PSYCHO 3

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Hey there everyone and welcome
to the pod and the Pendulum.

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We are the podcast that covers
all the horror franchises one

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movie and one episode at a time.
As always, I'm your host Mike

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Snooning and I am joined by a
litany of Co hosts and special

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guest.
Today we have enough to rent a

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few cabins at the Bates Motel
for the big football game.

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Up first you know him is Mr.
Chewy Walrus, Mr. Steven

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Foxworthy.
How are we today?

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Doing great, Mike.
My friends call me Chook though,

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so you can call me Chook please.
Absolutely.

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I don't think I will be doing
that because I feel like I would

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accidentally turn it into a slur
and get cancelled.

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Knowing my ways of
mispronouncing things

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accidentally, I don't want to do
that, so I.

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I appreciate the amount of
self-awareness that you've

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managed to to get over the
course of this show, Mike.

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That's really heart warming for
me.

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This is.
Really, my therapy, like this

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show is my Pennant show therapy.
Also joining us from the podcast

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Holy Terrors, as well as the
sights Bloody Disgusting Manor,

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Vellum and others.
Mr. Brian Kuiper, how are we?

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Well, I just got to echo Jeff
Fahey and say watch the guitar.

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Watch the guitar.
Are you going to pull out a

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guitar at some point?
Like when we just just reach.

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Off to the side and pull up.
A guitar used to have my guitars

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in here with me, but I don't
right now.

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Well, listeners in side notes
that are interesting to only us,

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like off mic, we were talking
about no other, no other choice.

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And at one point we talked about
thirst and who's seen it.

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And Brian immediately reached
over and pulled it out like he

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always does.
He just does it again.

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It's kind of, it's really
bizarre.

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It's a superpower at this point.
But also joining us, we have a

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special guest today from over
the pond.

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He's returning.
He has a soft spot for this type

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of movie from Sinister Studios.
Canal How are we?

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It's all good, just pulled up in
my car and the trunk is full of

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different colour light bulbs to
put in my hotel room.

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Love it.
It's like my mood.

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Love it.
Before we begin, Brian, how many

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Confederate flag stickers do you
have on your guitar?

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Valid question.
That will be 0.

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OK, just checking.
That's what I thought the answer

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was going to be.
That's.

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What I was hoping anyway, yeah.
If if you had said seven and the

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South will rise again, it would
have gotten really

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uncomfortable.
It would have been a real short

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episode.
You know what it would have

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been?
It would have been.

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It would have been probably not
knowing us, this would have been

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really awkward.
So Canal, here's my question for

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you, my friend, since you're on
for us for the first time with

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this series.
Like, what is your relationship

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with Like Psycho is a franchise
and what made you want to come

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on for Psycho 3 specifically?
Psycho 3 is actually the first

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one of the franchise that I saw.
Same.

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Not like like I I love this
franchise, like flipping that.

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Like I wouldn't say that like 2
is the wash record.

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I wouldn't say that 3 is
necessarily like the best of the

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franchise, but it might be the
one that I enjoy rewatching the

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most.
Sure.

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I know I saw this when I was a
teenager and I think I what we

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call it, I was familiar with the
soundtrack before I was familiar

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with the with the what we call
like the actual film, because

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this was sampled by UK artist
called Aim on a Cold War Music,

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which was an album I was really
I was really, really into.

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What did they sample from it?
The theme tune that.

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OK.
That thing and like I wasn't

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like the first time I watched
the film.

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I think I was in uni with my
mates and I wasn't even planning

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on watching a film, but I just
heard those like first two notes

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and like I just sat down and
watched the whole thing and I've

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seen the rest of the series
since like and flipping

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obviously, like the first ones,
like very iconic, you know, not

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like it cannot be stressed
enough how iconic Psycho is.

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The second one kind of did the
impossible by like producing a

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great legend legacy sequel to to
a legendary piece of cinema.

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And so I was recall it three.
It might not be on those levels,

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but flippin it's a lot of fun.
It does a lot more than it Poss.

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It'd be very easy for this to
not do enough.

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I'd like it'd be very easy to
make this a film that doesn't

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have anything interesting
happening, and there's

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interesting stuff happening in
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Film one thing I really like
that you said there was you made

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the distinction between what is
like the technically best movie

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in a series and what is like the
personal favorite or sometimes

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like the most were watchable one
to like an individual because

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sometimes like those are two
different things.

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Like you can say yes, like tech
on a technical level.

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You know, Mako is like such a
great achievement and but for

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others, like the kind of bleak
camp that this kind of goes into

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sometimes like has a lot of
appeal to it for certain folks

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and it's like a very watchable
movie.

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It's a very fun movie that also
is well made.

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Like this is not a poorly made
movie by any strange.

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So how about yourself, Steven?
I think you were on the record

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before covering the franchise.
Like on your previous show you

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had said what about the Psycho
sequels?

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You're going to make me relive
this every week.

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OK, I see.
I mean, this is my penance.

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So yes, I made a what I referred
to last week as an ignorant

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statement, which it was, in
which I said, quote, the Psycho

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sequels all suck, which made
both my friend Tucker and my

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friend Brian very angry with me.
And of course I said that

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without having seen any of them.
I was going to ask, how many of

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the sequels had you watched?
None, exactly none.

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I was going off of just vibes.
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Which is a bad thing to do for
me in particular, but I have

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since, as of last week, recanted
that statement as Psycho 2 is,

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quote, good.
Actually, this one I think is

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fine.
I would say less good.

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It felt a bit perfunctory to me.
I'm sure we'll get into all of

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that as we go.
But there is I.

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I'm going to echo Canal.
There is some interesting stuff

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happening here.
Whether or not it is of interest

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to me is a different thing
entirely, but I will consent

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that it is interesting or
concede rather that it is

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interesting.
So I think there's a lot to talk

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about and I'm interest.
I'm looking forward to talking

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about it with you gentlemen.
So there we have that.

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Excellent, excellent.
Brian, I know there's some

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things that are of interest for
you in here, and I'm kind of

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curious, like, would Psycho 3
qualify as a future episode of

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Holy Terror?
No.

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I'm sorry you guys froze up for
a second.

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There.
OK, we'll take that again.

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Edit and we'll take that again.
So, Brian, what I'm interested

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in is like, I know there's going
to be some things here that are

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of interest for you and like,
would this possibly qualify in

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the future for like an episode
of Holy Terror?

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Absolutely.
Yeah, it's probably already on

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the list, but this was also a
movie that Michelle and I

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covered on Movies for Life
because we decided to pick, you

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know, sort of our
underappreciated horror sequels

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episode.
So we covered Friday the 13th

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Part 5A, New Beginning and
Psycho 3 together, and that

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actually made a hell of a double
because they both have that

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similar sort of sleaze to them,
which I think I'm a sucker for

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because boy do I love it.
I will fully admit that both

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Psycho, of course, and Psycho 2
are better films like, you know,

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more important, I suppose this
one is just fun as hell.

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And yeah, I agree with Canal
that this is probably, I've

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watched Psycho, the first one
more than any of the others, but

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this is the one that in recent
years I've probably watched the

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most because it's, I don't know,
I just have a great time with

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this.
I, I, I would, it was because I

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decided to write about it, you
know, five years ago or so for

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its last anniversary.
And it was like, oh man, this

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movie's got some kind of cool
stuff going on technically as

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well as like visually.
So for a first time director

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like Anthony Perkins to kind of
take all of the things that he's

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gleaned from these other film
makers he's worked with and film

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makers he admires clearly and
put them into his psycho.

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I don't know.
I, I love that that he did that.

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I know he didn't get a lot of
opportunities to direct because

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this movie was not successful,
but it's a shame because he has

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kind of an instinct.
I, I would have loved to see him

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direct a movie that he didn't
also have to star in.

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You know, I, I think that he
really could and really could

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have put all his energies into
directing the film.

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I think would have.
I think he could have made

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something really special.
The lighting in particular in

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this and canal you've mentioned,
like the different color light

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bulbs that are loaded in the
back of your the back of the

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trunk for this.
But I think some of the lighting

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here is gorgeous.
And then there are moments like

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there is one moment in
particular when like Jeff Fahey

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is like standing against like
the backdrop of the skyline,

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like list leaning against one of
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where the lighting of his like
eyes, like it's kind of

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reminiscent of like Kim Novak in
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her, the way he lights up.
And I kind of love it.

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Like I love some of the more
giallo ask like red, like deep

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Reds and pinks that you see
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I really enjoy like part of this
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This was one for me.
Like I saw Psycho 3 first as

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well, like similar to Canal.
And it stood.

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I think it was probably like a
time where you're going through

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like the cable TV Guide they
used to send us back in the day,

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like here's everything on for
the next week.

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And what stood out about it was
the cover art.

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The close up of Anthony Perkins
is Norman like dangling the keys

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to a motel room.
And I'm like, I was familiar

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with Psycho.
I think I said on the Psycho

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episode how in 3rd grade I did a
diorama of the climax of Psycho

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where I had Mrs. Bates like
sitting in the chair with like

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figurines, like coming in.
And I definitely got a call home

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from school for that, asking if
I was OK.

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But I hadn't seen the movie at
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It would be years before I'd saw
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But I did watch Psycho 3 and
thought like, it was a lot of

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fun.
A lot of it went right over my

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head, but it's like a kind of
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It really worked.
And to your point, Brian, I

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think that this is a very
rewatchable movie.

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Like this is something that
could see pulling pulling off

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the shelves and seeing where it
lands.

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I think at some point we should
do some drafts where we do, you

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know, what is the best part
three?

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What is the best part for for
like a draft?

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I think we can have a lot of fun
with that, especially given the

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franchises we covered.
I would like to mention really

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quick another key element of
this movie that was kind of put

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into my head probably before.
I'm sure it was before I saw the

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movie.
When I was pretty young, my mom

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took me to this special effects
thing that was up at the Pacific

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Science Center and they had
fresh off the set, I'm sure, the

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corpse of Mrs. Spool in a
rocking chair behind glass and

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it's.
So cool.

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And I still have a picture of
it.

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And so it's just like one of
those moments where young Brian

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was turned into a horror fan.
You know, they also had a, a

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setup of of Ripley in the, the,
you know, the loader, the yellow

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loader thing fighting them,
Queen Alien.

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So yeah, there it was.
It was, that was quite a moment

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for me.
I think I had decided to become

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a special effects artist after
visiting that and so it didn't

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happen.
But you know, hey, kid can

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dream, right?
We all have.

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Wait a minute.
I just want to point out of all

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the things you could have pulled
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you with the picture of like
Mrs. Spool would probably be

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near the top of the list.
And it's like.

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I don't know where it is.
Reached over OK.

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It's put away somewhere in a
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guitars aren't in the.
Room the pictures packed away

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like conveniently, all the
things you could be pulling out

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as props right now are just not
in the room you.

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Are Dwayne, I think is what
we're saying here.

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Well, we're going to talk about
the background, but very briefly

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and listeners a little behind
the scenes, like I have no notes

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today, like usually write these
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for the background and there's
just not a lot to talk about in

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terms of the background for
this.

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Without a net here people.
Go without a net.

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So this could go either way, but
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to is universal.
Like one in a Psycho 3 after

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Psycho 2 was a hit.
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that movie was supposed to go
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They were going to replace
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Walken.
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board, they look, we'll put it
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We really won't give it that
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it in theaters and it ends up on
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clearing more than almost $35
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So of course, by this point
we're in the 80s where sequels

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were much more of a thing.
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83 and 87, there's like 3
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and that that franchise hit in
1984.

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There's three or four more
Friday the 13th.

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We're a year away from Michael
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again.
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Chainsaw Massacre, another film
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ever be a sequel to.
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are a thing.
And if if Psycho 2 is a hit, it

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tends to say that, all right,
we're going to have a Psycho 3.

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And Perkins says, like, I'll
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If so, he has some conditions.
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of he has a bit more of a hand
that he can show because like

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you can't do, you can't recast
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Maybe you could have done it in
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Maybe.
But you definitely can after the

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second one's a hit.
He's like, I will come back if

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you let me direct the movie.
And Universal was like, you know

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what, fine, why not?
Let's let you do it like it

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because they they know like they
want to make this movie.

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Well, that was something he had
wanted to do for two, which we

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mentioned last week, and they
were like, no.

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So I think now that the the
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you said, a little more
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Psycho too, as well.
He'd be, he's really kind of

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kind of hates the the comparison
for very obvious reasons.

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I hates that it's kind of his
defining role.

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And I think Psycho 2 kind of
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role.
And so I think he's a lot more

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willing to step in and and keep
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Towards this time he says that,
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around to the same thing, that
he would much rather be

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remembered for something in his
career than like play a bunch of

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roles that nobody remembers
later on.

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Like he's actually, you know,
this is his legacy.

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And I think you see that like if
you if you get the Screen

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Factory Blu-ray for it, when you
load it up, like the loading

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screen is Norman standing in
front of the bait smoke towel

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like it's a long shot and it's
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And I believe that was taken
from like a Universal Studios

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tour because as he's filming
Cycle 3, like there are tour

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buses going through for
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And he would come out and just
wave and give everybody a

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thrill.
Like he would also get a little

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pissed off, like I'm trying to
make a fucking movie here.

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What's going on.
But every now and then he would

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kind of lean into the experience
and like what a thrill that

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would have been to have like a
young as a young kid to go

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through that tour and have
Norman actually out there

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waving.
Like that would have been the

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only other equivalent I can
think of is like Bruce the shark

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from Jaws coming up during the
Jaws scene and fighting the head

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off of a small child.
Like who's going to be our Alex

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Kitner today?
And then one kid dies and gets

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eaten by a shark.
This is why they don't let me

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design studio tours or really
anything.

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One of many reasons.
Yeah, one of many reasons.

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Other thing would be talent and
lack thereof.

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Ability.
Right ability, ambition.

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Knowledge.
All those things knowledge,

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right?
So many strikes against you

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there.
Now I just feel bad.

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Nah, we love you, Mike.
Well, someone has to do they

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though anyway.
So Perkins signs on quickly is

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like, oh boy, maybe I bit off a
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He does approach Rick Richard
Franklin at some point and says

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like, how do you feel about Co
directing Psycho 3?

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And Richard Franklin says, yeah,
I'm good.

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It's so easy.
He's on now, from what I could

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gather.
Like there is the documentary

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the Psycho Legacy.
They talk about the first 4

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movies and the surviving like
cast and crew all speak very

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positively about Anthony
Perkins.

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Like his style on set, his
ability to get into character

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very quickly and like switch
back and forth between director

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Anthony and character Norman.
And that the crew also like

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really dug him as well.
So that everyone speaks very

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highly of him in terms of like a
leader of men and leader of a

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cast and crew.
But he did feel he, I think

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later on in life he does say
this.

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It was a bit overwhelming to do
both.

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He would have maybe preferred to
direct something first where he

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didn't have to star in it.
This unfortunately is also

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around the time he get, he is
diagnosed as HIV positive, which

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must have been weighing on him.
I think you kind of see a little

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bit of it in the film, like the
four years in between two and

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three.
He does look a bit older and

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worse for wear as well at 1.1 of
the cat that gets Julietta

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Cummins makes a homophobic
comment or joke on set and then

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he almost fires her for it.
So but that's all going on.

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I don't have a lot over, I would
say like Roberta Maxwell, who's

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hired is Tracy the reporter as
the Oh, and the the film is

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written by Charles Edward Pogue,
who has just come off of like

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writing the Fly for David Crow.
Cronenberg, that script was

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getting passed around and he was
considered a hot commodity.

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Now, Pogue doesn't consider
himself a horror person.

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He says his favorite horror
movie is like The Island of Lost

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Souls, which is kind of more of
a sci-fi horror.

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He's much more of a fantasy guy.
Crawl the Conqueror.

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He wrote the Dragon Heart
series, including the first one

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with Bale and McConaughey.
That's all Charles Edward Pogue.

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So he's like very upfront saying
I'm not a huge horror guy, but

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why not?
Like, I I need the work.

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Like he wasn't super established
by then.

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He had written the role of Tracy
as a younger woman.

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And Perkinson's knows she needs
to be older.

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And the reasoning behind it is
Tracy as a character will talk

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about like her motivations are
like, I need to break a story.

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Or I could be on the outs.
Like there's a bit more of

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desperation behind her.
Also, newcomer Jeff Fey,

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probably best known for Lost, is
Frank the pilot, who he's

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amazing in that show.
And here's my question.

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Jeff Fahey strikes me as the
kind of guy that could have had

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a Bill Paxton type of career.
Like, come, come in, play really

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weird, but also be a leading man
when you need it as well, right?

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Well, I mean, he's got his
moments.

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I love body parts.
You ever see that?

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I have not.
Wow, that movie's amazing.

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See here.
So he's he.

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Yeah, I know.
He's just kind of he's he's

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mostly just a character.
Just.

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That's not what I meant.
He's mostly a character actor,

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but I think he's really
memorable in in his roles.

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I love him in this.
I love him in body parts.

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Lawnmower Man.
I think probably derailed some

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things for him.
Sure.

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But you know that that's the way
things go sometimes.

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But I always enjoy seeing him.
He'll pop up in like Kevin

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Costner movies and stuff like
that.

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And it's, it's he's, he's a
good, he's good in the Western,

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you know, So I always dig him
when I see him.

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Yeah, I thought, I think he's
like particularly great in this

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like, because The thing is like
like like a special like The

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thing is like you say we are in
sleazy chat, like like a sleazy

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slasher kind of time period.
Now that's what's popping like.

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But The thing is like with like
the other slashes, like, you

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know, they're just like these
evil serial killers, but like

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flipping, you know, you know,
you know, they're just these

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evil monsters.
But like with Norman being like

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quite a quite a sympathetic
character, there's a tragedy to

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him, you know, flipping, you
know, he's he's not just like an

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embodiment of evil as such, like
flipping kind of makes it, you

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know, it kind of makes it harder
to enjoy a slasher kill when

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it's Norman, unless you have
Jeff Fahey being the biggest

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asshole in the world.
That's a good point.

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Like flipping, you know, So when
it when it's his time, you are

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like, yes, Norman, get it dealt
with.

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Yeah, and they try to hint at
Fahey's Dwayne being the killer,

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like similar to Psycho to is it
actually Norman and Pogue said

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that as initially proposed, like
Dwayne was going to be the

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killer, said it never actually
made it to the written page, but

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like when he was outlining, it
was going to be like Dwayne was

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going to be behind the murders
initially.

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And you could see hints of like
where you can see hints of that

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idea in here.
But Dwayne is a much, much like

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you said, canal, very sleazy,
almost like he's lifted like

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straight from like a De Palma
movie.

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You know, I know that like
Dennis Franz, like they

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discovered him through De Palma.
You almost gonna think like

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Fahey would have been the same.
It almost feels like he's a

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reworking of that of the Dennis
Franz character from 2:00.

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But you know, hey, I since that
character is dead, you need to

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have I love that they brought
someone like him in and I think

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I think that Fahey fits the bill
pretty well.

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Much more attractive than Dennis
France.

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Yeah, and another thing in my
understanding from Charles

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Edward Pogue, the writer, is
that he was pretty much given 1

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mandate and that was fix the
twist, you know, take it back

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and Missus, Missus Spool as
Norman's mother doesn't make a

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lot of sense.
Make it misses Bates again.

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And so he does that, though he
doesn't do it right away.

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It doesn't just erase it.
It takes it goes through the

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process of making it happen,
which I think is good rather

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than it just being forget it,
let's fix it in the first minute

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and then move on.
There's a real, there's a

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character involved working on
it, you know, so that it is sort

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of like wrenching things back
from the second movie.

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But, you know, he had a, he had
a that's a big order.

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That's a tall order to try and
pull off.

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And I think he does pretty well
with it.

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Yeah.
You know, some people may not

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like it, but I actually like
that they switch it back to

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Norma.
It just I don't know.

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It makes more sense.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think I think it's
really good like from in terms

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of what he's doing as a writer
is that that we're on the third

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film of a series called Psycho
and like the still I like a good

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mystery running through the
third one.

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I mean, like the main
characters, Norman Bates, the

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psycho and we've known we've
known he he like a watch recall

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it kills people since quite
early on in the watch recall it

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the first movie, but we've still
managed to have like this sort

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of who done it and why aspects
running through all the films.

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That's hard to do when the
film's called psycho character

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in it, who is the psycho and
people are being killed.

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Because like normally when
people are being killed, your

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first suspect is the serial
killer.

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Usually is that usually stands
to reason.

446
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,400
And a lot of that is Perkins,
like a lot of that is Perkins

447
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,560
elicits so much sympathy from
viewers as well, and he just

448
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,360
knows how to play this
character.

449
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:51,440
And it's a slightly different
it's a much different Norman in

450
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,840
some ways from the first movie.
It's a slightly different Norman

451
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,400
from the second, but you can see
like a straight through line

452
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:05,760
from 60s Psycho to Norman to 19.
It should be 1982.

453
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,920
So 19 is Norman.
Why he is the way he is.

454
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,400
Like, it doesn't ring false.
Like this character is

455
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760
unrecognizable.
And I get into that.

456
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,000
We talk about the movie here.
Unfortunately for Perkins, like

457
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,760
the movie is not a hit.
Psycho 2 comes out.

458
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,200
It's the lowest grossing
theatrically of the series.

459
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,560
It on about like a four or $5
million budget pulls in less

460
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,240
than $15 million total and I
have some ideas as to why, but

461
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,840
I'm interested to hear from you
guys like why is this one such a

462
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,680
come down from Part 2?
I feel like what should we call

463
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,880
it?
Like we mentioned like a lot

464
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,360
earlier on that like there's
interesting things happening in

465
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,720
in it and like like new themes
coming in.

466
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,120
And.
I think a lot of the audience at

467
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:03,040
the time that I've wanted to see
the next Psycho film or a new

468
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,240
franchise horror, weren't ready
for some of the deeper films.

469
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,000
Some of the deeper aspects I
mean.

470
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,080
Like the film literally opens on
a black screen and a blood

471
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,880
curdling scream of a woman
screaming there is no God before

472
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,680
there's even a title card.
That's.

473
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,000
I love that that's that's heavy,
heavy opening to a film.

474
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,560
But people who were like, like,
like they're making like Friday

475
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,160
the 13th, but it's Psycho, like
people come in and see that

476
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760
they're they're going to be like
quite on the back foot from a

477
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,440
very early stage.
So I think like, like, people

478
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,560
weren't ready for a third film
and a franchise to be doing this

479
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,680
much and bringing in, like,
interesting new themes and

480
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,440
discussions.
Like, I think that might have

481
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,840
been a bit much for people who
just wanted to see like, people

482
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,680
getting stabbed in the shower.
Yeah, I think to some extent

483
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,640
there's also this kind of
follows a similar, this

484
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,800
franchise follows kind of a you
guys talked about Back to the

485
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Future 3 the other day, but it
kind of follows a similar trend

486
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,000
to sort of Arc I guess to that
series.

487
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,120
You have sort of an original,
iconic, untouchable, paradigm

488
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,600
shifting kind of movie.
And then the second one gets

489
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440
really, really complicated.
Like almost to the point you

490
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,520
could argue maybe even too
complicated.

491
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,520
And then the third one takes
this, OK, let's make things more

492
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,320
like the first one.
And I think that there's a lot

493
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,160
of callback in this 1 and in
Back to the Future Part 3 to the

494
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,200
first film, there's there's a
sense that, OK, we're settling

495
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,600
down into something that's
familiar even while we're

496
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,720
exploring these other themes and
things that.

497
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360
And I think, but on the surface
for your average film goer,

498
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,320
they're seeing, there's a lot of
stuff in here that's just like

499
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,240
the first movie.
And that is my opinion.

500
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360
I don't know if that is the way
that I mean, I, I know that was

501
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Anthony Perkins opinion that he
felt it was a little too close

502
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,560
to the first movie, but there,
you know, so that could be an

503
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,520
element as to why this movie
didn't do as well.

504
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680
A word of mouth might have said,
you know what, you've kind of

505
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,640
seen this before.
But I kind of reject the notion

506
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,880
because I think there is a lot
more going on thematically in a

507
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,160
different direction from the
original Psycho.

508
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040
But in terms of story, there's a
lot of similarity, yeah.

509
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Fewer trains, though, than Back
to the Future 3 fewer.

510
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Trains.
Locomotives do not play a role

511
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,960
on the climax, just to be clear.
I've always been of the

512
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,520
impression that a movie's box or
a sequels box office is a direct

513
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,320
response to the film that came
out before it.

514
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,320
Yeah.
So I think in a lot of ways

515
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,560
Psycho 2 is it does very well
because Psycho is a big hit and

516
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360
people like, what are they going
to do with this after so many

517
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640
years away from the franchise?
How are we going to where is

518
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,000
Norman?
Where do we find him?

519
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,520
And then whether or not response
to that one was super great or

520
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160
not, we we really enjoyed it
when we talked about it last

521
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
week.
But you know, people in the 80s

522
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,320
may not have.
And so this made I mean it.

523
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,360
Was my recollection.
I'm looking at the box office

524
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,560
right now.
It opens at #8 behind 7 movies

525
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,480
that have been out for at least
at minimum two weeks.

526
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Like they're in their second
weekend.

527
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,120
So like it opens behind Karate
Kid Part 2, Ruthless People,

528
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Back to School, Top Gun, Legal
Eagles, Running Scared, and

529
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,400
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, which
itself has been out for four

530
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,640
weeks.
So I mean, it's, it's and Psycho

531
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,000
3 is the highest rated new
release of the week at #8 And

532
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,040
then behind that you've got
another a bunch of other new

533
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680
releases like The Great Mouse
Detective, Big Trouble in Little

534
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,600
China and Princess Under the
Cherry Moon.

535
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,000
What a time to go to the mice.
Yeah.

536
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,560
We used to be a proper country.
Yeah, I mean, and to be fair,

537
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,640
was a time when, you know, the
the there wasn't a 45 day

538
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,640
theatrical window and feeling
like, wow, that's a long time.

539
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,520
It was like movies would run for
months, if not a year, if it was

540
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,440
very successful.
And it would be typically a

541
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,840
solid like 9 months to a year
before it would come out on on

542
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,720
VHS or cable.
And I think that might be part

543
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,960
of it as well.
And I know that when it came to

544
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Halloween 5, like the Akkads
felt that a the quick turn

545
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,880
around heard it.
But I'll having Halloween 4 on

546
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,720
VHS like right when Halloween 5
was coming out hurt the movie

547
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
like a lot of folks are now like
I'll just wait for it to come

548
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,280
out and watch it at home like
I'll rent it.

549
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,720
I think to your point, both of
your points, like there is like

550
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,240
a curiosity factor about Psycho
2 that you're like, like, I

551
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,440
don't know if this is going to
be good, but I have to see this.

552
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,640
I have to see how they're going
to follow this up.

553
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,960
And once you have that, whether
you're good, bad or indifferent.

554
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,680
And I know like, Roger Ebert
gave Psycho 2A thumbs down, but

555
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Psycho 3A thumbs up, like he
enjoyed that one a lot more,

556
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,880
which is odd because the things
that Psycho 3 has more of are

557
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,000
things that Ebert typically
hated.

558
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,240
There's a lot more, It's a lot
more alert.

559
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,160
It's a lot more violent.
I guess Ebert Ebert does love

560
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,760
boobs.
So I think maybe I was.

561
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Going to say that there's a lot
to do with it there.

562
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,200
Yeah, Because, I mean, there was
no bigger fan of Russ Meyer than

563
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,800
Roger Ebert.
But I think also the fact that

564
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,760
Psycho 2 is more riffing on the
slashers of the day, which

565
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Ebert, generally speaking, did
not enjoy, versus this, which is

566
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,000
riffing on some other things and
doing some different things

567
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,120
cinematically that I think he's
gonna be more drawn in by, like

568
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,400
the Coen brothers homages and
things like that.

569
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,920
So I feel like there's a little
more here to titillate than

570
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,560
there was in Psycho 2,
personally.

571
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,080
Well, let's start there then,
because that is like something

572
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,400
that came up when looking at the
background.

573
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,360
It's like the movie that Perkins
would show the cast when he was

574
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,000
considering them.
Like he's Fahey said he sat down

575
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,520
and and like showed me blood
simple from the Coen brothers,

576
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,600
which is 1 I have not seen yet.
Like that's I've got a lot of

577
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,000
Coen brother blind spots myself.
And you know, Steven, you're

578
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,440
giving me the the a dirty look
right now.

579
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,120
What?
That's one to fill.

580
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,840
That's one that you like.
Yeah, it is.

581
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,480
I think I own it too.
I think I actually own it and

582
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000
just need to like, sit down and
watch it.

583
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:45,199
What about Blood simple would
have like called to Perkins and

584
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,280
where do you see like the
influence here?

585
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,800
Like, I mean, certainly the
soundtrack, it's a Carter

586
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,440
Burwell or bow.
Yeah, exactly.

587
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,720
That's the biggest one.
Blood Simple's like it's, it's,

588
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,040
it's really sweaty, tactile
film.

589
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,720
Like there's a lot to the
aesthetics that you can that you

590
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,400
can taste like and, and like so
much that film.

591
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,960
It's the kind of film where
like, like, like and like

592
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,720
flipping like huge sections of
Blood Simple are just two people

593
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,280
with 10 with, with some kind of
issue between them, some kind of

594
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,080
tension.
And like it's a kind of slow

595
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,640
burn where you're as on your
edge of the seat as you would be

596
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:36,600
if there's like visible peril.
Unlike I, I think what you call

597
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,240
it a lot of like that way of
building suspense, what you call

598
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,960
it happens a lot in in this as
opposed to like the more sort of

599
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,280
Hitchcockian bomb under the
table suspense, like flipping.

600
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Like a notable moment, I think
particularly is the ice, The

601
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,640
ice, that moment like flipping.
Where there's yeah, there's dark

602
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,920
humour going on underneath the
surface of it as well.

603
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:09,240
Yeah, for me, it's it's there's
some very clear visual cues that

604
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,760
absolutely that Perkins latched
onto, including what you're

605
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,360
talking about the lighting.
There's a lot of that sort of

606
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,200
purple, pinkish and then the
greens that are just flooding

607
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,480
the screen.
That's very much the look of

608
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,120
Blood Simple.
It's got sort of shallow esque

609
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,440
like you mentioned.
Also the transitions, the cones

610
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600
are great with transitions and
they do that starting in Blood

611
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Simple.
They carry it on.

612
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,320
You see it in Fargo too.
There's there's one where they

613
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,000
focus on the TV that's in the
diner and then it pulls over and

614
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,800
nor and that we're in Normans
parlor now and in his room and

615
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,200
he's watching the same show, you
know, and that that's

616
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,200
transitioning like that.
There's also one where where

617
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,320
they show the light under the
door of the.

618
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,120
Yeah, just the light shining
into the door.

619
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,320
Then it goes to the edge of the
knife.

620
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Those kinds of transitions are
right out of Cohen's playbook,

621
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,600
especially in those early ones.
Particularly I would say Blood

622
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,800
Simple Fargo does a lot of, you
know, this idea of someone's

623
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,880
looking up at a fan and then you
cut to the fan and then you cut

624
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,720
to another person looking at the
fan and it's and it's in a

625
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,560
different spot.
And the part where he walks

626
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,440
where Norman walks down the hall
out of the hospital room, right

627
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,880
in the mother's room.
That's another kind of thing

628
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,160
like that.
So there are a lot of things

629
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,440
like that that strike me as
right out of of blood Simple

630
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,160
playbook.
And also even just the, the

631
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,160
setting, they make it look blood
simple as sagebrush and rolling

632
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,240
tumbleweeds in Texas.
And here he does that in the

633
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,200
opening shot of the motel.
Right.

634
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,200
You have all the dust flying and
the sage brush and the tumble

635
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,520
weeds right there.
Yeah.

636
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
There's a lot of that sort of
feel.

637
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,800
And then when she's just walking
through the desert, I mean, away

638
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,520
from the nunnery, I mean,
obviously the shot of the

639
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,360
nunnery is like right out of
Vertigo.

640
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,560
And then you.
Yes.

641
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,040
I was also getting a lot of
omens from that shot as well.

642
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,960
It's all, it's all for you,
Damien kind of shit when she's

643
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,800
when she's like out on the ledge
there.

644
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
But yeah, yeah.
And I mean, the rain motif is

645
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,720
one that the Cohens I think used
in Blood Simple as well.

646
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,240
And it feels like there's so
much.

647
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,520
Rain.
Yeah, right.

648
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,760
Yeah.
Just so much rain in this movie,

649
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,800
more than we've gotten in any
Psycho movie which is separate,

650
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,240
diverse, where the.
I was going to say absolutely

651
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,640
right for the next day, you
know, right, But right, I love

652
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,920
that it's like this torrential
downpour than the next morning.

653
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,400
Everything.
Everything is completely dry.

654
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,800
Well, that's the desert, Brian.
The sun comes out in the desert

655
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,640
and it dries everything.
Out I guess I don't know how

656
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,200
weather works.
Haven't you ever heard the Itsy

657
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,000
Bitsy Spider, Brian?
I mean, as a music teacher, have

658
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,200
you not?
Heard the spider, yeah.

659
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,560
So all the things you mentioned,
Brian, are all things like

660
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,840
mentally I made a note of like
especially the lighting under

661
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,280
the door to the Knife's Edge in
particular, and the transition

662
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,240
from the bar television to the
bedroom television.

663
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:07,360
I'm like, that is wonderful.
So it's funny that you're like,

664
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,880
Oh yeah, that was right from the
Coen Brothers.

665
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,600
I'm like, I thought Perkins
maybe had the juice, but.

666
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,880
Well, you know, The thing is
it's he was he like, you know, a

667
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,920
lot of film makers of his of
that time year to Palmas and

668
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,920
others.
He's he saw a filmmaker that he

669
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,360
really likes and he's sort of
doing a similar thing to what

670
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,320
they do, but you know, in his
through his own sensibility as

671
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,400
well.
Yeah, right.

672
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,800
I think it's not like they're
similar, but they're not like

673
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,960
the same.
I think some of them I'm like, I

674
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,840
didn't even, I'm like, I can't
even figure out how we did that.

675
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,280
Sure, in some cases.
So it's pretty cool.

676
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,280
I think like what we call it
like there's, there's definitely

677
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,240
like elements of environmental
storytelling to it.

678
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,160
Like, like I mentioned, like the
coloured light bulbs earlier,

679
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,720
like, like the thing that like
thing that I, I was sort of like

680
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,160
really looking at today was Jeff
Fahey's room.

681
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,720
Because if, if, if you were to
just give a quick glance at you

682
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,320
think, Oh yeah, he's just like
he's got beer everywhere.

683
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,920
He's just trashed his hotel
room.

684
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,240
Like if yeah, if you really look
at it, you realise it tells you

685
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,080
a lot about Jeff, a character,
because he's put a lot of effort

686
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,000
into making it look like that
with all the cut out pictures of

687
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,160
women in that and like putting
things on lamps to create like

688
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,960
shadow effects.
You know, that's not something

689
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,640
that's been that that's that's a
diegetic really like like he's

690
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,680
like actually like sat in his
root, like, like designing crazy

691
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,280
lighting in his room that he
what we call is trying to bring

692
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,240
women back to like.
So so there's something about

693
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,880
like the whole element of
controlling this environment

694
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,640
that appears chaotic.
Like, you know, there's a you

695
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,840
know, it's sort of like says
there's something going on under

696
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,600
the hood.
You know, he's not just Dennis

697
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,080
friends.
Like, I just want a bit of

698
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,360
money.
Yeah, test.

699
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Yeah, you know.
Well, the those deep Reds follow

700
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Fahey's character Dwayne.
Like when you first see him

701
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,480
enter the bar and he's going to
approach Mary and kind of work

702
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,680
his charming her.
Like the way that whole part of

703
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,280
the bar is lit is that like deep
red lighting?

704
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,120
And he's in that background and
you just get that sense.

705
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,360
Like he's a character that
emanates danger from that kind

706
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,720
of lighting, a much different
sort of danger than Norman is.

707
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,360
When you watch, there's almost
something vampiric about the

708
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,880
character because when you see
him during the daytime hours, he

709
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,160
comes off as like much more
aloof, a lot softer.

710
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,600
He actually apologizes to he
apologizes to Mary in the bar.

711
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,280
I said when he purchased Mary
most is Tracy in the bar.

712
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,040
He apologized to her.
Sorry about the night before.

713
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,160
I don't know what's going on.
Look, I'm just if you want a

714
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,040
roomie and get a room and at
night time he gets a lot more

715
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,640
feral and a lot meaner and like
that side of him comes out.

716
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,120
It's almost like there's a
transition there.

717
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,160
I really love that about how the
character is portrayed.

718
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,320
You can tell in the way that
Perkins kind of films Fahey that

719
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,280
there's probably some measure of
attraction there for Perkins.

720
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,240
I mean that it feels like the
camera really loves Fahey.

721
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,240
Look at him in this.
He's gorgeous.

722
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,440
My, my point exactly.
I think Perkins I, I saw an

723
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,040
interview with Oz Perkins after
I watched this movie and Oz is

724
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,720
saying, you know, my, my dad had
a real problem with being

725
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,320
authentic with me.
And then I sit down and I watch

726
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,840
Psycho 3 and I see Jeff Fahey
and all of a sudden IA lot of

727
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
things started to make sense to
me and my father seemed much

728
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,240
more authentic in the way that
he shot Fahey than he did just

729
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,640
with me in everyday life.
So I mean, you can definitely

730
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,800
tell, particularly in the later
scenes.

731
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,080
You know, we Fahey also in this
gives us a new position for the

732
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,120
orgy guy with the with the
lighting guy sitting in the

733
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,040
corner with the lighting, with
the gels over the lamps, kind of

734
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,600
strategically holding one over
his crotch the whole time.

735
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,840
Yeah.
And when he's shirtless and

736
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,160
those final scenes, you get that
kind of like, yeah, I think

737
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Perkins is definitely attracted
to this guy.

738
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,440
Yeah, that that that scene with
the with the purple light in

739
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,400
like like a lot of people like
just look at it through the AT

740
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,480
slasher lens to dismiss it as
like a random tit scene.

741
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,760
That's the scene for the
bisexuals.

742
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Yes, very much so.
Like flipping like Fahey with

743
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,520
his, what we call it, with the
chest air out holding 2 separate

744
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,200
lamps that he's put purple bulbs
in that he's brought with him in

745
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,360
in his room.
Like sort of doing the whole

746
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,520
sort of like lighting dance with
the woman in their life and the

747
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,480
fact that it's purple.
You know, we're in the early

748
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,720
days of Joel Schumacher lighting
and all.

749
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,880
Like, like, like, yeah, you
know, the, the there was some,

750
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,120
but there was some very queer
bisexual coding to that scene.

751
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

752
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,560
And like, I think that's quite
interesting because that feels

753
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,040
like, like the studio said,
yeah, we need it.

754
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,800
We definitely need a tit scene
in this.

755
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,000
I know I watched the corn let's
they had to have like something

756
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,000
kind of sleazy going on because
they've got this kind of purity

757
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,440
with the character that we're
going to see in in the shower.

758
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,640
So.
Right.

759
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,120
I think there's also a well,
like Fahey was supposed to

760
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,800
apparently be nude for that
scene and they he like wasn't

761
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,800
comfortable with it.
So that's why we have like the

762
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,960
strategic lamp placement there.
But no, I definitely agree.

763
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,920
And also like I get a lot of
like his room kind of gives me

764
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,000
Miami Vice vibes.
I don't know if that kind of

765
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,320
hits for anyone else, just in
terms of, I think again, the

766
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,040
luridness, the lighting, it
being kind of the mid to late

767
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,120
80s where.
One of the things that occurred

768
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,640
to me was in After Hours,
there's a scene where he's

769
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880
riding in the cab and they're
all these cut outs of women on

770
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,240
the pasted onto the cab.
And there's sort of a similar

771
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,760
sort of for the night sequences
at least sort of a similar look

772
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:24,880
to After Hours in this as well
where there's a green lighting

773
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,200
and stuff.
Yeah, like going back to what

774
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,320
you said about flipping him
being vampiric, it does feel

775
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,880
like his rooms like a layer,
isn't it?

776
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,840
Like, And that's what he's at
his most powerful when he's in

777
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,400
this environment that he can
control because like normally

778
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,000
he's this guy living out his car
and he's just sort of trying to

779
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,120
get by and trying to find a job
rather than for when he's got

780
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,520
this space that he can control
and he can control what happens

781
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,160
in it.
You know, what should we call

782
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,720
it?
That's when, like the real

783
00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:00,600
darkness in him can come out.
You see in that scene too, like

784
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,840
when Norman confronts Dwayne at
the end, some of the hoses that

785
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,400
they have Fahey and they're
almost like Brundle fly.

786
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Like the thing that came up
right away.

787
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,560
I'm like, that looks like
Goldblum and the fly right

788
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,080
there.
And he's also like he's

789
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,520
shirtless and sweaty.
There's just something much more

790
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,240
feral about him.
I'm glad they didn't go the

791
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,760
route.
Like when it's revealed he's the

792
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,960
person that moved Mother out to
save like Norman skin.

793
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,520
I'm glad that the twist is more
I just want money because I'm

794
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,840
broke, not I'm like your long
lost cousin or cuz there's like

795
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,120
a a line that's dropped in the
movie at one point like oh,

796
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,280
Missus Spool said she had a son
at some point but no one ever

797
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,440
saw him.
And I'm like, don't say this is

798
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,000
going to be another son.
Your little brother or your

799
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,160
little cousin?
Yeah.

800
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,760
So I thought.
That's where we were going at

801
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,160
one point, and I'm glad we
didn't go there.

802
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Yeah.
Brian, to your point about like

803
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,960
the way the motel is first shot,
like when you see the

804
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,520
tumbleweeds and the sense of
isolation, I think like that's

805
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,560
one of the thing this film does
really well is that it does feel

806
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,240
like the characters that are
drawn to it, like Norman is the

807
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:22,240
caretaker, Maureen, Diana
Scarwit is Maureen Fahey's

808
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,200
Dwayne.
There are all these characters

809
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,720
that are drawn to this place,
and it's almost like you can

810
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:32,160
never escape it.
It's just it's an isolated

811
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,800
setting, completely apart from
the rest of the world.

812
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,640
And it's going to draw in these
severely damaged characters that

813
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,040
only the Bates Motel can really
house them.

814
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,880
And I love that about kind of
the way this film sets up that

815
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,280
idea.
Yeah, you could even see that as

816
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:57,120
a motif with Mary and Crane in
the first film as she you can

817
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,760
check out any time you'd like,
but you could never leave to

818
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,120
quote another California
reference there.

819
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,040
Please never.
Quote the Eagles on her.

820
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,920
I hate the fucking Eagles, man.
I hate the Eagles.

821
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,920
That's that's yeah.
Speaking of the Coen brothers,

822
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,720
every time an Eagles song comes
on, I have to quote the dude.

823
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,520
But anyway.
It's the only correct opinion

824
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,600
about the Eagles.
Fuck the Eagles.

825
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,960
This is just a side thing.
Every time there's a news story

826
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,800
about the eagles consequence on
posts, a picture of the dude

827
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,640
sitting at the bar looking
annoyed.

828
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,000
It's a.
It's a anyway just.

829
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,520
Like like I think that's a bit,
it's come back that we didn't

830
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,080
see so much in the in the second
one because like this idea

831
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,920
about, about this like the motel
being like this place for like

832
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,560
broken people, like like kind of
like a limbo for people with

833
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,440
nowhere else to go.
Like, you know, it's kind of

834
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:11,040
like the taxidermy sort of like,
I think there was like it was

835
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,880
kind of touched on in the first
one, not so much in the second

836
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,960
one.
And the taxidermy kind of like

837
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,920
comes back a bit in the third
one.

838
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,320
This whole idea of like the
maintenance, the upkeep, the

839
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,680
taking care of something that
can never go anywhere, like,

840
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,400
yeah.
In a sense, it's almost like a

841
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,880
purgatory.
Yep, right.

842
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,560
It's a, it's a place of limbo.
You know, it's not quite hell,

843
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,480
but.
Yeah.

844
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,360
Well, it's, you know, it's a
lateral move.

845
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,840
It's where it's where the it's
where the penance occurs, you

846
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,360
know?
Anyway, that's, that's something

847
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,320
for my show.
Holland for the second one, like

848
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Holland and Franklin both said
like they made a deliberate

849
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,160
choice to move the action away
from the hotel and center it

850
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,800
much more on the House.
And it's not stated, but it does

851
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,600
feel like there's a much more
deliberate attempt to like

852
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,840
center the the motel a bit more
in this one in terms of how we

853
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,520
how we see it.
You mentioned the taxidermy

854
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,000
canal, like some of the things I
really like in terms of like how

855
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:21,480
Norman is reintroduced.
As you see how he slipped, you

856
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,720
see how he is slipped because a,
he's deliberately poisoning the

857
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,360
birds in order to get more
specimens.

858
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:34,400
And then as he's stuffing them,
he uses the same spoon that he's

859
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,040
filling these birds crevices
with, with sawdust to take a

860
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,080
nice scoop of GIF and spread it
on some peanut butter crackers.

861
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,760
Again, Peter Pan.
Peter Pan.

862
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,320
Oh, it's Peter Pan.
My bad.

863
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,880
Peter Pan, which is even more
sort of, you know, underlies the

864
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,200
theme.
I think that's a great.

865
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,960
Point.
So I was just going to say like

866
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,960
he's eating peanut butter
crackers, like he's eating

867
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,800
children, like he's eating
children's food.

868
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Again like that is like Norman,
this is perpetual 12 year old.

869
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Yeah, a lot like you've got to
be on your PS and QS with like

870
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,160
health and safety when you're
doing taxidermy.

871
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,200
Like don't if you've heard of
him, chap called Jack Devaney

872
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,320
very good follow on Instagram
and all that.

873
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,600
Like flipping spoke to him a few
times like a Comedy Festival I

874
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,360
was doing.
He's a guy who does he describes

875
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:30,920
what he does as bad taxidermy.
He does like he does like makes

876
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,200
pencil cases out of like dead
rats and that there's a lot of

877
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,360
pencils sharpener in the asshole
so you can stick the pencil up

878
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,000
the bottom.
Wow, Yeah, yeah, Jack Devaney,

879
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,680
like on Instagram, he's whirled
around you but you like a sheep

880
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:53,040
EWE but and yeah, he he makes
surreal things with like what

881
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,040
we've got.
He doesn't kill animals, but he

882
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:02,040
he, he obtains what we call it
the corpses of animals to make

883
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:07,320
things with and like like
through likes following him.

884
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,040
I know that like you, you, you
are, you really have got to be

885
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,200
on your PS and QS in terms of
health and safety if you're

886
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,600
dealing with animal material.
Right.

887
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,600
Like just carry disease.
I mean they just that's the

888
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,360
thing.
If they just carry all these

889
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,560
germs and disease.
And poison if you poison them

890
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,520
yourself.
Right, which he's clearly done.

891
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,600
Yeah, I love that.
You clearly, like in the second

892
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:40,960
film, Norman was trying to hang
on to his sanity by the Thinnest

893
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,680
Threads.
And when you start this movie,

894
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,280
like he's clearly it's clearly
hasn't gone well.

895
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,280
Like he's clearly gone back to
being mentally unwell.

896
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,400
But what I like about this is he
like, he seems to realize it and

897
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,880
is doing more of a job trying to
cover his tracks in this movie,

898
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,240
not just with like the murders,
which he believes are being

899
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:07,520
committed by mother, but just
himself in general trying to.

900
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,680
He knows he's not right, so
therefore he's going to keep

901
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,600
everybody away as much as he
can.

902
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,840
I said like the tax, the
taxidermy of something that,

903
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,320
that you've killed.
There's this, there's this part

904
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,400
of them which which compels him
to like take lives, but that,

905
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,280
you know, but like there's this
other part of him that what we

906
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,720
call it like hates himself for
doing it and wants to and wants

907
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:39,520
to repair the damage he's done.
So he, he, he's got this like

908
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,000
permanent torment.
So there's like this, this

909
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,000
constant like, you know, even
though he might not be aware of

910
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,480
some of the things he's doing,
like, like, like, I think on

911
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,960
some level he does because he,
he's carrying the guilt of it.

912
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,560
Like, and like, that's where we
sort of come back to like the

913
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,000
sort of religious themes which
we haven't really talked about

914
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,200
yet because like, like, like
lapse Catholic guilt is like top

915
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,320
five guilts.
It's like one of the best guilts

916
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,720
ever.
They're they're flipping lapse

917
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,920
Catholics.
They are about the guilt life.

918
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:18,320
They love a bit of guilt and
like, unlike what should it

919
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,200
like?
So if you're having like, we

920
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,400
haven't even mentioned the
opening sequence, the opening

921
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,840
sequence of a lapsed Catholic
nun accidentally being

922
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:34,720
responsible for the death of an
innocent person and then having

923
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,280
to live with that, that's that's
like that's like about 3 of the

924
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,240
top five guilts.
And it zips through that

925
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,600
opening.
See, like canal you pointed out,

926
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,800
like the way it opens with her
just screaming there is no God.

927
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,160
Like that is what is injured.
You're settled into your seat,

928
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,800
you've got your popcorn, you're
ready for Psycho 3.

929
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,240
And some woman is screaming
there is no God into a blank, a

930
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,280
black void.
And you're like, what did I just

931
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,040
walk into here?
Right?

932
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,680
Decide the idea of not just
guilt but repression like

933
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,320
repressing desire, repressing
your identity like hiding

934
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,720
getting it from the world out of
the sense of guilt like

935
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:19,520
permeates this and this I you
know you mentioned like briefly

936
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,680
touched on Vertigo.
You see like Maureen like her

937
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,600
initials are MC and in some ways
like Norman is trying to

938
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,680
recreate Marian Crane like
whether he sees her dress.

939
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,840
He's like I think you would look
great in that like his

940
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,080
conservative look will never go
out of style.

941
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,280
He's trying to recreate Marian
in some ways in order to maybe

942
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,760
save this person rather than
kill this person as an act of

943
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,880
penance and maybe forgiveness
for what he had done 22 years

944
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,800
ago.
Yeah, I got to say, keeping with

945
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,120
the religious themes, I love the
twist on the shower scene where

946
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,280
they get there, where, you know,
Norman gets there and she's

947
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,360
already slashed her wrist and
she thinks she sees the Virgin

948
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,640
Mary is like, that's pretty
subversive stuff there.

949
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,760
But then my gosh, that priest
psychologist is terrible.

950
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,800
Just like, you know, your, your
suicide's a sin.

951
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,400
No, no, no, no, no.
You know, it's like, come on,

952
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,440
man, a little bit of compassion
would be nice to.

953
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,160
Meet this woman where she is and
recognize and validate the fact

954
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,560
that she's feeling the way she's
feeling for a reason.

955
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,800
Yeah, this, this line of this
line of inquiry is probably what

956
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,480
put her there in the first
place.

957
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,720
There's a there's sort of this
line, this dichotomy drawn

958
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:45,440
between the institutional church
and people who actually are

959
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,960
compassionate.
I, I think that is something

960
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,880
that comes up a lot in, you
know, a lot of movies like this,

961
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,080
you know, where the, where
there's a religious theme is the

962
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,600
difference between the two,
where there's the purse, the

963
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,080
people who actually live out
what the church supposedly

964
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,160
believes, and then the
institutional element that is

965
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,800
filled with hypocrisy and
condemnation.

966
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,840
I mean, that's in all kinds of
things, you know, from this to,

967
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,240
you know, the Shawshank
Redemption to all kinds of

968
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,600
things.
So, but I, I do, these are the

969
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,080
kinds of things that I frankly,
it's part of the reason why I

970
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,480
started the Holy Terrors podcast
is because I like, you know,

971
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,880
delving into this kind of stuff.
And I think it's really

972
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:34,080
fascinating to discuss those,
those kinds of tensions as

973
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,560
they're explored in horror.
So, and this is a good example

974
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,640
of that, But I mean, it doesn't,
I don't know that this movie

975
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,720
clobbers you over the head with
it the way that my mom do

976
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,480
because it because it it it also
knows it's a sleazy slasher

977
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,360
movie on some level too.
And I feel like maybe I'm wrong,

978
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,120
but my recollection is telling
me that they were sort of

979
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,680
mandated to gore it up a little
bit.

980
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,240
That is true.
That is like something that and,

981
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:12,120
and PO like Pogue talks about it
in like the commentary where he

982
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,360
says like the scenes that he and
Perkins were least comfortable

983
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,560
with were some of the kill
scenes, like how gory they are,

984
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,960
which is odd because honestly, I
think they're very well

985
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,600
executed.
Like those scenes are really

986
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,040
well done.
And we'll talk about those

987
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,520
shortly.
But he said in particular, like

988
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,360
before he wrote the script, he
was sitting down with the head

989
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,520
of Universal Studios, Frank
Price.

990
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,960
And he was like, well, we should
probably do something where a

991
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,320
person's like never been like
really killed there before.

992
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,400
And Price like was the person
who suggested, well, what about

993
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,720
a toilet?
Like, what about when they're

994
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,440
going to the bathroom and Pogue
immediately ran with it?

995
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,840
He's like, that's kind of a
great idea because you're so

996
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,720
vulnerable.
Like, your pants are around your

997
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,960
ankles, so even if you're naked,
you can still run.

998
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,840
But if you try to get off the
toilet and your pants are around

999
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,520
your ankles, you're going to
face plant right away.

1000
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,880
I mean, who among us hasn't done
that before, right?

1001
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,840
Apparently he hadn't seen Friday
the 13th 5 yet though, right?

1002
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,480
Damn.
Enchiladas.

1003
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Well also I I love how the
bathroom.

1004
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Becomes, though that's different
from the.

1005
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,080
Toilet it is different than a
toilet we'll.

1006
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,160
Distinguish between them.
With with this movie and it's

1007
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,400
this this particular bathroom
scene, this becomes now a

1008
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,960
recurring motif in these films.
There is a bathroom scene in

1009
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,840
every cycle movie up to this
point.

1010
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,280
It it becomes a recurring motif
and I, I kind of dig it for

1011
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,280
that.
In that you.

1012
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,000
Yeah, we're continuing to play,
find new ways to play with this

1013
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,320
idea of killing in the bathroom.
Yeah.

1014
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,880
There are other ways that we can
do it here.

1015
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,200
Let's show you some of them.
Throw it slashed on the toilet.

1016
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,200
Why not?
Yeah, I mean, like, it is such a

1017
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,000
good subversion that Norman
Bates dresses mother, goes into,

1018
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:11,920
goes into a bathroom.
And save someone like that,

1019
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,840
that's, that's amazing.
And it's someone who like, like

1020
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,960
you mentioned the terrible pre
psychologist that should have

1021
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,920
been who, who, who was like
helping her when she needed it.

1022
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,680
And the person who does help her
is the person who's coming to

1023
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:32,680
kill her and like, and, and, and
it has like such a profound

1024
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,360
impact because like later on
when they're like sort of going

1025
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,640
on the date, like Norman's
having a conversation with his

1026
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:46,040
mother about going on the date.
And like, it's the first time

1027
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,640
she's not answering back and
saying, like, stay away from

1028
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,360
those women.
They're whores.

1029
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,960
Like.
And, you know, it's, you almost

1030
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,080
feel that the, the, the part of
Norman's brain that's like the

1031
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:04,560
voice of his mother, like
actually kind of approves and

1032
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,960
like, like, like you do get that
feeling that like what we call

1033
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:17,520
it, like there's genuinely, you
know, a way to salvation from.

1034
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,840
Yeah, if not approves, at least
it's like fading or receding

1035
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,000
into the background a little bit
that he is.

1036
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,440
You know, when we talk about the
first film, like there's the

1037
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,520
psychiatry scene at the end
where he says Norman is never

1038
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,480
fully Norman.
Like Norma is always there.

1039
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,400
And you can feel that maybe for
the first time, like Norma is

1040
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,840
starting to recede a little bit.
And, you know, like, Brian, you

1041
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,680
mentioned like institutional
religion versus empathy on an

1042
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,480
individual level, which you see
here, like with Norma and with

1043
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,960
Maureen.
I'm sorry Norman and Maureen,

1044
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:01,720
you see 2 characters that can
that are deeply flawed, very

1045
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:07,160
tragic and very hurt.
People that can save one

1046
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,080
another, or at the very least
like bring out the better parts

1047
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,760
of one another.
Yes, exactly.

1048
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,280
And I, I think that's one of the
things that, you know, I really

1049
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,040
love about this movie.
I mean, like they sort of the

1050
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,120
way they sort of awkwardly fall
into bed together in that one

1051
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,800
sequence and neither of them
really know what they're doing.

1052
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:33,040
And it's it's it's.
It's like two teenagers or

1053
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,560
preteens like fumbling around
and it makes.

1054
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:40,680
Sense for the characters and
it's just so wonderfully done

1055
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,120
and again it just brings me back
to wishing that Perkins had had

1056
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,800
more opportunities to make a
movie where he could explore

1057
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,440
some of those kinds of things
because I think he would have

1058
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,280
been able to do that in some
really profound ways beyond, you

1059
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,280
know outside of the psycho.
It's not a prison because he's

1060
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,200
able to explore quite a lot of
interesting things in this

1061
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,640
movie.
But but it's a limitation, I

1062
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,280
think, you know, because you
have to bring it back to the

1063
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,200
mystery and back to the to the
central conceit that, you know,

1064
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,120
Norman is a killer and who
thinks he's his mother, you

1065
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,720
know, from time to time.
But yeah, there there's there's

1066
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:21,000
some real tenderness in that
relationship between Marine and

1067
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,400
and Norman that I think is some
of the best acting that Perkins

1068
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,200
gives in this movie.
You could.

1069
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,680
I've always felt the performance
of Norman in this movie is just

1070
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,880
a little bit stilted compared to
the other two because he's got

1071
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,760
so much on his mind as a
director.

1072
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,240
It's not a bad performance, but
I think it's not as it doesn't

1073
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:49,480
feel as comfortable as as fully,
I guess embodied as the as the

1074
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,640
first two.
Sure.

1075
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:52,600
But.
Definitely agree.

1076
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,000
But there are moments where it's
like it.

1077
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:02,040
It might be his best performance
as Norman in in certain moments.

1078
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,160
And I think that scene, the
sequences where he and Maureen

1079
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,600
are together and it's sort of
into this new territory where

1080
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,040
Norman has never been or that
we've seen or we haven't at

1081
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:18,600
least we haven't seen Norman in
this place is some of the most

1082
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,680
interesting stuff he ever did as
Norman.

1083
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,160
So those are some of the things
that really stand out to me.

1084
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:29,360
I also like his performance,
like when he plays up against, I

1085
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,880
think it's Hugh Dillon as like
the sheriff.

1086
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:37,160
And his scenes with Maxwell is
Tracy because you see like the

1087
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,000
kind of scared rabbit side of
him, like when he confronts

1088
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,880
Tracy on the stairwell to his
home, like when he sees her

1089
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,760
going up.
And like there are, you know, at

1090
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,480
that point, obviously a call
back to like Vera Miles is Lila

1091
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,840
in Part 1, like breaking into
the breaking into the Bates home

1092
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,960
and like discovering his secret.
Like, you can see his panic

1093
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,400
that's going to happen again.
And when the sheriff and the

1094
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,280
deputy like, come into his home
with a warrant, like that sense

1095
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,840
of like panic, but also being
like indignant as well that

1096
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,440
like, oh, there's been a murder.
So you immediately focus on me

1097
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,600
like I've done nothing, which we
know that he has, but he's

1098
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,960
scared in that moment as well,
but also offended, if that makes

1099
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,040
sense.
Like the sort of like what else

1100
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,520
do I have to do to prove to you
that I'm OK even though he's

1101
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,800
clearly not?
Like so more would be the

1102
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,320
answer, but.
I also think it's very

1103
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,160
interesting just, again, given
Perkins's own struggles with his

1104
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,480
queer identity, that repression
is such a huge part of this

1105
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,760
film.
Absolutely.

1106
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,720
And, and looking, you know, into
his relationship with his own

1107
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:53,400
homosexuality, bisexuality, and
the people that were in his life

1108
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,520
that were trying to convince him
that that was something that he

1109
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:00,200
could overcome and do away with.
This notion that someone turns

1110
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,080
to the church because of these
carnal desires that they have,

1111
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,720
like Maureen does, I think is a
very interesting through line

1112
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,120
for this film.
And that I think culminates very

1113
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,960
interestingly in the same you
guys were referencing earlier

1114
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,560
when they kind of awkwardly are
fumbling with each other.

1115
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,600
And he eventually kind of just
freezes up and says, I, I can't

1116
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,360
do this.
And and kind of leaves like

1117
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,240
there's this again, this, this
idea of I'm, I'm repressing

1118
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,280
these urges and desires that I
have within myself as as a way

1119
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,320
of for for Norman, pleasing this
mother for Marine, it would be

1120
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,160
pleasing God or the institution
of the church, these things that

1121
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,680
keep us from living as our
authentic selves, which I find

1122
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,840
is a very, again, meta textual,
fascinating meta textual element

1123
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,480
to this film.
That is.

1124
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,160
Yeah, I don't know, Just I think
for me it's probably one of the

1125
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,160
more interesting elements of
this movie as a whole.

1126
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,120
I mean, the Catholic Church in
particular was the refuge for,

1127
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,120
like, a lot of, like, closeted
gay men to become priests.

1128
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,760
You know, like we've seen this
was not a thing that was like

1129
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,560
widely known at the time, but
we've seen in the past 20 years,

1130
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,560
like how many children were
abused by priests at the time

1131
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,960
as.
Mark Ruffalo said they knew.

1132
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,760
Yeah, they knew.
So, you know, they, the church

1133
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,080
knew.
But I'm not saying Anthony

1134
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,160
Perkins did at the time.
But I think it's.

1135
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,840
Kind of interesting to be kind
of ahead of the curb.

1136
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,520
And you know, that's because
like so many of those men were

1137
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,760
told like you can't live as your
authentic self.

1138
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,280
And they figured, well, this is
a way that I can like suppress

1139
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,320
or maybe even like kill off that
part of myself.

1140
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,280
And is, as we know, like a much
different degree.

1141
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,400
I talk about this in my own
career with people that are

1142
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,880
anxious or angry.
You need, you can't do that.

1143
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,440
Like there's only so much air
you can put in a balloon before

1144
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,200
it pops.
Like there's only so many times

1145
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,760
you can stuff down those urges
or desires without letting them

1146
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,840
out that eventually they're
going to come out.

1147
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,480
And they're going to come out in
ways that are much more damaging

1148
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,760
and much more harmful than if
you're just allowed to be

1149
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,240
yourself, which everybody
deserves the right to be their

1150
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,320
authentic self with the caveat,
as long as you're not hurting

1151
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,800
other people.
And that's where Norman misses

1152
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,279
the mark, I think, as a
character, as he can't do that

1153
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,560
without hurting people.
Right, so let's talk about those

1154
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,560
kills.
Let's talk about the people he

1155
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,399
hurts here, because I you know,
we talked in the second movie.

1156
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:32,560
They they mentioned how well we
had to like ramp up the violence

1157
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,840
to get with the times and it
looks ridiculous.

1158
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,880
I love Psycho too, but the dummy
of Vera Miles getting stabbed

1159
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,319
through the mouth is that's.
Amazing.

1160
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,520
The effects are not.
That great, the effects here are

1161
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,319
fantastic and that that phone
booth kill.

1162
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,640
The phone booth kill is like,
awesome.

1163
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,160
Yeah, it's like, awesome.
And frankly, it's a it's very

1164
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,479
much like the shower scene, and
it's a lot of quick cuts and

1165
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,240
it's you don't see that much.
You think you see more than you

1166
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,600
see.
There's more blood than in the

1167
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,160
shower scene, but otherwise a.
Lot more nipple too.

1168
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,000
Yeah.
Correct, That's true.

1169
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,920
That's true.
But he's he's definitely drawing

1170
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,200
on, you know, Hitchcock for, for
the, for the phone booth kill.

1171
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,560
Agree.
And it just you get the IT feels

1172
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,120
almost like the Palma esque
though where it's a lot more

1173
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,080
lured.
The violence is ramped up.

1174
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:34,399
There's the nudity, like the
absolutely unnecessary nudity

1175
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:38,479
right beforehand where she like
comes out of her shirt twice

1176
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,880
like once in the door frame
getting dressed and then another

1177
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,720
time like Oh my shirts on inside
out.

1178
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,800
Although what I like about that
moment is how it like

1179
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,240
incapacitates her and doesn't
give her the ability to really

1180
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,160
kind of struggle or resist back
because she's like tied up in

1181
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,600
the arms of the armholes
basically.

1182
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,080
And then the blood, you don't
get the blood going down the

1183
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,720
shower drain to your point,
Brian, but the blood dripping

1184
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,760
off like the phone receiver.
The phone, it's a really great

1185
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,080
touch.
The blood too looks like

1186
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,000
something out of a Verhoeven
movie too.

1187
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,520
It's like thick and very
viscerally red.

1188
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,360
It doesn't look a thing like
real blood.

1189
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,840
It's very stylized, which I
thought again, I dig a stylized

1190
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,480
blood drip for sure.
Yeah, Philippine, what you call

1191
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:24,560
that?
I definitely think you're right

1192
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,880
with the Palmer.
And like we mentioned it a few

1193
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:32,360
times with like Jalo, like, like
there's, there's real style to

1194
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,280
it.
And I feel like, you know,

1195
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,880
there's that sort of like
evolving through line of what

1196
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,240
Hitchcock did to what got picked
up on by the Jello sort of

1197
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:48,160
movement to how that was sort of
brought into the 70s and 80s

1198
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,880
American aesthetic by De Palma.
I think there's a big through

1199
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,600
line there that that like you
can see all of that coming

1200
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,600
through.
Yeah, if you watch like early

1201
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,760
Bava especially, you know, Black
Sunday, Black Sabbath and

1202
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,600
mention those because I I did
commentaries on them.

1203
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,320
So I I really keyed into this.
You can really see.

1204
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,360
Yeah, I know you can really see
the Hitchcock influence on those

1205
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,200
though.
If you if especially I think I

1206
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,240
think Black Sabbath, there's a
one of the sequences in there is

1207
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,720
like, wow, you know, it's
there's so much of Vertigo.

1208
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,320
There's so much of psycho in
this little one room drama that

1209
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,000
carries out in this in this
thing.

1210
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,320
So and then Baba carrying that
into like, you know, they have

1211
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,480
blood and stuff.
You can you can see how that you

1212
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,040
know that and the creation of
Jala.

1213
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,440
Those movies are they're they're
the beginning, you know, blood

1214
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:51,440
and black lace, but they are a
carrying on of what Hitchcock

1215
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:55,240
did with the then highly
saturating the color and the

1216
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,080
look that Bava brought to it and
then carried on by Argento and

1217
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,200
others.
And you can see all of that sort

1218
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:09,080
of intermingling back in on
itself through the lens of the

1219
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,600
Coen brothers, I guess into
Anthony Perkins and Psycho 3.

1220
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,640
And I really dig that about
this.

1221
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,760
Great.
I one thing you see here is like

1222
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:25,400
the hotel is, I don't want to
say it's thriving, but it's much

1223
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,640
busier than like the second
movie.

1224
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,560
It's not even open.
Like they're going to reopen the

1225
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,920
hotel.
But there's the idea that like

1226
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,920
this place is, and we talked
about it feeling isolated, but

1227
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,320
you are getting customers here.
And there's a part of me that

1228
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:45,520
wonders, like, would people go
to the Bates Motel specifically

1229
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,840
because of the history of the
motel, especially like at the

1230
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,520
time this was shot, which is in
the 80s.

1231
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,560
And there's this, I could have
gone in this direction either

1232
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,680
here or in the future where the
Bates Motel becomes a sort of

1233
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,800
perverse tourist destination
because of the history.

1234
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,720
There were these murders in the
60s.

1235
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,520
And is that Psycho house?
Psycho House, and this is my

1236
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,440
understanding of that.
That's what this book is about.

1237
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,320
This is the third Robert Block a
Psycho book.

1238
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,680
Now, did you buy that
specifically because you thought

1239
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,880
I might make this point and you
could whip it out?

1240
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,720
No, I've, I've had this book
for, you know, 2025.

1241
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,240
You whipped it out last week
too, Mike.

1242
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,560
If.
You're yeah, I did, I did.

1243
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,840
I did.
So this I've, I've, I've had

1244
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,800
this book for, you know, 30
years, but it.

1245
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,640
Remains unread.
I I might have read it, I don't

1246
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,800
remember for sure.
That's fine, doesn't look too

1247
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,200
cracked there, Brian is.
All I'm saying, well, I mean, Oh

1248
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,240
yeah, you're probably right.
Well.

1249
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,840
I think poke.
Is the reader Sorry, I don't

1250
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,080
read as much as I would.
Like, no judgement, Brian, no

1251
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,520
judgement at all, you read.
That's the important thing.

1252
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,240
Pogue said in the in the lead up
to Psycho 3's release, he and

1253
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,040
Perkins were asked like, do you
want to come back and write and

1254
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,000
direct another one?
They universal thought like they

1255
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,160
were going to have a hit and
Hulk Hogan Perkins talked about

1256
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,960
a take where like Norman breaks
out of the asylum with a patient

1257
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,680
that's mute.
The asylum burns down and he

1258
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,560
gets up, going back to the motel
and it's been bought by a guy

1259
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,840
that is kind of running it as
like a sideshow for this type of

1260
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,200
thing.
And he hires Norman to basically

1261
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,440
play himself as like the Norman
Bates of the to manage it and

1262
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:36,480
like there's idea there.
So I was thinking that idea, and

1263
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,720
then Pogue mentioned that I'm
like, yeah, that could be a lot

1264
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,520
of fun, this idea that we see a
little in Part 2, like teens are

1265
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,280
breaking into the motel to have
sex.

1266
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,720
And you're exactly.
Yeah.

1267
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,720
I think it's from from just a,
you know, a story standpoint,

1268
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,040
though.
There's also the fact that we

1269
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,280
haven't seen that in the other
movies.

1270
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,320
We haven't seen the hotel with
guests.

1271
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,560
It's kind of like in bringing
Friday the 13th back a lot.

1272
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,640
It's kind of seeing kids at the
camp in Part 6, you know, we

1273
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,880
haven't seen that before.
So let's do something like that.

1274
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,600
And I like that they're doing
that because I mean, obviously

1275
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,680
sometimes, I mean, in order for
this place to stay in business,

1276
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,560
somebody's got to be in there
sometimes, right?

1277
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,240
So that, you know, don't die and
and don't pay, right?

1278
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,880
You know Marian Crane didn't pay
for her stay because she didn't

1279
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,920
make it to check out time, but
right A.

1280
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,160
Big pile of money.
Yeah, he didn't know about it.

1281
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,280
That's one of my favorite Mac
guffins saying the Hitchcock.

1282
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,360
Movie I thought you paid up
front I.

1283
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,800
Don't I don't think he.
Yeah, I don't.

1284
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,520
I don't.
Yeah, I don't remember her.

1285
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,560
Crane wasn't using her credit
card.

1286
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,160
Yeah, I don't remember her being
charged OK before.

1287
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:55,320
Beforehand I have a, but then
then I have.

1288
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,800
A letterbox list and I have a
letterbox list that like people

1289
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,200
that take taxis and don't pay
and Psycho 3 is on that list

1290
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,160
because at one point Norman gets
out of a taxi and doesn't pay

1291
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:12,120
so.
There is one bit where he's

1292
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,000
called out for nearly walking
out of the diner without paying

1293
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,320
now.
Right.

1294
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,480
Well, and that's, you know, Lee
Garlington returning from to

1295
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:25,200
play Myrna from from Psycho too.
She was also in the Seinfeld

1296
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,320
pilot as well as as a waitress.
So Lee Garlington, one of the

1297
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,200
all time great waitresses.
Yeah, calls him out for that.

1298
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,040
I just, I just didn't get a
chance to call out Lee

1299
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,160
Garlington last week, so I
wanted to rectify that today.

1300
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,080
I guess like you don't need
money if you never pay for

1301
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,400
anything I guess, right?
But apparently Norman has a lot

1302
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,720
of it because, you know,
thriving business and all.

1303
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,480
Yeah.
Like maybe he's.

1304
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:52,800
Played the market like all that
time in the asylum he's like

1305
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,120
maybe I'll invest in this thing
called IBM.

1306
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,760
What is that all about personal
computers.

1307
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,080
That's the way and he comes out
a millionaire could be there you

1308
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,240
go just a a cut plot thread from
psycho to that we never I like

1309
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:06,840
this.
Theory.

1310
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,120
I want to talk about the end of
this movie.

1311
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,760
I want to talk about the last
act because I do think it with

1312
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,600
with a caveat like 1 reshot part
of it that I don't like.

1313
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,800
I do love this idea of like
Norman finally being free and

1314
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,800
you have the see after he
accidentally kills after he

1315
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,840
actually accidentally kills Mary
Maureen when she comes to him.

1316
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,280
This idea that like these two
can never be together, they're

1317
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,920
they're beyond redemption.
And it's the voice of mother

1318
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,320
that once again cuts in.
You get the Great Arbor Gas

1319
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,720
moment of the Great with the
fall down the stairs, and you

1320
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,200
get Chekhov's Arrow with the
Cupid arrow.

1321
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,000
We finally see someone die on
that Cupid statue.

1322
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,640
But it's.
Waiting for 20 damn years.

1323
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,120
But the idea that like, Nope,
this is this kind of love will

1324
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,040
actually kill you like it is an
actual doomed love.

1325
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,360
There's a little bit of
symbolism there as well, but

1326
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,240
when you see other blackly
humorous fits, like when Norman

1327
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,560
dressed, his mother is going up
the stairs after Tracy.

1328
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,680
As he's going up the stairs, he
like straightens the photograph

1329
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:13,400
out.
That's crooked.

1330
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,480
That was a really nice.
Love that love that and for the

1331
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:22,240
first time seeing mother's voice
come out of Anthony Perkins

1332
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:27,960
mouth is so I love that moment.
I think that is just really

1333
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:28,640
great stuff.
It's.

1334
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,360
Disturbing.
It's probably the most

1335
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,280
disturbing moment in the whole
film because they're, I mean,

1336
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,440
it's not him doing the voice.
There's obviously other voice

1337
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:38,920
actors doing it, but it's way
it's queued up.

1338
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:43,880
It's like just it's freaky.
It's great, but ultimately, like

1339
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:48,560
Norman, not only like killing
mother, but as he's doing, he's

1340
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,840
like stripping off the layers
her of her as he's doing it and

1341
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,040
saying like he's he's Riddick.
You don't think I have the guts

1342
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,600
and he like it's the only time
you really see the knife go like

1343
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,440
super deep into a body as well
here when he's like finally

1344
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,920
riding her.
I kind of felt Tracy should have

1345
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,640
been murdered as well, but
that's neither here nor there.

1346
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,160
I guess because she has a pretty
large hand and driving Norman

1347
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,200
over the precipice as well
throughout this movie.

1348
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,600
It's one thing that what we call
it like, like, like I say, I

1349
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,840
watched this film a lot.
I saw it when I was quite young.

1350
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,160
It was only like when I watched
it a few years ago when I

1351
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,280
realized, hang on, the body is
desecrating.

1352
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,320
At the end.
We know that's not his mother.

1353
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,640
He's just desecrating a body.
After all these years of

1354
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,920
taxidermy, he's just desecrated
a body that is not his mother.

1355
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,280
But but it's all symbolic.
I mean, again, I said this last

1356
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,600
episode, more movies should end
with old women getting hit over

1357
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,720
the head with the shovel, and
this is not quite the same

1358
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,520
thing.
But you know, it'll suffice in a

1359
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:55,560
pinch.
Lateral move.

1360
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,640
Lateral move.
On my old podcast as we little

1361
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,280
sort of break between the ads.
I had that what should we call

1362
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,400
it that the shovel shot from
Psycho 2.

1363
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,520
But I like edited the Netflix to
doom noise over.

1364
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:15,920
It oh love for that.
My podcast isn't probably going

1365
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,280
to restart, so if anyone wants
to nick it, it's there.

1366
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,320
It's a good idea.
But I was going to say we should

1367
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,680
get that in as part of our
soundboard.

1368
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,400
I think this this idea that like
as he's getting let out by the

1369
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,840
sheriff, like why did you do it?
Like you're going to be locked

1370
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,520
up for the rest of your life in
in Norman saying, but I'll be

1371
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,360
free.
And I think that's such a

1372
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,680
wonderful sentiment.
It's a beautiful sentiment that

1373
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,120
less than 30 seconds later they
completely undercut and.

1374
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,160
Really undermine it.
Yeah, yeah, that's.

1375
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,000
But that's that's what horror
movies in the 80s do.

1376
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,640
I mean, it's just like every
like movie that I can think of

1377
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,720
that is a great.
You think of Nightmare and Elm

1378
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:00,480
Street, Nancy overcame this and
then never mind.

1379
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,840
And then, you know, Jason's
alive and you know, Michael is

1380
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,560
gone.
At every movie undercuts its

1381
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,080
point in the 80s.
I feel it's just the way it was.

1382
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,400
Yeah, because we need to keep
making more of these.

1383
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,000
Again, they thought they had a
hit on their hands.

1384
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,520
So we've got to bring Norman
back.

1385
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,040
We've got to have him, you know,
do more killings and more

1386
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,360
murders.
So yeah, we've got to completely

1387
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,240
undercut that.
And then again, of course,

1388
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,320
continue to call back to the
first movie with that, you know,

1389
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,920
the the ending with the creepy
smile, which we're going to, you

1390
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,120
know, do some funky lighting
things with and make it look

1391
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,640
really cool.
And I think you can do that

1392
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:42,440
without having her, having him
take out her hand and stroke it

1393
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,600
like I think you could do.
You could end the movie on that.

1394
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,880
It would work very, very well.
It would give you that touch of

1395
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:54,000
ambiguity, that feeling of like,
OK, even if he's rid of Norma,

1396
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,920
is he really free?
Is he free of himself?

1397
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,760
And it believe the original
ending to the film was like when

1398
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,600
the wagon drives off the camera
then pans back up through the

1399
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:12,080
window of the Bates home, and
it's just like the chair empty,

1400
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,800
rocking in the breeze a little
bit.

1401
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,080
And that's where it answered.
I think it's like a really

1402
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,520
powerful ending.
And it kind of.

1403
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,760
Makes much better ending the.
Same suggestion at the end that

1404
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:25,280
Norm is not truly truly gone.
Without being so flippingly

1405
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,440
obvious and also raising the
question, did anybody frisk

1406
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,440
Norman when they read him his
rights?

1407
01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:36,160
Like there is some sloppy police
work that's going on there.

1408
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,560
Oh, really?
Fairvale Fairvale work really

1409
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,920
sloppy.
Fairvale Police Force is not

1410
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,520
known for their thoroughness.
Correct?

1411
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,400
If there's anything that we've
learned from these 3 movies,

1412
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,880
it's that.
I mean, like, what do you call

1413
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,320
that?
At one point the sheriff's got

1414
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,400
the blood of the victim in his
mouth and he doesn't notice.

1415
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,440
Right.
I love that moment too, and I

1416
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:02,480
know Canelo touched on.
Just another scene.

1417
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:03,920
I think that.
Humor.

1418
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,120
Yeah.
For me, that was the scene that,

1419
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:10,680
you know, sort of clinched it
for me when I first saw this was

1420
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,920
that was the ice.
I, I think that is one of it's

1421
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,360
so funny and it's so dark and
it's, it's ghoulish in a, in the

1422
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,280
best possible way.
I think that is it was.

1423
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,600
It's like a stroke of brilliance
between the screenwriter and the

1424
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,840
director for that.
And it it also, it's like at

1425
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,840
that moment, like the first
movie where when Crane's car

1426
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:39,560
stops sinking into the bog and
then it starts again and you

1427
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:43,320
kind of like do a little
internal cheer, like, oh, thank

1428
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,160
God he's going to get away with
it.

1429
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,480
It's the same thing here.
And it makes you as an audience

1430
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:53,280
member confront the fact that
like you're kind of Norman's

1431
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:57,640
side in all of these movies.
And it's not something like the

1432
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:02,080
Elm Street movies where, you
know, it takes a few films for

1433
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,920
that to happen.
And like, it takes like a

1434
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,600
dramatic shift and Freddie's
character where all of a sudden

1435
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,480
he's the Don Rickles of slasher
killers.

1436
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:14,920
Like just giving all these one
liners and you're like, that's

1437
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,560
my boy.
You know, like my daughter.

1438
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,240
I think I mentioned this when we
did Elm Street 4.

1439
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,960
She was like, oh, that's
vacation Freddie.

1440
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,000
When he pulls out the shades and
you're like, yeah, that's

1441
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,040
vacation Freddie here.
It's like you're always on

1442
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,680
Norman's side.
There's this like softness to

1443
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,000
him and this sense of like, real
doom.

1444
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,520
Like you were just born in a
tough spot, brother.

1445
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,880
You had no other choice, that
you always root for him.

1446
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:45,720
And I think the ice moment here
when the, when the lid closes,

1447
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,760
you're like, that's when you
know, like, all right, I know

1448
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,480
where my bread is buttered.
Yeah, because, like I say, like

1449
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:57,960
flipping the thing that makes
like, like, like Norman really

1450
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,120
work as a character.
It's worked really well in all

1451
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,040
three of these movies.
But, well, I mean, the first

1452
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,520
one, it's the revelation.
But in the second one as well,

1453
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,360
it's like you feel like there's
at least a path for Norman to

1454
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,120
get away from all this, but not
in the motel.

1455
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,320
You feel there's a path.
There's a way out.

1456
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,840
Yeah.
Like, you know, in this one,

1457
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,680
it's like through that
relationship.

1458
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:26,640
Yeah, Robert Loja, great at
selling orange juice, not so

1459
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:31,320
good at recommending where his
former patients should work and

1460
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,000
avoid their trauma.
So.

1461
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,120
Your mother's right.
And we we know what this movie

1462
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,800
is truly missing is Robert Loja.
Yeah.

1463
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,000
Yeah, all right.
Anything else?

1464
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,920
Friends I think we got.
It fine explain explain my love

1465
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,480
for this.
But sometimes the heart wants

1466
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:53,680
what the heart wants, and what
my heart wants is Psycho 3.

1467
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,520
I love this movie, inexplicably.
As I was watching this, I like

1468
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,720
about probably 20-30 minutes and
I was like, I get this makes a

1469
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,360
lot of sense why Brian digs this
movie.

1470
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,800
Like I just, I, it connected for
me, like it didn't like the

1471
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,240
movie didn't connect with me
like I was hoping it would.

1472
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,360
I thought it was fine.
Like not as good as, as the

1473
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,240
first two films, but you know,
passable, serviceable as a

1474
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,680
psycho sequel, if not
unnecessary with all the, the

1475
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,120
callbacks and retcons and things
like that.

1476
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,640
I, I wasn't a fan of that, those
elements.

1477
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,880
But again, there's there's
enough things that are

1478
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,400
fascinating with regard to the
the meta commentary and and

1479
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,760
Perkins, his relationship with
religion, his own sexuality,

1480
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,200
things like that.
That really kind of piqued my

1481
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:38,080
interest.
But.

1482
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,240
Yeah.
But yeah, it's fine.

1483
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,920
I I'm, I'm not, This is, I don't
know if I'll watch this one

1484
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,120
again unless I need to, you
know, do another psycho watch

1485
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,080
through or something.
But.

1486
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,200
Yeah, I think you're gonna
surprise yourself.

1487
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,560
Yeah, yeah, this is it.
Like, was it?

1488
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,480
Was it like a first watch for
you?

1489
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,880
Yeah.
Because it was, because this is

1490
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,680
it.
Like I think like, like the rest

1491
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,080
of us could all testify that
this is a film that like, it

1492
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,400
stays with you.
Like admittedly you're dealing

1493
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,040
with like 2 Stone cold all time
classics beforehand.

1494
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,360
Like, you know, if you're going
to show someone a film, you're

1495
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,000
more likely to reach for one of
them.

1496
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:22,520
But like flipping like this film
like scratches an itch.

1497
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,280
Like, you know, sometimes I'm
not ready to sit down and watch

1498
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,680
Hitchcock.
Sometimes, you know, flipping, I

1499
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,960
don't feel like like the level
of invested I have to be to get

1500
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,760
the most out of Psycho two.
Well, I can I, I can enjoy

1501
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,840
Psycho 3 anytime.
Normally when I'm saying that

1502
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,160
about film, it's just it's got
loads of gnarly kills in it and

1503
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,160
it's there's always going to be
something fun on screen.

1504
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,560
This is one that I think manages
to do like some quite instant

1505
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,000
stuff, cover some quite
interesting meta textual stuff

1506
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,680
like you said and be a good
watch.

1507
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,120
But it all gets ripped on the
following year because this is

1508
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,480
1986.
Isn't it 1987?

1509
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,880
No, this is 8687 is when we get
the the TV pilot based motel.

1510
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,320
Hotel OK with blood?
Court and Lori Petty.

1511
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,920
Which we will.
Which I still haven't seen.

1512
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,600
I think it's on YouTube.
It is a. 100% on YouTube.

1513
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,920
I found it today.
Yeah, it's what we call it.

1514
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,640
It's a it's, it's got quite a
Scooby-doo energy to it.

1515
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Yeah.
Kind of excited, not going to

1516
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,040
lie.
Yeah, and Norman Bates isn't in

1517
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,160
it.
He's what you recall it sort of

1518
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:38,240
announced as dead very early on.
It's not even that.

1519
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,320
It's it's much closer to.
Like.

1520
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,400
Like, like, like the pilot for
like, sort of like Bates Motel,

1521
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,880
Scooby-doo.
Well.

1522
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,680
That is the other week.
I could see if it went into a

1523
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,080
series, which because it was a
pilot, I think it was going to

1524
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,120
be a series.
I think it'd be all like every

1525
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:02,240
week someone a new, a new guest
were doing something weird,

1526
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,840
turned up at the motel.
It would have kind of been like

1527
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,280
the Freddy's Nightmares
television show and the Friday

1528
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:13,040
the 13th television show where
like the front of the 13th

1529
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,960
television show.
There's not there's no Jason.

1530
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,080
It's they run an antique store
and they're getting cursed

1531
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,240
objects back.
It's a lot of fun.

1532
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:26,160
It's like great 80s and some
incredible gore for like in East

1533
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,320
television show as well.
And then Freddie's Nightmares,

1534
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:33,360
which does not hold up, like
Freddie is more like the Crypt

1535
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,720
Keeper or Alfred Hitchcock and
Alfred Hitchcock Presents.

1536
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,640
And it's these weird kind of
surreal.

1537
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,080
That's usually 2 segments that
are sort of related.

1538
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,880
And the second one, from what I
remember, tends to be way more

1539
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,240
surreal than the first.
But it would have been kind of

1540
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,200
like that.
It would have been a focus on

1541
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,320
the hotel itself I guess, but
will.

1542
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,080
Freddy's nightmare is in.
It's really bad.

1543
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,160
I was so excited when it was
streaming because I watched them

1544
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:06,240
all as a kid and then I'm like,
yeah that's right, 8th graders

1545
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,720
are really stupid and have bad
taste and that's when I watched

1546
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,480
it.
Though my understanding is that

1547
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:15,440
the Friday the 13th series is
actually really good.

1548
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:18,400
I enjoy that a lot, especially
the first two seasons.

1549
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,760
The third season, they replace
one of the leads.

1550
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:26,480
I will say that Roby, who's the
female lead, definitely a sexual

1551
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:29,160
awakening for a lot of people at
that time.

1552
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,000
Like, she is something else.
I think she's like a Duchess

1553
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,320
now, if I remember.
So good for her.

1554
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,240
Yeah.
And then you had, like, Jack Mar

1555
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,400
Shack, Jack of all trades, like
master of disguise, just like

1556
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:46,640
Roly, Poly dude who was like a
warlock slash magician slash

1557
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,160
antique dealer.
I really enjoyed that show.

1558
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,960
But that's neither here nor
there.

1559
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:53,720
All right?
What is here?

1560
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,480
They're there is where we can
find all of us in Canal.

1561
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:59,520
What's going on with Sinister
Cinema and what else are you

1562
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,880
working on right now?
Where can folks find you?

1563
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:06,960
Since the Cinema studios dot R
is my blue sky handle and also

1564
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,600
my link tree which I need to
update, I'm doing visuals.

1565
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,200
I've got various little projects
on the go.

1566
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:17,400
When I try to do my own little
edits at the time, I do the

1567
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:22,240
video editing for like a big,
big Resident Evil year for me at

1568
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:27,080
the minute, because I do, I do
the video edit for what we call

1569
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,840
a podcast called First Aid
Spray.

1570
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,200
If you're interested in Resident
Evil, check that out.

1571
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,800
And the new games come in.
So I've got to record all the

1572
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,040
footage of all my all my games
and stuff.

1573
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,520
And I'm trying to do it so it
can be posted on YouTube.

1574
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,720
So at the minute I'm going
through intense Resident Evil

1575
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,640
training to sort of do it
without bloody headshots, so

1576
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,480
that's interesting.
Now, you said you're not excited

1577
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:55,480
for the Zach Cragger movie at
all, though.

1578
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:01,720
No, I thought weapon stinks.
Wow, OK, like that is a hot

1579
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,400
take.
That is.

1580
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,440
Yeah, I think he came up with
the memes 1st and then just

1581
01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:08,320
tried to like, stick a film
around it.

1582
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,040
I think he's a good director and
a terrible writer.

1583
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:18,800
Flipping like might be able to
get away with original IP, but

1584
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,840
like the fact that he was like
announced as like being on the

1585
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,240
projects and had a completed
script the next week.

1586
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,680
I don't think you can like I
don't think you can turn around

1587
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,200
something that's good because
apparently it's a new origin

1588
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,760
story for the series and
apparently it's got new

1589
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,760
characters.
So like, if you don't have

1590
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:42,000
original characters and it's not
this origin of the thing, what

1591
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,640
is it?
Is it what you recall that a

1592
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,120
script you already had re badged
with some Resident Evil Easter

1593
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,560
eggs?
I think it will be, But yeah.

1594
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,000
Yeah.
Other than that, did some

1595
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,800
accident.
What you recall?

1596
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,000
We had a screening last week and
I believe there's one in

1597
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,640
Liverpool next week.
So I played Peter Seraphinowitz,

1598
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,120
henchman in what you call it a
film called Bando.

1599
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,200
So who knows what's happening
with that.

1600
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,480
So if you're in Liverpool, you
can see me on the big screen.

1601
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,440
I'm probably sitting in the
audience.

1602
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,880
What else am I doing?
I do loads of stuff just for

1603
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:22,000
Instagram canal dot LAR canal
dot and blue sky since to cinema

1604
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:26,200
studios dot R.
If I'm doing something, I'll say

1605
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,960
I'll say it there.
If you if you want to see some

1606
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:35,160
hilarious taxidermy follow world
around you EWE on what you

1607
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:40,000
recall Instagram just for vibes.
Wrap pencils cases with

1608
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,440
sharpness for assholes.
So we have not done the Resident

1609
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:49,240
Evil franchise yet and that
Blu-ray collection is just

1610
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,080
sitting there. 6 movies, 32
bucks.

1611
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,800
Got your wheel pick for 2026
Mike?

1612
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:59,480
I don't know, I've only watched
the first one, but when we get

1613
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:01,840
to Resident Evil Canal, we will
look you up.

1614
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,480
We'll look you up right away.
Because there's also like the

1615
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:11,840
separate series of like animated
films, some of them, the

1616
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,760
technology wasn't there when
they started.

1617
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:18,080
But I've got all them as well.
And welcome to Raccoon City.

1618
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,800
I'm a fan of like Flipping, a
big fan of that franchise.

1619
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,000
It's been adapted in a lot of
ways that don't agree with each

1620
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:29,080
other, but I tend to see almost
everything on its own merits.

1621
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,520
Excellent, Steven, where can
folks find you?

1622
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,480
All my shows are on hiatus at
the moment except for this one.

1623
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,480
So if you want to hear me
podcast, you're in the right

1624
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:41,280
place.
You can hit me up on Blue Sky or

1625
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:46,000
Letterbox at Chewy Walrus.
And yeah, if once the stuff

1626
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,040
starts coming back, I'll post
about it there.

1627
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,640
But for right now, I'm taking
I'm taking a much deserved

1628
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,960
break.
Excellent, Brian, how about

1629
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,080
yourself?
Yeah, well, Holy Terrors is just

1630
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,640
getting started.
Our second episode should be

1631
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,440
available by the time this
drops.

1632
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:07,800
It will be on The Prophecy,
starring Christopher Walken,

1633
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,200
Eric Stoltz, Elias Coteus,
Virginia Madsen.

1634
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,440
Lots of people.
It's a wild Viggo Mortensen is

1635
01:35:14,440 --> 01:35:16,520
in that movie.
Little baby Viggo.

1636
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,560
You mean 1998?
Psychos.

1637
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,920
Viggo Mortensen.
No, before that, yeah.

1638
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,080
Well, I mean, yeah, yeah.
But even before that, any plays

1639
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,560
Lucifer.
Yeah, I love it.

1640
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,000
Anyway, podcast now I love the
prophecy, yeah.

1641
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:33,960
So we had a lot of fun with that
episode.

1642
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:38,280
So and we've got some other
things planning planned along

1643
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:43,160
the ways coming up.
So you can find that show is on

1644
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:47,720
Instagram and threads at Holy
Terrors podcast and on Blue Sky

1645
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,360
at Holy Terrors.
And you can find me at Brian

1646
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:55,480
Waves 42 at all the various
socials, if you so desire.

1647
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,400
I don't have a lot of writing
coming down the Pike right now,

1648
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,760
taking sort of a little rest,
but I'll be back at it pretty

1649
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:03,720
soon here.
Excellent.

1650
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,600
Well, listeners, if you're
enjoying the show, remember to

1651
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,480
please rate, review and
subscribe to us everywhere

1652
01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:12,480
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If you go specifically go to

1653
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,840
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1654
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,480
That goes a long way to new
people finding us and lets us

1655
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:22,000
know we're on the right track.
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1656
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,680
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1657
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,600
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doing and enjoying where we're

1658
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,320
going with all of our
franchises, consider becoming a

1659
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,560
patron by going to
patreon.com/pod in the Pendulum

1660
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:41,480
where for as little as 2 bucks a
month you get a ton of bonus

1661
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:43,840
stuff.
All of our Back to the Future

1662
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,120
takes.
We have a lot of one off horror

1663
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,280
movies we wouldn't normally
cover or we do deep dives into

1664
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,160
some great films.
We'll do some first.

1665
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,640
Looks like we see something new.
We'll kind of talk about what

1666
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,480
we're watching.
We have have fan commentaries.

1667
01:36:57,480 --> 01:37:00,360
We have a lot of cool stuff
planned for it this year,

1668
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,440
including a non horror watch
along where I'm going to have

1669
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:10,760
Brian and Steven watch Sylvester
Stallones arm wrestling tour to

1670
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,320
four over the top.
But we are going to have like

1671
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:15,720
their initial.
Thoughts as they watch it.

1672
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,240
I can.
Conveniently forgotten about

1673
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,080
that, and now he's reminded of
the promise.

1674
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,960
Of being on back.
I remember now, Brian.

1675
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,680
Quote UN quote forgot.
So stuff like that pod on the

1676
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,920
pendulumapatreon.com/pod and the
pendulum.

1677
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:34,400
You can follow us on the socials
at Pod and Pendulum on Instagram

1678
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:39,120
and A Blue Sky, and you can
follow me at Mike's Noonian on

1679
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:44,280
Instagram, Mike Chump Change on
Letterbox, and yeah, that is it.

1680
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,880
We'll be back next week.
Not with Bates Motel.

1681
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:52,680
I think we're going to do that
after we do the Psycho remake,

1682
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,760
but we'll be back next week with
Psycho 4.

1683
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,280
The beginning, which was kind of
the beginning of the end of

1684
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,320
this.
Look at that.

1685
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:05,240
Ripped it right out right out.
And that one has some

1686
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,800
interesting behind the scenes
stories.

1687
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,800
Spoiler lick.
Mick Garris did not quite enjoy

1688
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,680
working with Anthony Perkins.
Made things pretty tough for a

1689
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,680
young Mick Garris who maybe
because at the time he didn't

1690
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:21,080
have that like lustrous hair and
things might have gone different

1691
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:25,240
if it had been the luscious
flowing locks that Mick Garris

1692
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:28,320
now enjoys.
He has the best hair of anybody.

1693
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,280
Guys like Mick Garris's hair is
amazing.

1694
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,680
That's going to be yeah.
Oh, easily.

1695
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,040
I wonder I Was here is going to
be impacted by the release of 28

1696
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:44,760
Years Later the Bone Temple.
I don't know why would it be

1697
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:49,160
impacted.
There's a lot of long, long wigs

1698
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,280
in it.
That's true, yeah.

1699
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,680
I thought like this stuff was
going to happen.

1700
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,400
He's he's a.
Silver font now, yeah.

1701
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:00,040
Mick Garris's hair is probably
going to, if I do another band,

1702
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,920
it's going to be, that's going
to be the name of the band.

1703
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,640
It's Mick Garris's hair called
it called my shot right now.

1704
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,680
All right, listeners, that is
it.

1705
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,760
A little bit less malarkey than
last time, but a very fun

1706
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:15,160
episode all the same.
Take care, everybody.

1707
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,160
Bye later.
There.