WISHMASTER 2: EVIL NEVER DIES

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None.
Hey there everyone, and welcome

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to the pod and the pendulum.
We are the show that covers all

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of the franchises one movie and
one episode at a time.

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As always, I'm your host, Mike
Snoonian, and I am here to make

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even more wishes this week with
Witch Master 2.

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Evil never dies.
What would happen if you took

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this movie and Halloween Kills
and they just had to go head to

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head?
Like, would evil not die or

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would evil die tonight?
Maybe we'll ask that later on.

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Anyway, this is the 1999 direct
to television sequel to the 1997

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film Wishmaster.
I kind of put this little

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anecdote down here before we
introduce the Co hosts and our

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guests that when I was at high
school, I went to this dance and

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I remember getting super excited
to get like another girl's phone

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number and getting in my like
best friend at the time's car to

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go home.
And I was like, I met a girl.

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I was super happy.
I'm like 1314 years old and my

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friend's dad is like, did you
rub a lamp or something?

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And I don't know.
That's the kind of energy I want

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to bring to this week's episode
to skip Bowen.

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Let's crush some hope and dreams
type of energy with this like

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really fun direct to video
movie.

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So I am not alone, like I said
before we have sitting in the Co

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host chair from the Spectre
Cinema Club and Tainted Love

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podcast, Mr. Devon Taylor.
Devon, how are we?

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I claim which is that I am owed
A5 star review on Apple

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Podcasts.
Not the show, just Devon Rev

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Rate Devon Taylor.
My impression?

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Marginally better.
Sorry Mike, that was awful.

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But I love you still.
Devon, did you have a friend

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who's like parents were Dicks to
you growing up Like I did?

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Like the kind of parents that
are like, you know, we know

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you're young and impressionable,
but we're going to be Dicks

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anyway.
Like you have any friends,

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parents like that?
And now even better, I'm from

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Missouri so I just had parents
that were low key racist

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instead.
Fair enough.

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So yes, they did hate.
So yes, they did hate me

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actually.
Yeah, good.

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Points You got to love Missouri.
Well, we have someone sitting in

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the special guest chair today
joining us for the first time.

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He is the founder of the site
Killer Horror Critic.

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He has By Lines and Arrow Video,
Dread, Central Mandre, Vellum

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and many more.
Let's welcome for the first time

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special guest Matt Konopka.
Matt, how are we?

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Hey guys, I'm good.
Thank you for granting my wish.

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We're going to be doing also a
terrible impression.

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I want to point well, point out
something.

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We are not a video podcast, but
Matt, you look like you would

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win like second place in the
like Dave Batista look alike.

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Oh really?
Stay.

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Fair.
Like I'm like, it's our first

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celebrity Batista.
And then I get excited and I'm

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like, God, just.
It's not.

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Yeah.
No, I just censored that last

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week.
No, it's very hot here because I

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have to turn off the air
conditionings for these.

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So yeah, I just didn't want to
sweat during this.

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That's all right.
I just sweat, naturally.

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It's totally fine.
Yeah.

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Matt, I'll pose the same
question I posed at Yvonne.

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Did you have any friends whose
parents are, like, the worst?

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Just absolute.
I mean, I don't want to say the

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worst, but my, my best friend's
parents growing up, his dad was

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not like super fond of me
because you wouldn't, you

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wouldn't know it to talk to me
now, but I had a very like high

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pitched voice when I was a kid
and, and I and so and I would

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like scream and make a ton of
noise.

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And there, there was one, there
was one night where I was

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sleeping over and my friend's
dad just like got really mad at

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how much noise I was making and
told me that I had to go home.

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And, you know, he meant that I
had to go home as soon as I got

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up in the morning.
But I took it as like, I had to

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go home then.
So I ended up walking home at

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like 3 in the morning.
Jesus.

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That's fantastic.
And and when he woke up the next

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day, my parents were getting
calls of like did Bat, did Mac

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come home?
Like we don't know where he is.

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Oh man, that's great.
Like we lost your child at our

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sleepover, which is not what
we're looking.

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For Yeah, but no, he he was a
good guy.

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He could just like like a
typical Midwest dad could be

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kind of like intimidating when
he got upset.

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So got it.
Well what we are looking for

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Matt, are your initial thoughts
as our special guest on Witch

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Master 2.
Like overall, are you a fan of

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the series?
Like when did you first watch

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this entry?
Because this is the one we put

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out the open call.
You're like, can I hop into Wish

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Master 2?
So what is it about this movie?

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Well, so I I do really like the
first wish master.

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I just think it's a great
showcase of like KMB special

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effects, you know, and it's kind
of it kind of came at this time

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where it was like The
Expendables for horror in a

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sense, because you just you
packed in so many genre

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celebrities of the time like
Robert Anglin, Kane Hotter, Tony

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Todd, Rest in Peace, you know,
just so many.

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And so I'm a big fan of the
original.

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And then the second, well, well,
I would say it's quite a big

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step down from the first.
It's still fun and entertaining.

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You know, you still have some
pretty good effects and Andrew

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Duvall just seems like he's
having the time of his life

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playing this character.
You know, like, I love his kind

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of just like shit eating grin
the entire time that he has.

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And I was also listening to the
commentary today and just being

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reminded of the fact that he
just does not blink once in the

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entire movie.
So I thought it was interesting.

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And even at times where he's on
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that's.
Funny, I didn't even notice

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that, but you're totally right.
Yeah.

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Frozen grin, which we'll
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Which which is so funny too,
when you consider the fact that,

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like, his portrayal there is
kind of like the Jinn's sort of

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view of like that, that is the
Jinn trying to impersonate a

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human being.
You know, like he's trying.

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Like that's him trying to fit in
is to be this like shitting in

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grin, never blinking fucking
weirdo.

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So I just kind of love that
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And you know, and we'll get into
the things that I don't like as

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much, namely Morgana's arc.
And and it's some of that stuff,

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but I just think it's a really
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I think I think setting it in
the prison in Vegas is basically

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perfect for Witch master.
And so I guess to answer your

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question, I really, I, I really
enjoy these first two, 3 and 4

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not so much.
That's what I've heard.

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I heard I'm in for a real treat.
Oh, you're, you're having a

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first time coming up, huh?
These are all first timers for

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me.
Yeah, let me, let me just

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prepare you.
You're going to miss Devoff

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quite a bit in this role because
he is not in three and four and

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you feel it.
We've had a string of movies

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this year where I'm like, this
is the worst movie we've ever

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covered.
And you just, when you think

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you've descended, you've
descended into that like deepest

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circle of hell, you get like a
wrong turn 5.

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And it's just like my.
Like just because I love what,

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because I love watching Mike
squirm.

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I'm like rooting for this one to
like take the cake for three to

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be the new worst movie we've
ever covered on the podcast.

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I'm really hoping I'm I'm
excited to see your reaction

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because but.
Where do they hurt you in a past

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life or that's what you want
from, you know, I don't

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understand.
Hey, you got to find pockets of

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joy where you can, and that's
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Hurting me brings you a pocket
of joy.

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Why have?
Why do you think I've been on

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here for like 3 years now?
Yes, that's exactly why Mike.

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Last week you're like, you know,
you kind of remind me of the

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homeless dude.
And no, I said, you reminded me

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of the actor, not the homeless
man you said that you're saying

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like.
Almost exclusive homeless

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people.
And I'm like, what the fuck?

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So what is going on Devon?
What about yourself?

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Like what is it you've
mentioned?

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Like you're here for the Jinn
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So what are your initial
thoughts on this on the sequel

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here?
Yeah, similar to Matt, like I

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love the jinn that he is, you
know, this otherworldly being

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and his just interpretation,
like fascination with humans,

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like the way that he interacts.
I love just like how his brain

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works.
He goes, OK, where am I going to

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find the greediest people?
Let me get myself thrown in

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prison.
OK.

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I was like, all right, I see
you, Jen.

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Like he's he's making economical
moves because it makes sense.

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Like there's a lot of greedy
people in prison that would sell

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their soul away, You know, for a
wish.

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I was like, that's great.
I was like big brain sequel

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thinking.
I was like, love that.

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So many smokes in prison.
Like so exactly.

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And so many cigarettes for him.
He he was in heaven.

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I mean, I know we'll get to a
little bit later to how there is

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kind of there could have been 2
movies here like Gin could Gin

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in prison could have been one
movie.

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Gin in Vegas could have been
another movie.

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But.
But yeah, it's, it's still very

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fun.
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Divov is very fun here.
Like he's getting, he's a little

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bit looser.
He gets to be a little bit more

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of a Rascal on this one.
He's a little extra cheeky,

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quite literally, but and and and
which is funny because like, he

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doesn't need to be Andrew Divov.
That's what I love about the

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Jin.
He he just likes Andrew Divov's

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face.
Like essentially for him to be

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Divov in the second movie,
there's no narrative reason for

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him to be Demoris, but he he
just likes that face.

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And I'm like, yeah, that's a
good face.

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That's a good one for you, Jin.
So yeah, but you know, I think

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they are still even though I
think the I think the decrease

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the step down comes in mainly
the the primary protagonist

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characters and their acting and
things like that.

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But this movie still gives you
really great effects works in

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certain scenes.
It still gives you the, again,

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the the kind of mischievous
humor that the first film

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brought.
Like there's still a lot of

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things like I, I'd, I'd say like
the, the, the spirit is still

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there between this and the
first, just not quite as

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polished as the first movie is.
But but yeah, so it's, it's

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still a really fun ride.
And again, I think it's just a

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nice logical step in where the
the Gin would go.

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And I love that this movie
cements that the Gin gave

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himself the title of Wishmaster
as his prison nickname.

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That's canonical for this
series.

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And again, I love the Gin for
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Like he's such a, he's just such
a he's so random, this guy so

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random.
He's he's a character, yeah.

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He's a bit mischievous.
I agree with both of you.

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Like this is definitely in terms
of the overall quality of the

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first movie, Like it is a step
down.

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Like you, that first movie, like
you had mentioned, Matt, it's

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kind of a who's who of horror
between like Wes Craven

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executive producing, Bob
Kurtzman, like stepping into the

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director's chair, K&B doing like
great special effects.

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And then you have Robert Anglin,
Kane Hotter, Tony Todd, Reggie

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Bannister, Ted Ramey, Angus
Scrim doing voice over.

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Like all of these who's who of,
you know, horror movies at

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different levels, all of them
like making cameo or, you know,

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supporting appearances.
So you get like a real like wow,

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like a pretty like for AB movie,
something that's a little bit

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better than most.
And this one is you feel like

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it's straining with the direct
video.

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Like the settings are a lot of
fun, but they're a bit skimpy.

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Like there's just not a lot you
can do there.

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The gin is in human form way
more than monster form, which I

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think is actually a plus in this
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Despite like the budget being,
you know, obviously lower and

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being able to really tell, it's
still a lot of fun.

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It fun because it's just it's so
ridiculous.

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It's like such a movie where
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and then a prison sequence and
then let's end things in a

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casino and let's seduce priests.
And it's just so like, what are

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we doing here?
Like that kind of energy where

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you almost feel like Jack's
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were suggesting things to him
and he's like, sure, why not?

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I'll write that in.
Like, who gives a shit?

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Well, he definitely seems to

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take like sort of a who gives a
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it, which is what I like about
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Because, you know, it's really
funny to listen to him talk

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about Wishmaster 2 because he
was approached for the first one

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to direct and he turned it down
because he said he thought the

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script was terrible.
Which I just think is like, you

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know, fun irony compared to what
he ended up what he ended up

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writing for Part 2.
I mean he is like as as I as I

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had seen you say in your notes
like he is a notorious shit

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talker.
Oh my God, yeah, he is.

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And and so, yeah.
And so it just feels like for

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this entire film, you know, I
almost got the sense of he

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didn't even really want to do
this one, even after they said

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that he could write the script.
But, you know, he mentions like,

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oh, it was a slow time for me.
So it just sort of feels like he

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just did it.
Because one of the last things I

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think he does one other feature
film he does like Inaccurate in

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2001.
He does a couple more like

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television episodes that he
directs.

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And that was like 2004.
But he's 60 by then.

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I mean, he's still alive.
He's 80 years old as of this

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year in June.
So he's kind of slowing down

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anyway.
But it's just, yeah, it's just

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ironic.
Like we'll talk a little bit

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about him in a moment.
It is funny that they didn't

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ask.
Like I think about Wrong Turn to

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when I think about this movie in
that this movie just missed out

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on the DVD boom by a few years.
Like it's 99.

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So DVDs are out.
Like I own, I know I own like a

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player by this point because I
worked in electronics, but it

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wasn't like everybody, everybody
was rushing out to get discs.

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Like it was still a pretty big
novelty.

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television as opposed to like

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video cassette or DVD first.
But like Wrong Turn to it's like

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mid 2000s.
They know there's a huge market

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for like DVDs and they're like
great.

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We'll give it a little bit of
money, not as much as the first.

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We'll get a young and upcoming
director.

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We'll have a lot of fun with it.
And you know, if you listen to

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our rankings episode spoiler,
like we rated wrong Turn 2 as

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the best of the whole series.
And this one, it's like almost

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like, well, I, I guess we'll
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Like you feel that here.

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Well.
This one feels like because

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again, like the first movie is
like so much of this, like big

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roll out for horrors, next big
icon, the gin and and then it

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didn't quite happen.
So the second movie is like, all

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right, let's just Dick around on
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Like who's got ideas?
You know, like, and people just

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started being like prison Vegas
and he's like, yes, yes, you

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know, you know, like let's do
it.

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So like that's kind of the
attitude with this one where the

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first one they are really trying
to trying really hard to like

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prop up the the gin and
everything and still like kind

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of make him like, oh, he's
sinister, he's devious and like,

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and this they're just like, Nah,
this guy's here for shits and

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gigs and like we're we're going
to fuck around.

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And like that's kind of more the
again, this one feels just feels

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a little bit more loose the
energy.

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Kind of feel like he should have
been thrown in prison.

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It should have been a carryover
from the first film where it's

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like, hey, there's that
middle-aged dude who hangs

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around like girls basketball
games way too much and he

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doesn't have a kid and no one's
on his team.

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Like that should have been why
he was sent to prison for like

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being a weird perv that's not
allowed near schools.

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Like that would have been that
would have been amazing if they

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did that.
Matt, you just mentioned like

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shoulder getting offered to
direct the first one and turning

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it down.
Like both Kurtzman and Peter

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Aikens, the writer of the first
film.

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Like they're they're surprised
to not be act asked back, but

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they're not like you figure like
Peter Aikens is like look, I

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have 4 unused Hellraiser
scripts.

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I can just, you know, control F
for find replace Pinhead with

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gin and I will have you like a
new script by Tuesday at 9:00

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AM.
Like I got your back.

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But they did not call on him.
Shoulder comes on board and he's

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like, well, I didn't think the
first one was any good.

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Which is also what he said about
A Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Which is crazy, yeah.
Yeah, so the second time he's

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coming in after Wes Craven, who
executive produces the first

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film and is pretty hands on,
like with the scripting process.

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He's like, yeah, what a be Wes
Craven.

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Like what a piece of shit.
Let me show you how it's done.

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Step aside, Wes.
This is Jack Shoulder time.

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Yeah.
Why didn't Hellraiser go to

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prison?
Right, that would be perfect. 10

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point that like that would that
would make so much sense.

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I mean, there's been like 12
fucking movies and they couldn't

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go to prison once.
So it's.

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So yeah, this is definitely just
a.

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Watching those movies feels like
a jail sentence.

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So you figure why?
Why wouldn't they do it?

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So shoulders like, I want to say
like breakout film, it's 1980

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twos alone in the dark, which I
kind of want to say is a

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prestige slasher in that like
compared to what you get at the

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time, like Jack Palace is in
like future Oscar winner Jack

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Palace.
Donald Pleasance is on board.

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It's a little bit more highbrow.
It it it's a pretty fun movie.

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It involves like a bunch of
killers breaking out of a a

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mental asylum and then wreaking
havoc.

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And what's ironic is it's comes
out in 82 and there's a mass

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killer and a goalie mask for
part of it.

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In a year later, you get Friday
the 13th with Jason in a hockey

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mask and you're like, well,
that's a coincidence.

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And then in 87 he directs the
Hidden, which is like an entity

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that jumps from body to body as
a killer.

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And then in 1993 you get Jason
Goes to Hell, which involves

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Jason as an entity jumping from
body to body and continuing so.

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It's almost like if Jack
Shoulder has any beef, it

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shouldn't be with Wes Craven,
but with like, Sean Right and

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Franklin Cuso Junior.
Giving him some ammo now.

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I I never thought of that, but
you were absolutely right.

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Jack Shoulder, if you're
listening, this is your.

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This is your time.
But this is your moment.

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Actually, Wes is gone.
It doesn't really matter at that

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point.
But I mean, very interesting.

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I mean, I think Nightmare on Elm
Street too definitely deserves

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more credit than it's obvious.
I think it's really fantastic.

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So I mean, if we're gonna go
with the more superior sequels

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that he's done, I really like
what he did with Elm Street too,

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because I think I think that is
Freddie at his scariest, if I'm

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gonna say anything about the
franchise in in that one.

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No, yeah, I'm, I'm part of the
group that thinks Nightmare 2 is

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actually pretty scary like that.
That was the last scary version

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of that franchise.
Well, except for seven.

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I think 7 has some good stuff in
it but but no, he's terrifying

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in that.
It was the first one I watched.

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I remember seeing it like it was
on cable and my friends and I

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were watching it and hiding
behind the couch for parts of it

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and like peeking around the
corner because like I found it

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so scary at points and it still
works.

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And it's weird because I would
say like this one, there's a lot

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of queer things and this as
well, but Shoulder kind of

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imbues them with a lot of like
also homophobia.

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So it's very odd how he and it's
fascinating when you go back and

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watch any of the like
documentaries on Elm Street 2 or

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anyone, like so many of them are
like, we had no idea we were

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making something this gay, like
absolutely.

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And and others are like, come
on, how did you not like how did

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you you saw what we were doing
here.

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Look at the props we were using
in the dance.

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But it's odd that like, there's
like these two sides of Jack's

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shoulder that seem to be at war
with one another in like, these

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two movies, so.
He's just just.

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Figuring it out, you know he.
He also has the name of a like

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of a like mob enforcer.
You'll want me to send Jack

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Shoulder over to you.
That's.

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It yeah, whoopsie, whoopsie.
So it's this one.

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We're moving on.
Like, Tam, was it Tammy Lauren

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who played Alex in the first
movie?

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I figure I think that's it.
Yeah, we'll fix it in post.

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But it's funny.
She's not ass back.

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And we talked about this in the
first episode where when you

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watch, like all the interviews
with like, Divov, he's like

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talks about the whole process
and how he gets into character.

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And Miss Laurent is like, it was
a movie I did.

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I'm actually not a huge fan of
horror.

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And when I do these conventions,
I just hope there are no

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weirdos, which I thought was
like, I love that energy.

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I kind of love that.
She's like, it was a paycheck.

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What do you want?
So Holly Fields comes on as

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Morgana, and I would say like,
you don't see a lot of her on

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screen in other roles, but she's
a very talented voice actor.

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Like she's done, she's.
The video game version of Fiona

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for Shrek for the Shrek series.
The Shrek video game series.

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She is Fiona.
And she's also in a lot of the

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Star Wars video games like the
Knights of the Old Republic

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video games, which are
excellent, like one of the best

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role-playing games ever.
So she's had like a very long

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career and thriving career where
she's done this.

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But I would say maybe the person
of most note Tony Tiny Liston.

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Yeah, tiny.
You know it's.

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Barred.
As much as I love Divov, like I

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would have taken like the
second-half of the movie Tiny

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playing the gin.
Like the gin inside of Tony.

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Yeah, yeah, I.
Think that would have been

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really fun for, like, the
second-half of the movie.

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But, I mean, you know, still,
still love to have off.

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But like that, like, because we
get one scene of, of Tiny being

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the gin when he does his little
prison escape.

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And it was really fun.
And like, I think that could

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have been a whole fun thing,
yeah.

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That would have been great.
He just loves DeVos face too

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much I guess.
Agreed.

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And it's a much different vibe
when you have like tiny listing

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in your face, like with those 20
inch pythons going like make

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your wish.
It's like, yes, Sir, there's

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something a bit more
intimidating at that point.

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It's so.
I will make a wish, I will wish

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whatever you want.
Yeah, you tell me what you want

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me to wish, Sir.
Just write it down.

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How do you want me to say it?
And I just please don't hurt me

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or my family is all I ask.
So where do you want to start

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with this?
Where do you guys want to start

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with our talk?
Matt, what is your first?

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What is your, what do you want
to talk?

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I think we all have the same
note on on Holly fields in this.

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Should we start there?
Sure, Yeah, we can start there.

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I so I, I like her character in
this for the most part, you

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know, like I, I like what we're
what we start with this kind of,

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you know, like goth, punk bank
robber.

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You know, she's got all that
going on for her And, and I like

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her performance for the most
part.

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You know, I think it fits the
film.

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And then it just does this very
like puritanical kind of

444
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,440
bullshit where it's like, you
know, that that to me just felt

445
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,680
so late 90s in the sense where
she goes on this redemption arc

446
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,760
of which I, I don't mind the
redemption arc.

447
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,920
You know, I, I think, I think
like having a character kind of

448
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560
going through this difficulty of
having killed someone and, you

449
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,240
know, feeling the guilt over
that.

450
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,920
Like all of that's great.
And it adds a good depth to her.

451
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:07,520
But I think that the concept of
well, she's redeemed because she

452
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560
took out her piercings and is
wearing white instead of black

453
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,480
now like that, that like she
gets Ally sheeted basically from

454
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,120
the Paris Club and like that
kind of stuff always just pisses

455
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,640
me off.
It's really.

456
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Bad like because she is really
cool to kind of start off with

457
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,200
and like has like a fun energy
to her.

458
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,080
And then, yeah, like, I love how
all it takes to purify herself

459
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,200
is, oh, you cut your pinky off
and then you go confess your

460
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960
sins and then, Nope, you're good
now.

461
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240
Which is, yeah, it's all really
weird.

462
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,920
And then even and then, like the
religious stuff, then they take

463
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,600
even further, putting the pastor
guy on the cross later.

464
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Like, I mean, it's it's really
weird.

465
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:53,720
But like, yeah, unfortunately,
Morgana, I mean like she won

466
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,560
crazy at the beginning.
Like an art heist should not

467
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,760
result in the death of like 5
people.

468
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Like imagine shooting, imagine
shooting a cop over a painting

469
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,880
and then like getting death
sentenced apparently.

470
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Like what are you doing here?
So one terrible art thieves,

471
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840
this group here.
I mean she like they cut the

472
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,240
painting out of the you ruined
it.

473
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,000
What are you doing?
Right, it's not worth anything

474
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,240
now.
So she's a terrible art thief

475
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,000
and they.
Just smash the glass.

476
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,640
Like if you've seen any movie
where there's an art heist, like

477
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,240
even the great Muppet caper I
believe like when Charles Grodin

478
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,280
goes to rob the huge gem, it's
like if you break the glass the

479
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560
alarms will go off.
Like, have you never seen a

480
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,720
movie?
Right.

481
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Like what's that Pierce Brosnan
movie where he's an art thief?

482
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,400
Like how did you not watch that
and know?

483
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,720
This Thomas Crown affair is
that.

484
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Yes, yes, that's what I think.
I just pulled that one right out

485
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,480
of my ass to be quite honest,
just don't know how.

486
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,800
That was perfect.
Well, just fun.

487
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,240
Quick note.
I thought during the commentary,

488
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,000
I thought it was kind of funny
because they make a note of

489
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
like, we're all saying she's
such a terrible art thief.

490
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,880
But they point out like, well,
she must be doing pretty OK

491
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,800
because she's got this loft in
Los Angeles, which, you know, if

492
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,000
anyone knows, it's like, not
that cheap.

493
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,560
You know what?
It's a nice looking place.

494
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Yeah, to be fair, it's the 90s
and I've said this before, the

495
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,840
90s or a time when like you
could have a super low paying

496
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,440
job and like it's a you could
just like I'm just going to wash

497
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,760
dishes 20 hours a week and still
maybe live with like one other

498
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,800
roommate in a decent place and
like just pursue your hobbies,

499
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,120
whether that's art, thieving or
obviously like she likes to go

500
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
to the gun club because she's
pretty good with her aim, even

501
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,440
under pressure.
Like I sent the note to Devon

502
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,680
and the rest of the Co hosts.
Like when I'm watching this, I'm

503
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,720
like didn't know this, but goth
women that are deadly with a

504
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760
pistol and are art thieves
Totally my bag.

505
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,480
Like so into it.
Just let me call you mommy and I

506
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,880
am, I am there like.
I mean, hey, you, you even even

507
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,360
the gin was down, down battle a
little bit from Morgano, but

508
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,080
that one line is like he's like,
oh, yeah.

509
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,280
I I, I wanting that sweet
little, that cute little last

510
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,560
myself.
I was just like, okay, I was

511
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,080
like, she's got everybody.
She's got the pastor questioning

512
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,480
his faith.
She's got the gin all randied

513
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,120
up.
Like I mean more guys got going

514
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,560
on until she is then put in the
worst dress and terrible shoes

515
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,040
and even makes a her.
Her haircut was already bad to

516
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,840
start off with but she was
making it work and then she made

517
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,520
it work.
No and then she made it work.

518
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,600
She was working it to begin with
and then when she purified

519
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,200
herself, made it worse.
I mean, I'm, I'm all for the

520
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,400
hair originally.
It's it's not great, but it's

521
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,040
not terrible.
But but no, but like, even the

522
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,640
film gets it, you know, I mean,
she's constantly like, not this

523
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,600
is necessarily a good thing, but
it's like she's constantly

524
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,960
objectified by the camera.
You know, we have all these

525
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,600
scenes of of her in like her,
her underwear, sleeping in bed

526
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,880
and everything, which was not a
thing in the original, if I

527
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,080
remember correctly.
So it's like, you know, the film

528
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,960
gets it, and then it's just
like, but what if we made her?

529
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,520
Boring.
Yeah.

530
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Well, see, that's, well, that's
Jack Shoulder being like and

531
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Jack Shoulder's like.
They're not going to question

532
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,280
this being the gay one this
time.

533
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,520
Look at this hot lady.
Let me show you this hot lady

534
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,000
that I love.
Don't question me.

535
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,640
And I love when, like, she
seduces her best friend, the

536
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920
priest, and he's like, I don't
think this is how you get into

537
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,840
heaven.
And she's like, don't be so

538
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,440
sure.
And I'm like, damn, that's a

539
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,520
hotline.
Like.

540
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,560
Hell yeah.
SO11 Really funny thing about

541
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,680
her and that seduction scene
too, is she's got the classic

542
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,520
late 90s well.
Would carry over into the early

543
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,800
2000s.
The thong above the jeans, like

544
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,320
coming out, that's back now
people that that recently people

545
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160
are doing that again.
So it was kind of funny to see

546
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120
that.
Way to the East Coast, yet it is

547
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,920
not made out.
It's it's happening out here.

548
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080
That's not the the thongs are
out again.

549
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,080
And but yeah, I love like his
reaction because like they're

550
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,560
like talking about like, Oh
yeah, I can just I'll defeat the

551
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,280
gym by doing this ritual.
And homie pastor guy goes, he's

552
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,600
like, well, that only works if
you're pure.

553
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,600
And like gives her just like the
like just the slut shamiest look

554
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200
I've ever seen in my life.
I was like fuck you man.

555
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,760
Yeah, like what a Dick and.
Then he sleeps with her and then

556
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,320
he's like, but you know, he's
like doing the math in his head.

557
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,080
He's like, all right, as a
priest, how many rosaries and

558
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,320
our fathers and confession do I
have to do if I do the nasty?

559
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,920
And he's like, is it worth it?
And I would say he airs in the

560
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,160
right side.
He's like he's.

561
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,280
Like Morgana, God gave us boners
for a reason.

562
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,320
I must.
I must.

563
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000
So it's great.
But I like Morgana.

564
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,560
I like that.
Like she's a bit more.

565
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,000
She's like a little bit more
clever than I think you're

566
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,240
initially meant to lead on.
Like when she at the end of the

567
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040
film, when she has to confront
the gin, she's much better at

568
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,880
like how she's like, wording her
wishes.

569
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,560
So she's trying like a lot of
different fake outs and things.

570
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Like she's very careful in what
she says in order to not let the

571
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,920
mayhem spread.
And she's clearly done her

572
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,000
homework.
And obviously the gin has as

573
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,040
well.
Like the gin has gone back and

574
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,440
like rewritten some of the code.
He's like, Oh no, you're not

575
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,800
getting away with this.
I wish you weren't here.

576
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Go back in your thing.
He's like, Nope, Nope, Nope.

577
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Like can't go against can't.
She said, she said I wish this

578
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,880
movie, but she goes I wish all
the evil in the world was gone.

579
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,080
He's like, no, you can't do
that.

580
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,160
The world needs evil.
It's gotta be balanced.

581
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Is a funny one.
I'll say in this one, they

582
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,200
actually he is more strict on it
being people saying that they

583
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,800
have to wish.
In this one, he isn't able to

584
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
like really like kind of sneak
it on people because there's a

585
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,000
few times that other people will
just straight up deny him.

586
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,600
There's like he's like, is that
what you?

587
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,440
He's like, is that a wish?
Is that a request?

588
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,560
And they're like, no, I'm
telling you it's a command.

589
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,680
And I was like.
OK.

590
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Well, that's fair.
He just cheat a little bit

591
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,920
though, because I think there's.
That not as much as the first

592
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,040
movie, though.
The first movie?

593
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,200
He's cheating left and right in
the first movie, yeah.

594
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Not as much as the first movie,
but there's that.

595
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,600
The moment in the beginning
where I'm pretty sure, unless I

596
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,160
got this wrong, a cop just
points a gun at him and goes

597
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,200
freeze and he goes as you wish.
And then he just turns.

598
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Yeah, it's like but.
He didn't even wish anything.

599
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,240
He didn't say I wish to be
frozen myself.

600
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,880
Yeah, that's the.
Other thing, he's a little bit

601
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,360
of freeze.
Yeah.

602
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,760
So that is definitely like we.
Said last.

603
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Time the gin is definitely the
original reply guy on the

604
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,840
Internet.
He's definitely, you know,

605
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,360
arguing semantics.
I yeah, I made that same note.

606
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,400
I'm like, A, that's not a wish
and B, he's not the one asking

607
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,360
to be frozen.
Like, he's not like saying, man,

608
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,960
like it's so hot out here.
I wish like, you know, I wish I

609
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,800
had like an ice cold snow cone.
And he's like, great.

610
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,800
And then he like, traps him in a
giant igloo, like it's not doing

611
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,360
anything.
But I love the detective who

612
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,360
arrests him and like,
absolutely, it's like, I'm the

613
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719
one that asks the questions
here, not you.

614
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,600
And he absolutely won't buy into
any of like the gin's bullshit.

615
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,719
And then when the gin like
leaves, he's like, oh, man, that

616
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,639
guy gives me the creep.
Like he's the he's the one guy

617
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,880
in any of these movies that's
like, Nope, I am not going to

618
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,480
fall for this.
And he doesn't even know because

619
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,560
he's just like an angry, pissed
off detective with way too much

620
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,200
on its plate.
I kind of love that.

621
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,680
Yeah.
Well, and it is something that

622
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,440
that's a little bit different
this time around because there's

623
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,680
him, but then there's you get
the sense that like the Jin's

624
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,920
having a little more trouble
than usual in this one trying to

625
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,880
get people to go along with
these wishes.

626
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,040
Because, I mean, you know, the
the prison maybe should have

627
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,600
gone a little bit differently
after a guy walks through the

628
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,480
bars and, you know, ends up a
meat sack.

629
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,640
But you would you would think
that the other prisoners would

630
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,000
maybe not make any wishes after
that.

631
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,680
But but there are quite a few
characters, I feel like who are

632
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,200
kind of like, no, I'm not, I'm
not going to get involved in

633
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,680
this.
Like you go make wishes with

634
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,040
these guys and you know, it
just, I don't know.

635
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,480
I like the despite being in the
prison setting, he's still kind

636
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,400
of having to like really work to
get these characters.

637
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,720
Amazing.
I've only got 200.

638
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,560
I need 800 more that he's
putting in the time.

639
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,720
Like he's definitely putting in
the time here.

640
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,920
Oh, yeah, I mean, well, yeah,
'cause there's, there's like

641
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,240
stuff we didn't see.
Because at one point when Tiny

642
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,320
is like, he's like, he's like,
there's been more fights.

643
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,600
He's like, there's been an
increase in contraband.

644
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,200
So like he's been stimulating
the prison economy with his

645
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,200
wish, with his wish granting is
is very fun.

646
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,320
A funny concept and like
whenever like and like how he's

647
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,480
like stepping on other people's
terms and it's like and and when

648
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,080
every time grant somebody wish
he always goes.

649
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,360
I didn't tell your friends like
a like, creepy salesman or

650
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,920
something, but like, yeah, so it
increases Rep while in prison.

651
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,240
So like, I'd like to see like, I
mean, we only see, you know, so

652
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,160
much.
But like, because he has

653
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,960
multiple stints in the hole, so
he spends at least a month or so

654
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440
in in prison.
Like he didn't just like do like

655
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,720
a like quick like in and out.
He was like, all right, I'm

656
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,840
gonna let you know, see how long
I can ride this out.

657
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
I love his.
I love his reaction to time.

658
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,680
He's like, he's like, he's like,
I'm gonna put you in the hole

659
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,480
for a week and he just like
starts.

660
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,680
He just goes, ha, he's like I've
done, He's like, I've been in a

661
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440
hole for 3000 years ago.
That'll be a breeze.

662
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,240
Yeah, not not to mention The
Breakfast Club again, but it's

663
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,000
like that, you know, where he
keeps adding on detentions.

664
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,080
Oh my God, just the back and
forth of it.

665
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,360
But you have to wonder like, how
is this prison not just noticed,

666
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,240
you know, like 100 plus
prisoners probably just not

667
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:24,320
there anymore because because
you have to think most of them

668
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,440
are wishing like get me the fuck
out of here, right?

669
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:33,440
Well, here's the other problem
with the gin is that like his

670
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,960
whole thing is to get people to
like want to make wishes.

671
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,720
And like you said, Matt, when
you turn a guy into Hamburger

672
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,440
Helper and then like press him
through the prison bars, like

673
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,000
you're immediately, if you
witnessed that, you're going to

674
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,680
be like.
I'm But that was at the holding

675
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,160
cell.
That wasn't there.

676
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,920
That wasn't there.
He wasn't in yet.

677
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,600
No, but there are six or seven
other holding cell people in

678
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,440
there, right?
So that should have been an easy

679
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560
7 wishes granted.
So there's the whole adage like

680
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,840
you get more flies with honey
than you do.

681
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Vinegar.
So if the and he gets the soul

682
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,200
either way.
Like The thing is, he can

683
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,600
collect these souls at any time.
Yeah, yeah, that, that is the

684
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,360
interesting thing when he
chooses to.

685
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Kill someone randomly?
Yeah.

686
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,160
Yeah, and he's.
Just being a Dick, like he's

687
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,440
just a bully.
Cause most of the time he saves

688
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,320
it for later.
He's like, oh, he's like, I'll

689
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,440
get your soul later.
And he like does his like mass

690
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,960
collection at the end of the
movie.

691
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480
But like, yeah, sometimes he's
just like, you know what,

692
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,640
actually, let me go ahead.
Like but it it made sense when

693
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,760
he killed butts.
Like cause butts is like kind of

694
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,480
fucking shit up.
If he got those like 1000, he

695
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,800
got like that one guy, I just
want to walk out of here.

696
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,200
It's like great door opens, guy
walks out.

697
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400
You look at the other six guys
like, what can I do for you

698
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,160
guys?
Right?

699
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,240
He's not, he's working harder,
not smarter.

700
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Like he's like, because like it
takes a fair amount of creative

701
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,960
ingenuity to think about, OK,
this guy wants to walk out of

702
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080
the walk through the prison
bars.

703
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,720
How am I going to do this in a
way that, like, tickles my

704
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,880
tickles my artistic bone like he
really has to?

705
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,000
That's really what it is at the
end of the day.

706
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,800
He, he's, he's entertaining
himself, you know, again, he's

707
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,800
been, he's spent, you know, many
millennia locked inside.

708
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,960
I mean, you, you, when we go
back to the gin's place, we see

709
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,120
what it's like there.
You know, it's not he even he, I

710
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:26,600
love him.
He goes.

711
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,760
It's not exactly happy.
It's really funny, but like

712
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,520
also, so he's out in the human
world.

713
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,520
So he's like, he's like, I'm
gonna get my souls.

714
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,200
He's like, but I don't need to
get it right away.

715
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,280
Let me enjoy this for a minute.
Let me have.

716
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,440
Fun.
He's not though.

717
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,360
He's so mad.
He's like, you know, if he was

718
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,400
like, this is like a holiday for
me being out.

719
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,320
You know, I'm in Vegas, you
know, I'm going to the clubs I'm

720
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,680
going to meet.
You know, Siegfried and Roy are

721
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,360
on tap.
Like I've, you know, I think by

722
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,520
that point, like, I don't know,
Sinatra live in 99, I don't

723
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,000
remember.
But Don Rickles would have been

724
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,160
in residency in Vegas.
I'm going to catch a couple

725
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,920
shows like there's no hurry.
Like there's but he's like, no

726
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,960
man, I got to we got to get this
moving along.

727
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,040
And the other part of it is his
whole thing is he wants to get

728
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,400
his gin buddies out.
So he needs 3 wishes.

729
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,480
So if you're Morgana and you see
what this guy is doing where

730
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,400
you're like, well, you know, my
criminal boyfriend is dead.

731
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,360
I'm having these horrific
nightmares.

732
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,120
The only good option in front of
me is like a priest with like a

733
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,240
Major League Baseball players
goatee and bad hair.

734
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,200
Like you know, like if you went
to Morgana, I was like look at

735
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,400
all these great things I've done
and they only get one wish you

736
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,440
get 3.
What would you like?

737
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,120
And he just, you'd get do 2 nice
things and then she's like, you

738
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,400
know what, hell yeah, like what
do I want for #3 And then, you

739
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,960
know, it's like a gin party at
that point.

740
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,760
But he just has to be that guy.
He's like you want.

741
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,760
To release him, wait.
Wait till you meet his gin

742
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,720
buddies because that's coming,
Mike, right, you do get to you

743
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,960
do get to meet some gin buddies
here soon.

744
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Don't be worried.
I just love how Mike is like,

745
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,360
listen, Gin, you're doing it all
wrong.

746
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,440
Let me show you how this is
done.

747
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,960
OK, But, but I mean, you're
absolutely right.

748
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Like, you know, I mean, here's
this guy who's just walking

749
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,160
around again with that grin, not
blinking and and turning people

750
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,480
in, as you said, Hamburger
Helper.

751
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,200
And it's like, that's not really
the guy that I think I trust,

752
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,560
you know, like that's not
approachable person.

753
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,240
He's The thing is he's cocky
because once again, why does he

754
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:45,400
want to be Andrew Divov?
This kind of short ish guy that

755
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,440
has a pedo smile.
He could easily go get a model's

756
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,480
face.
He could.

757
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,200
I mean, he's still a hands on
the guy, but I mean, come on.

758
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,720
He looks like he hangs out at
playgrounds, but like he could

759
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,880
easily go get a model's face or
something.

760
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,920
Make this yeah, super easy.
But he's cocky so.

761
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,520
It's interesting cuz I listened
to the whole commentary for this

762
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:12,480
one hoping to get an answer to
why does he do the performance

763
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,640
this way in Part 2?
Why does he always have that

764
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,960
smile?
Because because I, I just

765
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,560
watched the first one again this
morning.

766
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,080
And like, he doesn't do that.
He's a little more, he's a

767
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,880
little more suave in the first
one, you know, like he's he's,

768
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,800
he's a little more manipulative
in it.

769
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,120
And and I just I just really
want an answer of like was this

770
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,520
a note from?
Jack.

771
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,720
Like, did you like did like, did
Jack look at the first one and

772
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,840
he's like, no, that's stupid.
Robert Kurtzman was stupid for

773
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,400
having to do that.
I'm I'm genius like.

774
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,320
He he's just walking around.
He's just walking around set and

775
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,000
he's like, hey, Andrew, do the
face.

776
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,000
And Andrew like makes the smile
and he laughs to himself and

777
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,360
he's like, yeah, yeah, keep
that.

778
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Or it's like the energy of like
when a kid does 1 funny thing at

779
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,360
a family gathering and then just
like can't stop doing it.

780
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,160
That's him with the face in this
movie.

781
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Do you think he's like, if you
don't do the face, I will put

782
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,280
you in the makeup chair and you
have to wear this whole bodysuit

783
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,840
and it's like 4 hours to get in,
two hours to get out and do

784
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,360
office.
Like I will do whatever you

785
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,800
want.
Just please, please don't make

786
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,120
me like be the gin the whole
movie because he is not the gin

787
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,240
for a lot of it.
Like you almost feel like he

788
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:30,160
could do all of that work in a
couple days of shooting, which I

789
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,680
prefer.
Like I actually kind of prefer

790
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,840
it in human form.
It's just it's just because in

791
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,760
partly is because of the facial
tics.

792
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,720
Like I said last time, he looks
like Seth MacFarlane, who's like

793
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,720
seeing a lot of shit go down
like that is what he.

794
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,880
I say that's accurate.
Well, and and see, and that's

795
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,720
the thing again, like that's
that's really what Divov adds.

796
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,320
It's not like because again,
like in the next movie, like

797
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,160
Novak, I think he's fine as the
gin, but you never see Novak in

798
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,680
his human form.
It's always the gin played by

799
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,000
different actors, which I think
was always meant to be the case

800
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,280
for the fact that they give the
gin this ability to take faces

801
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,760
and assume I days.
So they just, they just struck

802
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,880
gold with Divov to where they
were like, we got to get him to

803
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,720
be in the human form again, even
though he again doesn't need to.

804
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:21,280
Be as much as like.
I don't want to spoil what I'm

805
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,000
sure is the masterpiece that is
Wish Master 3.

806
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,960
Is it meant to be like a
different Gin?

807
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,480
I that's a good question that
that is, I had a theory because

808
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,000
I watched the series originally.
I did like a whole watch thread

809
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,680
on Twitter.
So like you can go back and if

810
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,240
you want to see my like initial
reactions.

811
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,840
But I did have the theory that
I'm like, because at first they

812
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960
make it seem like it's the same
gin, but then there are clues

813
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,600
that it could be a different
gin.

814
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,000
So it is, you know, kind of
Spidey there.

815
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,480
But again, it's like devolve
adds so much like cuz he does do

816
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,440
the he is also the one in the
makeup for this, but he adds so

817
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,720
much more in that human form
that again, like they kind of,

818
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,880
you know, skirt around their own
thing that they set up or he's

819
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,640
like, you know, to be this body
hopper.

820
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,160
But again, he's just like, you
know, the gin's just like, I

821
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,720
like this guy's face.
I like them baby blue eyes.

822
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,520
And I love how he keeps his
thing of wearing suits.

823
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,880
As soon as he gets out of prison
he goes and gets himself a good

824
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,560
suit before they go to the club.
Yeah, and I mean it, it makes

825
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,720
sense for Divov just as an actor
because I mean, you know, at

826
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,920
this point, like you've come a
long way from your your little

827
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,680
bit role-playing a monster in
Neon Maniacs.

828
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,480
You know, like now you're now
you're the star.

829
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Like you are the the horror
franchise icon.

830
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Like, why wouldn't you want to
be, you know, out of the make up

831
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,920
and getting to just perform the
whole time?

832
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,840
But again, I just really want to
know what inspires this

833
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,040
particular performance.
Frozen.

834
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,960
Smile is definitely it's UN
because it's not even it's just

835
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,960
like it pulls you out of it.
Do you know what I?

836
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,480
Mean it's the it's the the scene
that got me with it is whenever,

837
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,120
whenever.
Fuck, what Pastor Gregory, when

838
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,200
he goes to see the gin in prison
because she's like, you got to

839
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,840
see his, like, you just got to
see him like you, you know, when

840
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,480
you see it, you know, And then
he's just like, oh, this guy is

841
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,880
not of this world.
And he's just like, he just sits

842
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,440
down across from the gym with
this horrified look.

843
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,320
And it's just Andrew DeVos
smiling.

844
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,200
And it's a really funny exchange
that they have.

845
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,520
It was and like it.
Takes you out of it, but it's

846
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,400
fun.
It's really funny.

847
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,280
I like because, again, one of
his cheekier remarks.

848
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,520
When Gregory's like, he's like,
he's like, oh, what are you, the

849
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,160
devil?
And he's like, you got the wrong

850
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:44,720
guy.
Yeah.

851
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,760
Well, so Speaking of that, I
have to mention this is like

852
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,560
this was another thing that I
felt like made its way in the

853
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,160
horror a lot, especially in
1999.

854
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,240
I mean, you had so many
religious horror films that year

855
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,760
from like Stigmata and
Resurrection and End of Days,

856
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,320
like.
Yeah, that was like

857
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,960
Schwarzenegger as well, right?
Yeah, so it was like a big

858
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
theme.
Though I mean, turn of the

859
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,640
century, new millennia, right?
And that was the year of Y2K and

860
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,200
thinking like when the clock
strikes midnight, everybody is

861
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,080
like the clocks, the computer
clocks are going to roll over

862
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,880
and not handle it and planes are
going to fall from the sky like,

863
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,040
and none of that.
Obviously, and none of it

864
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,840
happened, thank God, but we we
all thought it did at the time.

865
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,360
But but, but you know, so you
had a lot of that working into

866
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,400
horror at the time.
And I just, I just found it so

867
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,640
funny how you have this priest
character who is referring to

868
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,720
the wishmaster as the devil.
And the witchmaster is flat out

869
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,600
like, no, that's not, that's not
me.

870
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,080
And he just insists like, no,
you're the devil.

871
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,280
Like my religion owns
everything.

872
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,600
He holds up a.
Crucifix at one point like the

873
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Jinnah's entire and it's like,
bro, come on, what do we?

874
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,680
It's like wrong religion man.
Like, come on, what are we?

875
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,280
Doing and again he he like fakes
the like and then just reveals

876
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,360
that smile again like he really
was milking that smile like it's

877
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,320
so funny.
Speaking of funny, let's talk

878
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:22,760
about Hastika a little bit then,
because like played by Vito

879
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,560
Ruginus, and I'm probably
mispronouncing that, but Hostic

880
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,720
is fascinating a because he's
hilarious.

881
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,360
Like, who doesn't need like a
little Russian sidekick in all

882
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,400
of these movies?
Like fucking phenomenal.

883
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,040
You know?
I feel like David Harbour is

884
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,040
taking notes before he goes to
play his character in

885
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,800
Thunderbolts.
Like taking notes from Haastika

886
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,480
here and how to play.
Wait, who are?

887
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:50,560
You what?
The Russians.

888
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,400
Saying Krutchkov, you mean?
Am I saying the wrong?

889
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,920
Who are you even?
Saying the wrong character I I

890
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,600
To be fair, I.
Didn't you literally just

891
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,400
made-up a Russian name?
His name is Krutchkov.

892
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,280
I think it's I'm looking at.
I am.

893
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,840
OB Krutchkov.
Really.

894
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,120
Is it?
Oh well.

895
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,200
I I think it might list them as
Hostica on IMDb though.

896
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480
List them as Hostica.
Oh, in the movie he's crutch

897
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,160
call.
Why is there a different name on

898
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,200
IMDb?
I have no idea.

899
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,960
I was like why?
Who are you talking?

900
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Just making up Russian names I.
Thought I was having a stroke

901
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,720
for a thing.
I was like, what are you should

902
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,960
say?
And I'm sitting over here like,

903
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,800
yeah, that's probably it sounds
Russian enough.

904
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,640
The fact that you remembered his
name is amazing though, because

905
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,800
like I, I'm bad at remembering
character.

906
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,280
Well, I was finishing the movie
like we're literally right

907
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,680
before we start recording.
OK, got it.

908
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,200
But, you know, a, we all want
like a little Russian sidekick,

909
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,560
but like, for whatever reason,
like the gin is like, you know,

910
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,960
everyone who makes a wish, I'm
going to like fuck with them

911
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,920
right away.
But he takes this guy under his

912
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,200
wing and even gives him like a
kind of gives him a second wish

913
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,720
in some ways too.
He's like, you know, you're my

914
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,680
little buddy, like I'm going to
look out for you.

915
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,520
Why do we think the Jinn does
that?

916
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,280
Like what does he see in this
guy that he's like, I could use

917
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,360
a pal.
So, so look here, OSAP, he's

918
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,080
been out in the world.
He's been, you know, apparently

919
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,160
he like killed some folk he's in
with, You know, he's like kind

920
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,680
of like a like kind of like
Lieutenant level in the mob.

921
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,280
Like he's not like a big guy,
but he's like, he's a little up

922
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,560
there.
But I like his, like his

923
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,040
frankness whenever he's like
kind of asking the jinn about

924
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,560
his philosophy and, and like,
and OSAP's like, look, I've seen

925
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,880
the fucking, you know, the
reality and humanity and like,

926
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,240
you know the thing, the, the
evil that people do, the greed

927
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,000
that people have.
He's like, I get it.

928
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,560
And he's like, he's like, if
there's an exchange of goods and

929
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,400
services, like whatever he's
like, so he's like, I don't care

930
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,680
what you want to do, man.
He's like, I'm like, he's like,

931
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,640
it sounds like it is more
realistic to him in a way in

932
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,960
like kind of his thinking.
So like, I don't know, I, I

933
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,080
think the Jin's like, oh, this
guy kind of kind of gets it.

934
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,840
And he's like, he's like, he
kind of gets it.

935
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,240
He's helping me out.
Like, and he's, you know, and I

936
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,920
think it all worked out for him.
So like, yeah, I think he did

937
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,160
like just kind of take a liking
to him just being like, you

938
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,440
know, like this guy, like he may
be a, he may be a killer, he may

939
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,880
be a, you know, a felon.
He may be all of these things,

940
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000
but like, he's a realist and
like he's like fuck it,

941
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,400
whatever.
Right.

942
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,240
I'd like that he also has like
the which seems like a pretty

943
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,800
smart idea.
Like oh if Morgana is the only

944
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,400
person that can like grant the
three who can make the 3 wishes

945
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,640
to.
Which is the one wish thing a

946
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,920
thing in the first film?
I don't remember.

947
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,440
Yeah so everyone can get one
wish for one soul, but to

948
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,520
unleash the jinn it has to be
the the person that released

949
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,640
from the Opal has to make their
3 wishes I.

950
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,560
Don't think they have like I
need 1000 souls.

951
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,600
That was not a part of the first
one.

952
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,560
Yeah, yeah, that was new.
Just wants.

953
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,960
To up his game, it's kind of.
I mean, hey, Vegas numbers,

954
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,000
whatever.
But yeah, I mean like damn,

955
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,560
that's a big jump from like I
just need 3 wishes from this one

956
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,960
person to like OK, 1000 wishes
before that.

957
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,520
Jinns, that's a lot of work.
This would have been the time

958
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,320
when like arcades are still
around.

959
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,880
Like do you think the Jinns have
like a soul collecting thing

960
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,840
like Frogger and he's looking at
the high score and he's like, I

961
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,520
just want to put my high score
count in and type in AS.

962
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,520
S He's got like the Hall of Fame
thing.

963
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,040
Well, actually, again, to kind
of tease these later entries, he

964
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,600
does start getting fed up with
the Jinn bureaucracy and is the

965
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,120
whole like this whole, yeah,
he's like all these

966
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,640
stipulations, he starts getting
fed up with it later.

967
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,040
So like so, this does develop a
little bit actually.

968
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,360
He's like Michael Douglas and
Falling Down.

969
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,480
That's amazing.
How long ago did you watch 3:00

970
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,040
and 4:00?
So I got to be honest, like I

971
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,440
just remember hating.
Them back in September October,

972
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,880
cuz I was doing it for
Hooptober.

973
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Gotcha.
It was in spooky season.

974
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,200
So yeah still still fairly
recent.

975
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,960
He does start getting fed up
with the gin bureaucracy have

976
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,800
been like hey, there's all these
amendments to the prophecy.

977
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,480
You know that he he gets annoyed
with.

978
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,000
Gotcha.
This was the first step.

979
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,640
Khrushchev or Hasika or whatever
his name is.

980
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,040
He does have the smart idea
about Morgana.

981
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,800
Like well, if she's not alive to
make these wishes then you know

982
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,720
the prophecy won't come true.
So what if I just put two in her

983
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,560
chest right now?
Which unfortunately doesn't

984
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,800
really help because for some
reason she's protected.

985
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,840
Like I don't understand how that
works either.

986
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,400
Except it's a movie.
And.

987
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,920
It's definitely a rule change
from the first one because I was

988
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,400
again, I was just watching that
this morning.

989
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,040
And with with the protagonist in
that one, he has the whole thing

990
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,680
towards the end where he's like,
I don't need to, I don't need

991
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,360
for you to be dead to make your
wishes.

992
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,520
Sir.
I don't remember how he phrases

993
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,280
it, but he's like but he but he
basically implies like I can

994
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,480
make you wish you were dead.
Yes.

995
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,320
By, like, inflicting pain on her
and everything, which is a

996
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,480
terrifying concept because it's
like, of course you're going to

997
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,760
wish it would end.
So yeah, you kind of wonder why

998
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,160
he didn't just go that route
again.

999
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Well, and that's a Jack Shoulder
thing.

1000
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,400
Like not to harp on him saying
him talking about him way more

1001
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,480
than I thought we would, but
like in in A Nightmare on Elm

1002
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Street 2, like he takes the
rules of the first movie and

1003
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,240
just throws them out the window.
He's like, no, like Freddie's

1004
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,800
not going to haunt your dreams.
He's like going to do this

1005
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,200
better.
Yeah, he's like Wes Craven

1006
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,760
Schmaven.
Who cares?

1007
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,800
He's like, what if like instead
Freddie just manipulates.

1008
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,720
You know that cool thing that
Freddy is known for, For

1009
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,960
attacking people in dreams?
What if he didn't do that?

1010
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,880
What if he was just a real guy
again?

1011
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,360
Like Jack Shoulder is totally
like the kid in kindergarten who

1012
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280
drew like a shitty picture of an
apple and was like, this is a

1013
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,960
fucking masterpiece.
Like like no kid is ever going

1014
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,640
to do better than this.
Mom put every piece of artwork

1015
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,680
he ever, so the fridge is
covered with pictures of his

1016
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,600
apples and they're all brilliant
and she's never taken them down.

1017
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Like no one's ever told Jack
Shoulder no.

1018
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,240
So it's just I do what I want.
Right.

1019
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:36,640
And and I will say like, you
know, well, I may not love him

1020
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,400
as much as a person.
To his credit as a director

1021
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,040
doing sequels, I do appreciate
that he kind of throws out the

1022
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,280
rules a little bit and kind of
does his own thing because, you

1023
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,560
know, to me, I think that's what
makes sequels more interesting

1024
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,520
is kind of when they're their
own sort of film.

1025
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,560
But it just, you know, in this
case, it's like you are throwing

1026
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,800
out a lot that worked really
well.

1027
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,880
Yeah, the first time around.
So.

1028
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,600
Well, what also, oh, we have,
you know, before we leave the

1029
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,720
prison, can we just talk about
Double Dragon like so?

1030
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,400
So how would I refer to the
twin?

1031
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,600
Like what is happening?
It was awesome.

1032
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,960
So.
Random, so much fun.

1033
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,120
Just like what if we had these,
the double mint twins and

1034
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,320
they're going to all of a sudden
like it's Larusso and it's like

1035
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,640
the Cobra Kai for like 2
minutes.

1036
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,880
Here, well, you can't say twin
dragon, that'd be copyright.

1037
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,800
So they are listed as James and
Simon Tiger, the Tiger twins

1038
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,360
instead.
So you can't go twin dragon.

1039
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:44,360
But yeah, it's I'm OK, I'm OK.
So random, so funny.

1040
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:49,640
I love OK.
This is where the gin I think he

1041
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,720
sold himself short on this
moment where the Tiger Twins

1042
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,280
gang up on Butts, played by
Rhino Michaels.

1043
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,640
Lol what a name.
Where did they find these

1044
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,760
people?
This is amazing.

1045
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,160
But he goes, he's like I would.
He's like, I want to be fucked

1046
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,560
up.
He's like, I want to be tore up

1047
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,360
from the floor up.
It put me into the ground.

1048
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,360
I was like, all right, you have
all these options.

1049
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,680
What are you going to do, Jen?
Are you going to make him flat

1050
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,680
and, like, onto the ground?
Are you gonna, you know, RIP his

1051
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,680
skin from his ankles at like,
what?

1052
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,800
What are you gonna do?
And it's instead get beat up by

1053
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,280
the, the the twins?
I was like that.

1054
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Come on, Gin, What are you doing
here?

1055
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,880
Yeah, it's like funny, but it's
underwhelming, right?

1056
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,120
Like.
Yeah, it's funny, but it's like

1057
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,000
you had a lot of options here
Gin on how you can twist all

1058
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,440
those things, he said.
Cuz the gin is just like smiling

1059
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,120
at all the ridiculous things
he's saying.

1060
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,160
He's like, yeah.
And I was like, all right, fuck

1061
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,160
them up, Jen.
And it doesn't quite do it.

1062
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,760
It's one of the it's one of the
like unfortunate things about

1063
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,960
this sequel in the later ones is
that to me, like, you know,

1064
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,240
certain horror franchises just
call for a decent budget, right?

1065
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,960
And Witch Master is one of those
like, you know, this isn't this

1066
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,920
isn't Halloween where you can
just stab a bunch of people with

1067
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,880
a butcher knife and you're good.
Like you just, you want to see

1068
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,320
these elaborate wishes play out
and, and it's so it just, it's

1069
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,040
always kind of shocking to me
that like they took this and

1070
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,920
they're like, OK, we're going to
give you half the budget for

1071
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,560
this.
And then for three and four,

1072
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,680
we're like, OK, we're going to
give you a fourth of the budget

1073
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,520
of 2.
And, and plus, I was reading the

1074
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,200
other day that Jason Jenkins
book Phantom Limbs raised

1075
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,160
interviews with like unmade
scripts and everything Devoff

1076
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,960
and Russell Gagnon originally
wanted to do Wishmaster 3, the

1077
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,200
third Millennium.
And it was going to be like this

1078
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,760
huge film involving like a World
War and all this kind of stuff

1079
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,360
that required like a massive
budget.

1080
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,120
And of course, the studio was
just flat out like hell no.

1081
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,440
To be fair, to be fair, like the
first one's a minor hit.

1082
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,640
Like it's not like the first one
is like tearing it up and the

1083
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,000
second one debuts on television.
So like, it's not like the

1084
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,000
studio was like, let's open up
the checkbook like no questions

1085
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,000
asked.
Like this isn't Marty Scorsese

1086
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,400
going to Apple going like I need
240 million to make Killers of

1087
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,160
the Flower moon.
And Tim Cook is like, you know

1088
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,480
what, Uncle Marty, here you go,
brother.

1089
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,720
You do what you need to do.
You're going to get shut out by

1090
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,120
Oppenheimer.
An award season, but we don't

1091
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,600
care because it's the.
Growing and and and see, this is

1092
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,720
unfortunate too, that I think
this is, you know, it's

1093
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,720
obviously not only behind as far
as like just a little bit behind

1094
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,240
DVD and stuff, but a little bit
too early for like something

1095
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,200
like a crowdfund or something.
Because like, if you know, Div

1096
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,600
off and people are like, all
right, we're gonna make

1097
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Wishmaster 3 this big epic.
Here's how you can contribute

1098
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,760
on, you know, crowd, you know,
on Kickstarter, you know, like

1099
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,160
could totally, you know, happen.
But yeah, for them to after this

1100
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,880
movie to be like, OK, we want to
make the biggest 1 yet.

1101
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,840
It's like.
Yeah, it was, it was never, it

1102
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,440
was never going to happen.
And and I totally understand why

1103
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:12,760
the budget was cutting half for
this.

1104
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,640
Again, though, it's just that
unfortunate thing of like what

1105
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,960
these movies could be if they
had a little more money, you

1106
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,160
know?
Especially anything that's like

1107
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,640
in the fantasy realm, like
anything like you, like you

1108
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,680
said, it's not like Halloween,
just a guy with a butcher knife

1109
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,840
or even a Friday the 13th or
it's like, well, he's a zombie

1110
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,480
killer, but it's still pretty
basic stuff.

1111
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,600
It's like more like an Elm
Street where it goes into the

1112
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,760
fantastical.
And you do like in the first

1113
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,040
movie with K&B, you get like all
of these wonderful effects, like

1114
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,120
the ray, you get the like the
tribute to all the stop motion

1115
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,280
horror with like the skeleton
bursting out of its skin.

1116
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,800
And here you get that once as
opposed to a half dozen times.

1117
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,920
And it's not like the effects
are poor in this movie, but

1118
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,240
they're.
Just well, they just don't get

1119
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,040
to do him.
They just don't get to do it as

1120
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,560
often because like in this one,
you at least I'll say they like

1121
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,920
saved it for like the right.
There's some of the right

1122
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,640
moments because like you can
see, obviously they put a good

1123
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,000
chunk of money into his
reanimation like whenever the

1124
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,960
whole thing him coming out of
the wall and that public.

1125
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,000
Crawling towards him.
I love his face in the wall when

1126
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:28,280
he's just like, incredible.
Incredible So it's like I like

1127
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,280
so they, you know, put money
into that part they put a little

1128
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,280
bit into some like, you know
they they sprinkle them in.

1129
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,760
It's unfortunate though, because
like at the end when it's, you

1130
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,240
know, it's supposed to be like
the, you know, all hell breaks

1131
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,800
loose in the casino.
This is supposed to be like the

1132
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,280
big showcase, you know, and you
compared to like the opening of

1133
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,200
the first, you know, Wishmaster
movie.

1134
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,320
You know, there's not quite as
many like individual moments in

1135
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,200
that that that one just has a
lot of like random stuff

1136
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,360
happening.
Don't get me wrong, there's a

1137
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,160
few really good stuff in that
like kind of chaos sequence, but

1138
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,600
again, it's not on the level of
having like these like really

1139
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,200
specific individual and the
chaos like.

1140
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,040
Popping through the wall, like
the face popping out of the wall

1141
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,600
is like very similar again, like
Elm Street 2, like Freddie

1142
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,160
popping out of Freddie, popping
out of Jesse's chest like that

1143
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,920
kind of splitting open like it's
him going back to what works and

1144
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,880
it is pretty cool.
Let's talk the casino because

1145
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,000
that is a really fun set piece.
Like, oh, that's a great idea.

1146
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,960
Like let's set this chaos here
in both films and with like a

1147
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,080
bit wishmaster one and two end
with these larger set pieces.

1148
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,720
But I feel like, you know, you
can't make it look like The MGM

1149
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:49,120
or Caesar's, but it's still like
a pretty fun little sequence

1150
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,400
here with like all of the
especially they're all old

1151
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,800
people that are just playing
craps on a Tuesday.

1152
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,000
Also shout out Bokeem Woodbine.
Love seeing my boy pop up in

1153
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,320
here.
I totally forgot about him and I

1154
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,160
was.
Like oh shit, my God I could

1155
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,920
not.
Oh, he's, you know, he's been a

1156
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,200
character actor in a lot of
stuff.

1157
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,960
I mean, he was, he plays a
fathead in Ray.

1158
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,600
He's really great in that.
But he's in other stuff like

1159
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,520
Jason's Lyric.
He was in like 1 of the Spider

1160
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,920
Man movies, like whatever.
But he's a he's been a steady

1161
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,480
working actor for a long time
and it's nice seeing him pop up

1162
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,360
in this.
Yeah, well, it's for the Vegas

1163
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,640
scene, you know, Speaking of the
grin again, I just love the

1164
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,520
moment.
Where the Wishmaster first gets

1165
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,680
there and he's kind of like
taking in the place, and then he

1166
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,800
sees some guy playing craps and
like, come on, you know, show me

1167
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,120
the money or whatever the hell,
he says.

1168
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,040
And he just gets like, the grin
gets even bigger where he's just

1169
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,480
like catching.
Catching.

1170
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,480
So here is my question on.
I have two questions.

1171
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:57,200
And #1 can the pit boss, like,
speak for the house?

1172
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,440
Meaning he's like, yeah, the
house wants people to win.

1173
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,440
And it's like, well, the house
is not like a person.

1174
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,120
The house is like the building.
It's the casino itself.

1175
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,720
So does the pit master have the
authority to speak for the whole

1176
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,000
house?
And then two, the House is

1177
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,120
making if, let's say we take
that to the Supreme Court, we

1178
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,960
exhaust our appeals and the
Supreme Court rules that, yes,

1179
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,720
the pitmaster can speak for the
House.

1180
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,880
The House is like it's, you
know, the precursor to Citizens

1181
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,280
United, Like.
Mike, are you really questioning

1182
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,640
the legality of a casino that is
obviously dirty just?

1183
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,520
Let me draw back on my gangster
years and I'll.

1184
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,520
I am almost there.
It's a precursor to Citizens

1185
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,840
United, where Mitt Romney
famously once said corporations

1186
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,280
are people too.
So you're saying the House is a

1187
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,240
person too?
The House makes a wish that we

1188
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,640
want people to win.
So that's it.

1189
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,080
Comes down 63 ruling on the side
of the conservatives, OK.

1190
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:03,080
However the people that are
playing did not out loud speak

1191
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,240
their wish.
They might have internalized

1192
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,400
that wish, but they have not
spoken aloud.

1193
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,480
I want to win.
So does he have?

1194
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:17,480
I would argue that the Jin does
not have the authority to take

1195
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,720
their souls.
I, I, I get where you're going

1196
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,680
with this, but again, this is
just kind of like throw the

1197
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,120
fucking rules out the window
sequence.

1198
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,200
You know, it's back.
It's back to the guard who says

1199
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,000
freeze again, right Where it's
just like.

1200
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,040
I'm a little concerned that you
don't want to consider the legal

1201
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,360
implications.
So I'm thinking because what I'm

1202
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,400
thinking is statistically,
statistically speaking, what are

1203
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,880
some of the phrases you say when
you're gambling?

1204
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,800
You say like you are pleading
for luck, you are wishing for

1205
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,160
money and luck.
So, so the on.

1206
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,520
So even if they didn't
explicitly agree it to it, the

1207
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,960
Jin's face, I think if he makes
this set this presence for this,

1208
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,920
yeah, mass wish, people are
gonna inadvertently be like,

1209
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,400
yeah, show me the money.
That's a wish like, you know.

1210
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,560
He's like a wish.
I get the sense.

1211
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,800
Territory here though, I feel
like these are now thought

1212
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,040
crimes and you're now losing
your soul over just, I don't

1213
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,120
know, I'm not sure.
Well, I get, you know, I mean

1214
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,800
the wishmaster is certainly
like, he's certainly like a

1215
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,280
narcissist, right?
So you got to feel like every

1216
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,480
person around him being like,
Oh, I, you know, I, I want this

1217
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,800
or that.
Like he's just like, oh, they're

1218
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,760
talking to me.
Like, of course they're wishing

1219
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:36,120
me.
So I don't know if that answers

1220
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,040
the legality of of said case,
but.

1221
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,600
Again, if if he if the gym is
going to go anywhere to bend the

1222
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,560
rules, you know, I do like the
choice of this being a thing.

1223
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,600
Again, this could also be its
own movie.

1224
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,360
Like if he really got in with
like the crooked casino business

1225
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,680
and stuff, that could be a whole
Wishmaster movie.

1226
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,800
When they show him sitting up in
the office in the chair with

1227
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,960
like the big horns and
everything, it's all red lit.

1228
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,000
I'm like, this is totally its
own film.

1229
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,880
Like this could be its own
thing.

1230
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,320
This could be its own television
show.

1231
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,760
You have like evil Genie that is
like granting wishes at a

1232
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,400
casino.
Like I don't know if either of

1233
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,640
you ever watched like the Friday
the 13th TV series, which I

1234
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,840
loved growing up and it had
nothing to do with the movies.

1235
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,840
It was like the haunted like
antique store where they all the

1236
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,800
objects were cursed.
Like you could totally do

1237
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,560
something like that on the
Sci-fi Channel or USA.

1238
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,240
I would love A wish Master
series yeah Wish of the week

1239
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,400
casino and.
Then after the casino exhaust

1240
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,440
itself, then maybe like, I don't
know, he becomes like a

1241
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,440
traveling preacher for a season
and he's like doing.

1242
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,720
I mean, he can, he can totally
be like a priest in a church

1243
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,200
and.
Traveling Preacher Gin would go

1244
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,960
so hard.
Oh man.

1245
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,680
Totally make this work.
You know we could talk miracles,

1246
01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:59,640
wishes, right?
Oh.

1247
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,480
Man, you're cooking my.
Hated my ideas so much now Devon

1248
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,640
is all I'm saying is like oh.
You're cooking.

1249
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:06,960
I'm.
That's in money.

1250
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,680
I'm.
In right here this is the.

1251
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,440
Money.
You're making all these great

1252
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,600
ideas and they're just going to
be so disappointed with 3:00 and

1253
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:18,240
4:00.
Go Speaking of money shots, we

1254
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,080
have to talk about the most
insane scene of this movie.

1255
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,560
I'm surprised we made it.
I'm surprised we made it this

1256
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,040
far without talking about.
I wish my lawyer would go fuck

1257
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,319
himself well.
Thank God, how did I forget?

1258
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,240
You know, take.
It I would.

1259
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,920
I mean, I remember watching it
for the first time again, if you

1260
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:43,279
go to my original watch thread,
I was screaming during a scene

1261
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,680
because this is just absolutely
insane.

1262
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,600
Again, this is like a classic of
like when you're writing a

1263
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,680
script and you're going, OK, I
got the gin.

1264
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,399
He grants wishes.
He twists people's words.

1265
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,319
What are some things I can twist
to, you know, make for an

1266
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,840
interesting And he goes with
this.

1267
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:07,359
It's just so crazy the whole
like the the the actor, I don't

1268
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:11,439
know who the lawyer is, but he
is selling the shit out of this.

1269
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,399
Like bless him for selling this
scene.

1270
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,040
Like imagine going on set and
they go, all right, so this is

1271
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,160
what this is what we're doing
today.

1272
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,279
Let's go ahead and get a body
cast of your legs real quick,

1273
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,760
because you're going to fuck
yourself in the ass to death.

1274
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,040
What is?
What do we think?

1275
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,560
Insane.
What do we think he's feeling at

1276
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,359
first when like before he yeah,
he's like, he's the fucking

1277
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:35,160
himself.
So.

1278
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,880
It's him getting like a
murderous boner is what's

1279
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,840
happening and it and is like I,
I imagine his like.

1280
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,080
And it's like really like his
Dick is like stretching.

1281
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,439
And yeah, stretching backwards,
OK.

1282
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,760
And then you see his legs go
back and his feet turn the other

1283
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,040
way.
See.

1284
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,680
But I I have a very important
question is did he fuck himself

1285
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:57,560
to death?
Yeah.

1286
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,320
'Cause we we never, but we never
really get an answer.

1287
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:03,920
Did he die?
I, I he's gonna wish that he

1288
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,440
well, he's gonna die in the soul
collection.

1289
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:07,560
Maybe I don't.
Know what?

1290
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,440
Does he just revert dead?
Does he just revert back to how

1291
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:13,320
he was and was like well.
No, you, you never go back to

1292
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,880
that.
Yeah, you never go back after

1293
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,320
that.
Like you're he is a new person

1294
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,680
after that.
I mean, if you could just go

1295
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,120
back to your original form, I
would never leave the house.

1296
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,960
Like, like this is the dream
right here.

1297
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,360
So.
It's insanity.

1298
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,680
Like whoever came up with this
scene is insanity.

1299
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,680
Great.
I also love what's his face the

1300
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,560
prisoner who's just like what
about my case like a man is.

1301
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,840
Fucking himself.
And then there's the other and

1302
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,160
then there's the other officer
that is just watching stone face

1303
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,400
and not doing anything, like not
saying anything.

1304
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,480
Everyone's reactions are, it's
just.

1305
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,200
It's just a normal day for him,
you know, See it all the time.

1306
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,840
I don't, I don't think we're
gonna top that.

1307
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,520
I really.
So any final thoughts?

1308
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,480
I think we're good on Witch
Master 2.

1309
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,640
Nah, I mean, this was again,
this is silly.

1310
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,760
This is silly Goose time for
sure.

1311
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,320
Many, many just very funny
things about this movie.

1312
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,840
And yeah, it's a it's a, you
know, it's it's the classic case

1313
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,640
of a sequel where they want to
go a little crazier, don't quite

1314
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,680
have the means to do it.
So then they're like, well,

1315
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,120
let's just be weirder then is
kind of what this one does.

1316
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,920
So it's a little shabbier.
And the third act is Oh my God.

1317
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,840
So I rolly like the whole
crucifixion stuff.

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01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,880
So now you're pure because you
save the OR whatever.

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,760
Like the the third, the finale
sucks, unfortunately so, but

1320
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,440
like at the end of the day.
At the end of the day, though,

1321
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:57,080
this is still like just like
stupid entertainment, like this

1322
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,520
is a fun stupid time and and I
appreciate it.

1323
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,440
I mean, yeah, I'm not mad at it.
I can't help but enjoy it.

1324
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,600
Yeah, it's, you know, it's a
film that, for better and worse,

1325
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,040
knows what it is, right.
Like, I mean, you have the whole

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01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,840
moment where the Wishmaster says
evil never dies.

1327
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,280
The the tagline of the film,
like, you know, it's like it, it

1328
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,960
knows what it is.
Jack Shoulder approaches it with

1329
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,280
a just like give no shits.
I'm just going to have a fun

1330
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,320
time kind of attitude, which I
think is the right approach for

1331
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,440
a sequel like this.
That's half the budget where

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01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,880
you're just the sillier that
you.

1333
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,760
And it's a silly concept in and
of itself.

1334
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,520
And I think just the more you
play it up, the better for it it

1335
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,320
is.
But yeah, just, you know, just

1336
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,440
unfortunate that it didn't quite
have the money to maybe amp up

1337
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:50,680
that finale a little bit.
Go ahead.

1338
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,160
Yeah, yeah.
It makes the most of what it has

1339
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,360
and like I said, like at the
outset, like Holly Fields is

1340
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:03,920
Morgana like until they make her
the church girl like just really

1341
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,160
fun final girl performance for
the 1st 2/3 of it.

1342
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:11,440
Not what you typically see in a
final girl in terms of that that

1343
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:15,760
really like kind of like goth
punk look, you know, which I

1344
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,880
don't know.
I thought you look great to hear

1345
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:23,040
the the deep red makeup, like
the all the shit kicker combat

1346
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,000
boots with all black.
Like I'm into it.

1347
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,400
Like give me a road movie with
her and like Sally from wrong

1348
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,720
turn 6 and the, you know, just
I'm all over it like I would.

1349
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,040
Yeah.
I think, I think that's what's

1350
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,440
disappointing about her arc,
right?

1351
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:41,080
Is that like she is so kind of
unique for a final girl in a

1352
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,680
film like this.
Up until the 3rd actor, it's

1353
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,720
like, ah damn it.
Like we were so close.

1354
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,800
And it's a fun throwback monster
movie.

1355
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,240
So, well, that's it on Wish
Master too.

1356
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,520
So why don't we take a couple
minutes to plug where you can

1357
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,760
find all of us and we're out,
Matt, where can folks find you?

1358
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,840
And like, what sites and other
artistic stuff do you want to

1359
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,120
tell everyone about?
Yes, you can find me on Blue Sky

1360
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,720
at where Matt?
Not on Twitter and anymore

1361
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,840
because fuck them.
And let's see.

1362
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,520
You can find a lot of my reviews
that I do on

1363
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,680
killerheartbreak.com.
I also occasionally write for

1364
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,160
Dread Central.
I have a or a column at Manor

1365
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,200
Vellum and I do occasionally
work with Aero Video and

1366
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:34,160
Umbrella Entertainment.
I just had a couple sets of Thai

1367
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,600
Horror Collection and a new
release of Shutter that Umbrella

1368
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,720
just put out that I worked on.
So you know, I'll plug those.

1369
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,320
Go check that those out if you
can.

1370
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,880
And that's it.
Very cool, would love to have

1371
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,800
you back on man.
Take a look at the list and see

1372
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,520
what looks good.
Yeah, I know.

1373
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,400
It's been a blast.
Thanks for having me, guys.

1374
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:53,200
Oh.
Free.

1375
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,160
Will see if we have any classier
films though next time.

1376
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,240
Devonne, how about yourself?
What's coming up with both your

1377
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,840
shows?
Yeah, you can find me at all the

1378
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,600
usual places at Under Score,
Daddy Disco on Blue Sky,

1379
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,760
Instagram, Letterbox, Over on
Spectra Cinema Club, we are

1380
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,400
celebrating my birth month.
I mean, we're doing that here

1381
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:15,960
too 'cause this was also my
choice.

1382
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,000
But we are doing films focusing
on their scores, soundtracks and

1383
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,520
sound designs.
We just did a really great

1384
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,080
recording with Mr. Brian Kuiper
talking the changeling and so we

1385
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,120
have a really great conversation
on that coming up.

1386
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:37,040
And then over on Tainted Love,
we just dropped an episode on on

1387
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,320
Bones and all, and coming up we
have a very extra horny episode

1388
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,800
on Crash.
So that's gonna be a really fun

1389
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,560
conversation as well.
So you can find Spectre Cinema

1390
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,280
Club new episodes every Tuesday,
Tainted Love every other

1391
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,320
Wednesday at Tainted Love pod on
social media at Spectre Cinema.

1392
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,200
Excellent, folks.
You can find me at Mike Snooney

1393
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,320
and over on Blue Sky.
Again, not on Twitter at all

1394
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,160
because fuck those guys.
You can find me at Instagram at

1395
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,560
the same and letterbox at
Mikechumpchange, which is really

1396
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,040
where I'd like people to follow
me.

1397
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,480
I'm not a huge social media
person.

1398
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,120
Follow the show at Pod and
Pendulum on Blue Sky.

1399
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,760
Same over on Instagram.
Make sure you visit

1400
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oursite@podandthependulum.com
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1401
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,920
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1402
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:33,600
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1405
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:45,360
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1406
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01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:59,800
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1409
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1410
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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,840
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1413
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,160
Just a little.
Sorry, did mean to give you a

1414
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,320
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My bad.

1415
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,920
But so send those to us because
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01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,120
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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,600
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1418
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01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,640
have tiers starting as low as 2
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1422
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,920
stuff on there.
Brian is recording I think early

1423
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,960
next week, Our last episode on
the Nosferatu films.

1424
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:59,840
Robert Eggers 2024 Nosferatu.
All the other Nosferatto films

1425
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,480
including Shadow of the Vampire
are up now on our patron page.

1426
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,680
Ari has her whole series on I
Spit on Your Grave, where she

1427
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,280
covered each of those films and
did a whole episode just as an

1428
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,560
overview in the rape revenge
subgenera.

1429
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,200
This summer.
It's going to we're going back

1430
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,800
to the future for the 40th
anniversary of one of the

1431
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,800
greatest sci-fi fantasy series
of all time to celebrate its

1432
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,280
40th anniversary.
We'll be doing our like typical

1433
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,760
deep dive that we do with like
the foundational horror movies,

1434
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,680
but doing it in something we
normally wouldn't cover here.

1435
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:40,760
And we have so many like over
almost like 75 to 80 hours of

1436
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,400
content that's already up there,
a lot of one off episodes.

1437
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,640
So again, patreon.com pod of the
pendulum as a way to support the

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01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,960
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Here's what we have coming up

1439
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,920
here.
Next two weeks.

1440
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,800
We've got two more Wishmaster
films to get through Wishmaster

1441
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,000
3 and 4.
After that, we're taking a

1442
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,680
little detour because Final
Destinations Bloodlines is out

1443
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,640
now in theaters and it looks
like it's going to be the

1444
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,520
biggest opening of any of the
Final Destination movies.

1445
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,440
It is a blast.
It is one of the most fun

1446
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,960
experiences I've had in a long
time in a theater.

1447
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:22,400
It is pure comedy gold.
And since we've already covered

1448
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,680
the rest of the series, we'll be
doing 1 episode on Bloodlines.

1449
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,720
We're going to follow that up
with a rankings episode.

1450
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,240
We'll probably do each of the
movies, probably do each of the

1451
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,280
opening, like ranking the
opening set piece kill sequences

1452
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:38,880
as well.
Like we'll probably go through

1453
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,880
that.
And then it is the summer of

1454
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,200
George.
We'll be doing all of the George

1455
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,480
Romero Dead films, all six of
those.

1456
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:52,880
And for good measure, we'll also
be covering Zack Snyder's 2004

1457
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:59,280
Dawn of the Dead reboots and the
1990 Tom Savini reimagining of

1458
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,320
Night of the Living Dead.
So we're really excited for

1459
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,080
that.
It's that should be kicking in

1460
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,880
around July on the main feed.
So that's why we're calling it

1461
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,600
the Summer of George.
And that is it, folks.

1462
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,760
We hope you've enjoyed this
episode.

1463
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,640
It has been a lot of fun.
Like it is light and breezy and

1464
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,640
like what you know?
We hope you've enjoyed it, we

1465
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,920
enjoy putting it together.
Have a great week everybody.