PREDATOR FRANCHISE RANKINGS

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Hello everyone and welcome to

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the pod and the pendulum.
We are the horror movie podcast

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that covers all the franchises
one movie and one episode at a

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time.
And it's Christmas season, so

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appropriately enough, we have
been making our list.

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We've been checking them twice.
We're going to find out who is

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the best Yelcha to hunt down
man's greatest athletes and

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competitors and hunters.
We are here for our Predator

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ranking episode after covering
all nine films and the Predator

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franchise franchise.
As always, I'm not hunting alone

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as my Co host today we have from
the Spectre Cinema Club Mr.

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Devon Taylor.
Devon, how are we?

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Hello, hello.
I'm very excited to go through

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here because of all the special
episodes.

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I I was like looking back, I was
like shit, we've been doing

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Predators since September
because of all of like the Botus

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and like extra stuff that we
like kind of worked.

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I mean, this is a A9 movie
franchise now, so I mean it is

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big now, but.
I think I made a comment at one

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point that like we are a
Predator podcast now, like we're

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never going to get done.
I was just, I didn't realize I

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was like, damn, I was like, we
really have been going on this

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for a bit, but I excited to
close it out for our ranking.

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And very apropos.
A franchise critiquing

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masculinity quite often only the
boys turned in for the ranking

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today.
So this ranking for the boys out

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there?
It's the manliest of franchises.

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I would say it is, absolutely.
But yeah, Ari and Nicole have

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sat this one out in, Yeah, let's
just say it, Predators of

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franchise for the manliest of
men.

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And when you think of manly men,
you think of my short, rotund

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grow.
But we have a guest today.

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He joined us on Predator 2.
And I want to say it wasn't AVP,

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it was the Predator.
I believe in Mr. Alex Pagliuca,

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who also be joining us for some
of our upcoming psycho episodes.

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Alex, how are we?
I'm doing great, Thanks.

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It's good to be here.
How do you feel like you agree

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or disagree with Devon and I
statement that the predators for

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the boys?
I think so.

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It makes, yeah, I think so.
I think it is.

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It makes sense that it has been
the the guys that have turned

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out to talk about Predator.
It's a little bit more action

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heavy, you know, you know,
'cause we, we determined

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obviously saws for the gurlies.
So it's only fair that you know,

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because, you know, so you know,
every, everyone has their their

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slight leanings and such.
But again, I I do find it

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fascinating because like the
franchise does have so much

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critique for masculinity as
well, which apparently goes over

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a lot of fans heads if you read
certain reviews on Letterbox.

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Of course, of course, you know,
it's all the same people who did

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not realize what Fight Club was
about.

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Now or think born in the USA is
actually pro United States

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patriotic song.
Yes all right well here's what

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we had to do.
So we had 12345 of us ranked all

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of the Predator or not.
All of four of us ranked all of

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the Predator films.
And we had a tie at #1 at that

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point.
And since we couldn't do that,

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we couldn't end on a tie.
It's like kissing your sisters.

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What a tie is like.
If I remember the old axiom from

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like NFL games.
Mr. Brian Kuiper turned in his

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reviews as well 'cause he had
seen at the very least the two

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films that vied for #1 and so he
was the deciding vote on our

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number 1.
And I want to also give a

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special shout out to Steven, who
like woke up extra early today

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to get Badlands in just so he
could include that in his

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rankings as well.
And.

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Commitment, people, Yeah.
So like, you know, folks, not

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all heroes wear capes, but
sometimes they just watch a lot

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of movies.
What we want to say here?

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So all right, we have no, I have
no notes in front of me.

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And this is what happens when I
have no notes.

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I just start nervously talking a
lot.

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So let's do this.
Why don't we start with we'll

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just go 9 through 1, one at a
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And Devon, do you want to kick
things off with our lowest

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ranked film in the Predator
franchise?

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Yes.
So coming in at the bottom of

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our franchise rankings 'cause we
are ranking all the ones that we

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talked about, which include the
two crossover films and landing

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it down at the bottom is 2007's
AVP Colon RA or Alien VS

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Predator Requiem.
Everybody but me had this at

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last place.
I'll say that right now, every I

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had it next to last.
But that is that is the the

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general consensus is just the
worst of the bunch.

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But Devon, we spoke about this
movie together.

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Can you remind why our
listeners, why AVP Requiem is

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the drizzling shits of the
Predator franchise?

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OK, so once again, yes, it's
already been hashed out enough.

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You can't really see a bunch.
It is a very dark movie.

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Apparently there's some version
out there that you can watch

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that you is a little bit easier
to see visually.

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So yes.
So there's that part, but the

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other part is it's a fucking
boring movie.

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Like it is truly really, really
boring at the human characters

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are some of the worst if any of
these films.

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And you know, and it's just it
it's also just sad because

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there's a lot of potential here
in this one.

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So you know, it it is what it
is.

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I mean, it's it's pretty bad.
I remember I I was coming in

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even optimistically wanting to
try to defend it in some fashion

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and there's nothing there for
me, unfortunately, But but Mike

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had a little bit more of a a a
some more positive notes on it.

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I.
Did I?

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Did Alex, you also had this rank
last?

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What?
How did this come up to be the

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bottom of the barrel for you?
I think Devon touched on it like

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the characters are just so bad.
There's so little there that for

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me that is that's one of the big
draws for me always is, is how

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good are the characters.
And in this particular case,

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they're to say cardboard would
would be an upgrade from where

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they are.
And yeah, the the the two AVP

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films, I essentially almost try
to act like they don't exist.

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I'm just, you know, so yeah.
And but.

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You're probably wiser for it.
Yeah, yeah.

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That one particularly, it's been
a number of years since I've

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seen, since I've seen it, but
there's a reason for that.

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Like I, I, I, I remember seeing
it and just being so feeling

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like my time was wasted, which
is rare.

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I don't feel that way about
movies very often.

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They don't even have to be very
good for me to not feel that

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way.
But this one, I, I felt like,

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like my time was wasted.
I I almost wanted to write the

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film makers and you know, like
where I want my time and my

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money back.
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Do that thing how Clooney was
like.

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We'll refund you your ticket if
you say that Batman and Robin

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waste this time.
We need the director to take

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some ownership here.
Yeah, on a studio, I think

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probably.
On a quick side note, I just saw

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like a video of Adam Sandler and
George Clooney on a press junket

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for their new movie, the one
where Sandler might get an Oscar

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nod.
The the new Noah Baumbach and

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Sandler looks better than George
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Like he is far more handsome
than George Clooney, which is?

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That dude, yeah, talk about a
guy who, just like the the luck

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of life, has just fallen in, not
fallen in his lap, but followed

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him around.
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So just wanted to point that out
before I talk about the

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disappointment that is AVPR,
which I had as my #8 like I'm

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not saying it's a hidden gem by
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I thought it was a better
version in terms of like how it

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was executed than my #9 pick.
But you're right, there are

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characters are awful.
And I think I said in the

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episode when the pizza delivery
boy that gets like the shit

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kicked out of him early in the
movie all of a sudden is like

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pulling John Woo Gun Foo into a
Xenomorph at that point, like

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your monsters have lost any
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again.
Like we're talking like Freddy

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Krueger wearing a Power Glove
level of like, I am no longer

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frightened of you, right?
I think like, what I liked about

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this more than what I did pick
at #8 is that it did rely more

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in practical effects.
Although you can't see them.

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It is men in suits beating each
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There is more gore.
It does get the R rating.

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I think if the director, if Paul
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it would have been better
received than his version of

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Alien versus Predator.
But that was not to be.

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So no, we don't need to say more
about AVP Requiem.

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Go and listen to the episode.
A lot of you haven't like it's

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not listen to episodes, but it
was a really.

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Fun.
Shocker.

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Yeah, I can't think.
Look, life is short.

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I can't fault people for that.
But it is a fun.

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Listen, Alex, do you want to
reveal our number 8?

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I I don't have the list.
Oh.

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OK.
Sorry, probably send that over

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to you.
So that's my fault.

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I'll do that because he just
sent me his rankings.

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I entered it for him, but I'll
send him the list.

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OK.
I will do our number 8 and it

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was a tie both of them like what
we did is we basically the high,

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the higher the number, the lower
the ranking.

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It's like where we had it on our
list and our next two films are

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both at 7 and a quarter.
However, because this movie is

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the only one to get a last place
ranking, it would move on the

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mean on the mode a little bit.
So 2018's The Predator is our

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number 8 on the list.
Written in Co written by Fred

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Decker and Shane Black, directed
by Shane Black and chopped to

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pieces by the studio in Devon.
You use the word potential like

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the reason I had this one last
is like on paper this one should

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have been brilliant and it is
just the it's just awful to sit

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through.
Like I can't believe how bad

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this movie is.
It should have killed the

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franchise.
It was that much of A failure.

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Luckily we got Prey after this
but it at the very least it

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removed it from like theatrical
contention for at least one

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movie.
Just like autism is the kids

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special power.
Making him like the alpha male

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at that point was like a weird
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The way it treats mental
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Like Alex, you and I talked
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it like treats mental illness.
Like there are bits that cook

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like amongst the crew.
Like there were times or it does

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cook a little bit, but they're
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Devon, you weren't on for that
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What were your thoughts on The
Predator?

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Yeah, the Predator.
Yeah, I was supposed to be on

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that one, but I was like deathly
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Like it was one of my worst
hangovers of the year.

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And and you guys should know, I
usually do this show hungover.

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So I mean, if it was that bad,
it was bad bad.

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But OK, so here's the thing with
the Predator is yeah, like I

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know a lot of people really hate
this movie.

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I don't hate it.
I actually like certain parts

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about it, but it's like, but the
lows of this are just so

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egregious, like you said, like a
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The the CGI of mega Predator
also really wonky in this as

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well.
But whenever we're hanging out

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with the crazy boys and and, you
know, kind of doing stuff with

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and like the other predator and
like there's a there's a few

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really good action beats.
I like I like the whole set

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piece at the facility.
I think that's actually like a

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really fun like kind of whole
thing breaking out of there, the

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massacre, the chase scene, like
there's there's some decent

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stuff in here, but man, Shane
Black, usually a fan, but like

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to do this coming off the nice
guys and just like go from one

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of his best screenplays ever
written to like his most

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juvenile screenplay is was very
just like woof.

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But I don't know.
I like the cast of this movie

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quite a lot.
I'm I'm a big fan of Travante

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Rhodes.
I think he's great.

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I think Olivia Munn, even though
they don't write her character

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the best, I think she's still
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the material.
And, and I'm I'm actually a fan

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of all Boyd Holbrook.
I'm always rooting for him.

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I would like to see him in some
more things because I think he

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is a fun, charismatic lead in
this, even if he is just kind of

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retreading some of the stuff.
So I don't know.

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There's things that I do like in
The Predator, but I hear

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people's complaints about, like
the very egregious things wrong

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with this movie.
Alex, I know you had this a

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little bit higher at #6 do you
have anything?

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I mean we talked extensively
about this one, but is there

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anything like positively you
wanted to contribute?

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I think that I I agree with
Devon, the things that work

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about it work pretty well, but
the things that are that don't

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work do they just fall so flat
that I totally understand why it

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is this far down the list.
But yeah, I mean, for me, it was

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the, there were a number of the
character interactions in there

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that I really enjoy the
performances.

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Yeah, that's that's that's
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That's the stuff that was
missing for me from the films

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that were lower on the list, on
my list anyway, my personal

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list.
So yeah, that's the stuff that I

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really like.
And I do want to say that like

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Devon said, I was, I am I was
surprised by this movie that

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Olivia Munn's character is not
written very well, but she was

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still like really likable and
enjoyable.

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She fits into this little boys
club pretty nicely and she makes

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that character work despite how
little there is for her.

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And that was something that
that, you know, re watching it

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when we were recording the show,
I was like, oh, this is actually

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pretty cool.
And I yeah, I just wish that

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there was a little bit more, a
little bit more meat on the bone

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as far as story.
And character, No, yeah, I agree

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with all of that.
It's and I think I, I, I hear

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what you're saying to Von about
Boyd Holbrook.

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I wonder if someone like a
Jensen Echols in the lead role,

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who I really like in things like
Supernatural, if how that would

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have gone or if they had just
relied more unlike straight

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practical effects, how that
would have gone.

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But it's still pretty.
It's it's I don't know if it

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would be that much higher
overall.

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That ending ending is so goofy.
And what's weird is like, AVP

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Requiem and the Predator seem
like the same movie.

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Like they have a lot of the plot
beats kind of follow one

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another, almost like beat by
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It's a little bit weird.
But yeah, there we are.

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All right, Alex, do you now have
the list in front of you?

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All right, so Alien versus
Predator is coming in at the

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seven spot.
And for me, this is just a, like

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I said, the two AVP movies are
movies.

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I try not to, I try to act like
they just don't exist.

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The disappointment for me and
how bad they are compared to the

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possibility that is there by
bringing these, you know, 2

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iconic franchises, these two
iconic characters together is

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just almost unforgivable.
So I yeah, I they're, they're

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just terrible movies.
They're just poorly written.

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And poor Sonia Latham gets
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it's just a mess.
It's just a mess.

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What were your thoughts on AVP?
Devon yeah.

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So me and Garrett did a
commentary track for this

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earlier in the year, so I
revisited then.

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And so, yes, of course, there is
a lot of disappointment in the

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crossover movie.
This is definitely no Freddy

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versus Jason.
I did have this higher than most

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people and that is primarily on
the strength of Sanaa Lathan and

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Scar.
I think Scar might be one of the

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best Yaucha of the series.
Like as far as like

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demonstrating like before we
kind of knew more of the lore,

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but like demonstrating again,
like the the the code that they

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live by and that he was like a
different, you know, one that he

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stuck so strictly to the code
that or, or that the other

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Yowcha then like, you know,
we're like kind of after him.

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So like, I don't know.
Scar, I think is one of the more

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interesting Yowcha of the series
and the fact that this is the

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closest we get to a human Yowcha
romance.

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The sparks were flying between
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I'm just saying.
And I felt it.

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I don't know about you guys, but
I felt it so.

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You said at one point, like
because you were on the episode

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prior to that and I think you
had said how they were at one

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point in the script were
supposed to make out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like it was in there.

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It was in there and somebody
chickened out.

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I don't know who, but it was
thrown around that there was

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that they were going to kiss and
they should have.

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But yeah, so that that's mostly
because like the the the set

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design for the temple kind of
boring.

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You got Lance Henriks in there
and you're not really using him.

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And he's right.
You know, they they didn't tie

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him in with Bishop, but then
they tied him in with what?

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I don't know, whatever.
So there's.

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Yeah.
So that one has a lot of issues

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again, just like kind of just
more disappointing, though

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that's not like egregiously bad
like Requiem is for me.

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Like like I can, I've watched
AVP quite a few times.

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I'm like, you know, it's fine.
Like I can throw this on.

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It's it's not the worst.
It's just it's not what it could

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have been, of course.
Yeah, disappointing's a good

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word to use there.
And sometimes that's worse than

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being bad.
Like I know as a parent or when

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I was a kid, like an adult
saying I'm not mad, I'm

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disappointed.
Stung more was so much more than

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like actually someone being
angry.

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Paul WS Anderson, like he's not
the greatest filmmaker ever, but

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he makes some fun movies and he
definitely has a point of view.

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Like he definitely has a style.
And I don't think this is on

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him.
I think what's disappointing is

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like in the. 15 year build up to
this movie.

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You had seen the Predator, the
Yelcha and the Xenomorph take

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one another on in other medium
like comic books and novels and

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video games.
And they've been done so well

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that to get it wrong on the big
screen felt especially like

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Devon, you said coming off of
Freddy versus Jason, which is,

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you know, not perfect, but it's
a hell of a lot of fun.

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Like it's as good as you could
possibly hope one of these

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crossover movies would be.
And this feels like a lot more

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like House of Dracula or House
of Frankenstein, like really

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disappointing efforts.
And it does Abbott and Costello

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meet Frankenstein in terms of
like your bang for your buck.

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And I think partly that's the
PG13 rating.

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Like you have two franchises
that have always been R rated

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franchises.
And you're like, we got to bring

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the kiddies in for this.
And you really, really feel that

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with this.
But AVP Requiem coming in at our

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number seven pick, tied with the
Predator.

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And Yvonne, why don't you talk
about our number six pick?

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So coming in at #6 is the first
sequel of this franchise,

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Predator 2 from 1990.
I wasn't on this episode, and I

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have it the lowest out of any of
the people in the rankings

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because I'm sorry, this movie, I
don't like it.

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I don't think it's good.
It is.

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And don't get me wrong, I love
90s horror aesthetics and

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things, but this is like kind of
just like the worst when you're

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like kind of if you were to like
lump it in with stuff like Total

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Recall, Demolition Man around in
that kind of era, Like they all

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kind of have that similar stake
and this one is kind of doing it

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the worst, unfortunately.
Glad that it they just kept the

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sweaty component.
This might be the second

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sweatiest movie of the franchise
after the first one, but I don't

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know.
It just doesn't really work.

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Like, I I like the idea.
Yeah, let's bring a Oucha to the

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urban jungle now.
And we have Jamaican gangs and

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we don't really know how
futuristic it is, but Danny

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Glover's got a cool gun.
I don't know, like this, this

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one just kind of doesn't really
do it for me.

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It doesn't really have very
memorable set pieces.

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I don't really like the Oucha on
this one either.

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I don't know.
This is just it is this is a

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kind of the the all the the the
worst proclivities of the 90s

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sci-fi action stuff of this era.
But I don't know, I feel like a

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lot of people just have
nostalgia for this film, which

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is fine, like I totally get it,
but I don't have that nostalgia

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for this film.
Does it go up in your mind a

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little bit if you frame it as a
sequel to Saw?

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And like what we see here in Los
Angeles is a seat, a prequel.

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It's like Sauce City.
Like it's kind of heading down

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that road because the way and
how close to this was the LA

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that you knew and loved before
you moved out of there?

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Like, how recognizable was this
Los Angeles?

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I mean, to 2025 Los Angeles,
like downtown, like right now,

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like it's, it's not great.
It's not great.

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Like MacArthur Park kind of
looks like this right now,

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actually.
Like not going to lie, but yeah,

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I don't know it just yeah, if I,
if I did frame it as a

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eventuality from from solid,
then like just imagine them

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being like, oh man, that John
Kramer guy was awful.

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Can't get much worse than that.
And they just see a yaucho

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walking down the alley.
God damn it.

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So.
Yeah, Yelcha versus Billy the

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puppet would be quite the quite
the cinematic showdown.

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Alex, we talked about this movie
together and I know like you

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have it like just above Devon in
the rankings.

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So I'm guessing that like, well,
we talked about it, yet there's

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not a lot of love for this one.
No, no, again, there's just not

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much.
There's not much character

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there.
They it almost seems like they

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didn't, they were not really
completely sure which movie they

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were trying to make.
And So what ends up on the

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screen is kind of scattershot.
And then there is, yes, the

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portrayal of the city itself,
which is kind of insane.

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And then there's like some low
key racism going on.

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And it's just, it just didn't
it, it annoys me.

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This movie kind of annoys me a
little bit, as much as I love

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Danny Glover and I, you know,
the cast, you know, they've got

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this cast of great 90s actors
and, and again, it's just, it's

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wasting a whole bunch of of good
stuff and it just doesn't seem

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to know what it wants to be.
Yeah, You know how like the

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Hellraiser series by like the
midpoint of that they started to

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like get like Dimension would
get these scripts that didn't

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have Pinhead in them.
It had nothing to do with

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Hellraiser.
And just warn Pinhead in there,

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yeah.
The Weinsteins would say, let's

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make it, but with Pinhead, and
we'll put that straight to video

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and we'll make cash.
It almost feels like this was.

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It does feel like that.
Yeah, it does, yeah.

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Yeah, it does.
I have a little higher.

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I had it like right in the
middle for me at #5 and it's not

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because it's a great movie.
I think that's really more to do

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with the other ones.
Like I'm like dislike for them

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much more so than than anything
this does right.

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Although I do like Danny Glover
in this, I do like how sweaty

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this movie is and I like that
Danny Glover is a different anti

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hero than Arnold is, is Dutch.
Like he doesn't come out at the

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end of this is traumatized.
Like he comes out with this wild

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ass grin and that fancy pistol
and he's like ready to whoop

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some more ass.
And I kind of like that.

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I kind of like that aesthetic.
And it does give you that first

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tease of alien versus Predator
with like the Xenomorph skull.

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And I in 1990 when that wasn't a
thing that like you didn't have

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that in every movie.
Like, oh, we're setting up the

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next phase and we're doing
Easter eggs for fans.

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Like that was pretty cool, but.
There's that was the most

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exciting thing about the movie
when you saw it in the theaters,

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was like, Oh my God, that's a
xenomorph.

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Yeah, not a lot to love.
Not a lot to love here.

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All right, Alex, do you want to
give your number our number 5?

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Our number 5 is going to be
predators. 2010, yeah.

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I probably had this one.
I'm going to guess I had this

441
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,160
one a little bit higher than
than the rest of than everybody

442
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,760
else.
I like this movie.

443
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,240
To me, this was just fun.
Silly.

444
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,360
The characters do work a little
bit better.

445
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:11,960
Even though they're not great,
they're not as bad as the.

446
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Characters in the previous.
And the other, the other films

447
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,840
we've talked about so far or the
other films that were lower on

448
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,320
my ranking anyway.
So yeah, I, it's just fun.

449
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,720
And I, Adrian Brody is not the
best choice here for a lead for

450
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,040
sure.
But I do think everyone around

451
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:39,040
him is doing, is, is doing
pretty well in the rewatch for

452
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,560
this one.
I was very, I, I didn't remember

453
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,640
it being the cast that it is.
And those are all actors that at

454
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,520
this point, like they have,
they've had really good careers.

455
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,960
So it, it was that it, it's fun
from that perspective.

456
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,520
And I do enjoy the I the fact
that they took it off of Earth

457
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,880
and went somewhere else and,
and, you know, trying to do

458
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,200
something a little different and
new.

459
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,760
So that stuff to me was, was all
enjoyable.

460
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,840
And it's not a great movie, but
I do have fun with it.

461
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Yeah, Devon, you had this as
your number 5.

462
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Like what word are your?
What do you have to say?

463
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Yeah, I'm looking at the
averages and where everybody

464
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080
else had it like has an average
of 4.8, everybody kind of had it

465
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,640
around this like kind of middle
area.

466
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,920
And honestly, like cuz on my
list I could move around

467
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,880
Predators AVP like I could, I
can kind of shift them around

468
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,760
and the predator honestly, like
they're all kind of around the

469
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,400
same area.
The reason this one is above the

470
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,560
other two though, is the
variety.

471
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,560
Like this is predators dollar
sign at the end, you know, like

472
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,200
you know, in homage to aliens.
Do I think it could have been

473
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600
even more fun if Robert
Rodriguez actually directed it

474
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,280
instead of produced it totally.
Like I I I feel like we could

475
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
have had a lot more fun with
this movie, even though it is

476
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,560
still pretty solid.
Like like Alex said, Adrian

477
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Brody, the biggest miscast of
the entire franchise.

478
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Like him being the the lead is
just so I don't know it it the

479
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,160
voice he's doing is so fucking
funny.

480
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Like, it makes me laugh.
Like he is trying so hard and he

481
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,200
is so serious about what he's
doing, you know.

482
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Hey, hey, he's a he's a working
actor.

483
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Shout out to him.
But yeah.

484
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,280
But the rest of the cast,
though, I mean, yeah.

485
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Like it.
Is this a list cast when they

486
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,120
weren't a list yet?
Like, you know, like Walton

487
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,320
Goggins, Marsha Lee, we got
Larry Fish in here just gobbling

488
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840
up the scenery.
Like he steals the entire movie

489
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,840
away for like a solid like 30
minutes.

490
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,520
And and I'm, I'm, I love it,
honestly, I'm like I I'm all for

491
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,320
it.
And but yeah, but the variety of

492
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,840
the cast, different types of
predators up against a team of

493
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040
predators this time multiple
Oucha.

494
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,080
We get variety within that
little group as well.

495
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,120
You know, having like the
tracker one with like the little

496
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,320
flying drone thing, like that's
cool.

497
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,760
We have a Yaocha versus samurai
straight out of a comic book,

498
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,480
you know, type of scene in this
movie.

499
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160
So yeah, you know, they're just
they're just kind of having fun

500
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,520
with it.
I just wish they would have had

501
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,480
a little more fun.
But like, you know, I like what

502
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,320
I like what's going on here.
Yeah, I I had this actually

503
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,240
below Predator 2, like right
below it, but you could kind of

504
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,080
flip flop them.
I'll be the third voice to say

505
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,440
like, not only is 80 Aiden Brody
miscast, but he knows it.

506
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Like if you watch any of the
behind the scene clips, like in

507
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000
the making of docs, which I tend
to do when we prep for these, he

508
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,240
knows like he's in over his
head, like he already knows the

509
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,880
backlash that he's going to get
playing this role.

510
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,880
And he like wears it like a chip
on his shoulder.

511
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,240
There are some fun things, like
the idea of, like, moving it off

512
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,680
planet, the idea of like, having
these, like, it's not a

513
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,000
mercenary team like in the first
film, but like they're thrown

514
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,080
together and they're all sort
of, they're in a lot of ways,

515
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,160
like they're all sort of
villains.

516
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Like they're all sort of
killers.

517
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,120
And they're going up against
three different Predators.

518
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,640
Mike Yeah, that is a lot of fun.
There's another nod to the Alien

519
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,160
franchise.
There's a few fun set pieces

520
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,800
here.
And like, yeah, Larry Fishburne

521
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,400
just comes in for a couple
scenes and eats everybody's

522
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,480
lunch and he knows exactly,
exactly the movie he's in.

523
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,920
And I think the the thing about
this franchise as a whole is

524
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,280
there's no like alien in this
series or there's like a one all

525
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,560
time masterpiece.
Like it's a classic, you know,

526
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,720
top ten got to rank it in any
top 10 horror movie of all time

527
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,600
ranking.
And there's also like the lows

528
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,560
of the it's almost like Friday
the 13th or even the lowest of

529
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,440
the lows.
Like if you gave me a cleaned up

530
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,200
version of AVP Requiem where I
could see what was going on, I

531
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,800
would buy that for 10-15 bucks
in Blu-ray and watch it and get

532
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,160
some enjoyment.
It'd be like a a Saturday

533
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,240
afternoon rainy day movie.
There's nothing on here that is

534
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520
like complete trash.
So even though, like, when we're

535
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,240
kind of making fun of some of
the things here, they're still,

536
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,520
like, very watchable.
Like, this franchise is the

537
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,880
epitome of like, Made for the
USA or sci-fi Network.

538
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,240
On a rainy Saturday afternoon
when, like, Devon, if you're

539
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,880
hungover and just want to hang
on the couch and eat some

540
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,320
nachos, well, that would be more
like me, I guess.

541
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,760
Then you know that's what this
series is all about.

542
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,240
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.

543
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,680
All right.
Devon, do you want to do our

544
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,760
number four movie?
All right, so coming in at #4

545
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,680
another one I was disappointed I
couldn't be on, but we have one

546
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,400
of the two 2025 entries,
Predator Colon Killer of

547
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Killers, the Animated edition,
making it pretty high into the

548
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,400
top half of the list.
And I like this one.

549
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920
You know, kind of echoing from
some of what I've just said

550
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,480
about having the variety.
That's what I like about this.

551
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,760
This is Dan Trachtenberg being
like, oh, OK.

552
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,000
Like, yeah, like, you know, you
can insert a Yaucha into this

553
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,800
scenario, into this time
setting, into this, you know,

554
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,000
whatever.
And I think that's just a very

555
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200
fun idea.
Like, I hope they do like

556
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,800
another, like, kind of animated
anthology.

557
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720
I think that was just a very
smart decision, but not only

558
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,840
that, the movie fucking bangs
like fucking like each section

559
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,920
is strong in their own rights.
You get something different gal

560
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,760
with the the dueling fucking
twin bladed Shields.

561
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,320
What?
That's straight out of DND.

562
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,320
Like that was so fun.
And then the, the samurai versus

563
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,840
the ninja, also super fun.
And then having a, a, a, you

564
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,440
ought to go up against a pilot
and then you know, like putting

565
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,520
emphasis on their ship.
So like, I think each individual

566
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,840
story does something very fun
and interesting.

567
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,840
I think the animation style, I
don't love it.

568
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,639
It's not my favorite style of
animation, but eventually I get

569
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,360
used to it as I'm watching the
movie.

570
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,440
But I like all the different
variations, all the different

571
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,520
designs because we start getting
a lot more variety in the looks

572
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,800
of the Oucha from this one.
You know, like you know,

573
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,040
Predator, Predator 2, Predators,
AVP.

574
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,280
They all kind of look similar
ish, just with slight

575
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,920
variations.
I like that the the more recent

576
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,080
ones films, we actually get a
lot more variation amongst the

577
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,400
Oucha, which is a super fun
place to be in right now.

578
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,360
And I like what this film kind
of opens up for the rest of the

579
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,720
universe.
You know, this was our first dip

580
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,480
in getting some additional lore
people.

581
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,880
I get to stay.
You know, if you stay till the

582
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,040
end of the film and you see
characters from previous films

583
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,520
put on ice, that could possibly
come back sometime in the

584
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,000
franchise.
That's really fun.

585
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Yeah, I this was a total
surprise.

586
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,200
You know, this was a secret just
hey, we're putting this out on

587
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,640
straight to stream in here's a
bonus Predator movie before

588
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,160
Predator Badlands.
Like that's so fun.

589
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,920
Like we're we're in a good time
right now.

590
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,600
So I really like Killer of
Killers.

591
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,000
It's like you said, a bonus
movie, like it was not known

592
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,760
about, like it was a It's a rare
treat to be that surprised about

593
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,760
a movie coming out in this day
and date where there's like, not

594
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,800
massive coverage on it.
And it is like, it's like going

595
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,720
to the house on Halloween that
gives out full size candy bars

596
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,160
and like, not expecting them
too.

597
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,040
And they'll give you an extra 1.
So Alex, do you have this rated

598
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,680
your highest?
The highest at #3 what?

599
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,000
And I know you weren't on the
episode.

600
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,960
What are your thoughts on killer
killers?

601
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,120
I think so.
This kind of middle from three

602
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,120
down until you get to like
Predator 2 in the AVP movies.

603
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,720
I think really those this kind
of middle section of my list and

604
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,640
they're just really fun.
And like Devon was saying, like

605
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,600
this is this is really fun.
And the reason I have it so high

606
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,720
is that in the short, these are
shorts, and I care more about

607
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:27,080
the characters in these shorts
than I did about any of the

608
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,760
characters at the bottom of my
list.

609
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,400
Absolutely.
And it, it, you know, they're

610
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,440
doing that in three, 4-5 minutes
time.

611
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,400
I care about these characters.
They have a hook in me.

612
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,920
And then the this is a perfect,
I think the predator is really

613
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,720
perfect for animation.
And so I just, I think it all

614
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,360
works so well and the choices
of, you know, splitting it up

615
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,840
into like different time periods
and then even going to Japan

616
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,800
like it's just a it was, it's,
it shows an imaginative way of

617
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,760
thinking about the character and
what we know about it and all

618
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,560
those things.
And I, yeah, I just the, the,

619
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,400
the, the Nordic kind of Viking
1.

620
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,880
I loved it.
I thought it was awesome.

621
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,680
And then you we got into the to
the Japanese, you know, where

622
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,800
it's in Japan and suddenly it's
the Predator coming into like a

623
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,800
different story.
Like there's a story going on

624
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,400
there already and it's the
Predator changing the way that

625
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,840
story is going.
And I, I just, I thought all of

626
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,920
that, just the way of thinking
about it was really well, was

627
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
really fun.
And they're really well made.

628
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,120
It just looks great.
The whole thing just looks

629
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,280
really good.
So yeah.

630
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,080
I think when you get to like 4
on up for our rankings, like you

631
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,000
get 4 fantastic movies and a
couple of them you can almost

632
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,040
interchange in the rankings
here.

633
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Oh yeah, Oh my God.
Shout out Rick Gonzalez doing

634
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,520
the voice of Torres in this one.
I didn't realize that was him,

635
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,320
and I think he has the best
voice performance.

636
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,240
Those of you who don't know Rick
Gonzalez, 2000s icon from stuff

637
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:21,160
like Coach Carter and Roll
Bounce, and he was also in a few

638
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,600
seasons of Arrow.
Oh, very cool.

639
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,320
Louis Ozawa also comes back like
he was in Predators.

640
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Like he's the one that like has
a samurai sword fight with a

641
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Predator in Predators and he
does the same here in animated

642
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,560
form as well, which I think is
also like really cool.

643
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,720
I think what this does really
well is it kind of like follows

644
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,120
up on the promise after Prey of
like, Oh my gosh, it would be

645
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,480
great to see the Yelcha in all
of these like different time

646
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,520
periods and these different
settings.

647
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,040
And you can do so much with that
character.

648
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,720
And not only do you get one film
that does it here, but you get 3

649
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,560
great short movies.
And this was like such a

650
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,840
surprise to me that like when I
put it on and it cuts from that

651
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,480
like kind of period with like
the Nordic Vikings and then

652
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,400
moves to samurai era Japan.
I'm like, Oh, I didn't know the

653
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960
movie was even doing this.
I did not know it was going to

654
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,080
be a a bunch of connected short
movies.

655
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,480
So that was really cool.
And then obviously you have the

656
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,280
Stinger at the end of it.
And like a quick 32nd spoiler

657
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,160
listeners, if you don't want to
haven't seen killer killers and

658
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,800
don't want to be spoiled, skip
ahead for 30 seconds.

659
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,000
But you get the revelation at
the end that Dutch and Danny

660
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Glover's Mike and Amber mid
thunders Nauru are all like on a

661
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,800
deep freeze like they are
captured by predators.

662
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,920
So there might be some follow up
in the future.

663
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,080
Like really enjoyed this.
It was really well done.

664
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,000
It sounds incredible.
Like watching it in a decent

665
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,920
home theater.
The animation is gorgeous.

666
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,720
It's very much in that vein.
I think one of our one of our Co

667
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,000
hosts put it as like across the
spider verse like that has that

668
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,360
kind of style to it.
I really dug this a lot and

669
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,360
yeah, it's very close to our.
It's really hard to pick between

670
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:24,320
this and our number three pick,
which is 2020 Fives Badlands,

671
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,800
the latest Predator film, the
most successful 1 financially,

672
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,160
and it's one that I I had it
ranked my #3 This one had was to

673
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,360
me a lot of fun, like seeing in
the theaters doing something a

674
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,280
lot again, like doing something
different, but making the Yelcha

675
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,280
the point of view character, the
one that you're rooting for.

676
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,920
It's something I have said in a
lot of these episodes is I don't

677
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,360
see the Yelcha necessarily as
villains or monsters so much as

678
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,440
antagonists.
Like they are not necessarily

679
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,520
evil so much as like someone who
goes out like deer hunting is

680
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,280
evil either.
Like they are hunters.

681
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,280
That's what they're doing here.
And you see that here.

682
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,560
But you get like to Alex, to
your point, Deck is a phenomenal

683
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,440
character.
Bessa is a fan via our

684
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,840
phenomenal characters.
Like you come to care about them

685
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,240
throughout the course of the
events of Badlands.

686
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,440
And does it feel a bit like a
star like Predator put a little

687
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,720
bit through like the Star Wars
blender, like Disney Star Wars

688
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,680
in particular?
Sure.

689
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,360
But this is a much more
enjoyable Star Wars effort than

690
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,720
I think has been done in quite a
while.

691
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,120
So to me, I really enjoyed it.
What do you guys say?

692
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,880
Big fan.
Yeah.

693
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,960
I had this one at #3 on my list.
I agree with a lot of things

694
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,320
you're saying.
Like this was just the perfect

695
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,040
time to finally switch it up.
And like you said, like, you

696
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,240
know, take it to the Yaucha POV,
get more lore at the fact that

697
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,080
like, you know, how much of
this, you know, like the it's

698
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,000
like what the first 10-15
minutes before we hear anything

699
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,920
in English, you know, like we're
only hearing the Yaocha tongue.

700
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,280
So like the confidence that they
have at the franchise at this

701
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,360
point right now to be like, yes,
we can trust audiences that like

702
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,160
we can have this character, you
know, not speaking in English

703
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,960
and it be still people still be
engaged with it and things like

704
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,080
that.
But then, yeah, just so I kind

705
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,000
of turn things around again,
we're at this fun place now to

706
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,560
where the Predator and Alien
franchise can play in the same

707
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,880
sandbox, you know, and which is
super fun so 'cause the synth

708
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,360
characters are always my
favorite in the Alien movie.

709
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,560
So love Thea and yeah, is it
beats that you've seen before?

710
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Totally.
You know, But again, it's like I

711
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,080
always say, tropes themselves
are not bad.

712
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,600
It's how you use them.
And this film uses the tropes to

713
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,840
keep the story simple enough to
then we can prioritize on the

714
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,040
other stuff like the cool set
design and the creativity of the

715
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,640
aliens and all the different
creatures on this planet.

716
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Like, I think that's really fun,
but then also remixing tropes of

717
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,760
the franchise itself and kind of
turning Predator on its head,

718
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,960
you know, with it coming at its
critique of toxic masculinity in

719
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,440
a different direction.
Yeah.

720
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,360
Deck is such a dynamic
character.

721
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,440
Absolutely loved it.
This is a I'd say this is the

722
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,920
most crowd pleasing movie of the
franchise.

723
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Honestly, if you're kind of
looking at them like like this

724
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,440
is just a fun popcorn like good
time type of movie.

725
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,400
You see something cool, you give
your homie a high 5.

726
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,360
It's kind of one of those
movies, you know, and I had a

727
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,080
blast with it.
And Oh my God, Bud.

728
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Bud is so Frenchy coated.
So, you know, I absolutely loved

729
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
him and I cried at the end when
they touched foreheads.

730
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,120
So yeah, big Badlands fan.
How about yourself, Alex?

731
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,960
You have this as #4 But like you
said, like 4 through 1.

732
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
They're all like kind of
bangers.

733
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,320
Yeah, I I this could have, I
could have switched this with

734
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Killer of Killers very easily.
But it yeah, again, it, it, it

735
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,960
is taking the franchise and the
character into some new

736
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,720
directions.
The performances are

737
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:20,280
outstanding.
The like you said, you do care

738
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,080
about the characters when that
you know that for me is if I

739
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,600
can't get into the characters,
that's kind of the death knell

740
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,320
for a movie.
And yeah, I it the IT, it's just

741
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,800
so well done.
The set pieces work really well.

742
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:45,240
I think for me, Prey came along
and kind of reinvigorated the

743
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,760
the franchise.
And this is showing that Dan

744
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Trachtenberg is thinking about
this entire this entire

745
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,040
franchise in a way that is, hey,
how do we move this forward?

746
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,600
How do we do something
different?

747
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,360
He's not just looking backward.
And I think that if we're going

748
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,160
to keep having franchise
storytelling being such a big

749
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,960
part of the the movie
environment, the movie

750
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:19,640
landscape, I really like having
A1A major franchise that is

751
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,800
thinking that way, that is
thinking about how do we go

752
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,840
forward instead of just looking
backward all the time.

753
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,840
So yeah, I came out and it was
just so much fun.

754
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,920
It was so much fun.
I hear what you're saying about

755
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,680
like moving things forward.
I think one of the strengths of

756
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,960
this franchise is you can pretty
much drop in on any of these

757
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,160
movies at any time and be OK.
Even though like Killer of

758
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,800
Killers pushes Prey a little bit
forward.

759
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,640
I would say Badlands in some
ways pushes killer killers a

760
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,920
little bit forward, but I don't
have to necessarily watch those

761
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,920
others to know what's going on.
I unlike say if Scream 7 is the

762
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,920
first one I go see, I'm probably
going to be pretty lost.

763
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,400
I don't know what's going on and
I kind of wish more franchises

764
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,680
took that.
Alex, why don't you keep it

765
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:19,920
going with our number 2?
And the number 2 is going to be

766
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Predator, the original in the
series.

767
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,440
And this was where I had this
movie ranked and I it it's

768
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,360
iconic, you know, it's just
iconic and it is like the the

769
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,680
the last few we were talking
about.

770
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:40,480
It's super fun, but I do think
it also one of the reasons that

771
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,520
it worked so well, one of the
reasons it was so iconic and so

772
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,800
popular is it that even though
they are a little bit

773
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:53,760
caricatures, the performances
from all of the actors in this

774
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,400
movie make those characters a
little bit deeper.

775
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,560
They give them a little
something and you feel the

776
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,920
relationship that they have to
each other.

777
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,400
So yeah, I, I think it's a super
fun movie.

778
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,640
And the, you know, you get the
introduction of the predator of

779
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,960
this creature.
I think the creature design,

780
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,160
just the, the basic, the
original, you know, foundation

781
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,760
is so good.
It's so cool.

782
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,560
And the, you know, all of you,
you start setting up the rules

783
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,200
and the lore.
It's, it's all put together so

784
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,440
well.
And Mcternan was a really good

785
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,720
acting director.
You know, whatever came of him

786
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,920
later, he was a very, very good
action director.

787
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,480
So the action is great, too.
It's yeah.

788
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,400
It's just such a good movie.
Predator Die hard Hunt for Red

789
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,800
October like back-to-back to
back like that is that is like

790
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,840
this version of like doing Rear
Window Vertigo in North by

791
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,240
Northwest in quick succession
and even even Hitchcock had a

792
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,840
couple movies in between those
as well.

793
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
I don't know if anyone's ever
compared John Mctiernan to

794
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,440
Alfred Hitchcock, but that's
just what we do here.

795
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,280
Tafan, what are your thoughts on
the original Predator?

796
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Yeah, so we, I was on that
episode kicking this franchise

797
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,840
off.
And even though, yeah, I'm super

798
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,880
happy about like where we are in
the franchise now and like the

799
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,800
the opportunities and things
like that, there's still

800
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,320
something fun about going back
to this one and it being so

801
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,160
economic compared to the other
ones.

802
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,400
Like this is it's a lean, you
know, action machine of a movie.

803
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,560
It simmers really slow to like
kind of start off, you know,

804
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,640
start, you know, first half of
the movie is, you know, your

805
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,160
kind of standard, you know,
commando in the jungles type of

806
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,760
a movie.
But the way that the movie

807
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,600
evolves is it's paced out so
well and the structure like

808
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,160
that, you know, and yeah, the
introduction to this iconic

809
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,720
creature, you know, I think is
you know, it it's still always

810
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,760
like kind of Evergreen in that
way again in up there for, you

811
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,280
know, sweatiest movie of all
time and just and but like used

812
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,640
in such a way that like this
movie like looks so great still.

813
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,360
And the cast is Oh yeah, just
fantastic.

814
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,480
This movie still forever rules
for sure, Definitely you know,

815
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:21,200
defies AD 80s genre films for
the time and you know, has its

816
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,240
place in genre film history for
a reason.

817
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:30,760
But I think the the the pillars
established in this film are

818
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,520
then improved upon in another.
Yeah.

819
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,640
I'll speak very quickly on this
one.

820
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,680
And then Devon, I'll have you
unveil our number one.

821
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,960
I I love this movie.
I had it in my #1 and I could

822
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,400
have easily flip-flopped.
And it's definitely nostalgia

823
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,080
talking when I have like this
ranked as my my top pick here.

824
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,600
I adore this movie.
It's so much fun, but also like

825
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,640
watching it now, like seeing it
as like a thinly veiled critique

826
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,720
of the American military's
perception of itself.

827
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,760
And yeah, kind of like living
through those times again, with

828
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,640
some of the ridiculous shit
we're seeing like the Department

829
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,120
of War and my gut, don't get me
started on that.

830
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,400
But the the scene that stood out
the most to me on the re

831
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,400
watching it for our episode was
when they when Dutch's unit

832
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:28,320
pours basically 20,000 rounds of
artillery into the jungle and

833
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,240
they basically give it like the
equivalent of a paper cut in the

834
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,400
how.
That is such a great critique of

835
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
what's going on.
But also, like Alex, you said

836
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,520
you care about these characters.
You care about the relationship

837
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,880
between Dutch and between Carl
Weathers Sergeant here.

838
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,080
I mean, you get the great mem,
of course, of them, you know,

839
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,720
slapping biceps together and
clapping hands.

840
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,400
The Arnold allows himself to, I
think, be vulnerable in a way

841
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,320
that a lot of other action stars
would never dream of.

842
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Stallone could approach it at
times, but not with a character

843
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,080
like Dutch.
Like you could not see someone

844
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,080
like Rambo outside of First
Blood, which is a much different

845
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,440
and not really an action movie.
Having that said, the sense of

846
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,800
vulnerability that Dutch kind of
goes through the last act here

847
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,200
and that last image of him like
looking just completely haunted

848
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,720
is a really incredible way to
end a film.

849
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,920
Stan Winston's design on the
Yowcha is just outstanding.

850
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,760
Jesse the body Ventura like
every outside of a couple slurs

851
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,040
that have not, you know, weren't
appropriate at the time and have

852
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,560
aged even worse.
But him calling himself a sexual

853
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,040
Tyrannosaurus and ain't got time
to bleed like I fucking love

854
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,240
them.
Absolutely adore this movie, but

855
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,080
it did not win.
It was 2/10 of a point away from

856
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,160
our top spot.
And Devon, why don't you unveil

857
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,400
our number one Predator film?
Oh yes, I love the drama, it was

858
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,360
so close.
But coming in #1 is Prey from

859
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,360
2022, directed by Dan
Trachtenberg.

860
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,240
So as far as the breakdown goes,
yes, as far as the breakdown

861
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,040
goes, Brian came in who he had
called his shot earlier in the

862
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,080
episodes.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure every

863
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,920
episode that me and Brian were
on together, we managed to talk

864
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680
about Prey before we actually
got to the Prey episode.

865
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,440
But you know, so we were kind of
calling our shots early on.

866
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,560
This one being our number ones
is my #1 because, again, it

867
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,520
takes everything, but then it
evolves the themes of its

868
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,120
christique on masculinity.
You know, I think Naru is the

869
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,440
most dynamic character in this
franchise in not only what, you

870
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,160
know, she represents, but also
her capabilities and what she

871
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,800
does up against the Oucha.
And I think this film itself, it

872
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,880
was, you know, kind of a little
bit of a miracle.

873
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,600
Like, yeah, we've been having
fun with the Predator franchise

874
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,440
up to this point.
And then, you know, everyone was

875
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,640
super excited for the Predator,
and then it was what it was.

876
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,000
And then and then so it was kind
of like, OK, like, is this

877
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,040
franchise dead?
Like are we going to continue on

878
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:28,560
and this movie revitalizes it
and in a way that reminded like

879
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,200
this movie not even just as a
Predator movie, like this is

880
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,640
just a good ass movie.
Like again, like how much time

881
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,440
we spend on Naru, you know,
before the Ouch even comes in

882
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,120
and the way that the Ouch then
interweaves into the themes of

883
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,640
her story, I think is it's just
so good.

884
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,680
Like every time I rewatch this
movie, I appreciate a little bit

885
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,640
more and I'm just like, wow, I'm
like this like really is a gem,

886
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,400
a Ripper of a movie.
Like I mean, it gives you

887
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,440
everything, you know, it gives
you the drama.

888
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:02,120
It has fantastic acting, action
set pieces, the new design for

889
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,080
the feral version of the Oucha
and making this a period piece

890
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,800
as well.
Just so many great decisions

891
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,360
were made on this film, and I
think it it was executed

892
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,320
fantastically.
And I think, yeah, I think it's

893
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,800
the cream of the crop.
Yeah, Alex, what say because you

894
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,920
also had this as your top pick?
Yeah, I think it's one of those

895
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,880
rare movies that comes along and
like UK proves you can do

896
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,120
everything like it just it does
so much so well.

897
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,120
Like Devon said, the action is
great, it looks great.

898
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:43,360
There's a there a couple of
maybe slightly dodgy CG, but

899
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,640
the, the cinematography is
excellent.

900
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,880
The writing is really good.
You get the performances from

901
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,480
Amber Mid Thunder and Dakota
Beavers who are like, they're

902
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,840
outstanding.
They're just excellent.

903
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,040
And you care about the
characters through the through

904
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,400
the progression of the movie.
And one of the things that I

905
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:12,440
really, really, really love is
that they show she is not quite

906
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,960
the badass she thinks she is at
the beginning of the movie.

907
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,920
But as it progresses, she's
learning.

908
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,720
It's she is getting the
opportunity to learn all of the

909
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:28,520
things she wanted to learn.
And she does then become the

910
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,040
person that she has wanted to be
and has thought she could be

911
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,960
over the cost of the entire
film.

912
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880
And it's just, I think it's
just, you know, it's fun, it's

913
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,280
heartfelt.
It, it's just, it's the whole

914
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,240
thing.
It, it and it has something to

915
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,080
say, like it has some things on
its mind.

916
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,320
And the fact that you can, I
love the fact that it is proof

917
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,760
that you can do that.
You can do all of that in, you

918
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,760
know, very mass audience
commercial filming.

919
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,320
And I, I love it.
I just love that.

920
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,320
And it's it's just so well made.
Yeah, I had this is my #2 and

921
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,440
honestly, it'd be interesting in
a year or two to revisit it

922
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,160
again and be like, OK, this
really is the best.

923
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,080
Like it's good.
Like this is Dan Trachtenberg's

924
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,080
first crack at a Predator movie.
He's now done 3.

925
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,160
And it's great to see this
franchise and like just solid

926
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,040
hands that really kind of get
the concept and don't

927
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,880
necessarily feel beholden to
what comes before it, but can

928
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,360
take it a new and interesting
this directions Dakota Beaver

929
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,040
and especially Amber mid
Thunder.

930
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Like they're both stars, like
they should be in more things

931
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:43,000
like it's just incredible here.
It's I know I think I said this

932
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:48,000
in the episode that the new film
being like subtitled Badlands.

933
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,600
To me, this one could have had
that subtitle just because it

934
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,280
evokes like Terrence Malick's
sense of like scope and wonder

935
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,240
in nature at times.
Like it's so beautiful shot.

936
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:06,520
I from start to finish really
enjoyed this movie and re

937
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,280
watching it again for like the
series.

938
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,320
I'm like oh this is this is a
classic Like this is just like a

939
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:18,000
really solid piece of like
sci-fi genre fair.

940
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,800
That's so much fun in it did new
things.

941
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,200
It's what we kind of want.
We, you know, we say what we say

942
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,160
is genre fans that we want, we
want don't want to see the same

943
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,800
thing over and over again.
Although when people do new

944
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,960
things, we're like, not like
that, right?

945
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,960
So well, and and again, what I
like about what Trachtenberg is

946
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,160
doing with his films right now
is like, you know, again, still

947
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,320
keeping that singular thing,
like you can still watch all

948
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,160
these separate, but they all do
complement each other in really

949
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,320
good ways.
Like Badlands benefits from

950
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,120
killer of killers in the way
that like, OK, if you we got a

951
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,600
sneak peek at the Yaoch allure
that people that skipped it are

952
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,160
just now gang.
So you're like, you get that

953
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,200
little added.
But then this movie and like

954
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,040
Prey and Badlands are kind of
like sibling movies to each

955
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,000
other.
Like, you know, like prey is the

956
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,560
coming of age for a young gal
and her version of that coming

957
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,960
of age versus what that same
coming of age is for a guy, for

958
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,680
a young man, but in the form of
a yaocha young man.

959
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,440
You know, I think is very
fascinating.

960
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,440
So they also like kind of
complement each other in a way

961
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,280
that is fun thematically, but
also isn't like beholden to

962
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,840
narratively because they are
completely opposite in that

963
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,800
angle.
You know, like narratively they

964
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,840
couldn't be more different.
But or at least I like time

965
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,480
setting and that kind of stuff
goes.

966
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,600
So I I like, I love where we're
at right now.

967
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,360
The the possibilities are kind
of seamless at the, you know, we

968
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,640
can really do anything with this
franchise right now.

969
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,760
This does feel like the
franchise it's in like the best

970
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,920
possible hands right now for any
of the ones that we've covered,

971
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:03,920
like all the others, even Alien,
which I like Romulus just fine.

972
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,040
It was it was good.
But even that one, I think that

973
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,160
can go in either direction.
Yeah, I think this is in really

974
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,680
good hands right now.
But we did it.

975
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,600
Our long national nightmare is
over.

976
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,600
We we have been put.
This has been a really fun.

977
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Predator season has come to a
conclusion.

978
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,680
It did not last quite as long as
the franchise has been around,

979
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,240
but we're getting there.
You were working on.

980
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,560
It we're getting there.
Well, let's talk a little bit

981
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,320
about where listeners can find
all of us and then what we have

982
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,120
coming up.
So, Alex, why don't you tell

983
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,200
listeners where they can read
your writing and where they can

984
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,240
find you?
So you can read my writing on

985
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,680
Patreon.
It's Alex A Palliucca and that's

986
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,360
PAGLIUCA.
You can find me on Blue Sky

987
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,040
under the same.
I don't I'm on threads and

988
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,960
Instagram under Alex dot
Palyuka, but I don't really use

989
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,960
those nearly as often.
So yeah, it's it's really blue

990
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,360
sky and Patreon would be the
best place to find me.

991
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,960
Yeah, excellent.
Devon, how about yourself?

992
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,360
You can find me at all the usual
places at under score Daddy

993
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,600
Disco on Blue Sky Instagram,
Letterbox.

994
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,280
You can hear me over on Spectre
Cinema Club.

995
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,280
We have new episodes every
Tuesday.

996
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,320
Our theme for November was On
the Hunt and we did an episode

997
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,560
on Predator Badlands.
So you can hear my thoughts over

998
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,640
there.
But going into the new year, I

999
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:41,840
will be doing, I will be deep in
the 28 years Blank franchise or

1000
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,400
28 blank later franchise.
Is that what it's called?

1001
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,240
What, what what do we call this?
Yeah.

1002
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,600
What do we call that franchise
right now, the 28?

1003
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,960
Later.
Yeah, but we'll be covering

1004
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,760
those as well as a Best of 2025
episode over there.

1005
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,280
So new episodes every Tuesday at
Spectre Cinema.

1006
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,040
Oh, and Tainted Love, we've been
on a hiatus, but we have a

1007
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,480
holiday episode for you guys on
Crimson Peak, so make sure you

1008
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,320
guys go and check that out.
It's going to be super fun one.

1009
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,160
Excellent, excellent.
Well, listeners, if you enjoy

1010
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,400
what we've done, here is where
you can find us over on Blue Sky

1011
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,080
and Instagram or at Pod and
Pendulum.

1012
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,280
You can find me at Mike Snoonian
over in Blue Sky.

1013
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,880
I will admit, like I've deleted
a lot of social media off my

1014
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,440
phone just cause like Alex, you
and I were talking about this

1015
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,280
off air.
Like I just feel better when I'm

1016
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,080
not on it.
I'll just leave it at that.

1017
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,200
But you know, we do post over
there.

1018
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,840
You can go to our website,
podandthependulum.com, where all

1019
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,200
of our back episodes are and
make sure to subscribe to us

1020
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,520
wherever you're getting your
podcasts from, whether it's

1021
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,320
Apple, Spotify, Google, YouTube,
wherever you happen to get it.

1022
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,880
And make sure to rate and review
us leaving us five stars and on

1023
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,000
Apple, leaving us like a written
review as well goes a super long

1024
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,000
way to new listeners finding us.
Like it didn't seem like a lot

1025
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,080
of shows posted there wrapped
this year.

1026
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,400
Like I was trying to look to see
where others did and I kind of

1027
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,920
held off as well.
But I want to thank our

1028
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,320
listeners because 2025 was
another year that we grew

1029
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,560
tremendously like which was
really kind of great to see,

1030
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,200
especially as a little in the
show that just kind of keeps

1031
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,360
plugging along.
Like we doubled our listenership

1032
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,280
according to the numbers.
We got some stat where like our

1033
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,960
listeners listen to the amount,
the length of our show, like 97%

1034
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,480
longer than most podcast other
podcasts.

1035
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:52,760
So people TuneIn, I know that
like 2 years ago we only made

1036
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:58,200
like 5 top ten lists and 0
number ones, and now we're like

1037
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:03,960
360 love our listeners are in
their top ten and close to 100

1038
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,280
number ones.
So that is all due to like

1039
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,480
honestly our Co hosts and our
guests, but we thank our

1040
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,520
listeners for continuing to
spread the word.

1041
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:17,680
It definitely it meant a lot to
like be on that many and we have

1042
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,640
a lot of great stuff coming up
like so for the remainder of

1043
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,480
2025 next week being Christmas
week, we're going to have two

1044
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,960
episodes drop one of them.
We're going to unlock one of our

1045
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,960
patron episodes for our typical
Monday, so you get a taste of

1046
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,320
what to get when you become a
patron.

1047
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,360
And you can become one by going
to patreon.com/pod and the

1048
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,360
Pendulum, where for only a
couple bucks a month there's

1049
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,560
close to 80 hours or more at
this point worth of material.

1050
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,360
We're going to unlock one of the
Patreon episodes for next

1051
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,280
Monday, but on Christmas Day we
have a special treat.

1052
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,640
Our annual Christmas movie.
The lovely Nicole Goble has

1053
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:02,400
chosen Eyes Wide Shut, Stanley
Kubrick's last movie, one that

1054
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,280
I've yet to have seen but I'm
already doing the research for

1055
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,400
and it's.
So fun So.

1056
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,720
Fun I I am.
I have it at Sitting at Home in

1057
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,240
on Blu-ray, but it's also
screening at the really nice art

1058
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,640
house theater I like to go to in
Harvard Square.

1059
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,400
Oh yeah, definitely go see.
Theater do that so.

1060
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,080
I think I need to see it on the
big screen 1st and then rewatch

1061
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,520
it on blue.
So that's going to be our

1062
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,920
Christmas movie.
Tom Cruise having an orgy.

1063
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,240
Looking forward to it.
Maybe we'll recreate the orgy

1064
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,560
sequence recording.
And yeah, that's not the last

1065
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,480
time I'm going to make that
joke, but that's coming up.

1066
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:50,640
Then we'll have our top, our
individual top 10s of 2025 and

1067
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,840
then we get into Psycho.
We're going to be kicking off

1068
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:58,280
January 2025 covering Psycho.
It's one of the big ones.

1069
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,080
And what we're going to do is
something a little different.

1070
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,760
It's the first Hitchcock film
we've covered for this show

1071
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,280
because he's not a franchise
director and we are going to

1072
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,200
start with a Hitchcock in the
50s primer.

1073
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,600
Like we're going to talk about
his work in like his most

1074
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,800
probably his most acclaimed
decade and the one where he

1075
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:28,960
released like 11 movies I think
between 1951 and 1959.

1076
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,680
Like he was just cranking him
out.

1077
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,160
He was the anti James Cameron
basically just cranking these

1078
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,440
movies out and they weren't
slopped.

1079
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,600
They're getting like strangers
on a train in Vertigo and Rear

1080
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:47,400
Window and the Wrong Man in
North by Northwest Dial M for

1081
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,080
Murder.
So it's just banger after banger

1082
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,120
what you're getting that decade.
So we're going to just, we may

1083
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,280
have a special guest for that as
well, where they're going to

1084
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,920
talk about like their knowledge
and their insight and what

1085
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,400
Hitchcock means to them.
I am super excited for that.

1086
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,720
So, and on Patreon this month
for December, Brian and I will

1087
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:15,400
be revisiting Back to the Future
Part 2 is our continued coverage

1088
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,600
of that franchise.
And that is it.

1089
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,320
Listeners, we hope you've
enjoyed our ranking episode.

1090
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,800
We hope you've enjoyed our
series on Predator and we got a

1091
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,960
lot of fun stuff coming up. 2026
looks like it's going to be like

1092
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,320
another banner year for us so.
Shall I run down the list real

1093
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,520
quick to yeah, go?
Ahead.

1094
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,360
Because I don't think we did
that.

1095
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,040
To conclude to send us out on
our way from Predator season.

1096
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:49,680
At #9 Alien VS Predator Requiem,
at #8 The Predator, at #7 Alien

1097
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:57,600
VS Predator at #6 Predator 2, at
#5 Predators, at #4 Predator,

1098
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,920
Killer of Killers, at #3
Predator Badlands, at #2

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Predator and at #1 Pray.
Excellent.

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That's quite a, a, a killer list
on and no matter how you slice

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it and dice it.
All right, Alex, thank you again

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for joining us.
We're looking forward to having

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you back on next month.
Thank you so much for having me.

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It's always good to be here.
And Devon, you know, it's always

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a pleasure.
And listeners, thanks.

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We'll be back next week.
We'll be back with an unlocked

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episode and then Eyes Wide Shut.
Take care, everybody.