out and it was like
hey, this is hey, I like this

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this is pretty fun.
I think it's got a lot of it has

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some wonkiness to it, but I
actually put this a little bit

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higher, I think one place higher
than this.

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But it's, yeah, I don't know,
pretty fun.

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I think Lego Zamos got his, got
his moments.

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And, you know, and it's nice
seeing the Shawn of the dead

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guys, you know, Edgar Wright and
Simon Pegg get to get their

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picture taken with with some
people.

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Yeah, I I agree with you.
Like everything from this point

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on, like something has to be at
the bottom of the good movies.

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And yeah, this is just happens
to be at the bottom of it.

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I am glad that it exists.
It's a lot of fun.

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And it's Romero getting the
money to do what he wanted to do

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with Day of the Dead.
So it is kind of interesting to

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watch this like right after day
and see like, this is what the

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scope would look like.
Dennis Hopper is having a lot of

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fun in this movie.
Like he's really great in this.

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He's behind Leguizamo, probably
the most fun person to watch in

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this movie.
There's a very good mix like

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Nick Otero and K&B take over for
Tom Savini, who at this point

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just kind of wants to act more
than and run his makeup school

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more than run effects.
And I think Nick Otero does such

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a good job with like what the
effects are.

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Even though there is some CGI,
it does kind of carry over those

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themes from Day of the Dead in
terms of like the zombies

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getting more sentiment in
forming their own community,

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which I don't necessarily love
because then it's kind of like,

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I don't know, like there's
something about the.

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Are they even zombies anymore?
Right, but.

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But then Big Daddy is one of the
more interesting characters.

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He is, yeah.
He is get out of this.

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It's this one holds a special
place in my heart just because

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of the time and place.
I saw her, like I mentioned on

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that episode, doing the zombie
shuffle down Fenway Park in

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Lansdowne St. on the night
everyone's clubbing and freaking

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people out.
And just that time was a really

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special 1.
So I do enjoy it.

449
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,160
And it's Romero kind of getting
to take a well deserved victory

450
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,480
lap for creating the sub genre,
but also not mimicking what just

451
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,360
happened with Day of the The
Dawn of the Dead remake and

452
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,360
Shaun of the Dead.
And even 28 days later, he's

453
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,040
like, I want to do something a
little different.

454
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,600
Yeah, I mean, he takes his own,
it's his own zombies.

455
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,960
It's not trying to be anyone
else's.

456
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,760
And you know, I mean, Shaun of
the Dead arguably is trying to

457
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,240
be Romero zombies and just doing
some and, you know, really

458
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,240
getting to the heart of what the
best Romero zombie movies do.

459
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520
And that's do a political satire
in the process.

460
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,640
And so, and I think as far as
it's it's hard to miss the the

461
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
political thrust of this movie
where you might and some of the

462
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,920
others, you know, especially the
first trilogy.

463
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,960
I think you can watch those
without necessarily grasping

464
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720
every single thing He's going
for this one.

465
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,800
I think it's pretty clear.
It's pretty obvious from start

466
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,280
to finish.
Really funny watching Dennis

467
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:46,040
Hopper essentially play Donald
Rumsfeld or Dick Cheney.

468
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,240
Like that's essentially who he's
playing in his characterization

469
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,400
here.
And Hopper, I don't know how

470
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,560
this happened, but went from
being one of the real like

471
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,880
Hollywood outlaws to one of the
staunchest like members of like

472
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,440
conservative Hollywood.
And it's really interesting when

473
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,840
he would talk about this movie,
like knowing what he was, who he

474
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,320
was representing, but also like,
but they're not bad guys.

475
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Like, you know, they're all
right, They're the good guys,

476
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,200
so.
It's so interesting.

477
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
I mean, he wasn't a, he was a
smart guy, so it's not like he

478
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,560
was.
It was the cognitive dissonance

479
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,400
must have been interesting going
on in his head there.

480
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,880
I got to say though.
I don't know enough about Dennis

481
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Hopper to understand, like, how
that shift happened, Like I

482
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,080
don't.
Either.

483
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,120
You know, if there's a good
biography on Hopper, I'd be

484
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,920
happy to read it and just see
where that political

485
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,520
metamorphosis took place,
because that is fascinating.

486
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,920
He was the embodiment of the new
left in the 60s and 70s.

487
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,280
I mean, it's just that's who he
was, and for him to literally

488
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,480
put on the cloak of Donald
Rumsfeld his latter days is

489
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,920
really interesting.
Yeah.

490
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,680
Well, fascinating guy though, I
got to say.

491
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,560
It is.
Well, our number 5 was the Night

492
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,960
of the Living Dead remake from
1990, which was written by

493
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,600
George Romero and directed by
Tom Savini.

494
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,840
And I had this one pretty high.
I will get to it later.

495
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,840
I had this one higher than one
of the lynchpin Romero films,

496
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760
which I think maybe even knocked
it out of the top spot.

497
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,200
So you can blame me.
Fans and listeners of A.

498
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Well, we only had three voters,
so that's.

499
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,000
True, it was a small, it was a
smaller list so, but I really

500
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,680
enjoyed this.
I thought it did what a good

501
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,200
remake should in that it stays
true to the spirit of the

502
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440
original, but it forges its own
path.

503
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,680
Yeah, to me, there are parts
when I'm watching and I'm like,

504
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,840
does the original film exist in
this continuity?

505
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,920
Which it doesn't.
It's a new outbreak, right?

506
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Felt like it could.
Yeah, it's again, this one is.

507
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,800
It's been a while since I've
seen this one, but I appreciate

508
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,160
it and I'm glad it's there and
I'm really glad that it's

509
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,520
getting this restoration and
everything.

510
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,520
I think that's really exciting
news.

511
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560
More.
We're getting Tom Savini's full

512
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,560
gore version of it coming out,
which I think is fantastic.

513
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Yeah.
I remember seeing it, I don't

514
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,480
know, early 90s and, and there
were a few things that I

515
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,320
remember kind of bothered me.
Like there, there's the part

516
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400
where at the beginning the
zombie knocks Johnny over and,

517
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,080
you know, smashes his head
against the tombstone.

518
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,880
And it is so clearly a fake head
that it's, it's it really, I

519
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
remember that taking me out.
Whereas, you know, obviously in

520
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680
the original film, it's a cut,
you know, you don't actually see

521
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,680
him hit you, but you see the
aftermath and there's, you know,

522
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,000
it's more effective.
Arguably, I would say I don't

523
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,160
know if it's actually.
I don't know if it's arguable

524
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,960
it's.
No, it's like the mannequin from

525
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,960
the movie Mannequin starring
Andrew McCarthy.

526
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Yeah, yeah.
But anyway, but as as a piece of

527
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,160
film, I think it's it's really
solid.

528
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,520
And like you said, it's a really
good remake.

529
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,800
And when you're remaking
something as iconic as Night of

530
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,440
the Living Dead, you're always
going to grab those comparisons

531
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200
and it's going to be impossible
to come out of the shadow of it.

532
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,760
But that said, they did take
some different directions with

533
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,000
it.
You know, I don't want to spoil

534
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720
the ending, but I mean, that is
memorable.

535
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:46,520
And to to use that line in that
new context is really effective.

536
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Yeah.
So it's the strongest woman

537
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120
Romero ever wrote.
And it's like the best developed

538
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,040
1, like this new Barbara, it's
the best developed one.

539
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Overall, I I really like the
character of Barbara in this one

540
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,720
in that she's much more of a
fighter.

541
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,880
She's the smartest one in the
room and she's constantly

542
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,200
dismissed.
Like at the point where she

543
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
looks at all the zombies and
she's like, you know, we can

544
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,520
just run away from them.
Like they're very, very slow.

545
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,320
And we can like she has Devon's
argument like Devon is like

546
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,560
these these Romero zombies are
slow.

547
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,000
I can just walk away.
And she's right about that.

548
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:33,320
But also seeing like Tony Todd,
Bill Mosley, Tom Towles, and

549
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,600
there's one that I'm missing
right now, William Butler.

550
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Like a lot of these like horror,
like iconic horror performers

551
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,600
before they were really iconic.
Like this is pre Candy Man.

552
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,920
Bill Mosley's coming off of
playing Chop Top a couple years

553
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,840
earlier, but that's I think
still an underseen movie at that

554
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,320
time.
Texas Chainsaw 2 was not

555
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960
particularly well received and
it was not initially, so it's

556
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,040
grown over time.
It was Tom Towles coming off of

557
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,360
Henry Portrait of a Serial
Killer, which again, at that

558
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,080
time would have been like a very
hard movie to see.

559
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,560
So I don't know, like to me, it
worked.

560
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,040
I really enjoyed it.
I thought the zombies looked

561
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,360
fantastic.
It's a different look from the

562
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,360
other Romero films, and I
appreciate that about this.

563
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,320
And it's a really great design.
And again, it's all practical

564
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,400
effects.
Yeah, yeah.

565
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Which I'm sure the director
would have insisted on.

566
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,360
You're up.
OK, next we got another remake,

567
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Dawn of the Dead 2004 Zack
Snyder.

568
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,640
OK, I didn't talk about this
movie before because it's I I

569
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,640
and it doesn't do it for me.
This is I appreciate that it is

570
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,480
well made.
I do, but I can't stand any of

571
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,360
the characters.
I can't stand the fast zombie

572
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,960
thing.
Really kind of doesn't work for

573
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,880
me.
It doesn't have any to me there.

574
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,920
It's, you know, Stephen King's
line for why he doesn't like the

575
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Stanley Kubrick shining.
It's like it's a big beautiful

576
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Cadillac with no motor in it.
That's kind of how I feel about

577
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,280
this movie.
I I think it's really well made,

578
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,520
just doesn't do it for me.
I I think it's fine.

579
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,760
I mean I give it like 3 a three
star rating.

580
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,640
Yeah, which is a watchable
movie.

581
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,280
It's a watch.
Three stars is like a watch,

582
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,640
something you'd put on in the
background or hey, I haven't

583
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,040
seen this in forever.
I wonder how it holds up.

584
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,520
That said, the opening sequence
is fantastic.

585
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,680
OK.
So I mean, it's not like there's

586
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,080
nothing that I like about this
movie, actually, You know, like

587
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,160
I said, Three Stars is.
Yeah, it's fine.

588
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,840
I'd watch it again.
I probably will.

589
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,200
And I bought the Blu-ray with
Land of the Dead, so I might as

590
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:57,680
well.
Right?

591
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Yeah.
So yeah, part of it is very few

592
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Zack Snyder films really do it
for me.

593
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,280
But again, I know this is a much
beloved remake, and I am happy

594
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,199
that people like it.
I am happy that it exists and

595
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,920
I'm happy that it was successful
because it's sort of, I don't

596
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,239
know, it was a big moment in the
revitalization of the whole

597
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,120
zombie subgenre.
It's one of the big three from

598
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,480
the early.
Absolutely.

599
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,880
That 28 days later, yeah, Shawn
of the Dead and Shawn of the

600
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,760
dead and I would say Shawn of
the Dead or 28 Days later are

601
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,159
the best of the three.
Oh, that was my other surprise.

602
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,360
No horror comedies.
That's a.

603
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Good point.
No meta horror, no Cabin of the

604
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,920
Woods, no Rise of Leslie Vernon.
One that I thought of later, I

605
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,400
don't know.
Yeah, it's sort of one of those

606
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,120
where, why didn't that end up on
my list, you know?

607
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,680
I don't know.
And Shawn of the dead I boy,

608
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,240
maybe.
I think that one was on my list

609
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,880
if it.
Didn't on my list as well.

610
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Yeah, if it didn't make it on
the final.

611
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,760
Horror comedies made the list.
That was surprise, and no meta

612
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
horror made the list.
None of that.

613
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Like we know we've seen horror
movies before.

614
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,440
I put Scream 4 on my personal
list.

615
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,840
Of course I did.
That's right.

616
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,760
It is with you know, and it
probably deserve if I was going

617
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,640
to put a scream movie on, that
would have been the 1 and I love

618
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,880
that franchise, but it just just
didn't make the cut.

619
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,440
But for me, this movie, it again
does what a remake should do is

620
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,880
that it honors the original, but
it does its own thing.

621
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,400
It does.
It doesn't have the and Ari made

622
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
some good points of the episode
on some of the commentary that

623
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,600
it does make.
I was.

624
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,520
I didn't make this comment on
the episode.

625
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,640
I thought of it before and then
forgot to jot it down.

626
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,560
You could almost take because
when this comes out in 2004 and

627
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,520
it's a hyper military time in
our history, it's a very pro.

628
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,760
We're getting like a lot of
nationalism is building up and

629
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,400
we're like fighting one war
about to start fighting in

630
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,480
another that you could have
taken the zombies out and swap

631
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,680
them with like Afghanistanians
at this point or some sort of

632
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080
invading terrorists.
Like it plays almost more like a

633
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,920
remake of Red Dawn than it does
of the Dawn of the Dead original

634
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,880
film at some points.
Like to me it's a very much that

635
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,320
kind of pro military, which I
think some of Snyder's films do

636
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480
kind of get bogged down with a
little bit it.

637
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,800
Yeah.
It's empty.

638
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,760
It's a very pretty movie and I
think Zack Snyder shoots a very

639
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360
pretty movie.
I think it's the best thing he's

640
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,760
done.
Overall.

641
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,440
I enjoy it.
I would and I had it third on my

642
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,040
list.
I actually had it fairly high

643
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,960
up.
And I think in part because I, I

644
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,560
think we said this before we
even started, a lot of the

645
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,440
Romero films just weren't for
me.

646
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,320
Sure.
Yeah.

647
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Which which I get.
I mean, I and I, I should

648
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,400
qualify One of the things I
said, I said I didn't like the

649
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,960
characters.
I like the Ving Rhames

650
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400
character.
Yeah, Yeah, so.

651
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,200
But a lot of them just kind of
strike me as hollow or just kind

652
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,000
of unlikable.
And I really love the scene.

653
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,680
Just the thing where they're
communicating with the guy

654
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000
through the board.
With Andy and the board.

655
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,280
And then it's the the smear of
blood that is that's a great

656
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,960
scene.
I there's a lot of good stuff in

657
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,120
this movie.
And like you said, Zack Snyder

658
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,880
knows how to shoot a shoot a
movie.

659
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,200
But yeah, for me, it's just kind
of like it's, it's all right.

660
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,840
And I would say you're spot on.
Like the 1st 10 minutes are

661
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,080
perfect.
Like the 1st 10 minutes all the

662
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,560
way through the use of Johnny
Cash.

663
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,320
Is that when the man comes
around?

664
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Yeah, it's fantastic.
OK, who's next, you or me?

665
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,760
Is it?
I think it's you.

666
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:10,400
OK #3 and this was my #2 pick,
1985's Day of the Dead, which I

667
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,520
think no surprise here, it's
generally considered like the

668
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,200
least of the original Romero
zombie trilogy, surprisingly

669
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,520
enough.
Like this was almost my number

670
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,040
one.
I think this if I wanted to put

671
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,160
on like a fun horror movie I'd
watched the last 30 minutes of

672
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,320
this cause the flowers not so
much fun.

673
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
So I misspoke a bit but I don't
think zombies have ever looked

674
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,160
better than they do like the
works Savidi did here.

675
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Savini essentially Co directs
the movie and how it's going to

676
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,800
look.
I feel like I think Sarah is one

677
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,800
of the stronger characters they
have in any of the Romero films

678
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,400
as well.
It works.

679
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,720
It has a hopeful ending, unlike
the others where it's well, I

680
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:58,040
guess Don has a bit, but it's
not that bleak ending.

681
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,240
The last Captain Rhodes is just
and and Doctor Frankenstein and

682
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,560
Bob, they're three very
memorable characters.

683
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,280
Captain Rhodes is a fan fucking
casting and his ending like you

684
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,880
just really can't wait for him
to get what's coming to him.

685
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,600
You really can't wait.
And when he gets pulled apart,

686
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,760
you're rooting for it, but he
still, like gets the joke on

687
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,240
him.
Like, it's such a great ending.

688
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,720
Like the last 30 minutes of this
are so great.

689
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,640
And it pushes forth some of the
ideas that even as early as

690
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,120
Night of the Living Dead, when
they're using rocks as tools to

691
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,680
try to break in, you, now you're
seeing that evolve and got it.

692
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,240
It's such a bleak beginning when
you realize like there's 400,000

693
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,360
zombies for everyone living
human.

694
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,080
It's so bleak.
Yeah.

695
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,280
But I'd almost welcome it in
2025.

696
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,520
What are your thoughts on Day?
OK Day of the dead, this was my

697
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,960
#3 but these top three are
really close for me.

698
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,320
This one has grown on me over
the years a lot because I first

699
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,240
time I saw it, I was a big dawn
head and was just sort of like,

700
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Oh, this is so I, I want that
and that this is not that, you

701
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
know what I mean?
Just the bleakness of it and the

702
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,560
gore and really put me off at
first, I think.

703
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,880
But now it's like I, I really
like what it's doing.

704
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,520
And I think, like you said, this
is Tom Savini's masterpiece and

705
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,160
he calls it that himself.
This is his the epitome of his

706
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,320
work.
And so it's the last thing, you

707
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:46,720
know, right for him.
And it's just from a makeup

708
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,120
standpoint, from an effect
standpoint alone, is there's no

709
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,040
better zombie movie, I think
maybe ever.

710
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,600
Everything in Frankenstein's
lab, yeah, just is just gorgeous

711
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,920
and beautiful.
And you realize you're using

712
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,160
like for the one where it's just
the brain and they're using like

713
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,560
an actual human body with the
performer with his head just

714
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,240
tucked underneath.
Like how, how painful that must

715
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,720
have been.
Well, just like to get that shot

716
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,360
like it's God, love it.
Like they were really doing some

717
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,840
work.
Well, my my thought is, you

718
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,120
know, the greatest thing a movie
can do, especially an effects

719
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,360
movie, is have you ask how did
they do that?

720
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,960
And I think this movie does that
so well.

721
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560
It's just that beautiful magic
trick from the effects

722
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,360
standpoint, from a story
standpoint, obviously it's very

723
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080
bleak.
It's a little talky, I think in

724
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,800
the first section.
Yeah.

725
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,880
That's I guess my trepidation
with it is, you know, show me a

726
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,080
little bit more, tell me less,
you know, but but it's

727
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,920
interesting stuff.
It's it's like the philosophical

728
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,960
arguments of it all and things
are are all it's not that they

729
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,840
aren't interesting.
And this just the way that these

730
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,120
three sort of sections of
humanity, you know, and we see

731
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,040
this now, I mean, with science
versus the military as it's

732
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,480
almost, you know, too much
fucking perspective to quote.

733
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaking of the military, it
wouldn't say that Romero would

734
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,320
have predicted this, but 40
years after it comes out, we're

735
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,000
looking at troops deployed in
American.

736
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,000
I know going on your military
rule, like there's a line like

737
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,760
this became a military operation
when I took over.

738
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,880
Like it just took takes 1 scared
man who no one will stand up to

739
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:40,160
for things to go completely hey.
Absolutely, absolutely.

740
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:46,000
And it's interesting because I
mean, someone used the, I was

741
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,480
reading 1984 and he said, yeah,
his crystal ball has never been

742
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,280
sharper.
And I think that is apartment

743
00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:00,320
for George Romero, too, in all
three of these, these top three,

744
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,920
I mean, because they all have
something that is very poignant

745
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520
for today, I think.
I think, yeah.

746
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,360
So I would say like this in is
as much as I, you know, had that

747
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,160
movie near the bottom of my
list.

748
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:21,000
This in diary have the messages
that resonate the most in 2025,

749
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,920
but we have two more movies to
talk about.

750
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,920
And Brian, what is our number 2?
Here's where the shockers come

751
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,000
in.
Twist.

752
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,800
What A twist.
Number 2 is Dawn of the Dead

753
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,560
1978.
If this was my number one,

754
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,320
However, it was a really hard
choice this time.

755
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,840
I, I, I almost flipped it the
other way.

756
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,840
I do think that there are, like
you've talked about, there's

757
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,200
some sections.
I think if you cut out, you

758
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,120
know, 20 minutes for or 10
minutes from certain sections,

759
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,240
you have a tighter film and
probably have a better film.

760
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,400
However, that said, I fucking
love this movie.

761
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,480
I, it is, I think what I like
about it is that it is a fun

762
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,880
horror movie and you get the
gore not quite on the level of

763
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,680
day, but it's pretty close at
times.

764
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,520
You know, there's this is Tom
Savini really becoming Tom

765
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,600
Savini, which is exciting to
see.

766
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,360
You know, you see how this leads
to Friday the 13th and so forth.

767
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,360
I, I love the characters in this
movie.

768
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,440
I think that they're very
beautifully drawn and we get to

769
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,040
spend some nice time with them,
you know where you get to.

770
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:42,200
So I guess you really feel it
when someone goes and it's

771
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:47,000
really means something.
Even Flyboy, who is sort of

772
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,280
unlikable, I think you can feel
a level of empathy for his

773
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,680
situation as well.
So, And they're all flawed.

774
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,120
And that's one of the things
that's great.

775
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,600
It's not just these are all, you
know, this one's perfect.

776
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,560
This is the bad guy.
This is the one who hides that

777
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,560
he's been bitten.
This is, you know, it's not what

778
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,480
the zombie genre became.
It is about people in an

779
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,040
extraordinary circumstance who
and you also get, you know, some

780
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,400
of the best commentary about
consumerism that's ever been put

781
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,440
on film.
Just the idea it's like, you

782
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,840
know, this place meant something
to them.

783
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,440
It was special to them.
I think that line is so funny in

784
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,080
a lot of ways because the kid,
you know, as someone who as a

785
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,800
child of the 80s and 90s, yeah,
the ball was where we lived.

786
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,800
It was special to us.
And it is kind of funny and

787
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,680
ridiculous to think that that's
was the case, right?

788
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,240
I'd almost love to see this
movie were made now where there

789
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,960
are so many abandoned malls.
Abandoned where there are so

790
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,200
many when you go in and there
are ghost towns.

791
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,800
That could be a fascinating
thing that would be right for

792
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,360
some commentary where like this
monument to consumerism has now

793
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,320
been gutted and replaced with
something else.

794
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,280
It's like the way people are
nostalgic for Blockbuster when

795
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,200
Blockbuster wiped out video
stores, but then Blockbuster was

796
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,840
wiped out by Netflix and
screaming malls wiped out the

797
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,720
corner store, the mom and pop
shop, and then they got wiped

798
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,000
out by Amazon and online
shopping and convenience and

799
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,120
cheap pricing.
I I think that there's a lot

800
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,040
that like yours.
I mean, it's interesting that we

801
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,680
can talk about a movie that's
coming on 50 years old and it

802
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,760
still has this poignancy to it.
I think that's remarkable.

803
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,720
And Romero really was able to
tap into those kinds of things

804
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:53,120
in a really great way.
And I always appreciate that.

805
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,640
That's what I really enjoy about
the best of these.

806
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,360
Right.
For Romero, to me, as someone

807
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,440
who loved people as individuals
but did not like humanity, and

808
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,600
he saw a lot of the flaws in
humanity, but he loved people,

809
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,440
if that makes sense.
And I think you see that in the

810
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,320
foursome here where they feel
like a family, they feel like a

811
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,480
tight new unit.
And it's one of the strengths of

812
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,360
them luxuriating in that mall.
And I honestly, I find this

813
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,680
movie like I had this at #5 just
found once they get to the mall,

814
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,680
it slows down so much for me
that I find myself easily

815
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,440
distracted where that first 30
minutes, especially the opening

816
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920
in The Newsroom and the chaos
that is there.

817
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,320
And again, being way ahead of
its time, you have the producer

818
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,840
saying, I don't care if these
facts are wrong and we're going

819
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,960
to get people killed by sending
them to these bases that are

820
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,640
overrun.
If we don't update them with

821
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,000
what we people with what we
have, they'll turn off the

822
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,000
television.
If that doesn't sum up cable

823
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,680
news in modern day, I don't know
what does.

824
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:10,000
To go from that to a start, cut
to like your SWAT teams and army

825
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,320
overrunning a building populated
by people of color and

826
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,800
minorities.
Yeah.

827
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,360
That opening, those opening
sequences are so urgent that

828
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,080
it's so jarring once you get to
the mall, how much it slows

829
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,240
down.
You know, it's interesting

830
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,440
because, you know, I think
you've got a really good point

831
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,840
about them going, the department
store, going up and down floors.

832
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:39,160
I think if they shave, if that
had been shaved down, you know,

833
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,120
it's like, OK, we get the point
just with one movement from up

834
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,920
to down to up or whatever it
was.

835
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,480
I think that's all you need.
I think you have a cleaner film

836
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
and I think you have one that
that you probably like more

837
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,760
because.
Yeah.

838
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,440
And that's maybe all it takes is
that because there are other

839
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,840
sequences, you know, where
they've like what they're

840
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,800
driving the car through the mall
and they're shooting out the

841
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,280
back.
And some of that kind of stuff

842
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:09,320
is a lot of fun getting.
I think there's the the

843
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,600
theatrical has a shorter version
of the trucks being put in place

844
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,480
as well that I think plays
better than the longer version.

845
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Yeah.
So I mean, there's a there's a

846
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,720
best version of this movie, but
it's not any of the individual

847
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,040
cuts, you know, because I
actually watched the the Argento

848
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,240
cut too, and I thought that
there was some really good

849
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,400
things that were chosen in that
version too.

850
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,800
So, you know, it's, but it's
kind of cool to have all these

851
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,640
different versions and you can
kind of construct the one you

852
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,120
like the best, you know?
Yeah, I mean, there's like a two

853
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,440
hour and 40 something close to
three hour version that you can

854
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,480
pretty easily find.
There's the cons cut, which is

855
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,400
nearly 2 1/2 hours.
And then there's the American

856
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,560
and the Argento.
There's just so many versions of

857
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,000
it.
And I think to your point, the

858
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,440
Argento 1 loses a lot of the
humor, yeah, and does become

859
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,080
more of a horror movie where,
you know, I think I was in the

860
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,280
minority of preferring the
Goblin score.

861
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,600
We did our episode.
And I think both you and Nicole

862
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,280
pointed out how perfect that
stock music is given the

863
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,320
setting, which does make a lot
of sense.

864
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,320
Yeah, the goblin score is good
on its own, but I but I do like

865
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,600
the sort of Muzak score for a
mall.

866
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,640
Yeah.
You know, is, is, is really, is

867
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,840
really good.
And yeah, I've seen this one

868
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,480
probably the most of all of
them.

869
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,120
And yeah, I just always have a
good time with it.

870
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,640
And though I got to say what
comes in a number one is, well,

871
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,400
it should be obvious is as I,
you know, that's the one that I

872
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,600
think I, I don't know, it's a
really tough choice for me

873
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,360
between the dawn and night.
Yeah, our number one movie.

874
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,800
If you've kept score at home, it
should be pretty obvious, but

875
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,480
it's a 1968's Night of the
Living Dead, and I think this is

876
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,360
well deserved for a couple
reasons.

877
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,560
Number one, you can point to
this movie in Toby Hooper's

878
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Texas Chainsaw Massacre as the
two movies that really give

879
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,200
birth to horror as a genre as we
still see it in 2025.

880
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,080
And there's a lot of the same
DNAA lot of that.

881
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:38,280
Do it yourself spirit existed in
both Hooper and Romero's films,

882
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,680
although I feel like this was a
much more pleasant movie to make

883
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,960
overall.
Like, Romero famously surrounded

884
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,240
himself with a lot of people
that he was friends with, that

885
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:52,880
he respected, and he worked with
like a troupe of people behind

886
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,760
the scenes repeatedly because he
that's how he enjoyed making

887
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,800
movies.
But it gave birth to the modern

888
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,000
horror movie and it gave birth
to zombie movies as we know them

889
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,600
to the degree that it's still
the blueprint for what we see

890
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,720
today.
And it's so rare that a movie

891
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,560
that's more than 50 years old,
like it's an AARP member at this

892
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,800
point, that it still has that
much influence over the genre.

893
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,800
And besides all that, it's just
a wonderfully made movie.

894
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,280
It's really well acted, like
Dwayne Jones has been, is

895
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,320
perfect.
I think all the characters like

896
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,760
even watching Harry this time
around and feeling like a lot of

897
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,920
sympathy for him as someone who
he is the human villain of the

898
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,800
movie, but he knows it.
I don't think he wants to be

899
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,040
that villain.
He just doesn't know any other

900
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,640
way to be.
He's someone who knows he

901
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,880
doesn't have the juice and This
is why he acts like he does.

902
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,040
I just found it.
I was stunned with how much I

903
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,280
enjoyed this movie.
Repeatedly watching it for this

904
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,640
show and digging more and more
into.

905
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,840
I went out and bought the
Criterion 4K after and I think

906
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,880
it's going to be something
that's in my heavy rotation

907
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,800
going forward.
And I have to say that Criterion

908
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,760
Disc helped this movie a lot,
too, because I, I think so for

909
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,160
so long it was just hard to see.
You just never knew what you

910
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,400
were going to get.
I mean you.

911
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,160
That's a great point.
I owned many copies of Night of

912
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,480
Living Dead over the years, and
sometimes they look like shit,

913
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,080
sometimes they look fine,
sometimes they're grainy,

914
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,840
sometimes they're too dark and
muddy.

915
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,040
Criterion is just like, it's
pristine, it's beautiful.

916
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:41,680
It really gives you a chance to
really see how even though they

917
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,000
didn't really know what they
were doing, how just sharp their

918
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,680
instincts were in making it.
I mean, they're, they're, you

919
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,440
know, they'll even point out,
hey, we cross the axis here or

920
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,600
whatever.
It's like, that's technical

921
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,400
jargon.
Who cares, honestly?

922
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,480
Because honestly, I think maybe
even doing those mistakes is

923
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,480
part of what makes it
unsettling.

924
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,520
It's part of what makes it, you
know, innovative and different

925
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,880
and shocking.
And it's still shocking to me

926
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,040
sometimes.
You know, I watch certain

927
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,640
moments and I'm like, oh God,
that's right.

928
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,240
You know, the, the lady's head
that's ripped apart in the, in

929
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,560
the, and the up upstairs, you
know, and the, the zombie that

930
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,080
eats the centipede off the tree
and the other one that just sort

931
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:34,920
of when they start fighting
into, you know, the cuts of meat

932
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,840
and stuff that are supposed to
be human viscera and stuff.

933
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:44,400
It's just like, my God, it's
really effective still.

934
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,360
And it's still shocking so many
years later.

935
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,920
What's so interesting watching
this and then Dawn of the Dead

936
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,680
back-to-back too, is Romero's
evolution as a commentator on

937
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,760
society.
Because what you see here, like

938
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,720
the mob that kills Ben at the
end of this movie, they're not

939
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,400
buffoons.
They're not the bad guys.

940
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,960
Whereas if they just, they make
a tragic mistake.

941
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,560
And I think that Romero has
said, well, we never meant for

942
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,920
Ben to be an African American
character, but Dwayne Jones

943
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,760
understood what that meant, you
know, coming at the height of

944
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,920
the civil rights movement.
And also like Romero literally

945
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,480
shopping the film as like Martin
Luther King Junior is

946
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,960
assassinated.
Right.

947
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,120
It makes it a more powerful
statement, but Romero's not

948
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,560
being, I think, critical of that
mob, whereas you see Dawn of the

949
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,880
Dead 10 years later, how
critical he is.

950
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,880
Yeah, the possum that's out
there is, you know, they're

951
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,000
having a party, they're they're
tailgating while they're

952
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,200
shooting these people or.
There's also the trust in the

953
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,480
media in this movie, Like you
see how the media is feeding

954
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,000
good information.
They're calm.

955
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,400
They're trying to keep everybody
at ease.

956
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,520
The folks that disagree with one
another disagree with one

957
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,960
another in a polite way.
Like, well, it could be this

958
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,960
meteor which Romero regrets ever
putting in.

959
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,360
Could be the meteor, but we're
not sure.

960
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,760
We got to go.
But they're they're not at one

961
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,560
other's throats or the opening
scene of the next movie are two

962
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,160
talking heads at one another's
throats.

963
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,240
Well, it's interesting because
you know, Night of Living Dead,

964
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:32,240
you have the era of like Walter
Cronkite, you know, where people

965
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,480
and Edward Murrow was before
that, but you know, people that

966
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,240
were trusted by everybody.
I mean, these are like the most

967
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,360
trustworthy people in the
nation.

968
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,400
The most trusted person in the
nation in 1960s was Walter

969
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,480
Cronkite.
It wasn't, you know, any

970
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,120
politician for sure.
Certainly.

971
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Was it Nixon?
No, it was not Nixon or Johnson

972
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,760
or anyone else in that era.
And then, you know, 10 years

973
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,840
later, you're starting to see
your Geraldo's and people like

974
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,560
that coming to the fore.
I mean, it's early for them, but

975
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,680
it's happening and.
I mean, it's when Anchorman is

976
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,640
set and I don't think that's an
accident.

977
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,120
Right, right.
But how much worse it's gotten?

978
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,200
I mean, because it's like
everyone's a Geraldo or a

979
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,200
Donahue now.
I mean, it's not.

980
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,960
Or even, or worse, I mean Jerry
Springer.

981
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,160
We would take a Phil Donahue in
2025.

982
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,680
We would take the steady hand of
a Phil Donahue.

983
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you think about

984
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,640
even even in the 80s, you had
people like, you know, now I

985
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,360
mean, you have, you have like
Anderson Cooper, I suppose you

986
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,200
have a few people like that, but
you don't have, you know, even

987
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,280
like Ted Koppel or right, who's
the Greatest Generation guy.

988
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,160
Peter Jennings.
Yeah.

989
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,920
Peter Jennings.
Peter Jennings and yeah, the

990
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,400
names Tom Brokaw.
Tom Brokaw, That's what I'm

991
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,280
thinking of.
You know, people like that.

992
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,480
Whereas now it's, it's just like
it's entertainment.

993
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,320
It's not news.
And and you see that starting to

994
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,880
happen in Dawn of the Dead.
I think he does a nice job

995
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,400
showing that change occurring,
you know, and the experts they

996
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:17,600
bring on are being shouted down
by the anchors and stuff.

997
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,080
I mean, like, it's like I said,
you know that that crystal ball

998
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,480
is awfully sharp.
Yeah, that's why these movies

999
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,280
honestly benefited.
The first 3 movies benefit from

1000
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,680
having like there's a decade
between exactly and dawn.

1001
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,800
There's seven years between dawn
and day, and then there's a

1002
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,520
decade, 2 decades almost
between.

1003
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,040
There are two decades basically
in between day and land.

1004
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,760
But then you have land diary and
survival, quick succession, and

1005
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,200
you can see where that really
suffers that point, like having

1006
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,320
a decade in between these first
3 in particular, and getting to

1007
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,280
look back and not reacting at
something in the moment, but

1008
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,000
saying where how have we gotten
to this point?

1009
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,080
And being able to kind of pick a
part at that a little bit

1010
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,520
really, really benefited.
And I think that's why these

1011
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,160
first three films in particular
are so fondly remembered.

1012
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,480
Yeah, I think so too.
I think so too.

1013
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:25,000
And man, the amount the I was so
close to putting Night at the

1014
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:32,360
top because this movie as far as
influence, it cannot be beaten.

1015
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,040
It's clearly the most
influential of all of them.

1016
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,120
As much as you know Dawn, I mean
I think is influential in its

1017
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,320
own way too, but Night of the
Living Dead is just like it is,

1018
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,160
genre defining.
Yeah, I've heard other shows,

1019
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,520
shows that I really love and
respect a lot, say that they

1020
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,120
felt like Dawn was the first
true zombie movie.

1021
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,040
But I just, I think that really
does a disservice to Night of

1022
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,280
the Living Dead.
And I think it does a bit of a

1023
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,120
disservice to, you know, movies
that came in the wake of not

1024
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,800
moving dead 'cause I think
they're, especially in, you

1025
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,160
know, the Italian cinema and
stuff was doing some different

1026
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,520
things with zombies and you
know, it, it wasn't like it was

1027
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,680
Dawn of the Dead was the only
one that existed.

1028
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,880
Between night and dawn, you
know.

1029
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,640
I think that's it.
I think we can have that last

1030
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,440
fond look back upon the summer
and put the summer of George

1031
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,120
behind us and let's talk about
what's coming up.

1032
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,000
Like Brian, what is the next
thing we're doing here in the

1033
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,760
Potter and the Pendulum?
Well, we are going to be talk

1034
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,280
taking on a brand new franchise.
Obviously aliens are involved.

1035
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Hunters, yes.
The Predator series is Next up.

1036
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,120
So that's exciting news.
I'm ready to do some high fives

1037
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,640
with giant biceps and all of
that.

1038
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,000
Hey, we ain't got time to bleed.
We ain't got time to bleed, but

1039
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,880
we got time to podcast.
I'm looking forward to this.

1040
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,080
There's a bunch of good films in
the Predator series, and then

1041
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,240
there's some hot nonsense.
And.

1042
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,360
It's a really nice mix.
I think like for a while now

1043
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,760
we've had really ever since like
we finished with The Exorcist,

1044
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:25,200
we've had series that are like
either really, really strong or

1045
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,800
a bunch of hot nonsense.
And this is a nice kind of mix

1046
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,280
of. 2.
And it's not just like it starts

1047
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,600
with its best entry and then go
steadily downhill.

1048
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,640
It's a bit of a roller coaster
with this one.

1049
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,120
We're going to talk about Aiden
Brody, action star.

1050
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,520
Like what the fuck are we doing
here?

1051
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,360
You know, weirdly, I kind of
like that movie.

1052
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,000
I don't hate it, but Aiden Brody
action star is really only

1053
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,800
something you could say in the
late aughts.

1054
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,160
It's really something only the
late aughts could say.

1055
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,880
So that's coming up.
And Brian, what do you have

1056
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,080
coming up and where can our
listeners find you?

1057
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:11,240
Well, you can find me and the
socials at Brian Waves 42, and

1058
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,560
I've had a couple of pieces come
out recently.

1059
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,160
Bloody Disgusting.
One about the Descent, another

1060
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:26,840
one about the Changeling and its
relationship to The Conjuring

1061
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,320
universe, perhaps.
Yeah.

1062
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,760
So I make an argument that it is
a covert conjuring movie.

1063
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,840
And yeah, The Changeling,
though, was a great movie.

1064
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,320
Yeah.
And I also wrote something

1065
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,560
about, you know, leading up to
The Toxic Avenger coming out

1066
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,320
last month about Toxie and the
Universal Monsters.

1067
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,720
So.
Excellent.

1068
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,920
So that was those are all I'm
Glad You're disgusting if you're

1069
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,360
interested in those.
And I'm working on the next

1070
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,120
piece for the Frankenstein
series, as always.

1071
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,160
Looking forward to hearing your
thoughts on Del Toro's

1072
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,560
Frankenstein once it ends.
Yeah, I'm interested to see

1073
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,840
where how it goes.
I'm nervous, I'll admit.

1074
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,280
I but I mean, if anyone, I mean
it's del Toro.

1075
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,920
I mean del Toro and
Frankenstein.

1076
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,440
It seems like just a natural
marriage.

1077
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,760
But then, so did I say.
We'll see.

1078
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,640
But you know, I I've said far
too people think I hate

1079
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,880
Nosferatu.
I really don't.

1080
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,120
Well.
You have a Nosferatu tattoo.

1081
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,000
I do.
Or Nosferatu, don't, I don't

1082
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,680
know, it doesn't quite fit.
Doesn't quite fit, but that's

1083
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,280
OK.
Nopes Foratu.

1084
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,080
I don't know.
If you put Take Out the No in

1085
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,240
front of Nosferatu, you have
what Brian thinks about that

1086
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,280
movie.
All right, listeners, you can

1087
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,240
find me at Mike Snootian on Blue
Sky, Mike Chump Change on

1088
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,360
Letterbox, and you can find the
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1089
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:03,920
We're all 301 back episodes are
up right now where you can kind

1090
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,360
of go through those.
You've got like, geez, it's like

1091
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,120
a month worth of stuff to listen
to if you do that.

1092
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,920
You can follow us on the socials
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1093
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,680
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1094
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,360
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1095
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,520
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1096
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:36,480
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1097
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,200
and the Pendulum.
We have 70 plus hours of content

1098
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,800
that's up there already, bonus
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1099
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,120
anywhere else.
Lots of movies that we normally

1100
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,960
wouldn't cover for the podcast,
one off episodes.

1101
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,160
We're getting into the scary
season.

1102
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,640
I think we'll do a few extra
things for the main feed come

1103
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,720
October.
We'll have a little sit down and

1104
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,040
see what's available, but that's
it.

1105
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,160
We hope you've liked this little
kind of brief episode for us.

1106
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,600
Just ranking these, Brian, and
it's always a pleasure.

1107
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,320
Have a good always, always glad
to be on.

1108
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaking of zombies, good luck
with those kindergarteners this

1109
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,960
week.
Oh my goodness, they smell about

1110
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,200
as good and have the same social
manners as my experience.