PREDATOR: BADLANDS

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Hello everyone and welcome to
the pod and the Pendulum.

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We are the horror movie podcast
that covers all the franchises

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one movie and one episode at a
time.

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And as always, I'm your host,
Mike Snoonian.

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And this week we are wrapping up
another franchise with the

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latest entry in the long running
Predator series with the second

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entry of 2025, Badlands.
As always I'm not sitting alone

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in the Co host chair and there
is no one who I'd rather be

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He is from Bloody Disgusting as
well as Manor, Vallum and many

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upcoming religious theme podcast

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Holy Terrors.
Mr. Brian Kuiper, back in the

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saddle again.
How are we?

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I'm back.
I have done more Predator

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episodes than I ever expected to
do.

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I know.
This.

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Is but hey, it's been fun.
I've I've it's it's nice because

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I'm, you know, I haven't seen
that many of them.

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So this is This has been fun.
I think it's been tough because

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we've been like doing these or
the holiday season like

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Halloween and Thanksgiving and
now Christmas.

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And I know Devon has covered
these movies for Spectre Cinema

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Club, but he doesn't want to
necessarily double dip.

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So it's been a little harder
than I thought to get.

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This is a fun series so but it
looks like in the new year we

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got some stuff lined up.
So for what we have comment,

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which will be great, but I think
because this movie is so new and

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because you and I, we're in a
little bit of a time crunch

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today, listeners like both of us
are like those family

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obligations are kicking in.
So we are going to forego a

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couple of things today, such as
like our initial thought section

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because honestly, this movie is
like not even a month old.

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It's a little it's a little baby
potato.

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So we can kind of roll that
right into the movie discussion.

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I think like you're fresh,
obscene.

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You saw this yesterday.
Right.

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Yeah.
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And Brian, Are you ready to dig

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in?
I'm ready.

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We are coming along right now.
Well, I'm on my second cup of

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coffee right now.
I have had no coffee today.

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I have had no What I've had is
the 3 LB Chihuahua wake me up by

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like jumping all over me and
licking my face and chewing on

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my hands and eating a pair of
socks.

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That is how that's, you know,
like the most caffeinated dog

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who recently discovered she
knows how to open the garbage

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and she will just sit in the
trash and then bark at us when

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we catch her, like we're the
ones doing something wrong.

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Right, right.
Right.

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All right, well, Speaking of
things that aren't garbage,

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we're going to talk about a
movie I think both of us really

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enjoyed.
Yeah, yeah.

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I think initial thought is I
liked it.

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I thought it was a lot of fun.
Looking forward to more of

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these.
Yeah, I think so.

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So based on the streaming
success of Prey, which quickly

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became the most streamed and
watched movie in Hulu's history,

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it was decided another stand
alone story in the Predator

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franchise to be directed by Prey
director Dan Trachtenberg would

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follow.
This time he would be given like

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a larger budget and a theatrical
release as well as a pretty

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heavy marketing push as well.
Like this was considered a big

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deal.
Like Predator is back, baby.

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So in an inner, and I'm going to
put you on the spot a couple

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times here, Brian, because I
have some quotes from Dan

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Trachtenberg highlighted.
So I may have you read those

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off, but in an interview with
Bloody Disgusting conducted by

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friend of the pod Matt Donato,
like we'd call him a friend,

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right?
Yeah, absolutely.

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No, I don't know, Sworn enemy of
the.

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Show sworn enemy of the show.
Oh, OK, Yeah, so.

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Terrific.
They are, they are prey.

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We are predator, right?
Yes.

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No.
Matt's a terrific writer.

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Yeah.
For Bloody Disgusting, IGN and

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you should listen to his podcast
and check out this site.

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He also does with another mat,
Certified Forgotten, which is a

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fantastic film criticism site
highlighting highlighting a lot

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of movies that a lot of folks
haven't even heard of, let alone

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seen.
Anyway, he slips.

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Through the cracks.
Good stuff, yeah.

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He has a great interview with
Dan Trachtenberg from the summer

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of this year where Trachtenberg
discussed his influences for

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Badlands.
And they include like the films

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of Terrence Malick, which I
wrote as Carrots Malik in my

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notes for some reason, Text to
Speech Baby, the westerns of

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Clint Eastwood, as well as a
post apocalyptic, wide open,

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dangerous terrain of Mad Max
movies, especially Beyond

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Thunderdome.
So that's where we're going 4

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here.
And I think that fits.

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I think we said when we did pray
that Malik's Badlands felt like

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a huge influence on like, the
visual palette of that film.

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And yeah, I think a little bit
less here where everything is

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like CGI driven, but you can
tell that like he loves those

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like wide open vistas when he's
shooting.

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Yeah.
And even though it's an alien

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world, there's still, you know,
the background plates are

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somewhere on Earth and that.
Yeah, that's a nice touch.

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It's it feels like a throwback
to great stuff.

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You know that the best of stuff
like Star Wars.

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Yeah, Well, it's recognizable.
I would say.

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It's like, yeah, It's like, you
see that?

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You can see the shades of our
own world in it.

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So yeah.
Exactly.

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So like, this planet is just
made of volcanoes.

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You're like, that's great.
All right.

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So stepping into the Predator
suit this time as a 24 year old

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Australian actor Demetrius
Schuster, Kola Matanji, who was

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a child actor, not a child
actor, who as a child thought he

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was going to become a
professional rugby rugby player

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because his family was filled
with athletes.

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And it wasn't until about middle
school when the performance bug

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caught him.
He started acting in school

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plays, he says.
He had a YouTube channel that

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was shut down due to copyright
infringement, which at 12 years

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old he was like, I didn't know
that was even a thing.

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And he had starred in a number
of Australian television

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projects, including one called
Panthers, which is about a group

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of Australian teens that take
their political cues from the

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American Black Panther movement.
But this is considered like his,

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well, a breakout role for him.
And it's a role that he first

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had to compete in a number of
like, physical challenges with

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other stuntmen and other
performers that were possibly up

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for the role.
Like before anything else,

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because the role is so physical,
Trachtenberg wanted to make sure

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that a, he could actually do the
stunt work inside of the suit,

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but also could move in a way
that he wanted to.

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And Trachtenberg felt like he
really appreciated the way that

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Schuster Kalamatanji moved
around the course.

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And Brian, I will have you read
a Demetrius's quote here in the

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blue if you want to do an
Australian accent.

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I was going to.
I think it'd probably.

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Throw a couple shrimp on the
Barbie.

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Maybe I shouldn't try to offend
any Australian listeners by

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attempting that.
So what he I said was I was

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like, what am I even doing here?
They had stuntmen hanging around

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doing flips and whatnot.
The people that I was

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auditioning with, a few of them
were stunt people.

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And that had been that had been
in the game for a long time.

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It would have been easy to kind
of overthink it.

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But I don't know, I grew up
playing sports and just having

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the mindset you're supposed to
be here, not getting too caught

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up in imposter syndrome, you
know, just give it your best.

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If it doesn't work out, it's not
meant to be.

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But it was really exciting.
I felt like I was in Wipeout.

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That was my son's favorite show
for a long time, by the way.

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So I've seen a lot of Wipeout
over the years.

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I was just missing the big red
balls.

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It was cool, man.
So, yeah, he did pretty well.

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He said, like one of the things
he said in the interview as

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well, this one was on variety.
But one of the things that

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Demetrius said was like, he had
to kind of pace himself.

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He had to say, like, it's not a
race.

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It's like not who's going to get
through the course first?

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It's going to win, but like, who
looks the best?

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So at times, he says he like,
caught himself having to really

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slow down in order to perform it
better rather than just kind of

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rush through it.
Sure, yeah.

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So for the speaking part, he
came back into edition and he

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performed once with written
lines and then another time in a

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made-up alien dialect of his
choosing.

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So he says that he used a
combination of Samoan and tongue

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in gibberish words in order to
come up with the alien phrases

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that he would use during the
second audition.

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And that worked out well.
And he thought thought he would

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be doing this throughout all of
the filming once he got the

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role.
And he was actually surprised,

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like we'll talk a little bit
about who wrote the dialect

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later, but he was surprised when
he got the script.

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And he was like, oh, I have to
say all of these lines which are

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in a made-up language, like
there was an actual language

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that he had to use.
So that kind of took him for

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surprise.
How hard do you think that would

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be because you're a performer?
And this is where I think like

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Steven, where he has a lot of
more acting experience.

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Like, it's one thing to just
have to memorize lines, but to

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memorize lines not just in a
foreign language, but a made-up

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language.
Yeah, of point that's that is

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interesting because, well, I
mean, they're like all kinds of

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stories about like James Duan
and Star Trek, who played

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Scotty.
He invented the first words of

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Klingon and the first words of
Vulcan.

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And so he was actually really
good at that kind of thing where

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he could come up with made-up
languages and actually speak

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them thoroughly.
And he was good at all sorts of

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accents.
If you've ever heard him speak,

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he actually didn't have anything
resembling a Scottish accent at

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all himself, so.
But that's just an.

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Example No.
Yeah, yeah.

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But it's just.
Is it a Chicago accent?

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No, he's, he was, I think he was
Canadian.

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OK.
And so he, he actually, I'm here

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in the Pacific Northwest.
I think he was like in

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Vancouver, Canada.
So I mean, oh, wow, far from

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where I am, but it was just sort
of, I just found that stuff kind

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of interesting.
So.

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But yeah, trying to memorize
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made-up language, man, I, I
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that's tough.
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And it was like, how, how do
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Because what are the rules for
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It's very guttural, I would say,
like it's a very, yeah, it's a

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very guttural language.
Like it's not a.

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Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, if it has, you know,

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something like, you know,
Klingon, which obviously is an

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invented language, has that sort
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partially from German
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like Russian and various things
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up with that kind of stuff, I, I
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either.
It's a skill.

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It is.
It is a skill.

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the the Predator films by and

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large have always been like a
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practical effects like the BET,
the best Predator movies and

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almost every Predator movie.
It's like a stuntman in a suit

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that's giving an actual
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operated either by like
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animatronic that allowed like
the mandibles to come out.

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is going to severely limit the

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amount of like facial expression
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here the Yelcha is the central
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Like it's deck isn't just about
every scene of this movie, with

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only a couple exceptions.
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right?
Yeah, yeah, there's not there's

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not a sense that they actually
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speech.
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beginning of the movie, it
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It's like, wow there.
But of course they would have a

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language.
I mean, these this is a very

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advanced, you know, species of I
mean, it's obviously a warrior

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species, but that's their focus.
But they but like we talked

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about on one of our episodes,
you know, there's got to be

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Yaocha who do all kinds of
different things on this planet.

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Right.
That's what Deck would have been

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like.
Deck would have been like, I

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work as a pharmacist, you know,
that would have been his job.

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much being much more expressive,
what you have here is like a a

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suit that is like based off the
designs of the great, like Stan

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Winston and his special effects
studios.

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But you they also like
Trachtenberg employs Weta

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studios, you know, the folks
behind like the Lord of the Ring

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movies, you know, probably along
with like ILM, like one of the

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premier FX studios.
It's out there right now for

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like digital effects in
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So what you have is like.
Do they do like the face mapping

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thing, like they use for Avatar,
that kind of thing, Yeah.

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That's pretty much what it is
where it's like an open mask

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where you could see his face and
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are then like superimposed later
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Matter of fact, like
Trachtenberg says that unlike

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especially Prey, which for the
most part is practical driven,

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he said that there's like not a
single shot in Badlands.

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It doesn't have at least some
digital enhancement that's made

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to it, which is maybe why like
when you see the budget for

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this, I think prey's was maybe
15,000,000 and this one is a

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hair over 100 million, which,
you know, like Prey.

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It's not a big movie.
Like there's not a ton of sets.

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There's not really like a ton of
performers in it.

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You don't have any.
You have like the fun Waylon

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Utani, what you would call it
Android that's just kind of

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cloned over and over.
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doing dual duty.
And then you have a few

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Predators, but it's not a
massive cast.

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And yet the budget for this one
is like almost 10 times that.

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It's about 8 times that of what
Praise was.

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It was definitely a risk, you
know, to do this, especially

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after, I mean, as successful as
Prey was on streaming, I mean,

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there was no guarantees that
this was going to do well

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theatrically.
And right, boy, did it pay off

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for them.
I mean, yeah, that's getting a

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little ahead of ourselves, but
you.

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Could have run back Prey too and
done that in theaters and and

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we've done it for about the same
amount of money or a little bit

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more and had a moderate success.
This is like not adjusted for

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inflation.
Like it's made more than any

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other predator entry.
So it's hard to call it like a

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not a successful film.
Like it's definitely exceeded

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what they thought it would do.
Yeah.

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So since this was envisioned as
a standalone story, Trachtenberg

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wanted to use it as an
opportunity to explore, for the

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first time, a bit more of the
culture of the Predators.

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It's the first film to have an
extended sequence on the

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Predator home planet, the prime
planet.

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And it's also the first entry to
actually use the phrase yelcha

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in order to name the Predator
species, although that term had

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been around since the early 90s
as part of the Dark Horse comic

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adaptations.
Like this is kind of the first

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film you hear them referring to
themselves as yelcha, as that's

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what the species called.
And Trachtenberg enlisted in

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linguist specialist Britton
Walken, who had led the team

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that developed the Navi language
in Avatar, in order to come up

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with like, the spoken language
for the yelcha.

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So that's where that comes from.
Like her work there.

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And then for the score, he re
enlisted composers Sarah

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Schnachner and Benjamin
Wildfish, who had done the score

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for Prey and Killer of Killers.
And one thing that stood out to

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me, like watching this film is
like, I loved the score of this

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movie.
I really enjoyed it.

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Yeah, that's one of the things
that just stood out right from

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the beginning.
Part of it was the theater I saw

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it in played this movie laugh.
Wow, did it.

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Which which was fine and and you
could just feel the grind of

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that guitar and everything that
was going on.

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It was so the score really stood
out as far and and just the

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sound in general is really
strong.

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But man, I love the score of
this.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I found this really

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enjoyable.
It's something where I'm like,

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if they if they release that on
vinyl, I would be more than

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happy to kind of pick that up at
a reasonable price and add that

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to the collection.
So it was released this November

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7th of this year, and to date
it's been a hit.

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I don't know if it's a success
because of that budget, but it's

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definitely been a hit.
It's close to about 180 million

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worldwide.
Like, it'll probably cross that

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threshold this weekend and it's
been out a month, but you know,

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it's probably going to come in
somewhere between like 190 and

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200 million.
Yeah, and it's it's done.

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You know, I've talked to several
people actually.

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Yeah, we saw Predator who really
enjoyed it.

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And so people I wouldn't expect
to see Predator.

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So I mean, it's not as big as
the Wicked for Good crowd or

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Zootopia crowd, obviously.
But you know, it's an R rated

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space monster movie.
So I mean Zootopia is a Disney

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property, so you could foresee a
world where Zootopia.

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Crossover.
Zootopia 6.

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They're hunting down A and I'm
there for it.

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Well, I there was a Avatar 3
preview right before this and I

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as I was going into this, you
know, I'm thinking I can imagine

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Yaocha on Pandora.
I don't think Cameron would ever

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allow that.
But you could, you could

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picture, you know, alien versus
Predator versus Navi going on,

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you know, they're all under the
same umbrella versus Wookies if

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you want.
My God, you.

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Could you could have Yelcha
versus Xenomorphs versus Wookies

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versus The Avengers at this
point, Right, Yeah.

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I mean, the way things are
going, eventually it's going to

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be all.
Yeah, they probably have.

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The Ewoks beat them all right.
What is?

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Kidding, probably.
I mean, we're recording this a

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few days after it was announced
that Netflix is going to acquire

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Warner Brothers Studios.
And that's going to take a year

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or two to go through.
Like if and when it goes

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through, it's going to take.
It's not going to happen

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overnight.
I feel like at some point, maybe

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in our lifetime, Disney is just
going to own everything.

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Like that'll be the next.
Step.

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Eventually like Disney will buy
Netflix at some point.

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Like as far as I know Netflix
still doesn't make any money.

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No, I, I don't, I don't know how
they throw in all this money

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around because I.
Don't know they.

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Make it.
Yeah, it's really.

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It's investment in venture
capital in stock, but they don't

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make like they have I and.
The thing is they could and I

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that's what drives me nuts is
like do theatrical and physical

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releases.
You will make money at that.

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I can guarantee if they release
some of their tent pole projects

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to a wider theatrical release
they will make money.

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Yeah, I don't get.
And what really worries me is

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that now you're going to get
this world where movies like

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say, I don't know, by the time
it goes through like say The

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Batman 3 or the next PTA move or
the next like Ryan Coogler

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movie.
That rather than get or a Zach

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Kreger film rather than get like
a real push and word of mouth

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and audiences like excited to
see it on the biggest possible

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format and biggest possible
screen with the best formats

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that you're going to get. 2
weeks maybe?

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I know.
In a theater.

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It really and and I find myself
wondering what the hell did

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Warner Brothers do with all
their money that they made off

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of sinners and weapons and
bloodlines and on and on and on

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down that list.
Well, they had been hurting for

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a while.
Like, this was a year that,

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like, turned things around.
But that studio had been

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struggling.
You know, like everybody should

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fail as successfully as David
Zasloff.

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Who?
Oh my gosh.

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Stands to become a billionaire
based off of this sale.

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Off of running this all into the
ground, it was the thing.

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I mean, he, he ran.
I cannot think of a person who

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has made more bad choices for as
a studio head in recent memory.

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I mean, it's just ridiculous.
When it comes to, there was a

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not to go too far off track.
I promise listeners, we'll get

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back to it in a minute here, but
give us our soapbox.

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I I think This is why listeners
come to us to.

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Hear old men yelling clouds.
No, but I mean, we're movie

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nerds.
We're movie nerds and we care

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about we care about movies.
Like that's what we do that

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there is an article on The
Ringer this past week because

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like this like television week
on The Ringer where they're

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talking about like the best
episodes of the century, best

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shows of the century, thus thus
far, you know, stealing our top

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25 of the horror movies.
Like they stole that idea.

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Bill Simmons, like we gotta, you
know, always following what the

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part of the pendulum does.
Absolutely.

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But there was an article how
like YouTube is overtaking like

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traditional television is what
people are watching.

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And to put it in perspective,
like YouTube, like minutes

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watched on YouTube tube versus
Netflix is about like 10 to 12

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times multiplied more overall,
right?

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So that's first.
So what is Netflix at a certain

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point like the it's just not
sustainable.

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Like they've kind of all they
can do is raise prices.

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They can't necessarily add a ton
more subscribers, but they can

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raise prices and I can tell you
they went up to 25 bucks and we

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cancelled it.
I'm like, we don't use it like

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we we watch the Great British
Bake Off Stranger Things isn't

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appealing to us after season 3.
And I'm like, meh, we're good.

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So and I think more and more
people like it hits.

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What's the cut off?
Like 3035?

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At what point are you like,
there's just nothing that I want

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to watch here.
And again, if they opened up and

448
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,920
said, hey, we're going to
release Frankenstein and wake up

449
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760
Dead man.
And you know, I don't know what

450
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,320
else is coming to mind.
Even Train Dreams, you know,

451
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680
it's been sort of a nice little
hit for them.

452
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,360
You know, they release those
theatrically.

453
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:32,760
I bet they would make their they
would make profit on that.

454
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,360
Yeah, yeah, it's a
disappointment.

455
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,520
Well, what wasn't a
disappointment was the opening

456
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,960
weekend of Predator Badlands.
You said it's on close to 100.

457
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,440
It's over 180 million worldwide
as we record this had the

458
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,960
largest opening of the franchise
at 40 million, which was between

459
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,760
like 10 and 15,000,000 more than
they actually projected it to

460
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,960
do.
Like it was came out and people

461
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,520
were thirsty for it.
It got great reviews and Rotten

462
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:05,520
Tomatoes, like 80% of the tomato
mater critics generally dug it

463
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,280
like it looked.
It looked very cool.

464
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,560
And Trachtenberg wants to do
more.

465
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,000
And he knows where the third
one's going.

466
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,640
And in an interview with SFX in
June, he spoke with him and

467
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,360
Brian.
I will have you read his little

468
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,200
quote here as well.
After Pray came out and I

469
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,200
started thinking about sequel
stuff, there were three ideas I

470
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,720
had.
Killers is 1, Badlands is 2, and

471
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,040
the third one is something else.
OK, there we go.

472
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,440
The reason why I felt possessed
to make them and sort of why I

473
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,640
rushed, I did 2 at once because
I I think is what that's I could

474
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,160
multitask with animation.
OK, That was because I was so

475
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,600
eager to get to the third thing.
So that's interesting.

476
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,760
This idea that he wants to just
I'm doing these so that I can

477
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,200
get to this, the real thing.
It's So what it sounds like.

478
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,920
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.

479
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,960
I like that idea.
Killer and killers in Badlands

480
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,920
like don't feel related in any
way.

481
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,480
Like that's what's interesting.
It's not like you need to watch

482
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,080
one because it leads into the
next one in order to get the

483
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,760
full picture.
And the same thing.

484
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,520
The end of killer of killers in
the post credit sequence does

485
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,520
have a direct tie in to pray as
a little bit of a Stinger.

486
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,480
But even there, like you can
watch all of these stand alone

487
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,240
as stand alone films and walk
away completely happy.

488
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,920
So it'll be fascinating to see
what comes along in order to tie

489
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,200
all of the Trachtenberg films
together.

490
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,040
I know that he's an active talks
with Arnold Schwarzenegger, like

491
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,000
who for years is like he's
coming back to Predator.

492
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,760
Just it's never happened either
because he, you know, won the

493
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,920
his gubernatorial campaign and
couldn't act or because the

494
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,760
roles weren't well, that was
written for him, just didn't

495
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,720
feel it felt too slight for him
to return.

496
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,360
So it'll be fascinating to see,
like, what he decides to do if

497
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,480
he's offered like a beefier role
in another Predator film.

498
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,960
Which, you know, I think that
would get people pretty excited,

499
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,760
you know, especially, you know,
because you don't do 180 million

500
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,880
without getting repeat business
from Predator fans.

501
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Yeah.
So I have a feeling that they

502
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,440
would just eat up a return of
Dutch for the series.

503
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Oh yeah, and I think, you know,
if he comes back of Amber mid

504
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Thunder comes back to refer to
do you know re replay her role

505
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,240
as Nauru how bring Danny Glover
back?

506
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,040
I mean, have you watched?
Have you seen Killer of Killers?

507
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,720
I haven't seen killer of.
Killers, it's really good.

508
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Chance.
Yet it's shockingly good.

509
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,920
Yeah, I'm gonna put that one on
high priority to catch up with.

510
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Yeah, do that.
Absolutely.

511
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Do that, I guess.
Do you my I guess we talk about

512
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,560
the film now.
Like, would you consider this a

513
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,240
horror movie in any way?
That's where I yeah, I I

514
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,600
technically ended up putting it
on my horror of 2025 list, but I

515
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,480
consider it a sci-fi action
film.

516
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320
Yeah, it's, I mean, I don't
know.

517
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,360
It's for me, the Predator
franchise as a whole is just

518
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,760
kind of it's, I guess it's
horror.

519
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,520
I I guess I don't really even
most of the series qualify as

520
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
horror personally, but that's
just I mean.

521
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,480
That feels like a slasher movie.
Yeah, the first film is like a

522
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,080
action movie mashed together
with a slasher movie, and that's

523
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,680
the closest that comes to
horror.

524
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,800
And maybe pray, because that one
mirrors the beats of the first

525
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,320
one.
But after that I'm not sure.

526
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's
splitting hairs.

527
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,840
I mean, there's a there's a big
scary, weird looking monster in

528
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,320
it.
I mean, I don't know.

529
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,120
But I guess sometimes the the
two genres really intertwine.

530
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,480
And I mean, I don't think this
intertwines with horror as

531
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440
thoroughly as something like
Alien does, which, you know,

532
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
especially the first one feels
like an old dark house movie

533
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,800
with a modern alien creature in
it.

534
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,960
You know, So I don't know.
But like I said, I I think

535
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,440
there's a lot of splitting hairs
that can happen here.

536
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,240
I probably wouldn't put this on
my 2025 horror list just because

537
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,960
it feels a little bit outside
the genre, but I still I've

538
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,880
greatly enjoyed the movie and
I'm, and I'm so I'm, I'm, I

539
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,800
mean, this is carrying us into
the movie discussion itself,

540
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,680
right?
That's.

541
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,400
Where we are now still.
Yeah, I think what I like about

542
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,720
Trachtenberg's approach is he
really understands what it is

543
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,040
that makes the first one work,
you know, and that, you know,

544
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,240
the characters, you actually
care about people when they die.

545
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,320
And this he's just taking that
caring about the characters

546
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,600
thing and applying it to the
monster that we've always been

547
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,640
opposed to this whole time.
It's like now it's like, no, our

548
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
lead character is the predator
is a yaocha.

549
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,240
So it's really but the he's
given just as much death as any

550
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,680
of the best characters in the
any of the previous movies.

551
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,040
So I think that's that's really
smart and I think it's

552
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,480
entertaining and fun and boy,
what a picture.

553
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,880
What a bit Steven would say.
What a picture.

554
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Yeah, I I really enjoyed this as
well.

555
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,480
And it's funny because I was
very late to seeing this.

556
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,800
I meant to go opening weekend
and just for whatever reason,

557
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,000
like every weekend couldn't
either couldn't make my way to

558
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,560
the theater or something else
took priority.

559
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,440
And I ended up seeing that
instead.

560
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800
And it wasn't until like last
weekend, literally like the last

561
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,320
screening of the weekend at the
Little Theater up the road

562
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,920
where, you know, I, you know,
some of my daughter, like, yeah,

563
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,720
just finish whatever homework
you have.

564
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440
And, you know, I know you said
you're pretty bored today.

565
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Why don't we go see Badlands?
And she had already seen it,

566
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,400
like with a friend, Like she and
a buddy went to the little

567
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,000
Theater up the street from us,
which I find herself going to

568
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,320
more and more since, like, some
new folks bought it.

569
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,560
And they've made it not like,
heads and tails better than it

570
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,840
used to be, but just a little
bit nicer.

571
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
So I'm like, all right, I'm
happy to go support these guys.

572
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,360
Yeah, I wish we had something
like that around here.

573
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,760
I'd tell you I'm on.
We haven't had something like

574
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,920
that around here in decades.
It is nice having a movie

575
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,240
theater a 5 minute drive from
home and it's one that doesn't

576
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,360
do 30 minutes of trailers like
right before the movie.

577
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Like if the movie start time is
6 by 6 O 3 opening credits are

578
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,280
rolling like they do like 1
trailer and that's it.

579
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,639
And that's kind of a very nice
feeling.

580
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,719
Fantastic.
I think mine was supposed to

581
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,040
start at 11 O 5 or something
like that and by.

582
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,239
Noon.
The movie started.

583
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,560
It was at least 11:30.
Yeah.

584
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,280
So and it was, you know, their
commercials 1st and then the

585
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,639
trailers and then.
Yeah, anyway, I should know

586
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:39,360
better by now.
I'm going to see Kill Bill, the

587
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,719
whole bloody affair Monday.
I'm going to do like a.

588
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Tomorrow. 1230 matinee of it on
my day off and I'm worried I'm

589
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,520
not going to get home until like
7:00 at night basically just

590
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,000
because it's there's so much.
Well, the next showing, I was

591
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,320
looking at the times on mine and
then that is set to be 4 hours

592
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680
and 25 minutes long, right, or
something like that, including

593
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,360
an intermission.
And so the, the first, the

594
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,480
showing I'm going to is at noon
and the next showing is at 5.

595
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,720
So I'm thinking, and they may
not be doing a bunch of that

596
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,080
extra stuff unless they're in
different theaters.

597
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,360
But, yeah, so I'm keeping my
I'm.

598
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,080
I'm optimistic that they're not
going to saddle us with, you

599
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,960
know, half hour trailers.
You know, the.

600
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,000
I think if I go the rest of my
life without seeing the trailer

601
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,320
for Emerald Finnell's Wuthering
Heights, I will be happy with my

602
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:33,880
life.
Yeah.

603
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,480
I think I'll see it tomorrow
because I'm taking Claire and I

604
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000
are going to a new British film
that's coming out, which

605
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,440
apparently is a spoof on
Downtown Abbey.

606
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Hall Yeah, yeah.
So she's like, I want to go see

607
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,200
this.
And she so rarely picks the

608
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,960
movie.
I'm like, sure, let's go.

609
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,960
And she picked a couple great
ones, a couple good British

610
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,560
films over the past year that
I'm like, wouldn't have made my

611
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,720
top 10, So sure, but.
Did you the little letters or

612
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,520
whatever?
That yeah, that was like a top

613
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,080
10 for last year for me.
That was so good.

614
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Yeah.
I thought this was a blast.

615
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,960
I think it's in my top three of
the franchise overall.

616
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Like I think it's pray the first
film in this in like some order

617
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080
just cause it's so fun.
And I think Trachtenberg, like

618
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,560
you said, has a real he has a
real handle not only on like the

619
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,600
human characters and making you
feel for them even in the

620
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,080
animated films, like each of the
vignettes, like you really feel

621
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,880
for each of those protagonists,
but also like Deck is a

622
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,800
character, Al Fannings Thesa is
a character.

623
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,360
Like, it makes you care about an
Android in a way that you don't

624
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,040
typically do outside of maybe,
like, Lance Henrickson, really.

625
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,840
Exactly right.
And a lot of that is just it's

626
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,600
Lance Henrickson.
Right.

627
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,760
Well, part of it, that's kind of
what I felt with that is, you

628
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,520
know, and come on, bringing in
Waylon Yutani was nice and it

629
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,240
but it didn't feel to me, it
didn't feel like fan service.

630
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,800
There wasn't a lot of that
feeling in in this at all,

631
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,240
really.
Yeah.

632
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:21,520
And I I like that Elle Fanning
she she nails it on both

633
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,200
versions as Tessa, sort of the
evil version or the, I guess the

634
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,000
the ash of this movie.
And then as as Thea, which would

635
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,160
be more akin to Lance
Henriksen's version of of, you

636
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,840
know, sort of the benevolent
Android of the company.

637
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,800
I yeah, I agree.
And I love that they are kind of

638
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,040
leaning into these two universes
being connected with one another

639
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,720
because they both fall under the
Fox Studios umbrella.

640
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:57,080
And obviously going as far back
as Predator 2 where you have

641
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,800
like Danny Glover seeing the
Xenomorph skull is one of the

642
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,600
trophies.
Like going back as far as like

643
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,520
35 years and having the two film
series connected in these like

644
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,880
small ways all the way through,
like the 2 Alien versus Predator

645
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,520
movies, which are less
successful.

646
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,680
But I'm all for like, Yep, they
live in a shared universe.

647
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,440
It doesn't necessarily mean that
they're going to cross paths

648
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,720
with one another, but you can
have like a butterfly effect

649
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:33,880
where like what happens in what
should be the Alien universe has

650
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,720
a ripple across the Yelcha
universe.

651
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,400
And I think that's a real really
cool thing, and it's something

652
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,320
you kind of wouldn't mind seeing
other franchises do if it's

653
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,960
handled this deftly.
I agree, and I think that the

654
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,520
idea of Waylon Utadi going after
this unkillable creature makes

655
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,120
total sense.
That fits right in with what we

656
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,400
know of the company and just the
exploitative nature of the

657
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,240
company and, you know, bringing
in sort of that technology that

658
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,240
we're familiar with from the
alien world.

659
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,400
For example, when she's putting
herself back together on that

660
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,240
table inside the, you know, sort
of the, the Med, the whatever,

661
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,800
the maintenance truck or
whatever it is, it's a little

662
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,400
bit like in Prometheus when she
gives herself the, you know,

663
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,960
the, you know, like gets the
alien out of herself.

664
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Right.
In that scene.

665
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,760
So I like that it's it's, but
it's the, IT still feels

666
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,760
organically like a Predator
movie for the, you know, for the

667
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,600
focus.
For the sake of setting up like,

668
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,920
an evil corporation, Like if
you're at all familiar with the

669
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Alien series, like as soon as
you say Waylon Utani, that's

670
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,200
already like, as a fan, you
can't.

671
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,680
OK, I know what these guys are
about.

672
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,240
There's going to be nothing
benevolent here.

673
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,720
There's, like, no hidden agenda.
The agenda is.

674
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,440
We're going to run roughshod and
do what we want.

675
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,760
Versus if you have like generic
evil corporation that you just

676
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,680
create for this film, then you
have to connect dots that don't

677
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,600
necessarily need to be
connected.

678
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,040
You have to do extra work and
all you're doing is padding

679
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,360
things out at that point.
I thought this also.

680
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,520
You know, I've watched about
Half a Alien Earth and the way

681
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,400
that like Waylon Utani is
portrayed here, I think it ties

682
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,760
in nicely to like one of the
motivating points of Alien Earth

683
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:43,200
where it's the company of Waylon
basically going out into space

684
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,280
and collecting all these alien
samples, right.

685
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,880
For like product and research
development, which, yeah, yeah,

686
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,840
that's what it.
So without explicitly tying into

687
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,360
that television series, you get
the you get the feel for like,

688
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,480
OK, this is kind of continue to
pace.

689
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Sure.
Yeah, totally agree.

690
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,840
I think it was just a great way
to, you know, shorthand that

691
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,880
aspect really well.
Here's the other thing.

692
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Here's the other franchise this
reminded me of.

693
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,560
This felt like Predator by way
of Star Wars.

694
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Totally.
I was thinking that when they're

695
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,120
having the battles between the
brothers at the beginning,

696
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,000
they're do a few hits with their
laser ish swords and then they

697
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,880
they have some banter back and
forth, you know, and then they

698
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,840
hit do a few more moves.
Yeah, it's just like right out

699
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,800
of prequel trilogy territory
there.

700
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,120
But you know, it was pretty fun.
I think there was, I felt that

701
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,680
especially I think on Youcha
Prime.

702
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,400
So the sort of the mythic
storytelling of the father clan,

703
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,720
you know, sort of thing.
And then having the very end

704
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:04,240
with the spaceship.
It's my mother, you know, that

705
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,320
felt all felt very Star Wars and
in in a way that was.

706
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,680
I don't know.
I will always love Star Wars,

707
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,760
even though the fan base has
made it kind of insufferable.

708
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,800
But I just I can't I don't know
how to quit you.

709
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,840
Yeah, when it comes to. 2027.
I know I saw the news that's

710
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,640
that was that was the good news
of yesterday or.

711
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,560
The day before listeners that
don't know if you go back and

712
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,920
listen to our killer of killer
episodes.

713
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,400
I, I raised the point that I do
believe at some point,

714
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,800
especially with the 50 year
anniversary coming up, Disney

715
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,800
was going to re release the
original Star Wars into theaters

716
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,720
as it was presented in 1977, not
the special edition.

717
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,320
And I was, I was poo pooed.
I'm going to I'm going to say

718
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,400
it.
I was.

719
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,280
The.
Food by the host and Co host

720
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,960
Hope and Steven on that episode
who were like, that'll never

721
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,680
happen.
And I'm like, Disney likes

722
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,840
money.
Disney really likes money and

723
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,800
what do you know, like reading?
I think the same day that

724
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:17,280
Netflix says we're acquiring
Warner Brothers, Disney is like

725
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,160
God damn it.
You know, like we could have

726
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,840
waited.
They announced and it kind of

727
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,560
went under the radar in 2027.
The original Star Wars is being

728
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,240
re released into theaters in its
original cut, not the

729
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,800
specialized edition.
And what I, I would have

730
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,600
probably initially, here's the
only thing that would have made

731
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,080
me think that maybe they were
going to do this is that a

732
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,680
couple months ago at I think the
Academy Museum, they showed that

733
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,640
cut.
In London, correct?

734
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,880
Or yeah, or somewhere.
I can't, I can't remember where

735
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,320
it was, but it was like a big to
do that those elements even

736
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,840
existed.
Exactly.

737
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,600
Because.
George Lucas has told everybody

738
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,920
they don't exist.
He's lied.

739
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Exactly.
Yeah.

740
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,080
So I don't know.
I mean, I'm excited to to see it

741
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,400
in that form again.
And I I know everyone's going to

742
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,360
go, but the the space battle
looks so clunky.

743
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,720
But yeah, at least Han shoots
first, though.

744
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:29,000
I mean, so, I mean, so there's
going to be pluses and minuses.

745
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,080
I think there's a happy medium
between, yeah, the special

746
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,080
edition we have and the original
cut, yeah.

747
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,320
I don't hate the special edition
like I I don't.

748
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,600
Either I'm not I.
Hate people that hate it, of

749
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,240
course, like any, like any film.
Yeah.

750
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,720
Just like there's gonna be
aspects of the original where

751
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,120
like, well, that didn't hold up.
But yeah, I hate that it's the

752
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,800
only way I can see it.
Like I can legally.

753
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,520
See.
Exactly right, Exactly.

754
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,000
And.
You know, that's one of the

755
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,760
things I never understood about
George Lucas was, was doing it

756
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,840
that way where you just
obliterate the possibility of

757
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,720
seeing the original version
where Spielberg, you know, he's

758
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,280
released however many different
versions of close Encounters of

759
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,520
the Third Kind, and you can see
all of them, you know?

760
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,600
I think the thing about George
Lucas is he's really fucking

761
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,520
weird, You know?
I mean, I just don't know

762
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,360
another, And I'm not saying he's
a bad guy.

763
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,040
I'm not like, what a horrible
no.

764
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,840
I just think he's a strange
dude.

765
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,360
I think that's true.
Right.

766
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Yeah, so.
And I think he has, I think he's

767
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,920
like somewhere along the way
became less enamoured of making

768
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,440
films and more enamoured of
like, pushing technology for it.

769
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,600
Right.
It's funny because because in

770
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,640
sort of a, in a Hollywood film
making sense, he began as the

771
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,400
renegade Luke Skywalker, the
rebel, and then he ultimately

772
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,160
became the Emperor.
Yeah.

773
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,960
And it was just, and I think
honestly, him selling to Disney

774
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,040
was probably the best thing he
could have done for.

775
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,040
Him probably, I mean, he was
done with it at that point.

776
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,480
He was just like tired, you
know?

777
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,680
So I want to enjoy.
I don't even think he kept any

778
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,920
of the money.
My understanding is like, he

779
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,720
donated every penny, but it's my
understanding.

780
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,280
I could be wrong, but he's like,
I don't need it.

781
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,840
I just kind of want to be done
with this.

782
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,960
So good for him.
Whatever.

783
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,280
But this reminded me as we get
on these tangents again.

784
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,440
I know I.
Know this reminded me a lot of

785
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,760
Star Wars by way of like Elle
Fanning and Decker.

786
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Their banter back and forth had
a very big Luke, Yoda or C3PO.

787
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Like Fanning was a combination
of like Yoda and C3PO in that

788
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,320
she provided like a lot of Comic
Relief, but not in a way where

789
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,720
I'm like, I don't really like
this.

790
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:55,640
Like, I found it super charming
and I found it absolutely yes.

791
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,880
And I'm like, why can't I get
this in my Star Wars Movies Now?

792
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,040
Like, why can't I have like this
level of whimsy?

793
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,440
I get the word I would use is
like whimsy.

794
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:11,720
No, that's a great word for it.
And I think I, yeah, that was

795
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:16,000
one of the and to to have this.
And she's a voice for the

796
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,320
audience, right?
She she understands Yaucha

797
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,160
culture, but she also
understands Earth culture.

798
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,040
So she can translate for us,
more or less.

799
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,360
And that's a fun aspect to have.
But then also to have sort of

800
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,920
this Tin Man character, you
know, the Android with a heart

801
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,360
of gold is a lot of fun.
And then to have the opposite

802
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,280
version, you know, with Tessa is
just kind of great too.

803
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,880
And for her to really pull off
both characters so well.

804
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,200
I, I just loved that.
And there's just a lot of fun.

805
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,040
And I think, I think she also
nudges the subtext along nicely

806
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,960
that empathy and sensitivity or
strengths, not weaknesses.

807
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,840
And that's, I think, and being
part of a being a clan, part of

808
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,040
a group, part of a community,
rather than having to be the one

809
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,240
that brings home the prize
alone.

810
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,360
That's I mean, that's a good
message for right now.

811
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,200
You know, I think that's not to
get too deep in the political

812
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,240
weeds, but I think that's there
in this movie, yeah.

813
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,200
And that's, you know, what's sad
is like by saying that like

814
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,600
empathy is a strength.
You then have to apologize and

815
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,520
say, I don't want to get
political, but being kind to

816
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,800
other people is a good thing.
The fact that that's become like

817
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,120
a political talking point.
Which is crazy, really.

818
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,080
Terrible at this point because
for me, like this film, it

819
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:53,440
really serves as a tremendous
exploration of like, masculinity

820
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,800
and masculine roles.
Not necessarily toxic

821
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,560
masculinity, but the way that,
like, men in the current climate

822
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,560
and current culture view
themselves.

823
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,680
And you see Deck's whole journey
of being like, well, I'm going

824
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,960
to be when he's told what an
alpha is, like the alpha is the

825
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,440
leader of the pack that when
he's told like here what wolves

826
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,560
are, he's like, well, I will go
to Earth and I will hunt the

827
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,560
wolf that kills the most other
creatures.

828
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,440
And being told was like, well,
that's not what makes a wolf an

829
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,400
alpha.
The alpha for wolves are the

830
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,000
ones that protect everybody the
most.

831
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,640
Like they are serving that role
and him.

832
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,480
And it's not an immediate
transformation, but over the

833
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,760
course of the film going up, I
can serve much better as a

834
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,920
protector of others, of my found
family that it would just by

835
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,240
going out and being a killing
machine, which he still is.

836
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:54,760
I mean, yeah, a lot of those
androids and let's not pull

837
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,880
punches.
He commits patricide at the end

838
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,800
of the time, so.
And he gets his.

839
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,000
He gets his new friend to do it
for him.

840
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,600
Yeah, right.
So it's, it's not like he's like

841
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,840
a kinder, gentler predator,
right.

842
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,640
But it's a different role with a
different purpose.

843
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,840
Exactly.
And, you know, you can really

844
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,400
feel that right from the
beginning when his brother saves

845
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,320
his life at his own expense, I
think that is.

846
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,960
And you'll hear, hear his
brother, who he had, who he just

847
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:32,520
adores, you know, and is sort of
the ultimate version of of what

848
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,920
he feels he should be, who is
demonstrating this sacrifice,

849
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,360
this ability to be a protector
over being a killer.

850
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,000
And I thought that was it's it's
it's pretty well done.

851
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,200
I got to admit I was there was a
part of me that was feeling like

852
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,400
about halfway through the movie
that would the movie have been

853
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,160
better if it was just him crash
landing into the planet without

854
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,880
that opening sequence?
And because we're kind of filled

855
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:08,320
in on the story during his his
sort of quest on on the planet

856
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,280
because he kind of slowly
reveals it to Thea.

857
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,600
But then I don't know if you get
the payoff at the end in the

858
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,640
same way.
I don't know.

859
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:22,480
It's hard to say.
I mean, sometimes it's like I

860
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,040
think about, you know, how would
I?

861
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,800
I don't do this very often, but
sometimes I think about how

862
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,160
would I?
How would this movie play if it

863
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,400
started at a little later point?
At a different point in the

864
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,160
film, you got a little less
preamble.

865
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,520
For me, the preamble works like
it's an extended.

866
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,960
It's like basically an extended
opening credit sequence is what?

867
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,720
It is.
The prologue to things, and

868
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:50,000
you're right in that like that,
that back story is revealed

869
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,720
throughout the film.
For me, it works because you're

870
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,200
meant to see Deck and you're
meant to see the Yelcha in a

871
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,840
different light.
In this film, where Deck is the

872
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,920
protagonist, the Yelcha is the
protagonist in over the course

873
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,200
of eight other movies, by and
large, like the Yelcha have just

874
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,640
been basically hunters and
killers.

875
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,000
Like you're not really seeing
them in any other way.

876
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,320
So to see a little bit of like
family bonding, to see Deck and

877
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,000
his brother bond with one
another, you know, his brother

878
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,720
tells him, like, you fight with
a lot of rage.

879
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,680
I fight like father.
And that is why I win because

880
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,840
I'm more in control.
I'm not letting my emotions get

881
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,840
the best of me like him.
But also saying later on, hey,

882
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,400
that time when you lost like one
of your mandibles, one of your

883
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,760
teeth, like you saved me.
Like you have a purpose, like

884
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,600
you're able to.
And then how they both

885
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,480
demonstrate in front of their
father how they both assume a

886
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,680
more submissive position in the
pecking order to their dad.

887
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,240
Seeing all of those things play
out and seeing the father's like

888
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,720
utter, not just like just
contempt for Deck for seeing him

889
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,280
as weak and saying like you
should kill your brother, like

890
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,400
in front of Deck is really
powerful.

891
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,440
I don't think you get to make
that emotional connection later

892
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,520
on that you really need this
movie to make if it's just deck

893
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,200
hunting on the planet.
And if it was what I thought it

894
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,720
was going to be like, what if it
was almost a silent movie with

895
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,680
little communication?
Then that would be, I don't

896
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,520
think it would work.
I don't think you would get that

897
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,280
kind of like, because I do think
this movie in Trachtenberg, they

898
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,520
make you invest in what's going
on rather than just say, cool

899
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,240
action sequence, bro.
Right.

900
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,880
I, I agree.
And that brings me back to my

901
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,360
very first point, you know, is
that what makes Trachtenberg's

902
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,440
vision of the Predator world
work is that he's very good with

903
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,520
characters and getting the best
to really connect with them no

904
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,600
matter who they are.
Right.

905
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:11,320
And so I agree with you because
I, I, I that was just the

906
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,560
thought that came into my head
part way through the movie.

907
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,600
But then when it got to the end,
it was like, oh, OK, yeah, that

908
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:24,280
that needed to be there at that.
When he's offered a chance to

909
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,240
like, have his cloak and take a
role of prominence in the pride

910
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,000
and the and the in the clan.
When his father reacts with

911
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,520
pride at what Dec has been able
to accomplish instead of

912
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:43,560
Disdain, and Deck is able to say
Nope, like this is no longer

913
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,720
what I want.
Like, I don't need to be part of

914
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,120
your clan.
I've started my own.

915
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,400
Like, that's a pretty powerful
moment for this movie.

916
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,080
I thought that worked really
well.

917
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,080
It's agreed.
And, you know, we talked like,

918
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,880
it's not like this is not like a
Predator light.

919
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,080
You know, we did Alien versus
Predator a few weeks ago.

920
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,840
And like one of my complaints of
that movie is how it was watered

921
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,360
down.
Like a lot of the violence of

922
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,920
that movie that you would expect
was just watered down.

923
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,040
Like things were cut away from
rather than watch them play out.

924
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,160
It felt it was very odd because
both of those series have been

925
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,960
hard Rs throughout the whole
franchise and all of a sudden

926
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,960
you're dialing it back.
This also has APG 13 rating.

927
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,120
Like that's one of the things,
you know, we saw a lot of like,

928
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,840
kids and teens at this movie.
How much, if at all, do you feel

929
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,520
like the rating holds this back?
I don't I didn't even know it

930
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,920
was PG13I.
I mean, I I could care less most

931
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,840
of the time.
And you know, The thing is, it

932
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,800
is it is sci-fi action because
most of the things that are

933
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:56,000
killed in this movie are either
robots or, you know, CGI animals

934
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,200
of some sort.
So I, I get why it's PG13 and I

935
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,320
don't think it really has any
effect on the overall

936
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,480
sensibility of the movie because
I mean, because for example,

937
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:16,680
like the, the, the Oucha bleed
neon green, you know, so it's

938
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,840
just a different kind of.
Yeah.

939
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Thing, you know, But yeah, I
just don't think it comes into

940
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,200
play that much for this movie
for me.

941
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,920
Yeah, I'm of the same boat.
I I definitely feel the same way

942
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,760
in that I don't feel like the
violence is held back in any way

943
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,160
in this movie.
In fact, it's a pretty violent

944
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,360
movie.
Like there's the catfish,

945
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,920
there's a lot of quote UN quote
blood in this movie, which a lot

946
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,720
of times is just like, and what
android's bleeding.

947
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:49,000
And I think that's something
Trachtenberg talked about when

948
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,320
he talked about like this, like
trying to reassure fans, like

949
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,720
don't worry about the rating.
Like the reason where PG13 is

950
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,600
the MPAA said, well, you're not
killing humans, so and you're

951
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,200
not killing like actual animals,
so it's OK.

952
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Like it's that sci-fi kind of
cartoony violence.

953
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,200
You know, I think that he was a
little bit even surprised that

954
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,960
the movie got like the rating
that he did.

955
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,160
Well, it's funny because, you
know, like he literally cuts an

956
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:26,240
entire animal in half at one
point in the in in the movie.

957
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,280
It's pretty good.
That's a pretty good scene.

958
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,000
And the part afterward is what
sticks in my mind is when

959
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,720
they're sitting at the campfire
and she and she says, I loved it

960
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,760
when this happened or whatever.
And he says and asked, what was

961
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,760
your favorite part?
When I pierced his head with my

962
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,720
sword and the blood ran down my
Yeah.

963
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,400
It was funny.
It was funny.

964
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,840
That was hilarious.
Is very funny and I used the

965
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,640
word whimsy earlier and I don't
know if anyone has ever said you

966
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,040
know what the Predator movies
need is a sense of like whimsy

967
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,240
whimsy but it didn't hurt this
movie at.

968
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,320
All it did not I.
Never felt like I was being

969
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,480
pandered to.
No, in a way.

970
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,920
And I know you have characters
like Bud, who's like the CG baby

971
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:18,600
callus, who you know is like if
there's an Ewok in this movie,

972
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,480
it's it's Bud.
But I still like him.

973
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Like it's not like you
definitely get the feeling

974
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,400
they're like let's baby Yoda
this thing up a little bit.

975
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,320
Sure.
But I.

976
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,880
Don't even know why I don't feel
offended.

977
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,680
Well, one of the things they
don't do is they don't overuse

978
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,480
that.
You know, he's he's in for a

979
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,240
little bit and then he's gone
for a long time.

980
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,880
And then, you know, the I didn't
even really think of it until,

981
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,800
Oh, they show the adult one.
And then it's like, oh, wait a

982
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,040
minute.
And and he likes it, like spits,

983
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,920
it smells.
It was like, oh, wait a minute.

984
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,520
So that and it doesn't really
need to spell it out that much.

985
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,440
You know, you kind of get the
sense.

986
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,640
Wait a minute, that it was, you
know, the the baby version of

987
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,560
this and, and so that was.
Action right away you're like.

988
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,600
Yeah, yeah.
And so there was, I mean, they

989
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,200
say it, obviously, but it's not
in a way that felt like

990
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,600
pandering, like you said.
So I didn't, I didn't get that,

991
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,960
that we did this to create a
sellable doll.

992
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,080
The way I feel about Baby Yoda,
because, you know, he's cute,

993
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,320
but he's not like that cute.
He's not like huggable, you

994
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,560
know?
I'd hug bud.

995
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,200
You'd hug Bud, I.
Would hug Bud.

996
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,120
Yeah, but all Bud wanted to do
was kind of help out a bit and

997
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,640
get a little bit of that kind of
meat from the creature, the gut,

998
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,160
you know, cut in half and, you
know, yeah, I, I would hang with

999
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,880
Bud.
I also like, and I will never do

1000
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,800
this because it would RIP my
face off.

1001
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:55,280
I've I would love a pet monkey
that I would dress in a tuxedo

1002
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,160
and roller skates and I would
have a little monkey Butler.

1003
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,320
Like if I could have one wish, I
don't know if that would be my

1004
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,600
number one, but it would be in
the top five.

1005
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,600
Like Mr. Teeny on The Simpsons.
Just have Mr. Teeny.

1006
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:14,160
He's the he's sideshow Mel's
helper on the clown show.

1007
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,360
Or Mojo.
He's, yeah, he's pretty much a

1008
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,440
monkey Butler.
Yeah.

1009
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,400
Pray for Mojo.
One of my top five favorite bits

1010
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,240
on The Simpsons.
Yeah of all time.

1011
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,760
God, that show used to be so
good.

1012
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,840
It was.
It really was.

1013
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,440
Used to be a country that did
things yeah.

1014
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,960
The other question about like
Bud and the Callusk and like

1015
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,640
tying into the Xenomorph a bit,
do like space aliens have this?

1016
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,640
Like just all of them had this
extremely accelerated growth

1017
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,520
cycle because it goes from like
this tiny little fella to this

1018
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,480
ginormous creature in the span
of 1 scene.

1019
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,240
Yeah, but we don't know how long
the trip was from the planet

1020
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,480
back to Yaocha Prime either,
right?

1021
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,680
You thinking it was years?
I don't know about years, you

1022
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,320
know, weeks I can imagine.
That's still a lot of growth.

1023
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,480
That's still quick, you know, I
mean, but hey, as someone who

1024
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:15,440
has.
The youngest?

1025
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,080
How old's your youngest son?
My my youngest son is 15.

1026
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:25,240
If he woke up to like 2 week on
January 1st, he woke up and he

1027
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,720
was like 6-6, you'd be a little
surprised now.

1028
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,520
Oh, what is?
He oh, but he's, he's like 6/2.

1029
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,360
How tall are you?
I'm 6/1.

1030
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,040
You.
Oh my goodness.

1031
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:42,960
So aside from me, this is of and
Nicole, this is a very tall

1032
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,960
podcast.
I see.

1033
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,480
I feel like Devon is like 6 two,
I think and much like but I'm a

1034
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,240
little and like deck in this.
I am a short king.

1035
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,560
OK, Yeah.
Yeah, well, that's cool.

1036
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,120
That's cool.
But I will say, OK, I'm going to

1037
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,440
think of it this way because my
dog, we got a poodle.

1038
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,800
Yeah.
And how much he grew week to

1039
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,880
week when he was little.
You know, I, I don't know, I can

1040
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,680
believe it.
I can believe that you go from

1041
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,160
from, you know, little bud to
big bud, you know, in, in a in a

1042
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:25,120
few weeks.
OK, if we took our so let's say

1043
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:31,760
you Devon, Jess is pretty tall
or not saying she's a giant

1044
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,960
folks, but she's like tall.
Yeah.

1045
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,200
How do you think we would fare 5
on five?

1046
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:44,120
Like what podcast could we take
to task in A5 on five full court

1047
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,960
game?
You wouldn't do this.

1048
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,320
You know you want to go up
against Halloweenies, don't you?

1049
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,360
Well, Gerber's I think, like
they're pretty tall.

1050
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,280
OK.
And I'm guessing Rachel, like

1051
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,960
obviously she's team
Halloweenies at this point.

1052
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,280
Sure.
So I don't know.

1053
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,240
And they're I'm pretty good at
basketball.

1054
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,640
Like I'm actually surprisingly
not too bad.

1055
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,800
Yeah, I wouldn't mind.
Like who else could we go up

1056
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,560
against five on five?
And I don't know.

1057
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,520
Listeners, let us know in the.
Comments let us I I yeah, I

1058
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,840
don't know.
It's like what other shows have,

1059
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,600
have a have a cast of five or
more, you know, I mean.

1060
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,000
Losers Club.
Sure, yeah.

1061
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,000
Yeah, not a lot of us have like,
we hate movies and I think we

1062
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,520
could take them even if we went
down to three on three.

1063
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,640
I don't know, They seem like a
bunch of schlubs anyway.

1064
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,560
Moving.
I don't right on.

1065
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,520
It's like I this OK, I I dropped
this disclaimer, you know,

1066
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,520
opinions on the show or solely
those of the host and not of of

1067
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,240
the rest of the.
Podcast as a host, like yeah, I

1068
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,240
know I am.
I am writing some checks right

1069
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,880
now that I am not sure the show
can bounce, but like look at

1070
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,120
like the last podcast on the
left.

1071
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,480
Sure.
Like look at those guys on our

1072
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,520
worst day, we should be able to
take those guys to school.

1073
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,920
On our worst day, we should be
able to crush them.

1074
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,360
So anyway, moving on, moving on.
And we're kind of like rapping.

1075
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,160
We're kind of coming close to
the end here.

1076
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,800
I I like this exploration of
like dual of of sorry, Elle

1077
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,560
Fanning in a dual role is like
Thea and Tessa as like this

1078
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,600
exploration of like the evils of
late stage capitalism in that

1079
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,080
Thea sees her relationship.
And I think both like Thea and

1080
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Tessa view themselves as
sisters.

1081
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,400
They see themselves as close to
one another.

1082
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,320
But that doesn't mean anything
ultimately to Tessa that she

1083
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,400
says like, yeah, what caused me
to get injured when we first

1084
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,040
went up against the Callusk is I
cared about you.

1085
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,360
I looked out for you.
You have fulfilled your purpose.

1086
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,520
And now we're just going to cast
you, decide we're going to

1087
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,800
decommission you.
We don't need you any longer.

1088
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:08,160
And if there's not, like a
better analogy for capitalism in

1089
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,040
2025, this idea that, you know,
like, and I have this

1090
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,040
conversation a lot with persons,
I'm like, your company won't do

1091
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,120
anything for you.
Your company will like cast you

1092
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,280
aside, fire you, let you go and
not think twice about it.

1093
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,040
Like you don't owe them
anything.

1094
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,560
I felt like that would say
pretty good example of it here

1095
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,520
and how Waylon Utani would so
quickly and the fact that

1096
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,680
they're just sending these
androids, which do seem sentient

1097
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,720
and do seem capable of personal
and individual thought, but yet

1098
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,120
they're being cast aside.
Yeah, I got a lot of tech bro AI

1099
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,200
vibes from from all of that,
especially on the tester side of

1100
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,440
things.
And then, you know, the idea of

1101
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,360
Thea sort of overcoming that was
was interesting.

1102
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,640
I mean, the the it's interesting
that they call Thea a tool, you

1103
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,080
know, for a lot of this.
I mean, and, and, and she's used

1104
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:10,760
in, in that sense, but like not
in it because, OK, when it comes

1105
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,880
to AI, I'm sort of, that's a
hairy subject, but I'm, I'm not

1106
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:20,360
like totally like this is awful
and can never be used for

1107
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,880
anything good.
I think that there are good

1108
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,320
things that AI can be used for
as a tool, but then there are

1109
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:33,080
the things that where it takes
away from humanity that I am

1110
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:37,400
staunchly opposed to.
And I felt like there was a

1111
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:45,240
sense of Thea representing one
way and Tessa the other in that

1112
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,000
sort of debate.
I, I, I, I, I.

1113
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,960
It's hard for me to articulate
it all because I haven't, I've

1114
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,360
only seen the movie once.
I haven't really processed all

1115
01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:01,480
of that aspect thoroughly, but I
really kind of got a a sense of

1116
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,280
that kind of theme happening
with those characters in

1117
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,720
particular.
I feel like as the film goes on,

1118
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:14,160
you're meant to see the less and
less like a sentiment robot and

1119
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,240
more like a living, breathing
character and that is in your

1120
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:24,040
own Tesla is this embodiment of
AI is just how AI is being used

1121
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:29,920
in like negative connotations is
that you're seeing healthcare

1122
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,800
providers or healthcare insurers
look at the run the numbers

1123
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,000
through AI and like who and what
should be covered based on some

1124
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,360
sort of risk analysis versus the
fact that like I'm a human

1125
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,040
being.
If I don't get this coverage,

1126
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,200
like I will cease to become a
human being.

1127
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,640
I will be dead.
And it being like coldly

1128
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:56,640
projected to the numbers or
where I feel AI is at its most

1129
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,800
insidious in the arts is that,
like, art is hard.

1130
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,280
Like, not everybody is creative.
Not everybody is talented.

1131
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,400
Not everybody is meant to
create.

1132
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,760
Like not everybody can be Martin
Scorsese, Not everybody can be

1133
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,760
Dan Trachtenberg.
Not everybody can.

1134
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,360
Writing is hard.
I don't write nearly as much as

1135
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,240
I used to.
I don't have the time.

1136
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,000
And it's a hard skill that you
have to practice and you have to

1137
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,479
hone.
And what you use were tech Bros.

1138
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,520
And I think that's exactly right
in that you have these like

1139
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,920
persons that feel entitled.
I should be able to create just

1140
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:40,000
as well as the most preeminent
top of their field, creator,

1141
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,560
artist, musician.
And all I have to do that is

1142
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,359
plug a bunch of information into
a machine, tell it what I want,

1143
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,680
and have it spit it out for me.
And that's not creativity at

1144
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,680
that point.
Like there's nothing creative

1145
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,680
about that.
It's, I think it was, I really

1146
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,960
liked Vince Gilligan's quote.
It's like the world's least

1147
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,880
efficient plagiarism machine.
And I've it's sort of latched on

1148
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,760
to that and you know, I have, I
see people using it all over the

1149
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,680
place and it just grinds my
gears and passing it off as art

1150
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:21,979
and and saying that people who
people who oppose AI quote UN

1151
01:09:21,979 --> 01:09:27,520
quote art are elitist is I, I
don't know, I just find that

1152
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,000
very ironic.
And it's like, are we really

1153
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,200
here?
I can't believe that we are

1154
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:37,120
willingly turning ourselves over
to the pod people is just insane

1155
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,479
to me.
And what's scary is like it

1156
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,200
doesn't feel like people want
it.

1157
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,920
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I don't, no.

1158
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,439
I think it's crept into our
lives in a lot of ways that

1159
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,760
maybe we're not even aware of at
times.

1160
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:55,440
Yep.
I again, we're going.

1161
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,000
I think this does tie into the
themes of the movie.

1162
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,760
I think it does too.
But this idea that we're always

1163
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,160
being watched, and 30 years ago,
that was a scary sentiment.

1164
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,080
This idea that like all of our
information, we used to talk

1165
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,200
like you would find guys on
street corners holding up the

1166
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,000
end is nigh and the government
is watching us signs.

1167
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,280
And that was a really scary
thought, this conspiracy that

1168
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,000
like everything we do and say is
being recorded by some secret

1169
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,960
government, government cabal.
And instead of that being scary,

1170
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,880
I mean, I have an iPhone, I have
a smartphone, I have a smart

1171
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,320
television.
I have a couple Alexa devices.

1172
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,600
Like I have willingly signed up
for to the idea that like

1173
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,520
someone is tracking my movement,
someone is tracking what I'm

1174
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,760
saying, someone is tracking my
buying purchases and I am

1175
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,520
willingly giving that to someone
for a bit more convenience.

1176
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,680
And that's a, you know, I am
guilty of that and it's

1177
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,760
something that I hate.
But I don't see a way around it

1178
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,840
at this point that like things
are moving towards this

1179
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,680
inevitability and inevitability
in a way that no one seems to

1180
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:10,520
really want, but we don't know
how to defend ourselves against

1181
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,600
it.
Yeah, we don't know how to stop

1182
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,880
it or even close to reverse it,
because reversing it would be

1183
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,480
highly inconvenient, you know?
Here is like this.

1184
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,120
This AI bubble is propped up by
a few venture capitalist

1185
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,080
billionaire like tech bro
billionaires that are totally

1186
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,720
against any sort of social
safety net but at the same time

1187
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:39,320
are like if you don't pump more
money into this the bubble will

1188
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,120
collapse and this will go away.
Well, I say, let it burn.

1189
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,360
The problem with that though is
so much is tied into that.

1190
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,200
Financial now if.
You look at like.

1191
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:50,520
Yeah, you're right, You're
right.

1192
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,640
And I know not if you have like
a 1K or some sort of pension

1193
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,880
that's tied into the stock
market.

1194
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:02,080
If all of a sudden like that
burst tomorrow, how many persons

1195
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,120
retirements would get blown up
at that?

1196
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,800
Point sure, sure, but then
again, you know, we had we've

1197
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,080
had Internet bubbles and housing
bubbles and all those things

1198
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,960
that have burst in the past and
you have this period of where it

1199
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,240
just as it it crashes, you know,
but it builds back up usually

1200
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:25,000
stronger than it was before.
So like my mom is really, she's

1201
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,080
she's a financial planner and
she's like, because she, she

1202
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:34,920
went through the, her four O 1K,
you know, during the tech boom,

1203
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,280
you know, and the burst and the
housing crisis in 2008, all of

1204
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,760
that.
And she knows like just stay the

1205
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,280
course on this and, and they're
fine.

1206
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,280
You know, I mean, I know that's
not the case for everybody, but

1207
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,440
I mean that these things do tend
to correct.

1208
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:55,960
So we'll we'll see what happens,
but I have a feeling AI is

1209
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,840
probably going to burst at some
point.

1210
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,800
I hope.
Crypto is probably going to

1211
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,960
burst and I think both of those
things, I think we're better off

1212
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,800
without both of them, to be
honest.

1213
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,720
That feels inevitable and it
feels like we don't really need

1214
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,480
these things.
Yeah, I agree.

1215
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,480
I think this I foresee a future
where we're moving towards like

1216
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,600
a Wayland Utani type corporation
having its.

1217
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,240
Fingers super corporation over
everything yeah everything is

1218
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,040
owned by Disney and I mean it's
like it's you know watch

1219
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:36,560
idiocracy everything's owned by
subway, right yeah.

1220
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,480
So there's I, I think we're, it
feels like we're closer to that

1221
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,800
sort of large super corporation,
you know, where you think

1222
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:52,360
Amazon, Disney and Netflix and
Walmart own the world it feels.

1223
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,360
Like it's become like a Voltron
esque super corporation.

1224
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,800
That.
It's, and I think this does a

1225
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,600
good job of, you know, to get
that message out there, to get

1226
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,560
that portrayal out there of like
this is not a good thing that

1227
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:11,120
this company is like like, oh,
like this thing is unkillable to

1228
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,200
a large degree.
We can use this for humanity.

1229
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:18,440
Like the how they go about doing
that and the actual cost of

1230
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:22,280
doing that, like what you have
to sacrifice both in terms of

1231
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,400
actual physical items, but also
the piece of your soul that you

1232
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,280
have to sacrifice.
And I think that is part of the

1233
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,240
why it's it's a bit telling that
you're sending just these like

1234
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,040
androids out there, these like
soulless man built creatures.

1235
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,680
Like what you actually have to
give up in order to create

1236
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,200
something that doesn't
necessarily have a discernible

1237
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,520
value that makes things better,
but just makes a company more

1238
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:52,000
profit to do that in a Disney
movie, like to sneak that

1239
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,840
message in in a Disney movie.
That's why when people, you

1240
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,320
know, I really enjoyed the new
Running Man movie.

1241
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,920
And that movie is one that you
could say it's like my daughter

1242
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,760
was like, I didn't know this
movie would be so based.

1243
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,880
I didn't know it would be so
woke.

1244
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,080
And when others are like, well,
but it's Paramount, which is a

1245
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,520
pretty shitty company right now.
It's like that's not Edgar

1246
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,160
Wright's fault, you know, that's
not his.

1247
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,440
That's not his problem.
And I think like to get that out

1248
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:26,800
under that umbrella is sometimes
the more kind of like insidious

1249
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,160
and kind of good thing you can
do to use that to kind of get

1250
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,640
that message out.
And I got to give a lot of

1251
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,960
credit to like, Stone and Trey
Parker for just with South Park

1252
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,160
this year, using that massive
deal they got from, again,

1253
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:50,400
Paramount, just to just to take
every advantage they can to just

1254
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,760
scorch the earth.
It's been has been kind of

1255
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:55,560
inspiring.
Yeah.

1256
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,960
You know, Yeah.
Well, I guess in closing, where

1257
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,520
do you want to see this go?
Like film ends, like they're

1258
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,640
about to take off, like mother
has shown up to kind of lay the

1259
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,320
smack down.
Where do you want to see

1260
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,760
Predator head necks as to this
point, all nine movies, Like you

1261
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,520
can watch any of them in any
order and pretty much be OK.

1262
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,680
Where do you want to see it go
now?

1263
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,400
I think it would be interesting
if Trachtenberg took all these

1264
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,800
sort of loose ends from like
we've mentioned Dutch, we've

1265
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,680
mentioned Amber Mid Thunder's
character, we've mentioned all

1266
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:40,360
of these things that are out
there, you know, Danny Glover,

1267
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,440
etcetera.
And then you have this little

1268
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:48,320
cliffhanger on this one.
Is there a way to bring it all

1269
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,440
together?
You know, to almost, I mean, I,

1270
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,680
I guess to Mike Flanagan, this
thing, so to speak, you know,

1271
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,680
like with taking the Shining
book, the Shining movie and

1272
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,960
somehow making them work in the
same universe.

1273
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,760
I don't know.
I don't know if that's

1274
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,080
interesting or not, to be honest
with you.

1275
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,880
That might be too much of a cop
out.

1276
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,760
But if it's.
But if he does it as smartly as

1277
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,200
he's done the other 3 movies
he's done, I could see that

1278
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,200
really.
Working.

1279
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,800
It doesn't feel like a Marvel
thing where everything was

1280
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,400
building towards all right.
The Avengers are the end of this

1281
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,640
phase.
Infinity War is the end of this

1282
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,560
phase.
It doesn't feel like it's

1283
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,400
building to that.
If it is like it'd be

1284
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,840
interesting to see how he pulls
it off.

1285
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,280
Like I know I want to see more.
I want to see a resolution to

1286
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,680
like Naru, Amber Mid Thunder's
character from Prey.

1287
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,200
I want especially when you see
the end of Killer of Killers,

1288
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,760
you're like, OK, now you have to
do something with that.

1289
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,360
I'm intrigued.
I need to watch that.

1290
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,120
Yeah, it's, it's solid.
It's again, like it's might even

1291
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,720
be the best Predator movie of
the year, although I'm giving

1292
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:03,240
this one just a slight nod over.
I really like the character of

1293
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,680
Deck, but I think the franchise
is in good hands.

1294
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,360
I know he said he wants to do
one more and even if he doesn't

1295
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,600
direct anymore, I wouldn't mind
him having the kind of role that

1296
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,040
you're seeing like I think Fede
Alvarez or Ridley Scott are

1297
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,200
having with Alien.
Like we're going to oversee

1298
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,120
things, but let others kind of
play in the sandbox a little

1299
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,680
bit, so.
Yeah.

1300
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,480
Should be interesting all right.
It should be.

1301
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,360
I mean, this was, this was so
much more fun than I maybe even

1302
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,920
expected.
I think there was a lot of

1303
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,040
criticism before the movie came
out that the Predator looks

1304
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,440
wimpy.
It's like, well, that's actually

1305
01:18:42,440 --> 01:18:44,200
the point of the movie.
That is the point, yeah.

1306
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,560
So it's like, let's maybe not
criticize movies before we know

1307
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,600
anything about them.
People have an odd definition of

1308
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,120
wimpy.
Yeah, no.

1309
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,400
Smaller, but it will still mess
you up.

1310
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,360
Yeah, it's like, you know, I'm,
I'm not going to Yeah, I'm yeah,

1311
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,240
exactly.
Not going to mess with with deck

1312
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,520
any day.
So yeah, it's I can't think of

1313
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:15,640
another franchise that has
rebounded from like the depth

1314
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,880
because Predator series, like it
just seemed like it was left for

1315
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,160
dead.
Like after the 2 Alien versus

1316
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,840
Predator movies and then
Predators and then the Predator,

1317
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:32,360
it felt like, OK, there's really
nowhere to go with this.

1318
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:38,400
And to have something not only
commercially but like critically

1319
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,880
and amongst the fans rebound so
much where this is probably at a

1320
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,960
higher peak now that it was even
after the first fail.

1321
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,040
In terms of.
Interest of the in the series as

1322
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,520
a whole, that's kind of a
fascinating thing, so should be

1323
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,920
interesting to see like where
this goes.

1324
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,760
Well, I think having a unifying
vision is really helpful too

1325
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,080
because you know, between 1:00
and 2:00, you know, you just

1326
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,320
have a completely different
team, a completely different

1327
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,680
scenario, all of that going into
that second movie.

1328
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,240
And so that and then each one
was just kind of a reset, you

1329
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,320
know, and so to have.
Trachtenberg come in and say,

1330
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,520
well, praise good.
Let's make stuff that actually

1331
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,200
maybe builds to something.
Yeah, I think that helps a lot.

1332
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,560
I mean, that's why that's why
Child's Play and Chucky has been

1333
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,640
going on for, you know, 40 years
now is because you've got a

1334
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,160
singular vision.
You've got Don Mancini behind

1335
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,600
that whole thing, you know, and
I think that helps.

1336
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,880
Yeah, I agree.
Well, Brian, what do you have

1337
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,040
coming up?
It's kind of coming towards the

1338
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,000
end of the year here.
Do you have any like year end

1339
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,920
wrap UPS with like Bloody
Disgusting or elsewhere going

1340
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,920
on?
I do, in fact, that this is

1341
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,960
coming out what Monday?
My piece I was told that my

1342
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:02,320
piece about my inexplicable love
for Silent Night, Deadly Night

1343
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,760
Part 2 will be dropping on
Bloody Disgusting.

1344
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,360
Oh, boy.
On Monday.

1345
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,640
Yes.
I unapologetically love that

1346
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,920
mess of a movie.
I I cannot, I do my best to

1347
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,840
explain why.
So it's a it's a love letter, if

1348
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,120
you will, to Silent Night Deadly
Night Part 2.

1349
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:28,040
I'm bloody disgusting.
Yeah, so there's that.

1350
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,080
And then coming from Manor
Vellum, I have a piece that I'm

1351
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,720
actually really proud of too.
Both of these are kind of tongue

1352
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,000
in cheek.
I think that's it's fun to write

1353
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:42,120
in that style sometimes.
And so it's basically about why

1354
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,600
I hate Christmas.
It's coming out from Matter

1355
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,760
Vellum.
So that one's going to be called

1356
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,680
Christmas is Horror traditions
of an incurable Grinch.

1357
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:58,320
So that's what I've got coming
out over the next couple weeks

1358
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,080
here and I'm very excited about
that.

1359
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,320
It's funny, I gotta tell you,
like in the line of work I'm in,

1360
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,720
like a lot of people like
probably would agree, you know,

1361
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,160
like the holidays are tough
sometimes.

1362
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,480
So, and I think it's.
I'll admit, you know, a lot of

1363
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,160
this is pretty tongue in cheek.
For me.

1364
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,080
It's, it's, I'm, I am.
I get a little bit grumpy, but I

1365
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,160
kind of play the character a
little bit too.

1366
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,760
Excellent.
Yeah, also news on the Holy

1367
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:31,120
terrors front, we are launching
on the beginning of the year

1368
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,240
come hell or high water.
So we're just going to, I, I

1369
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,280
don't think it'll be on a
network, probably just going to

1370
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,480
launch independently and, and we
just decided, hell, we're just

1371
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:43,240
going to pull it and do it at
the in January, so right at the

1372
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,600
beginning of the year.
Episode What's the first film

1373
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,760
you're tackling?
So we have a little.

1374
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,240
I think it's Little Nicky.
This Little Nicky actually we're

1375
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,960
covering from 2024 heretic.
Excellent.

1376
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,960
So, and we brought on our so
it's Pat and I Pat, Patrick

1377
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,520
Brennan and I are hosting the
show.

1378
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:06,360
And for that episode we brought
on a guest who comes from a

1379
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,160
Latter Day Saints background, TJ
Tranchell.

1380
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,320
He's an author friend of ours
from Manor Vellum.

1381
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,640
It's a terrific conversation.
We do have a little bit of a

1382
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,960
prelude episode.
We'll probably release those

1383
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,080
pretty close together though, so
that so that we can just get

1384
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,680
right into the meat of the show.
Very cool.

1385
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,040
All right.
We'll, we will definitely help

1386
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:31,040
promote that as the time comes.
And here is what's coming up for

1387
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,200
us, folks.
OK, so we've covered all the

1388
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,440
Predator movies and because
there's nine of them next week

1389
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:40,720
we should be doing a Predator
ranking series that takes us

1390
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,640
into mid-december, like right up
to Christmas week.

1391
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,440
We'll be dropping an episode
Christmas Day and then after

1392
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:55,280
that will be our top 10 horror
movies of 2025 for each give our

1393
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,760
individual rankings.
That'll probably be the last

1394
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:04,160
episode of the year, and that is
typically like one of our most

1395
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,120
popular episodes.
I think our, I think our 300th

1396
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,680
episode was the most popular one
this year, followed not too far

1397
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,800
behind by the top ten of the
year.

1398
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,080
It's kind of a bummer because
the 300th episode I had some

1399
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,520
technical difficulties on my
end, which was a bit

1400
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,360
disappointing, but listeners
seem to really like that one.

1401
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,080
And then we launched into Psycho
and we could start it sooner.

1402
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:35,920
But I think I want to just do it
clean rather than like start

1403
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,520
with one and then do these like
year end things, right?

1404
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,640
Which is just can make things.
We've done that before and I

1405
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,600
just think it gets convoluted.
Brian and I have talked like

1406
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,280
Brian is going to take over
hosting, I believe for the

1407
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,520
Psycho series or the bulk of it.
So our roles will reverse a

1408
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,600
little bit.
I think we've talked about that.

1409
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,480
Or maybe I'll just read that.
Maybe you dreamed that.

1410
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,400
That's OK.
No, that's good.

1411
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,400
That's good.
I could do that.

1412
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,720
I'm OK to post as well or we
trade off, but I think one thing

1413
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,800
we're going to do is before we
do Psycho, we're going to do

1414
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,520
like a Hitchcock in the East
primer.

1415
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,400
We're going to talk about the
commercial and critical

1416
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:21,960
successes that he had throughout
that decade, which kind of gave

1417
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:27,000
him the power to do whatever he
wanted, but also what made

1418
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,520
Psycho like such a risk.
And that will, because I think

1419
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,160
that in and of itself is worth
an episode.

1420
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,640
And if we rolled that into just
Psycho, the episode would be

1421
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,360
like 6 hours long.
And nobody wants that, including

1422
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,320
me.
So the research has begun.

1423
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,520
I've already started to watch a
few docs and, you know, jotted

1424
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,160
down a few notes.
I started reading probably the

1425
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,240
book that I've read most about
the making of a single movie The

1426
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:58,120
most is Stephen Rebello's book
about Hitchcock and the making

1427
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,600
of Psycho.
I've read it probably 3 or 4

1428
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,800
times already and I'm reading it
again.

1429
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,480
So good.
I mean I.

1430
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,480
You'll be pulling that from the
shelf like reaching over and

1431
01:26:07,480 --> 01:26:10,960
like.
I don't actually own it on a

1432
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,120
hard copy.
I only have it on my Kindle, so

1433
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:19,240
I can't do that.
I can pull my Janet Lee book on

1434
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,920
the Making of Psycho down from
my shelf.

1435
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,600
However, it's a little high up
there.

1436
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,160
I can't reach it.
That's OK.

1437
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,480
So that will be fun.
So we have the next three

1438
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:33,120
franchises we have like these
are the ones that we put on the

1439
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:37,840
wheel for 2025 and then we
haven't missed any weeks.

1440
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,680
It's not like we've missed
anything, but we just had like a

1441
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,440
a lot of series with a lot of
entries this year.

1442
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:49,160
Sure, but Psycho, The Omen and I
believe Stevens gonna like sit

1443
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:54,440
in the hosting chair for that.
And then Creep and we'll do the

1444
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:57,720
two Creep films and I think
we're going to do like Creep

1445
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,880
season 1 and 2 because they're
about movie length.

1446
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,880
Like when they watch them,
they're movie length.

1447
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,080
So we can just cover be a little
different format.

1448
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:07,760
But yeah, that's what's coming
up.

1449
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,080
That is what we have and that
for like really that'll get us

1450
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:15,240
through spring and we'll start
looking at like what other

1451
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:18,600
franchises we want to cover next
year.

1452
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,720
Brian, you look like you have.
You've got ideas.

1453
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,960
I've got an idea.
OK, we'll talk off air very

1454
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,080
briefly and that's it.
Listeners, we hope you enjoyed

1455
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,160
this.
Like I've kind of enjoyed these

1456
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,800
past few weeks being a little
bit looser and kind of just like

1457
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,520
talking about whatever takes our
fancy.

1458
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,920
The episode Killer of Killers
Like is definitely a lot of like

1459
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,200
wherever our brains went that
minute.

1460
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,600
But as was today.
Yeah, but I think once we get

1461
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,920
into the first few Psycho
movies, those first two, and I

1462
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,200
honestly think the remake as
well, that kind of like laser

1463
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,600
sharp focus will come back.
All right, that's it.

1464
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,480
Take care everybody.
Brian, you look like you have.

1465
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:06,480
I was like, should I, should I
warn people ahead of time that

1466
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,560
the remake of Psycho Episode is
going to be me just screaming

1467
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,320
for 90 minutes?
It'll be like you OK, it'll.

1468
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,680
Be like your.
Takes on better or worse than

1469
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,840
Nosferatu.
Way worse than.

1470
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,840
Way worse than Nosferatu.
OK, got it.

1471
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,480
All right, well, that will be
that will be a fun one.

1472
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,640
It's 8 bucks on Blu-ray right
now.

1473
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,720
Is that all 8 bucks?
I don't know if that's worth it

1474
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,480
to me.
Wow.

1475
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,520
I don't know if I would have
spent that much.

1476
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,720
So it's going to be like more
like Gus Van Kant that whole

1477
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,440
episode.
The other thing is, I love Gus

1478
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:45,080
Van Sant movies.
I love so many of his movies.

1479
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,280
Yeah, Good Lord.
OK, that will be very fun.

1480
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,160
That will be a fun one.
I'm really looking forward to

1481
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,800
Psycho.
I'm really looking forward to

1482
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,360
digging in, digging into
something like that.

1483
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,480
So which I don't think is a top
five Hitchcock movie.

1484
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,080
There, I've said it.
I'd have to think about it.

1485
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,480
I'd have to seriously think
about it.

1486
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,160
Like think about what are you
taking out of that top five when

1487
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,920
it comes to like Vertigo and
Rear window North by Northwest

1488
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,440
39?
Steps you.

1489
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,280
Know you know what I prefer I
prefer is it saboteur or

1490
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,160
sabotage the one that's.
More, they're both American.

1491
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:28,000
Yeah, so so, so many.
Like where would Psycho actually

1492
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:28,960
fit?
So.

1493
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,600
But that's coming up next month,
folks.

1494
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,160
All right, have a great one.
We'll be back next week with our

1495
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:35,840
Predator.