PREDATORS

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Hello everyone, and welcome to
the pod and the Pendulum.

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None.
We are the show that brings you

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all the horror movie franchises,
one movie and one episode at a

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time.
And this week we are heading

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into uncharted planetary
territory.

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Wow, I think I actually said
that without screwing it up with

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2000, not the 2025 movie, which
I guess is a very sad

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documentary about sex pest.
So not covering that one.

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Maybe for the patron, who knows.
And anyway whether?

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It's unofficial installment in
the series.

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Whether it's talking about
interplanetary hunters or sex

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pests, there are no two people
that I would rather have by my

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other side to discuss Movies.
What?

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What a I'm just riffing here.
I'm just.

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Riffing like this is off the top
of my head.

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Well, you.
Know I'm not accusing either any

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of us of being sex pests.
I'm saying that if we were to

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talk about sex pests, it would
be good.

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You know now our names are gonna
come up in some SEO so I'm.

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Gonna say Mike like I'm gonna
really watch list now, yeah.

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This is a little uncomfortable.
Not what I wanted for this

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afternoon.
You know my bad.

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Up first from the
Disenfranchised podcast as well

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as Wells you a podcast all about
the Life and Times of and

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filmmaking of Orson Welles and
our noted thespian who is this

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week on the stage, Mr. Steven
Foxworthy.

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Steven, how are you?
Doing well, Mike, I was about to

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say I feel at home here, but now
I'm not so sure.

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How I decided to make it
uncomfortable.

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Mike made it awkward.
If you're if you're doing the

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drinking game at home, take a
shot.

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We'll do the bingo cards.
We'll definitely get those

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going.
Also joining us from Bloody

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Disgusting Manor Vellum, as well
as the upcoming podcast Holy

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Terrors, a podcast all about the
intersection of religion and

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horror, Mr. Brian Kuiper And
gentlemen, if you want to use

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aliases going forward, just let
me know.

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Brian, how are we I.
Think that's a good idea?

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You know, being in education, in
my regular life, it might be

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wise.
Oh, boy.

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You know, five years ago that
things were going to take off

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the way they did.
I probably would have gone by an

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alias.
But what?

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It's too late now.
How can you know I am.

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I'm in the world under my real
name.

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Yes.
Thank you very.

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None of us own Vans.
None of us have trench coats,

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OK?
None of us know Chris Hansen on

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a first name basis.
That's what that week is about.

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It's about to Catch a Predator
and how that affected anyway.

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OK, that we're calling what it's
actually about so great.

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Now our names are going to come
up with to Catch a Predator and

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Chris Hansen.
We're fucked.

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Brian, how are we?
I'm doing great.

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I'm doing fine.
Excellent.

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I'm happy to be here talking to
you lovely gentleman about a

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movie that I have seen.
Excellent.

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It's scary season, folks.
It's, you know, all right, well,

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now that we've tipped our hand a
little bit how Brian feels about

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this one.
Brian, what are your initial

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thoughts on Predators?
OK, I actually think this

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movie's pretty decent.
It's it's fine.

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I I have a good time with it.
You know, Predator as a series

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is not is it's really hit and
miss for me.

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I love Prey from a few years
ago, but the first one, when I

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first saw it kind of freaked me
out, I think, and I've never

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really forgiven it for it, which
is strange.

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I was like, really into Arnold
Schwarzenegger when I first saw

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that movie, and I was like,
yeah, Running Man and Commando

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and super fun, you know, that
kind of.

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Stuff the first person to ever
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Yeah, Running man, in like a
really exciting way, I think.

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Fucking rules, dude, Come on.
That's it.

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That movie's fantastic.
It's fun, Richard.

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Dawson being a yeah, I like that
movie a lot.

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I'm saying it's terrible, but
I've never seen someone do

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carpets.
It's over it.

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It's a bad movie I love.
OK, it's fair.

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We've all got those.
We all have.

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Anyway, continue.
I apologize I no worries.

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But you know, I was into sort of
like fun Schwarzenegger.

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I mean, even Terminator, I
thought was kind of fun.

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But Predator, my dad rented it,
we put on Predator and the

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moment the skinned guys hanging
upside down in the trees

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happened, I was like absolutely
terrified, you know?

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And so I appreciate it.
I own it, I've watched it, but

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still it kind of that 10 year
old kid just kind of gets a

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little bit of a oogie feeling
when I watch that.

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I watched Predator 2 for the
first time the other day and it

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was also a movie that I've seen.
I saw Predators a long time ago

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and I actually remember it being
the one that's like, you know, I

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kind of like this.
It's it's got something to it.

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I mean, watching it now, I think
there are pluses and minuses to

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it.
I think that there's some really

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cool ideas, some really
interesting things, but also

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some things that don't make a
lot of sense to me.

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Maybe a little half baked, but
overall I think it's a pretty

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fun time at the movies.
So when I say it is a movie that

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I've seen, it's it's it's
better.

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Now when you saw the original
Predator, like when dad popped

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it in, because obviously this is
pre Internet and like you'd have

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been very young, like you would
have probably been like

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10:00-ish years old.
That's about right.

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Little young Did you know that
it was about like an alien that

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hunts men like a monster movie
or?

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I don't think so.
Were you so you were expecting

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like commando redox?
I was.

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Expecting Arnold Schwarzenegger
action hero commando style

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thing.
I think so the first. 30 minutes

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of the movie plays out like you
think.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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And fascinating.
Yeah.

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And then when it then when it
goes into, I mean, I thought the

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and man, when the monster took
off his helmet for the first

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time, I was like, I had never
seen anything like that before.

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And I was, I think I've
mentioned this.

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I was a pretty squeamish kid.
I was really prone to

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nightmares.
I I would watch little bits of

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movies at a time and one that
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aliens.
I would see moments of it.

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I mean like the dream sequence
where she dreams that the aliens

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coming out of her.
I stopped it.

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I was like, I can't go any
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You know, it was that thing,
same kinds of things with The

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Fly where I talked about that at
length on the Fly episode, but

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those were the kinds of things
that really just got under my

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skin.
So Predator.

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And we watched it as a family.
It was all, it was my brother

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and my mom and dad and I.
So we watched it all together,

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but it was still like, I was
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And the idea of of a nuclear
blast for a kid in the 80s was a

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lot, you know?
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That was, it wasn't quite.
Yeah, it was a feeling of

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imminent threat at that time.
It wasn't quite like the duck

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and cover days, like we weren't
running nuclear drills, But I

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remember seeing things like
nuclear, I remember getting

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nightmares from this, like
Newsweek, I think, had like a

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mushroom cloud on its cover, and
there was the escalating arms

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race.
So I definitely do remember it

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being a period of like, worrying
about nuclear war.

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And so I could see that.
And what that was what 1987, I

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mean, that was that was sort of
like the the nearing the end of

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the of all that.
But it just felt like things

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were ramping up during that
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And I remember, you know,
teachers saying, you know, we

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have enough nuclear weapons in
the world to blow up the world's

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the entire earth 7 times over.
And that just was I horrifying

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thought.
I mean.

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And so hard concept to wrap your
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Exactly.
So as a little kid dealing with

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that and then seeing that in the
movie was it was a lot and it

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really got under my skin.
When you say, like, the series

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as a whole is a little hit or
miss, like one thing I'm

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wondering for you is, like, I we
talked a little bit about this

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on our Predator 2 episode, how
after the first movie, The

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characters in the movie have to
catch up with the audience.

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Yeah.
When you watch the first movie,

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you know as much as Dutch and
his team going in.

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But when you get to Part 2,
we're expecting the Predator and

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all your other characters have
to catch up, which can be

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difficult sometimes as a viewer
when you're waiting, when you

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have like a lot more information
than they have.

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Is that, is that part of the
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whole sometimes?
I felt that in both Predator 2

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and this one, I felt like there
there's a lot of things about,

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especially the first acts of
them that are like beat for beat

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from the first movie in a lot of
ways where where it's it's like

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we're doing the same thing.
I mean, that you're seeing

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things from the Predator's point
of view and it's like we know

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about the Predator.
Why are we doing this again?

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You know, why not just go in?
And so I did feel that with both

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Predator 2 and three.
I have not seen the Shane Black

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Fred Decker 1 yet.
Same.

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Yeah, it's going to be a I'm.
The only one here that's seen

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it.
You might be so, Steven.

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Haven't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Steven, your thoughts on
predators, We got your we got

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your opinions on the original
predator a couple weeks ago.

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So actually what's your opinion
on sex test first, just if you

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want to clear the air anti very
extremely.

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Anti good, yeah.
Excellent.

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OK.
And how about how about 2010's

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Predators then?
Pro, Very pro.

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I like this movie a lot.
Do I recognize its flaws?

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Absolutely.
Do I still have a fucking blast

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every time I watch it?
Yes, I do, because I I'm a

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simple man.
You put a Predator on screen,

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I'm going to have a good time.
Unless it's Alien AVP Requiem,

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which is a bad movie just
outright.

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But I think I first saw this one
in 2019 when I just decided on a

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whim, hey, let's watch all the
Predators and my ex-wife or my

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wife at the time I guess was
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that together.
So we watched all the Predator

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movies and then when we got to
AVP, she's like, OK, but what

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about the aliens?
Then I'm like, OK, now we have

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to watch the entire alien alien
series.

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So we did a back-to-back Alien
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through, which was a lot of fun
and something I will recommend

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to anybody.
But this ranks pretty high for

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me in the overall list of Alien
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I think I put it just behind
Prometheus and just ahead of

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Alien Romulus in terms of where
everything breaks down for me.

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So I I like this one a great
deal.

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I think this movie is a lot of
fun.

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Again, does it have obvious
flaws?

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Yes it does.
But at the time, this was kind

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of the shot in the arm I think
the franchise needed to try to

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to gain some ground after all
that it had lost with Predator

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2, which I'm sure you guys
talked about last week, how

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poorly received that film was.
Yeah.

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And I, it feels like I
understand the what they were

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going for with Predator 2, but
it felt like a misstep.

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Whereas this feels almost like
an overcorrection where it's a

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little too adherent to the
original film in a lot of ways.

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And I've I've got a big theory
at the end of my notes here that

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we can get into when we get into
the movie discussion, but like

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it feels a little too over
reliant on that initial formula.

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But it again, it so it's not as
successful as the first film,

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but it's we're moving in that
direction.

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And I think it's not until we
get Prey that we finally see, I

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think the right calibration of
what the franchise.

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Should be.
Sure.

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Forward.
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I remember enjoying it like it's
a fun night at the movies.

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I can't say that I disliked it,
but it wasn't a movie that I

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like.
Felt a huge need to return to

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even though I own it on Blu-ray.
Like I was going through my

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shelves like I lapped before
watching this movie.

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Just like re alphabetized, like
rearranged everything by label

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and box set and then all the
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I'm like, I will alphabetize and
I'm like, oh, I own this movie

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because I probably bought it for
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the folks that sell like used
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Right.
Yeah, I found a copy of the

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Goodwill the other day and I
don't know why I didn't just

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prove it.
You should have.

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Just like I should have, but Oh
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So it's so it's I'm like, oh
great, I don't have to rent it

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or you know, try to stream it
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I can just watch it and get all
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Was the issues that I had, I

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watched on Hulu and there are
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the thing.
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commercial break, I kind of lost
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it is a little tainted because
of that.

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I think the way like streamers

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like Hulu do commercials,
they're not placed like when you

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would watch a movie on TV, there
was a little bit of care and

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consideration in terms of like
how commercials went in.

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like, OK, coming up like this is

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when they're going to have like
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You can kind of get out.
And with Hulu and other

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streamers, it is so random, like
when they're going to insert

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that break.
So it doesn't make a heck of a

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lot of sense.
It's almost like every 10 to 15

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minutes, like clockwork, they
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It doesn't really matter if it
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thing.
So yeah, it's frustrating.

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I, I would say this one, for me,
it definitely gains momentum as

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it goes on.
Like I honestly had a hard time

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kind of engaging with it for
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We'll talk about when we kind of
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maybe a bit of like a bit of
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will.
Talk more than I have no idea

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what you're talking about.
Right.

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So, but as the as the movie goes
on, especially like with one

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particular character being
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becomes a lot of fun and then
you kind of let it go and you're

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like, this is just a good bee
pulpy monster movie.

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It's ridiculous.
It's got some fun special

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effects when they go practical,
like the visual effects,

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unfortunately are what they are
for some of them.

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There's just still some things
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Weida are gonna have a hard time
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And I would say that, like, the
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very consistent throughout each
of the movies we've watched.

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So you're not getting something
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feel right.
This feels completely out of

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left field.
So you're getting something I

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feel is really enjoyable.
And it's not a bad hour and 45

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minutes to spend at the theater.
Yeah, there's a lot worse times

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you can have at the movies than,
that's for sure.

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What?
So let's talk a little bit about

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it.
Let's you could watch Predators,

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the 2025 sex pest documentary
which I'm sure would not be a

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good time.
I heard that's like one of the

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feel bad documentaries.
Of the year Well, can't imagine

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why I.
I recently watched a film called

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Frankenstein Italian Style and
can assure you yes, Predators is

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not the worst time you can have
with the movie.

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Fair enough.
My daughter kind of like.

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This Brian, Yeah.
It is one battle after another

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weekend so hopefully tonight or
tomorrow I'll be go seeing 1

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battle after another.
I was going to see it today but

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I can't pass up.
Regal is playing close

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Encounters of the Third Kind one
day only and I've never seen it

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on the big screen, so I'm going
to go see that.

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It's been a weekend.
I saw Vertigo on Thursday, Wow

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2001 A space odyssey yesterday
with my son and I'm seeing close

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encounters today so.
You're.

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Getting a lot of big screen re
releases in this year.

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Brian They did a great movie,
really every single day in

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September.
So I've seen Citizen Kane, I saw

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A Taxi Driver, I saw Goodfellas,
I saw I missed some really good

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ones.
I missed Casablanca.

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I'd already seen it on the big
screen, so I was like, OK, I

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missed a couple of there's Pan's
Labyrinth and things, but I was

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like, I'll get to what I can get
to and I've lucked out with a

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lot.
Of them the the Brattle Cinema

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in Cambridge just did like a
found footage festival where

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they did found footage flicks
every day for like a week.

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And I did not get out there as
much as I wanted.

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I wanted to see like they were
doing a free screening of Ghost

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Watch, which I would have loved
to have seen on the big screen.

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But last week I did take my
daughter and I, we went to see

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Noroy the Curse on the big
screen, which was awesome.

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It's really cool.
My daughter really done it, like

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at 15, she really loved it.
And we're like, which is very

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cool.
And then after that, we're like,

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well, we're already here.
They're doing another movie and

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it's like an hour drive home.
Like, let's go see something

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else too.
They did a new found footage

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movie from the folks behind, I
think Die Die books, a small

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print.
They have a film called It

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Doesn't Get Any Better Than
This, which they're never.

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Yeah, they're never going to
release it on streaming.

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They're never going to release
it on physical media.

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They're only doing like if you
want to watch it, you have to

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like you can call them and
they'll set up a screening of it

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like in a theater.
And it was a lot of fun.

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Like I probably will make my top
10 for the year.

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It's not it's super low budget,
like super, super low budget.

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But I really dug it.
I really enjoyed it.

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So yeah, it's and there's a,
it's October coming up.

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Like by the time this is
released, like we're just on the

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cusp of October.
It feels like fall right now.

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So it's that time.
Like I think The Regal is doing

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like a different horror movie
every day.

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Next weekend we're seeing.
Some really good ones.

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Next weekend we're seeing Friday
the 13th Part 3 in 3D and.

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Wow.
And A Nightmare on Elm Street,

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first time for me on the big
screen.

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Nice.
They're really they're doing

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screen.
On.

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Sunday and they're doing New
Nightmare on Monday.

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Oh.
My God, I am shocked that that's

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the first time you've ever seen
Elm Street on the big screen.

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Yeah, it's never been around to
see on the big screen and then

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later.
I had a regal near me.

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Later in the month, they're
doing Creature from the Black

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Lagoon in 3D, and so my son and
I are gonna.

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Be there.
Let me ask you a question.

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If you have the regal unlimited
pass, yeah.

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Can you use it for that?
Yep, they're free and.

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OK.
And the screenings are only 5

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bucks for the tickets otherwise.
Oh, OK, I'm so.

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They're not even signing up.
They're not even full price

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tickets.
So it's been awesome.

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So I've been able to see all of
those movies on my pass and then

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if my son wanted to come it's
only been 5 bucks to add him on.

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God, I might sign up for one
month even if it just evens out.

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Yeah, OK, All right enough.
Anyway doing. 3D screenings

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might be a little bit more but.
Enough doing free promotion for

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Regal.
Yeah.

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Cinemas right now.
It's been, it's been my happy

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place this month.
That's.

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Very cool.
I think that's really cool.

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Yeah.
OK, well, let's talk about the

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background of predators.
It's all right.

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So this is coming off the heels
of the Alien versus Predator

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films, which we're going to
cover very soon here.

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And while those two movies, AVP
and AVP Requiem, Requiem had

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been successful commercially,
it's fair to say that critically

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they're a let down.
And fans didn't really like them

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either, especially Requiem.
That in both cases, it felt like

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they were a missed opportunity,
not only because fans had wanted

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to see them in theaters for so
long, like see that kind of, you

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know, the kind of monster mash
up that we really hadn't gotten

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since like Frankenstein meets
the Wolf Man in the old

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Universal movies.
Fans really didn't dig them,

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especially Requiem.
And you had years of like them

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meeting at other mediums like
comic books and video games that

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had been done successfully.
So Fox decides, well, there's

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still life in these franchises,
but we're going to like split

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them apart again and we're going
to do a stand alone Predator

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move.
Any initial thoughts on AV The

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Avi know we're going to like
cover those in a few weeks here.

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I've only seen the first one.
I never saw Requiem because I

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just heard the bad news about
it.

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Yeah, I, I, I was like with the
first one.

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It's all right.
I, I didn't, it didn't really

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strike me, I guess.
Yeah, yeah.

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The first one is fine, Requiem
is bad.

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Yeah, I think people who have
seen Requiem still haven't seen

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it because it's so dark that you
just can't see anything in the

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movie.
Touché.

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So it's another one that I own
on Blu-ray, like another like

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it's $3.
We're going to cover this movie

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one day for the show.
I might as well purchase it.

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So that's not one that I will
make an upgrade to 4K.

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Like, you know, where's the
Criterion 4K on ADB Requiem,

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like those.
No one's asking for that.

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So OK, well, the idea for this
movie comes.

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It really dates all the way back
to 1994, like when Robert

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Rodriguez, he's working on
Desperado and he still needs

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money.
He's like he's a up and coming

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filmmaker and he's just like
getting these ideas for from

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studios like well, what can you
work on?

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And the idea of like doing a
sequel to Predator comes across

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him and he's like, fuck yes,
this is what I would like to do.

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So he turns in a script for
Predator 3 while working on

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Desperado.
And his idea, like let's go back

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to the basics with the team in
the jungle.

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It's going to be a sequel to the
87 movie.

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We're going to ignore the 1990
follow up.

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And his idea was to it's almost
like Avatar where there's tons

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of different alien beings,
there's tons of different

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creatures.
It's almost like the Predators

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aren't the only hunters in the
movie.

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He had the idea of bringing
Arnold back.

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He actually, in the commentary
for this movie, talks about

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meeting with Arnold, who was
didn't necessarily want to come

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back and do a Predator movie
anyway, especially after coming

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off of a sequel for the
Terminator movies.

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He wanted to move in different
directions, but he was like,

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write me something good and I'll
I'll consider it.

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And I think his idea was to have
Arnold actually join up with the

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Predators as a hunter, which is
really fascinating.

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It's a really fascinating idea.
And Arnold had like some

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interest in doing it.
Fox, for whatever reason, like

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they pass on, they look at it,
they're like, this is going to

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cost way too much money to make.
Like this is a ridiculously

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expensive movie to make.
So they put it in a box.

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They don't really think about
it.

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And it's not until like 2008,
2009, when they, like, dust off

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the script and they approach
Rodriguez, coming off the

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success of some of his movies
and say, what would you like to

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do here?
Well, he had quite a run there

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and was pretty successful.
I mean, he's never been the

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auteur, you know, like, like
Tarantino, who, you know, writes

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and directs all his own stuff,
is very particular about the

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movies he's making.
He's, you know, he's willing to

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make other people's movies so
that he can make his own, you

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know, and I, I, I think that's
there are worse ways to work.

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Come on.
I mean, let's and he had some,

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some of his successes are kind
of interesting.

448
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,400
You know, he did team up with
Tarantino obviously for From

449
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,800
Dusk Till Dawn, which I mean,
still, that's still super fun

450
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,120
movie.
Yeah.

451
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,520
And.
Which I think there's even is

452
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,440
called like the good version of
sinners.

453
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,560
I don't know where I'm coming up
with that.

454
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800
I don't know.
Maybe that was a fever dream.

455
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,360
I don't know.
Maybe that was a fever dream.

456
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,760
I don't know, guy.
I've had a rough morning.

457
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,520
I'm taking it out on You're
good.

458
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,440
Just but you know, then he'll
also make cuz the faculty was

459
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,640
that did that initiate with
Rodriguez or was that that?

460
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,640
Was Rodriguez as well?
Yeah, Nope, that was.

461
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,640
Well, that's Williamson is the
scrap.

462
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,160
Yeah, yeah, he.
Writes it, yeah.

463
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,680
Yeah, so I mean, he's he's
jumping on the screen bandwagon

464
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,240
a little bit there, you know,
for Kevin Williamson and doing

465
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,880
the faculty, which I remember
being a hit.

466
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,400
I didn't see that movie for, you
know, 20 years after.

467
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,720
Zane.
Yeah.

468
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,960
We covered.
It for psychoanalysis and I

469
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,560
think it was one of our comfort
horror movies and I had not

470
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,640
watched it since like seeing it
way, way, way back, like when it

471
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,280
first like probably was like an
early Netflix rental and like I

472
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,680
didn't remember almost anything
about it.

473
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,840
It's a fun like take on like a
1950s B monster movie.

474
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,120
It's it's invasion of the body
snatchers.

475
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,360
It is sure it's got it's it's
got but then it's got some know

476
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,880
it all character who he was
like, well, actually Invasion of

477
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,200
the Body snatchers wasn't RIP
off and like, oh fuck yeah.

478
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,760
I mean, that's Kevin Williams
and Brian Kevin Williams into

479
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320
the game.
No, I know, but I was just like,

480
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,480
come on, we're getting we're
getting Jamie Kennedy 2 point O

481
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,040
and just we've.
Got many more disenfranchised 1.

482
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,120
Point O, right?
We covered it for

483
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,560
Disenfranchised earlier this
year and it's it's a movie that

484
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,240
I really enjoy kind of in spite
of myself, honestly.

485
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,160
It's just, it's so much fun and
I love that cast so much.

486
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,920
I love Robert Patrick.
He's so much.

487
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,400
Fancy Jameson in that movie like
looks incredible like she is

488
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,520
someone I had a massive crush on
back in the late 90s for sure.

489
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,440
Like if she was in something,
I'm like, I will go see it

490
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,160
because she is in it because I
had like such a massive crush on

491
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,840
her.
So yeah, it yeah.

492
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,080
It's well, the other thing
that's intriguing about with

493
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,320
Robert Rodriguez, like with the
outs, like he started to come up

494
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,640
like as DVDs were becoming a
thing and special features were

495
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,240
becoming a thing.
So he would do like a lot of

496
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,440
like 10 minute film school
features like on all his DVDs

497
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,920
and like show like he's someone
that like an Orin an Orin Pelley

498
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,200
would like grab a DVD off the
shelf and watch the features

499
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,920
like that and say, yeah, I can
make movies like this.

500
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,600
Like El Mariachi I think he made
for 10,000 bucks and that went

501
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,200
on to become like a minor hit
and get a lot of critical

502
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,280
acclaim.
He makes Desperado, which was I

503
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,440
had watched that when it came
out on DVD and I don't think

504
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,000
anyone has ever looked better in
a movie than Antonio Banderas

505
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,600
and Selma Hyatt.
On that movie.

506
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,640
Oh my.
God, the two of them, Nick,

507
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,240
there have never been two more
attractive people on the face of

508
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,120
the earth.
And that goes on to make almost

509
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,640
like 100 million at the box
office.

510
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,400
And you can't ignore the guy at
this point as someone, I think

511
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,240
the big thing, not just his
filmmaking, is like, he is

512
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,080
someone like, he's almost like
George Lucas in a way that he

513
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,600
seems to be almost more
interested in the processes

514
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000
behind the scene and the
technology, you know.

515
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,240
So he's someone that very early
on embraces like, which is not

516
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,520
necessarily something I'm a fan
of, like, moving away from

517
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,440
practical sets and doing, like,
all green screen, but begin to

518
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,840
do these things, you know, on
the cheap and in his home of,

519
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,440
like, Austin, TX.
Yeah.

520
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,600
He's built an entire studio
basically in his backyard and

521
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520
people just come and hang out on
his ranch and make movies there.

522
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Like he, like, he shot Lady Gaga
for the new Sin City, like in

523
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880
between tour stops.
She like had like a week off and

524
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,000
so she just came and he shot her
out in a day and just like, all

525
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,960
right, come in, make the movie,
great, You're on your way.

526
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Have fun.
Thanks for coming.

527
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Thanks for stopping by.
Yeah, yeah.

528
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,080
And, you know, it worked out
pretty well for him.

529
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,080
And like the Spy Kids movies,
Yeah.

530
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,880
You know, so which those man,
those movies made a lot of

531
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,000
money.
I mean even.

532
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,120
Think what you will about them.
They they made a lot of money.

533
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,240
And he makes them with his kids,
you know, like, he like, gets to

534
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880
be family, gets to like, stay
home and make movies with his

535
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,440
kids and make, like, a pretty
healthy living doing it.

536
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,280
Like, you're right.
Like, I'm not going to

537
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,160
necessarily watch those movies,
but I'm not going to begrudge a

538
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,520
person that kind of success.
I don't like his hat.

539
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400
Like every interview, he's
wearing a really stupid hat.

540
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,080
And that's probably what I like
the least about Robin Rodriguez.

541
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,720
And I know that's a really
petty, stupid thing, but like

542
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,400
every.
I just, you know.

543
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,920
I just can't get.
Over it.

544
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640
My petty stupid thing is I
fucking hate Shark Boy and Lava

545
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080
Girl.
That was my son's favorite movie

546
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,040
for a while and it's so bad.
It's so bad.

547
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Kids like, write it or come up
with the story, yeah.

548
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,440
It's.
Something like that, yeah.

549
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,840
It's, it's just, I mean, and
it's like bad CGI.

550
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,800
I it's just everything about it
is just terrible.

551
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,760
And you know, hey, make a movie
with your kids, but sheesh.

552
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Sometimes you can make little
movies with your kids and they

553
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
can go out as like the family
Christmas card.

554
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,400
You don't have to go out on 3000
screens, right?

555
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,320
So well, here is the run from
like the mid 90s on.

556
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,960
So he does Desperado, which we
mentioned.

557
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600
We mentioned From Dusk Till
Dawn, which he directs and

558
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,600
Tarantino writes that's a
success.

559
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,120
It's like not like a
blockbuster, but it's a success.

560
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,080
He does The Faculty, which is
another like again, almost like

561
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,760
any teen slasher or teen monster
movie from like that, like late

562
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,600
90s to early 2000 period.
Especially if you put like Kevin

563
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Williamson's name on it, it's
going to be successful.

564
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,320
At that point.
It's it's definitely coming to

565
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,960
the age of like your Joss
Whedon, your Kevin Williamson's

566
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,320
like the idea that like you're
going to see a movie.

567
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,440
Not necessarily really because
of who's in front of the camera,

568
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,040
but like, who is behind it.
Like, that is becoming more and

569
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,480
more of a thing with teenagers
now as opposed to just like,

570
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,160
film nerds like us.
So they'll be like, we're going

571
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,520
to do your new Scorsese movie.
I started I'm going to see the

572
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,640
new Paul Thomas Anderson or the
new Charlie Kaufman written

573
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,080
film.
That was me in the in the early

574
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,240
2000s.
I have been kind of not super

575
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,640
into any and I don't rush out to
say there's a lot of like blind

576
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,520
spots.
But like everything pokes punch

577
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,800
drunk love for PTA.
I'm like, I'm not in a rush.

578
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,120
I know it's very silly.
There will be blood.

579
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,640
The master I've never seen it.
I've never I've seen the master

580
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,400
the.
Master's very good.

581
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,640
The master's a weird.
Master's a weird one.

582
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,720
Yeah, Master's.
I got to.

583
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680
I can understand.
I saw it in 70mm I believe

584
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,960
there.
Will be Blood as a masterpiece

585
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,280
There will be.
Blood is like my second favorite

586
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,400
movie of all time.
Behind Shark Boy and Lava Girl.

587
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Fair enough, that's a pretty
good one too.

588
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,760
Punch.
What Citizen Kane?

589
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,440
It is, of course.
Yeah, and by the way, I probably

590
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,880
will be seeing there will be
blood on the big screen this

591
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,760
week too.
I.

592
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Skipped church to see it on the
big screen while I was a pastor.

593
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,400
That is the reason I mean that
what a movie to skip church for

594
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,400
though, right?
I skipped church this Easter to

595
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920
see Sinners and it was like the
perfect movie to watch on

596
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Easter.
Brian, you and I just venting

597
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,800
our religious trauma by skipping
church to go see movies on the

598
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,720
big screen.
Yeah, that's right.

599
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,120
Another thing we have in common.
So look, I have an idea for a

600
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,640
show called The Five where we
just like pick like a director,

601
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,480
a writer, a performer, and you
have to pick 5 films from their

602
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,760
ovra.
And the first episode would be

603
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,560
like the host debating which
five should go in.

604
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,640
And then the next 5 episodes
would be covering those movies.

605
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,880
And I really want to do this.
And it would be something

606
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,360
different from horror.
And I'm pitching it here to

607
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,800
listeners.
Like, drop a note if you're a

608
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,280
film nerd and can talk on a
microphone and put up with me

609
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,240
calling you a potential sex pest
accidentally, you know, just.

610
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,240
Mike, I've been doing this for
what, three years now?

611
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160
So if if I'm not on board now, I
never will be.

612
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,520
So yeah, I would be.
So I'd be 100% we'll definitely

613
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,760
want to do that.
I definitely want to do that in

614
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600
another like psychological
horror psychology and horror

615
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,240
podcast because I miss I've been
getting a Jones again to do more

616
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,440
anyway other than that.
If you wanted to be just a

617
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,080
psychology of religion and
horror, you would be I.

618
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Would come on from.
The Holy territory.

619
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,640
I definitely would love to come
on your Yeah, I'm definitely

620
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,320
like trying to think which
movies I would like to do.

621
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,040
Maybe the Sacrament, because I
find like that would be really

622
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,480
that's one I fascinated.
That's one I literally brought

623
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,920
up to Pat like.
Yeah, we'd love that movie.

624
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,560
That was one I could have seen
on the big screen this past week

625
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,600
and just couldn't get out.
Couldn't, man.

626
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,360
Well, here it's the Blockbuster
run.

627
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,320
Sorry, here is the Blockbuster
run.

628
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,840
I love these leisurely episodes.
Subtrack.

629
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,679
Man.
No, it's, it's it's yeah.

630
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,560
I, I I.
Take We're not even halfway.

631
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,040
Through the notes, but we're
almost on the notes.

632
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,000
There's not a ton of notes in
this one, but I kind of like

633
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
these leisurely, you know, like
non focused.

634
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,080
I'm sure they're great for our
listeners.

635
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,760
Anyway, here is the blockbuster
run 2005 Sin City does 4 times

636
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,960
it's $40 million budget.
And then like you mentioned the

637
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,800
starting in 2001, the Spy Kids
franchise 35 million budget

638
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,200
makes 150.
Thirty $8 million budget makes

639
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,960
120 Spy Kids three DI think
that's 2007 $28 million budget

640
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,000
20000 they're back-to-back to
back.

641
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,680
You're right.
Yeah, he does those first three

642
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120
right in a row.
Yeah, you know, you're correct.

643
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:22,680
28 million to make it
197,000,000 worldwide, which is

644
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,920
like holy geez, that is a lot of
money for Spy Kids.

645
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Three DI think Spy Kids 3.
D is that's a sliced alone re

646
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,520
rebound too, 'cause he was like
he hadn't been in a lot of shit

647
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,600
up to that point, and that's
kind of one of his reclamation

648
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,880
projects, like when he starts
getting back into things, yeah.

649
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,040
Then you have like Rocky Balboa
and the Rambo, like those are

650
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,920
really successful, you know?
Then he's off and running with

651
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,640
the Creed movies.
Right.

652
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Expendables.
Yeah, Yeah, that's Expendables.

653
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,280
I always forget about those
movies.

654
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Never go, they're expendable.
They're expendable movies.

655
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:02,720
How wrong you are.
I was.

656
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Part of the first one and was
like.

657
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,240
Look, are they good?
Yeah.

658
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,440
No.
But are they exactly what you

659
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,800
expect?
Yes.

660
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Yes, OK, fair.
Your mileage may vary as to how

661
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560
enjoyable you find that, but
they are exactly what you

662
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,240
expect.
Well.

663
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,160
There you.
Go not as successful planet

664
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Terror as part of the grindhouse
double feature, which is really

665
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,280
too bad.
I think people really slept

666
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,560
because that was a fun day at
the movies.

667
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,320
Like those two movies are a fun
day at the.

668
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Movies people were freaked out
by the runtime and I it's like

669
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,880
it doesn't feel I mean, I've
watched I've watched the

670
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,960
separate cuts, I've watched the
the single cut with all the

671
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,200
trailers in it and stuff.
The shortened versions.

672
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,400
I I kind of like the full
grindhouse experience version

673
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,240
better.
It's yeah, those are that's AI.

674
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,880
Wish I'd seen that theatrically.
I didn't get a chance to.

675
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,640
We I did and I really enjoyed it
and I remember like walking out

676
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,160
like I want to see Thanksgiving.
I want to see like assess

677
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,240
werewolf women of the SI want to
see like Peg.

678
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,400
I'm sorry, Edgar Wright needs to
make dunked like that.

679
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Just yeah, that's I think that's
the one trailer.

680
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,080
Like even hobo with a shotgun
like that.

681
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Comes in a.
Movie which we were at the world

682
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,920
premiere of, like we saw the
world premiere of that in in

683
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,440
Boston, the Boston Underground
Film Fest.

684
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,200
So I think it was the world
premiere maybe a wrong, but like

685
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,200
the only thing that hasn't
gotten made is Edgar Wright's

686
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,160
dunk at this point.
Like how is that?

687
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,280
Did they make werewolf women of
the SN?

688
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Oh no, you're correct, that
hasn't gotten made.

689
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,360
With Nicolas Cage's Fu Manchu.
Yeah, Yep, you're right.

690
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,040
My bad.
I forgot about.

691
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,040
That thank you Steven for saving
me from some angry comments.

692
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,000
Look, Mike, that's what I'm here
for.

693
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,640
Well, Machete got turned into a
whole.

694
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,000
Series.
Yeah, got.

695
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,760
A couple of movies, Yeah.
Yeah.

696
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Good for Danny Trejo.
You know what?

697
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Good for you.
Know what can't be Mad

698
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Predator's own Danny Trejo.
Good for him.

699
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,920
We love it.
That's good for him.

700
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,120
So screenwriters Alex Litback
and Michael Fitch, they're

701
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,320
brought on to rework Rodriguez's
original idea into something

702
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,240
that's actually filmable on a
Predator budget.

703
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
You know, you want to do an
Avatar taste with Predator.

704
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400
Money is the type of thing.
They can't quite do it.

705
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,120
They streamline the story, but
they do keep the main element

706
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,880
that was there, which is like a
group of human beings have been

707
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,480
transported to this alien
planet.

708
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,840
The idea like Fox has the idea
that Rodriguez is going to

709
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,240
direct this movie and he's like,
no, I'll just I'll just produce

710
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,560
it.
And Fox still says, well, that's

711
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,840
fine, but we're going to let
troublemaker studio like be on

712
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,280
the hook for all the production
and we'll distribute the movie.

713
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,200
So there's like not a real no
real risk for Fox Studios.

714
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,480
And Rodriguez is like works for
me, like I'm not going to get

715
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,160
studio noted to death.
I can make the movie I want.

716
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,800
And he's like a very hands on as
a producer.

717
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,000
Like when you watch the behind
the scenes like he is there then

718
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,840
go side by side with our
director Nimrod Antal, which yay

719
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,240
I don't know a ton to bottle did
vacancy with Luke Wilson.

720
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,520
He's a perfectly.
Competent director like he's

721
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,920
he's not, you know, he's nothing
to write home about, but he is

722
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,720
absolutely just yeah, goes in,
makes the movie he wants to make

723
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,560
and gets out like he just very
and I mean it's it's on the

724
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,520
screen like he makes a this film
is incredibly well made.

725
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,280
Yeah, it's not a, it's not a
George Lucas on the Return of

726
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,440
the Jedi situation where like
Lucas really directs that movie,

727
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,960
right?
I mean, I think we all know that

728
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,920
like Lucas directs Return of the
Jet, it's not like that or

729
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,880
allegedly like Spielberg and
Hooper on Poltergeist.

730
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,600
It's not that kind of situation.
Like this is like a Ann Powell's

731
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,240
movie.
Like even though Rodriguez is

732
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:53,400
there with some input, Rodriguez
is more there to make sure

733
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,560
things are running on time and
like the production design,

734
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,680
which is really high quality
here than it looks like it

735
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,360
should.
And this really is Ann Powell's

736
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,320
movie.
Yeah, I mean it.

737
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:07,640
And I feel like Rodriguez, as
someone who probably has had

738
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,720
those very insistent producers
at various points in his career,

739
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:12,960
oh, he.
Worked with the Weinsteins.

740
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Like, look how much he worked
with the Weinsteins, right?

741
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Right.
So I think he he knows what not

742
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,800
to do in that situation and just
knows what he can do and what a

743
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,680
producer should do, facilitate
the director in making the movie

744
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,840
they want to make rather than
taking over and making the movie

745
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,400
he would make if he were
directing it.

746
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,560
And I think because he's had
that experience in the past,

747
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,600
really wants to, you know, go in
and again, give Antal the

748
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,920
experience of making a good film
on his own.

749
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,680
The one thing that it seemed
like he did is like he did keep

750
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,040
like budgetary cost in mind
because like watching the

751
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,000
commentary, like when they get
to like Laurence Fishburne's

752
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,680
like hideout, for example, like
that was supposed to be a much,

753
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,840
much, much bigger set piece.
And they talk about how it's

754
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,080
like, it's actually like half a
room, like it's actually really

755
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,920
small.
And Rodriguez like kept scaling

756
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,120
it back saying, look like you're
going to spend all day lighting

757
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,680
a really big set and then you're
going to have like an hour to

758
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,840
film it and you're going to the
performers are going to be

759
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,200
pissed because they're not going
to have time to work it out.

760
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,320
It's going to cost way too much
money.

761
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,400
And he's like, what's going to
happen is you're going to get

762
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,360
really excited when you build
this really, really intricate

763
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,880
set.
And then you're going to get

764
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,960
there and say, oh, shit, how do
we light this and make it work?

765
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,960
And sure enough, like even
though they scaled it way back,

766
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,120
like when they got to that set,
they're like, oh, this might be

767
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,040
a little too much.
So they're saying what actually

768
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,560
works is like keeping things
dark, keeping things vague.

769
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,560
And that's where like, like
Rodriguez maybe had a bit more

770
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,360
of a guiding hand in things.
So.

771
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,200
That makes sense.
And you know, when you have, I'm

772
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,760
sure, more expensive performers
such as Laurence Fishburne, you

773
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,120
got to make sure you're using
their time wisely, correct?

774
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,400
Especially a guy who's like not
on set for that long, like not

775
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,840
who's not going to be in the
movie.

776
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,200
This feels like he got shot in a
week.

777
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,200
Honestly, it does not feel like
he was on.

778
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,040
Set for that long.
Oh, God, if that.

779
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,760
Yeah.
So filming is split between

780
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,440
cold, cold Hawaii and Central
Texas.

781
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,880
You know, like Hawaii at this
time, like, you're kind of think

782
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Lost is just probably like
filming its last season in

783
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Hawaii as this show is like, you
know, cold, cold.

784
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,280
Hawaii was chosen because it was
one of the terms of the island

785
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,200
formations, was one of the
younger ones.

786
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,160
And it had the kind of
topography that was exotic

787
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,800
enough that it could resemble an
alien world without being too

788
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,120
difficult to navigate and set up
your shots in.

789
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,160
And also, like, it doesn't suck
like the film scout location

790
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,040
team talks in the dock.
Like, we went to Puerto Rico.

791
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,280
We went to the Bahamas.
We set out on Hawaii.

792
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,040
It doesn't suck to spend a few
weeks or a month prepping

793
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,360
production and shooting, right?
The worst way to spend your

794
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,600
time.
Absolutely.

795
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,800
It's like, you know, like, yeah,
we were in Vancouver.

796
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,240
You know, spend the night in
Vancouver.

797
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Hoover felt like a month so at
the.

798
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Same time, it's also not there's
a major shooting ranch on Oahu

799
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,200
that at tour.
It's awesome.

800
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,800
If you ever get to go there, go
there.

801
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,720
It's like I can't even.
My wife can always say the name

802
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,080
right off the top of her head.
I always forget.

803
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,480
But it's where they shot
Jurassic Park in a million TV

804
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,040
shows and all shot Jurassic
Park.

805
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,560
Yeah, you know, Kong, Skull
Island, all sorts of things.

806
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,760
Yeah.
The Karate Kid Part 2.

807
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,280
I mean, is, is there.
So it's it's, but it's, it's

808
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,280
recognizable now because if you
go there, it's like it looks

809
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,600
like you're in Jurassic Park.
Kuloa.

810
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,960
Yeah, Kuloa, that's the one.
Yeah.

811
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,760
And it's it's awesome.
If you ever get a chance to tour

812
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,520
out there, it's it's amazing.
Take your time out of your day

813
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,400
to go there.
But anyway, but like I said, it

814
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,840
is sort of recognizable.
So that they found somewhere

815
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,040
else on the islands to go is
nice, though.

816
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,880
I wouldn't mind hanging out in
Hawaii for a while.

817
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Actually, Roger Corman, Rodger
Corman was sort of the master of

818
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,680
doing this.
I'm going to take a vacation to

819
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,720
Hawaii and I'm going to bring
along a camera.

820
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,480
We're going to shoot for a week
and then I'm going to hang out

821
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,600
for a week.
You know who else is?

822
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,040
This is the master of that Adam
Sandler.

823
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,600
Oh, that's this whole career.
Let's just go on a vacation with

824
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,120
all my friends, bring a film
crew and we'll just, I don't

825
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,480
know, film.
Something yeah, 51st Dates was

826
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,280
also shot there.
Yeah, there you go.

827
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Yeah.
Speaking of Sandlin, I mean,

828
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,240
it's, yeah, it's not even, not
even like hidden, like there's

829
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,000
no subterfuge behind it.
What's over?

830
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,680
It's like, where do I want to
take my family?

831
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,400
Which again, look, I'm not going
to say a single bad word about

832
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,920
the Sandman who was in the last
really good Paul Thomas Anderson

833
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,440
movie.
According to me.

834
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,040
It's my Co host.
Log off.

835
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,800
I don't know.
I, I, he, he's like a huge blind

836
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,160
spot in like film makers that I
just need to sit down.

837
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,520
And like that blind spot, my.
Kind of go through that.

838
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,120
That should be fun.
That should be fun.

839
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,880
OK, well, 60% of the movie is
filmed in Central Texas in order

840
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,880
to take advantage of the tax
breaks there.

841
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,880
Canyon, Lake George, which is
the waterfall scene like that

842
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,280
proves to be really difficult
for a couple reasons.

843
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,520
When they scouted the location,
there was no waterfall.

844
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
And then two months later they
go, they go to shoot and there's

845
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,920
1.
So it's really difficult to

846
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,760
capture sound.
It's also cold as hell, so like

847
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,360
the temperatures are like 35°
and that's where they're filming

848
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,520
the sword fight scene,
obviously, like they're in

849
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,120
soaking wet water.
So they're like not really

850
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,160
enjoying the elements at that
point.

851
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,680
The production designers for
this film are Steve Joyner

852
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,120
Joyner and Kayla Edelblut.
They have been on board with

853
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,720
Robert Rodriguez since From Dust
Till Dawn.

854
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,960
And he was like just go wild.
Like go who you want to do

855
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,280
practical effects like the
Predator design and any

856
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,320
practical effects handled by
K&B, particularly Greg Nicotero

857
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,280
and Howard Berger.
They had worked with Stan

858
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Winston on the 87 movie before
the formation of K&B and their

859
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,040
ideas like they want to stay
consistent with the original

860
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,360
design.
You see that in the Predator

861
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,560
that is like tied up.
They're like this is the same

862
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,240
predator or same species of
predator that we would have

863
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:24,160
found in like Arnold's film.
But also like they design 3 new

864
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,120
predators.
I think the Berserker, the

865
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,560
Falconer and I want to say the
Tracker is the third one, but

866
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,960
they have like a unique look to
show that off.

867
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,640
And VFX are handled by Weta
Studios who had done the Lord of

868
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,840
the Ring movies that have been,
you know, hand in hand with

869
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Peter Jackson and maybe by this
point maybe some planting.

870
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,480
ILM is like the go to.
They're up there.

871
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,320
Studio working on it, right?
As far as can be, they they're

872
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,520
also at this time like they're
doing The Walking Dead as well,

873
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,920
like they're coming off like
they're just getting ramped up

874
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,560
on that.
Like they and they go on, they

875
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,480
do The Creepshow TV series.
To me, like K&B is like the

876
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,000
premier, Yeah, effect studio
that's out there not only to

877
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,760
this day, but maybe of all time
just for like being the folks

878
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,800
that still do it when others
have closed up shop.

879
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Think that the the other one, I
guess ILM's creature shop still

880
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,360
exists, but the the only other
one is like Rick Baker's company

881
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,360
is still they're still around,
right?

882
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,600
I don't know, like when's the
last time I know Rick Baker?

883
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,880
The last thing I can think of
with Rick Baker is he worked on

884
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,080
like the Wolfman movie of 2011.
Twelve I don't.

885
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,360
And maybe it's because like K&B,
like Nicotero is always like in

886
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,160
front of the camera, like he
often like talks about his work

887
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,400
and not in a way that's like
braggadocious.

888
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,880
Like he's very matter of fact.
He's like helped create The

889
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,360
Creepshow TV series and maybe
it's like he's in front of

890
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,600
everything.
I just I can't think of another

891
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,480
practical effect shop or like
their sort of reach at this

892
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,800
point.
They are sort of the big one,

893
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,160
yeah, for sure.
And obviously they kind of are

894
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,080
part of that, that lineage going
from that came from sort of

895
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,840
different areas.
You know, you have the Dick

896
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Smith lineage that goes to Tom
Savini, that goes to Greg

897
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Nicotero and then Howard Berger
working with Stan Winston and,

898
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,960
and you know, things like that.
So you you have all you have

899
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,920
sort of this learning from the
masters coming together into

900
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,960
one, one company, which is, you
know, Mark Shostrom was pretty

901
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,480
key in their development to Evil
Dead to I should mention that so

902
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,720
that I don't get yelled at
again.

903
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,080
And long story, I won't share
here.

904
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,720
And yeah, so there's that's
those are some of the things

905
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:48,640
that I think.
Yeah.

906
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,240
So I think they kind of lucked
out too, because they got they

907
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,440
got, they went right after their
formation.

908
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,160
They like went from doing horror
movies to doing like to be

909
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,600
brought in to like do Dances
with Wolves and Braveheart.

910
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,480
You know, I mean, it's like, so
they're not just doing sort of

911
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,240
niche stuff.
They're kind.

912
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,920
Of.
Doing everything, which is

913
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,320
pretty cool to have that
opportunity.

914
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,600
And they really had those
opportunities, which is awesome

915
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,160
for them, yeah.
Excellent.

916
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,120
Well, what wasn't so excellent
was the release of this film.

917
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,760
It does get like the big summer
blockbuster release.

918
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,960
It gets a first let look South
by Southwest in March 2010 and

919
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,840
it gets like a July 10 release
like Predator 2.

920
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640
It goes up against really
formidable competition.

921
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,280
We talked about Predator 2 going
up against Dances with Wolves

922
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,600
and Home Alone and Three men and
a little lady.

923
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,160
Like that's tough to kind of go
against.

924
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,760
Steve Guttenberg.
You don't bet against the Goots

925
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,520
at the box office and.
Honestly, can we get a Predator

926
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,320
where Steve Guttenberg takes on
the Predator and hand to hand

927
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,440
comedy wins like Daniel ever
does in front of the two?

928
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Let me tell you, if Steve
Guttenberg was in Home Alone,

929
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,520
like if he was one of the Wet
Bandits, Kevin McAllister is a

930
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,560
dead man is all I'm saying.
If you have a much different

931
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,120
movie, you're dealing with the
dead kid.

932
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,560
You just you don't bet against
the boots, OK?

933
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,800
OK, but how would Kevin
McAllister fare against a

934
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,960
Predator?
Well, he crushed it pretty

935
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,920
handily at the box office.
So I don't know, man, if

936
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,960
somebody who's out there that's
very talented with like splicing

937
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,840
videos together wants to create
a little YouTube video of like a

938
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,680
predator taking the paint cans
off the head and maybe like his

939
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,280
head, like the dreads catching
on fire.

940
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,880
You know, like with the if
somebody out there wants to do

941
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,160
that, that would be fucking
amazing.

942
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,440
That would be.
Incredible.

943
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,160
And then it ends with with
McAllister getting his like

944
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,160
Macaulay Culkin getting his
spine ripped out.

945
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,600
I don't know, like that would be
how have we not we need to write

946
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,400
this movie, kind of just make
this, make this happen.

947
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,840
Honestly, just Kevin McAllister
versus like different horror

948
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,120
villains like Kevin McAllister
versus the Night of the Living

949
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,480
Dead zombies, Kevin McAllister
versus like the home invaders

950
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,160
from The Purge or something like
this.

951
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,560
This concept writes itself.
It does.

952
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,960
This would be amazing.
Do you think Macaulay Culkin

953
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,440
would be down for it?
I bet you know what he might.

954
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,200
Yeah, he might.
He seems to have a good sense of

955
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,400
humor, he certainly.
Does yeah, Yeah.

956
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,480
Let's see what happens.
Let's make it happen on.

957
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,920
Pendulum Studios, we, we've got
a full slate coming up for. 2023

958
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,880
only this is all we do for like
50 movies.

959
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,720
That's to say, just like.
We better establish a really

960
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,360
fast, really good working
relationship with Macaulay

961
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,760
Culkin.
Run the concept if Macaulay

962
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,240
Culkin if you're listening to
this.

963
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,520
We know you're a third Mac.
So back in Me Too with Us

964
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,520
documentary of making all these
movies.

965
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,240
Did he do my girl like he used
to give you guys in like, yeah.

966
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,560
The first time.
We could do my girl too.

967
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,800
There is a my girl.
Too.

968
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,120
There is a my girl too, but he
was dead.

969
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,760
Yeah.
Is it a weekend and Bernie

970
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,560
situation where they bring?
Back his.

971
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Characters.
Different boy, different boy.

972
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Well then there's played by the
kid from Last Action Hero.

973
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,120
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, so there's our next like

974
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,520
if we don't want to do a non
horror movie my girl three with

975
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,560
like dead Macaulay Calkin kind
of fan like.

976
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,520
A combination of my boyfriend's
back and my girl just kind of

977
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,960
match those two together.
Yeah, yeah.

978
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,560
My Boyfriend's Back.
Directed by former guests on

979
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,000
this show.
No, Written by former guests on

980
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,520
this show.
Adam Marcus from Friday the

981
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,560
13th, Part 9.
Jason goes to hell again.

982
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,680
The good one, The one that I
love so fucking much.

983
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,680
Anyway, this movie goes up
against Minions.

984
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,920
I'm sorry.
Despicable Me and The Twilight

985
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,200
Saga.
Eclipse.

986
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,440
So a predator is no bad
Twilight.

987
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,200
Little yellow minions.
Is there a?

988
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Twilight.
I didn't hate Eclipse almost.

989
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,680
OK.
Yeah.

990
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,280
That's that's a full quote right
there.

991
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,320
Twilight Saga Eclipse.
Shark Boy and Lava Girl or

992
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,080
Eclipse?
Eclipse OK.

993
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,400
Eclipse.
Yeah.

994
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Eclipse at least.
It's fascinating to see where

995
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,360
like they would come from.
Yeah.

996
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,920
Yeah.
But it's not.

997
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,640
It's third place behind
Despicable Me and this Twilight

998
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,440
movie.
So it's sparkling.

999
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,440
It's a fun movie.
It's a very fun movie, so.

1000
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,760
Steve was.
Also sitting at the hand waiver

1001
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,600
there.
I'm more of a megamind guy than

1002
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,040
a Despicable Me guy, so I mean,
I feel like I'm in the minority

1003
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,400
there so.
Megamind's a good one.

1004
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,680
I would say yeah, So it's not a
bomb, but it can, it's fair to

1005
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,640
say it underperforms.
Like it's made for about 40

1006
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,640
million, which is really cheap
for like a movie that's like

1007
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,360
very, it's very reliant on
visual effects and practical

1008
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,480
shooting locations.
But it only makes like

1009
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,920
52,000,000 here in the US and
about 75,000,000 overseas with

1010
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Japan and the UK being their,
like, bigger markets.

1011
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,400
Yeah, with size, like in
relation to the size of the

1012
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,560
population overall.
So it makes like 127,000,000.

1013
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,800
Not really what they're looking
for in terms.

1014
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,960
So the idea of like Aiden Brody,
Predator star like that is

1015
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,960
quickly jettisoned.
Yeah.

1016
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,840
Yeah.
So.

1017
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,120
Should we just get into it?
Should we just get?

1018
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,280
Into it.
Let's just.

1019
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,000
Get into it.
What the fuck is Adrian Brody

1020
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,400
doing as like an action star?
I'm doing the Christian Bale

1021
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Batman voice in this whole
movie.

1022
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,480
I get what they're trying to do
here.

1023
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,800
Like they're you're trying to
subvert my expectations.

1024
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,200
Like I'm going into this
thinking of Arnold and you're

1025
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,840
giving me like, you went the
complete 180 and you went with,

1026
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,480
yeah, the pianist or the
brutalist, like just this.

1027
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,800
And I mean, yes, he does put on
some muscle for this role so

1028
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,120
that he can look somewhat
impressive later in the film.

1029
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,160
He does I.
Mean he looks better than any of

1030
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,640
us do shirtless.
It's been a few years since I

1031
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
looked that good.
I've never looked that good

1032
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,280
shirtless and I never will to be
clear.

1033
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,200
I'm just self aware enough to
recognize that like.

1034
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,480
He's.
And and, and this is Brody

1035
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,480
trying to pivot to a new phase
of his career.

1036
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,480
Like, yes, I've already got the
awards, accolades.

1037
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,720
Now I want to go and, you know,
I want to get my franchise.

1038
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,160
Yeah.
I want to make money.

1039
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:36,320
It's like really, you know, It's
like when, you know, when

1040
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Nicolas Cage is like, why do you
make all these movies?

1041
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,200
It's like, well, these castles
are not hard to, you know?

1042
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,400
They're.
Yeah, but.

1043
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,600
The first episode of Action
Comics did not come cheap.

1044
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:53,320
Yeah, I mean, he's doing the
Hugh Jackman is Wolverine voice,

1045
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Christian Bale is Batman.
You know, coming off of like The

1046
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,280
Dark Knight is like there's no
way that that doesn't influence.

1047
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,840
And it's the way I picture it
is.

1048
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,280
It's like, do you guys remember
the Charles Atlas comic strips?

1049
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,920
Like you would like read a comic
book and you would have.

1050
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,680
Like.
Yeah, like, it's almost like,

1051
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,960
picture that comic strip with
like, Adrien Brody is the 98 LB

1052
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,160
weakling getting his sand kicked
in his face by a Predator, and

1053
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,080
then he goes and works out and
the last panel is Arnold Schwarz

1054
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,800
beating up the Predator.
Like that's how it would go.

1055
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,320
See.
See, I know that reference

1056
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,840
because I have played The Rocky
Horror Show.

1057
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,080
So, by the way, Rocky Horror
Picture Show celebrating its

1058
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,680
50th anniversary.
I think I'm taking the kiddo to

1059
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,720
see.
Love that.

1060
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,200
Excellent.
So.

1061
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,280
But yeah, that's what that song
is all about.

1062
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:45,680
Yeah.
A weakling.

1063
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:53,280
It's weighing 19 and it was.
Just 7 days and behind the

1064
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,560
scenes, like they were very
aware of how this was going to

1065
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,480
get received.
It seemed like that because when

1066
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,280
you watch like any interviews
about the movie from this time,

1067
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,440
like they're very much in their
feelings.

1068
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,240
Like, well, you know, back in
the 80s, that's what we thought

1069
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,360
men look like.
And it would be ridiculous to do

1070
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,360
that.
And we wanted like soldiers look

1071
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,160
different now.
And it is the time of The Bourne

1072
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,080
Identity and like Matt Damon
action star and Daniel Craig is

1073
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,760
your James Bond like they're
going to like a more they.

1074
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:27,360
Dude is jacked serious.
So, right, this is very much

1075
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,240
sort of that, you know,
continuation of the 80s person

1076
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,240
is just, you know, more natural.
But nothing that nobody does in

1077
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,760
this movie for me is
commensurate with what even

1078
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,880
Damon is doing in the Bourne
films or what Craig is doing in

1079
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,520
his Bond films.
Like he doesn't.

1080
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,000
He's going for the persona
without doing any of the stuff

1081
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,800
required to actually fit into
that persona.

1082
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,840
There's nothing impressive here
that he's doing other than the

1083
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,400
fact that he put on some muscle
mass.

1084
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,800
Like he looks good with a shirt
on, but he's not really living

1085
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,560
up to the the title of action
star.

1086
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,560
There's nothing he does here.
He fires a lot of guns, but

1087
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,400
like, he doesn't do what Arnie
does in the first film and lift

1088
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,400
a fucking Jeep and send him
rolling down a hill.

1089
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,240
Like we don't have anything like
that.

1090
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,160
And let's be honest, if he were
doing any of that shit, it would

1091
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,320
be ridiculous.
Yeah.

1092
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,400
So.
Like if this.

1093
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,920
Isn't the right film for that.
He feels like very

1094
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,480
self-conscious.
You know, you're watching him

1095
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,000
and you're watching this
performance like you.

1096
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,560
It feels like you're watching
like Adrian Brody the actor

1097
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,240
struggle with like he knows that
he already knows how this is

1098
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,960
going to be received and he's in
his own.

1099
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,920
He's a phenomenal actor.
I mean like.

1100
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,960
Yeah, he is.
Oscar for The Pianist like the

1101
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,240
Brutalist is incredible.
Like Grand Budapest Hotel, like

1102
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,320
it's one of like Wes Anderson's
masterpieces.

1103
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,640
Not APTA, but AWA film again.
I'll watch everything that Wes

1104
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,520
Anderson does, but not all
right.

1105
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:55,400
We'll get off that.
Stick.

1106
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,200
So I do have a question, though.
Well, well, if Adrian Brody

1107
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,280
doesn't do this, I mean, who's
who's the better casting?

1108
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,760
Jason this year?
Jason Statham, I think is a

1109
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,280
great idea.
I think.

1110
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,960
Like, I know it would have been
against what he was doing at the

1111
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,240
time, but Bradley Cooper.
Yeah.

1112
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,000
Oh, he would have been great at
this.

1113
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,200
Yeah, I and and so those are the
kind of that's what came to my

1114
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,440
mind.
Chris Pine.

1115
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,720
Sure.
Any of the Chris's, In all

1116
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,720
honesty, like any of the Chris's
could have done.

1117
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,560
This the time was even part of I
wouldn't.

1118
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,640
Have done Pratt because I just.
And Hemsworth, I said at the

1119
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,280
time.
He.

1120
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,880
Was Hemsworth hasn't hit yet,
and Hemsworth doesn't hit until

1121
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,160
2011 with her.
So that's the year after this.

1122
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,600
So Hemsworth's not my place yet.
I mean, yeah, could you have

1123
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,600
seen like a?
Parks and Rec at the top, yeah.

1124
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,520
Right.
Could you have seen like a John

1125
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,560
Krasinski like I know he would
do like the Jack Reacher?

1126
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,360
He wanted to be Captain America.
Like he would have been

1127
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,520
auditioning for Captain America
around probably the same time

1128
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,920
they were auditioning for this,
right?

1129
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,960
But is part of the star to carry
a movie like this?

1130
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,960
He's in the office.
I mean, The Office is like the

1131
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,000
number one comedy.
It's the number one sitcom in

1132
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
America.
He was kind of the thing he's

1133
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,560
doing on the office.
He was doing quirky comedy ish

1134
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,600
movies at the time.
When he was doing movies he was

1135
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,360
in like leather heads.
And leather heads, I mean now.

1136
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,280
But he him separate from gym,
you know, I mean how I don't

1137
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,400
know a few years.
Later.

1138
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,680
Yeah, he's Jack, right?
A.

1139
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,440
Few years later, he's doing like
A Quiet Place and he's like

1140
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,320
leading that to 200 million.
So I think he could pull in more

1141
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,600
than like 50 million in the US
than like I think more people

1142
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,280
would go see John Krasinski in a
movie called Predators than

1143
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,040
Adrian Brody in a movie called
Predators.

1144
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,720
Like Adrian Brody is not like
he's a phenomenal actor, but

1145
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,640
like you don't associate him
with this kind of material,

1146
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,200
especially when you see like
they try so hard to give him

1147
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,000
like catchphrases, like we're
going to need a bigger planet.

1148
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,240
And you're like, Oh my God, that
is it hurts it it physically

1149
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,400
hurts my soul.
No one.

1150
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,520
Can deliver that line OK, that
is an impossible.

1151
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,200
Line.
I don't think so.

1152
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,320
I think it could be done.
Roy Schneider could deliver it.

1153
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:13,560
I was going.
To Schneider could do.

1154
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,120
It Roy Schneider could, but
Adrian Brody is no Roy

1155
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,680
Schneider.
Macaulay Culkin could have

1156
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,240
delivered it in our way.
Could this movie that's coming

1157
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,360
soon to a a small theater near
you?

1158
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,800
I mean, we could just dress up
like Predators, like buy the

1159
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,600
costumes, have someone film it
on like an iPhone 17 Pro and

1160
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,640
just find out where he lives.
I think you might have me to go

1161
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,920
through to get that so.
We can totally just do this.

1162
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,360
Predators because there's
there's that movie like yeah,

1163
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,560
why only one we could be twins
that's.

1164
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,080
Right.
The predator.

1165
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:57,360
The big fat predator twins.
I feel like I'm the only person

1166
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,680
in the country not losing weight
in Wigovi.

1167
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,840
Like I feel better but like I've
lost 10 lbs and I'm like there

1168
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,080
should be a lot more here.
Anyway, that's me complaining

1169
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,480
about my slow weight loss
journey.

1170
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,520
But I had a quick one and then I
slowly gained it back and that

1171
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,240
was stuck.
Yeah.

1172
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,680
So hey, we're.
There's that.

1173
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,480
There's that movie Escape from
Tomorrowland, where like they go

1174
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,240
to Disney and they film
themselves.

1175
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,920
Amazing.
Why don't we do that with

1176
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,520
Macaulay Culkin and just
terrorize him like a?

1177
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,800
Bowfinger style finger.
Yeah, there we go.

1178
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:38,400
Bowfinger and Mac.
Greatest This is the greatest

1179
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,440
idea I've ever had.
This is.

1180
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,160
Yes, for just for legal reasons.
I do want to mention just again

1181
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,320
on the recording, this is all a
joke.

1182
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,160
None of this is serious.
Just in case.

1183
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,280
Macaulay Culkin has very good
lawyers, and I'm sure he does.

1184
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,880
I can't make that disclaimer.
I illegally can.

1185
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,640
Admit Mike.
Brian, you better say something

1186
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,360
quick.
I don't know man.

1187
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,760
I I think I might.
Discuss it on the Slack.

1188
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,560
There it sounds.
Discuss it on the slack I mean.

1189
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,240
Are you would be stalking?
I probably don't want to be

1190
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,960
involved with, but you know, all
inherent.

1191
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,240
Within the bow.
Fingering premise I am inspired

1192
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,400
by, you know, the Roger Cormans
and the Larry Cohens of the

1193
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,720
world to go gorilla and do some
crazy film making shit.

1194
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,520
Ari is always down for a good
crime, so I feel like she'd be

1195
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,640
she.
Just won't admit to any of them

1196
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,640
on the podcast the way the rest
of.

1197
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,160
Us that's good for her goes
missing we will know she's like.

1198
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:46,560
You'll never catch me, you know,
which is Speaking of the office,

1199
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,160
like prison Ari.
She could have delivered that

1200
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,600
monologue from the office.
Like that would have been

1201
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,480
anyway, moving on prison Ari,
which is so I just think like

1202
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,680
the one hurdle this movie has is
like Adrien Brody at the center

1203
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,560
of it and like honestly, like by
the time you get an hour into

1204
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,120
it, it kind of.
It's not really the center of

1205
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:07,680
anything.
It's.

1206
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,760
Almost like.
It's really ensemble for most

1207
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,600
of.
Them yeah, it is, which is true

1208
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,840
helpful.
And the rest of the can we just

1209
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,800
talk about how stacked the rest
of this cast is because

1210
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,840
absolutely everybody in this
cast is incredible.

1211
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,040
Like you've got a pre fame
Walton Goggins, a pre fame

1212
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,760
Ursula Ali.
You've got Alice Braga, who is

1213
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,240
like a Brazilian, like the
Brazilian version of the Academy

1214
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,240
Awards.
She's already won best actress

1215
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,720
there by this point.
Like just an incredible actress.

1216
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:42,040
You've got SAG ensemble winner
Topher Grace for traffic.

1217
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,080
Yep, Topher Grace is in Steven
Soderbergh's traffic hashtag.

1218
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,840
Never forget.
You've got Danny Trejo look

1219
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,160
alike.
Danny Trejo?

1220
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,040
Yes, You know the story about
that, right, Brian?

1221
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:56,360
No, I do.
Not so.

1222
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,280
There's the original script for
Predators had his character

1223
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,040
listed as a guy who looks like
Danny, Trejo and Trejo.

1224
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,080
Reads the script and.
Calls, calls Rodriguez.

1225
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,920
He goes, hey, I hear the script
for Predators.

1226
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,680
That movie you're making has a
has a role for a guy who looks

1227
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,480
like Danny Trejo.
Guess what?

1228
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:18,280
I look just like Danny Trejo.
Who looks like Danny Trejo?

1229
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,440
Out, Danny.
Trejo Danny Trejo look a like

1230
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,600
Danny Trejo.
Right.

1231
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,800
I mean, he's.
There's a great documentary.

1232
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,720
It's like I I think it was the
same people who did that guy

1233
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,280
Dick Miller.
They did.

1234
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,760
It's like, you know, I know you
from whatever and Danny Trejo's

1235
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,920
in that and like Luis Guzman and
guys like that, you know, that

1236
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,520
guy in that thing kind of thing.
And there is no one like Danny

1237
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,320
Trejo, no.
Is Walton Goggins pre fame?

1238
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,920
I guess he has done the shield.
He's already done the shield,

1239
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,200
but that doesn't.
He went.

1240
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,160
I know Chiklis won a bunch of
Emmys.

1241
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,520
No, I don't.
Shield was a big show.

1242
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,640
It was.
I don't think Goggins even gets

1243
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,840
nominated until Justified, to be
honest with, because he's only

1244
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,960
been nominated and he's never
won an Emmy.

1245
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,280
But he was nominated for yeah.
His first nomination comes for

1246
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,200
Justified and then he doesn't
get nominated again until

1247
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,800
Fallout last year.
And when did Justify run that

1248
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,120
2000?
10 Righteous Gemstones.

1249
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,440
Because that once get nominated.
Which is a fucking crime

1250
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,640
travesty.
Because baby Billy Freeman is on

1251
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,440
my Mount Rushmore of television
character.

1252
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,720
Yeah, Walton Goggins.
Baby Billy is one of the

1253
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,560
greatest television performances
of my lifetime.

1254
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,800
All the shows he did with Danny
McBride, he's great in.

1255
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,520
Vice Principals is hilarious.
He's.

1256
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,240
Incredible in the shield, like
it's just where I mostly would

1257
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,520
have known him from.
Like he's just that kind of

1258
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,800
performer that like everything
he's like soul star who like

1259
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,720
appears in Deadwood and other
soul star is another really good

1260
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:51,120
character actor who I think
Goggins maybe has more range.

1261
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,640
Like he can go from action to
drama to comedy and like slip in

1262
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,720
and out.
And now he's he's also doing

1263
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,680
Fallout now as the ghoul.
It's the most.

1264
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,120
Recent season of the White Lotus
as well where she's incredible

1265
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,760
in yeah.
Yeah, like he makes every single

1266
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,840
thing he does like much, much
better.

1267
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,280
So.
And you get like Larry

1268
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,120
Fishburne, like Morpheus
himself, like showing up for 20

1269
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,760
minutes and like that is when
the movie it.

1270
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,000
Yeah, when that totally, when he
shows up, like that's when the

1271
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,760
movie like gets much more
entertaining right from that.

1272
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,440
And not just like the 20 minutes
he's in, but that whole last

1273
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,040
hour I'm like, all right, I'm
much more locked in.

1274
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,000
I feel like putting his name
above the title is a mistake

1275
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,520
because you're expecting him to
show up and then when he does,

1276
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,400
you're like, oh great, Larry's
finally in this movie.

1277
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,800
It's going to take off.
And then he's dead like less

1278
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,440
than 20 minutes later and you're
like.

1279
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,880
I mean, that's your biggest star
at this point, Yes, he's your

1280
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,720
biggest star.
I mean, he's the hand.

1281
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,160
Yeah.
You know, he's like a Matrix

1282
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,520
movie.
He does hoodlum.

1283
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,400
Like, he does so much great
work.

1284
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,640
You know, he's not Hannibal
still a few years away where

1285
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,680
he's like, you're the definitive
Jack Crawford.

1286
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,720
But he's.
And it's almost like I look at

1287
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,000
his performance here, like I
look at Dennis Hopper in Texas

1288
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,319
Chainsaw Massacre 2.
Like, does this guy even know

1289
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,160
he's in a movie?
Like to me, it feels very much

1290
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,560
like Fishburne came out to like
Troublemaker Studios and was

1291
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,359
like hanging out like, hey, Rob,
well, what's up?

1292
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,680
What's going on?
And Rodriguez is like, what if

1293
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,479
we slip this dude some shrooms
and then just let the cameras

1294
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,359
roll for an hour or two?
And that's what his performance

1295
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:36,640
feels like.
Very.

1296
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,760
And I love it.
Like, I'm not faulting it.

1297
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,399
He's so good in this.
And when you?

1298
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:43,560
Heads and tails above everyone
else in this cast.

1299
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,520
Like it's, it's absurd.
How good.

1300
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,040
He is, yeah.
The only note I made in terms of

1301
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,960
like what I might have done
different is what?

1302
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:58,000
Because they obviously want to
tie this into the first Predator

1303
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,080
movie in particular.
But I'm thinking like, if you

1304
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,160
brought Danny Glover's mic back
for this, like he was the one

1305
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,479
that had been abducted after the
second movie at some point

1306
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,720
because we saw Danny Glover in
Saw, like he can do unhinged.

1307
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,520
Right.
And when he does saw, he thinks

1308
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,479
all the takes that are in the
movie, he thinks those are

1309
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,840
rehearsals.
Like he doesn't know that on is

1310
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,479
like using one take and then
moving on because they just have

1311
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:31,359
no money to do more than one
take is So for the guy who's

1312
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,840
giving like his practice take to
be as like fun as he is and saw

1313
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,760
he could have easily done this
role and it would have tied it

1314
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,359
into the franchise.
I think maybe a little better.

1315
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,920
Not that I want to give up like
Fishburne's Fishburne and the

1316
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,000
Adrien Brody role.
It's a little bit different.

1317
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,920
He's a bit older.
You're telling me he couldn't do

1318
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,560
what Adrian Brody does better in
this movie?

1319
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,800
And then you have him above the
top of the the bill as well.

1320
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,160
Like I fucking watch the hell
out of that.

1321
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,480
There was a version of this
script that had a cameo for

1322
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:04,160
Harrigan in it.
I don't know if it was this or

1323
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,000
if it was something else, but
eventually when I think when

1324
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,560
they couldn't get Arnold, they
were just like, well, then we

1325
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,240
won't bother trying to get
Glover either.

1326
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,040
So they just kind of wrote those
both out.

1327
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,160
I don't know if it was this or
if it was something else, but

1328
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,240
yeah, there was rumors that that
had been the case.

1329
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,800
Yeah, And I know they had talked
about Arnold, like joining up

1330
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,840
with the Predators is one of the
hunters, but that was the

1331
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,520
original idea.
And I do think that maybe this

1332
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,360
was the Arnold idea as well.
And you could see that given how

1333
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,160
Predator ends when, like, that
movie ends, he's like Sally at

1334
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,160
the end of Texas Chainsaw
Massacre.

1335
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,760
Like, he's got that far off.
Like, part of him has never left

1336
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,520
that jungle.
And you could see why he'd want

1337
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,640
to go back to it at that point.
Yeah.

1338
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,400
I just think that it's like,
that would have been another

1339
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,160
thing.
But I mean, Fishburne is so

1340
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,800
fucking good here, like you
said.

1341
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,920
I think Fishburne, because
Fishburne is so good at comedy,

1342
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,480
like he's an Emmy winner.
I think for blackish or no, a

1343
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:06,920
nominee for black like a comedy
show on ABC, like the man can do

1344
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:07,920
everything.
He's got the.

1345
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:08,640
Right.
Yeah, he can.

1346
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,400
So.
Yeah, him yelling at his

1347
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,440
imaginary friend for half of
this role is one of my favorite

1348
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:17,520
bits in this movie.
And it just the fact that he

1349
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,400
can't shut up because he's
constantly talking to somebody

1350
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,240
else.
Like, even when he's trying to

1351
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,880
play stealthy and, like, smoke
everyone out so he can get all

1352
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,200
their stuff, he's still look
what you did now, like screaming

1353
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,600
at the guy next to him who's not
really there.

1354
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,240
And it, it worked so well.
He's so funny.

1355
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,520
I agree.
Yeah, Yeah, I think.

1356
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,080
Sorry Bri, you first, but.
No, I, I, I was clearing my

1357
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,520
throat.
Well, I think part of why this

1358
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,200
works is because all the
ensemble characters just like in

1359
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,560
the first Predator movie work
really well.

1360
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,200
Like Louis Azawa makes a meal
out of not having a lot to do.

1361
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,080
Like Topher Grace is like good
in this movie as well.

1362
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,800
Like until the point up until
like.

1363
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,640
Well, you have to know here
about the heel turn.

1364
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,280
The heel turn.
We need to talk.

1365
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,680
Yeah.
OK, here's my thought about

1366
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Topher Grace.
I think if he had come up at a

1367
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,720
different time, he would have
had a career more like Tom Hanks

1368
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,920
or someone because he started
out.

1369
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:24,240
He can he's he's like good at
the nice guy comedy thing, you

1370
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:30,800
know, and but during this, when
he finished that 70s Show, going

1371
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,320
into his movie career, there
just wasn't that much going on

1372
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:38,640
with that because that world was
we comedies were raunchy and

1373
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,160
dark.
You know, there were a few

1374
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,080
people that were able to get in
on that.

1375
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:48,400
Steve Carell, I think, managed
to make it work, but but there

1376
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,840
just wasn't that space for, you
know, the money pit and you

1377
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,280
know, the burbs and stuff like
that.

1378
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,040
I.
Think Tom.

1379
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,880
Hanks did and then then you
transfer that, you know, that

1380
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,040
energy into dramatic roles.
I think he has a different

1381
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,920
career at a different time
because I think he ended up in

1382
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,440
this, He ended up in Spider Man
3, which is sort of like too bad

1383
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,040
for him sort of situation.
I enjoy that.

1384
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,320
I actually enjoy.
I think the movie is fine I I it

1385
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,440
just didn't for most people.
I I think stack up to the first

1386
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,880
two, which it doesn't.
Mods understand.

1387
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,800
Mental movies.
Those movies are among the.

1388
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,560
Best superhero movies?
I've ever seen and to be given

1389
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,880
Venom and then, you know, then
sort of lose it, right, because

1390
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,960
of the lack of success of that
movie.

1391
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,480
So.
He gives good creation, He.

1392
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,600
Just has a different career in a
different in a different era, I

1393
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,960
think.
You know, couple one quick thing

1394
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,520
you ask who else could do this?
The Adrian Brody role and I know

1395
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,520
it's probably like 8 years too
early, but we see Bill Hader and

1396
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,800
Barry.
It's like this amazing

1397
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,680
performance that straddles that
line between like very, very

1398
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,040
dark, but also like darkly comic
as well.

1399
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,880
And I think there's like a thing
with like the Predator movies as

1400
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,520
they are kind of comic like
there is a bit of a wink.

1401
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,360
Like, we know we're watching B
movies here, like these are

1402
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,640
pops.
Like Bill Hader could have done

1403
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,960
the Royce role and I think have
done it really well as well.

1404
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,840
But the heel turn itself here.
Stephen, you seem skeptical.

1405
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:21,320
I I like Bill.
Yeah.

1406
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,200
Yeah, for me, I I mean, I am
skeptical of your Bill Hader

1407
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,240
take.
I think Bill Hader now, yes,

1408
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,800
Bill Hader in 2010.
No, OK.

1409
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,400
It's just again that, but in
terms of the Topher, my partner

1410
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,640
and I were talking about Topher
Grace earlier after we watched

1411
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,160
this movie and she's she had
this take.

1412
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,760
She's like, I think Topher Grace
is someone who should only play

1413
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,040
villains because he gives good
creep.

1414
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,320
Like he's very good at playing a
very creepy.

1415
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,680
Like even his that 70s Show
character is kind of a creep for

1416
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,200
a lot of it.
Like in real life, he's less of

1417
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,840
a creep than the rest of that
cast, to be sure.

1418
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,960
But his role on the show is a
little, he's a, he's a bit of a

1419
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,880
skeeze for a lot of that.
And I think that plays well into

1420
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,760
what he's doing here.
I don't think, I don't know for,

1421
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,000
for me, it's one of those, it's
so obvious.

1422
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,320
Why didn't we see it?
But also like, I think you could

1423
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,920
have sold it a little better
too.

1424
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,600
And I don't know if that's on
him as a performer or on the

1425
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,640
script itself, too.
Like, it's just kind of one of

1426
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,480
those things where I'm like, I
want this.

1427
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,040
This.
It's one of those great ideas

1428
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,960
that I wish were better executed
in this movie is that he'll turn

1429
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,840
at the end where you find out
that, surprise, the guy you

1430
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,400
thought was the mild mannered,
quirky Comic Relief is, in fact,

1431
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:36,120
a serial killer who's been.
Yeah.

1432
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,680
Than just, you know, murdering
women and children.

1433
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,760
Indiscriminate.
I think the thing about this

1434
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,680
movie is there are so many good
ideas in this movie.

1435
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,360
Like there's a lot of like the
idea of like a yakuza going

1436
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,880
against the Predator or like a
samurai, which we see in killer

1437
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,600
of killers.
Like that's a great idea.

1438
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,240
The idea of this almost battle
Royale, like you have all of

1439
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,800
these killers on one planet
being hunted.

1440
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,600
Like that's a great idea for a
movie.

1441
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,400
Like Laurence Fishburne's idea
for a character, this guy who

1442
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,440
has been on there for years.
Like you can do a whole movie

1443
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,400
just on that.
That would be fascinating to

1444
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,640
see, like how having to fight
one after another after another

1445
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,000
over a period of many years
would go.

1446
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,200
There's like so many really good
ideas in this, none of them are

1447
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,960
developed enough.
And that's the biggest.

1448
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,720
Out and that is the biggest and
that's what keeps this down just

1449
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,400
a notch or two.
But it's fun and it's gives you

1450
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,600
some food for thought for other
stuff.

1451
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,440
And you get, you know, like
Louis Azawa makes a meal out of

1452
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:43,560
the little that he has to do and
he looks like 1,000,000 bucks

1453
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,680
when he doesn't like, I'm sorry,
he looks amazing.

1454
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,600
He does.
That scene, I mean, obviously so

1455
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,440
inspired by Kurosawa.
I mean, it's right out of it's

1456
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:56,400
right out of Seven Samurai,
right out of your Jimbo and it's

1457
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,400
fantastic.
I mean, and that's that's

1458
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,800
probably my favorite scene in
the movie, to be honest.

1459
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,480
It is.
I think it's fantastic.

1460
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,840
During legacy of this movie is
the the birth of the we need a

1461
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,000
predator to fight a samurai.
Like yeah, thing like that

1462
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,320
becomes the enduring that scene.
That one scene gives us this

1463
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,720
entire ravenous fanbase who all
they want to see is a samurai

1464
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,200
take on a Predator, which we do
finally see.

1465
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:25,280
We get ninja versus samurai
versus Predator in in Killer of

1466
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,880
Killers and it's really fun.
But you know.

1467
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,080
That's awesome.
You don't want a scene of that

1468
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,960
or a vignette of that.
You want a whole fucking movie

1469
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,920
of that.
And this, this movie is the

1470
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000
reason we have that.
That is, I would say the most

1471
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,560
enduring part of this film's
legacy is that consequence.

1472
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,400
Yeah, you get like that scene
too.

1473
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,240
Like it John Debney, who's the
composer here and he does his

1474
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,440
original film, but he also
borrows like very heavily from

1475
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:57,760
Alan Silvestri score for the
original Predator in particular.

1476
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,840
And he borrows like the cue
from, you know, Billy cutting

1477
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,160
himself in the chest and getting
set to make his last stand on

1478
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,880
the tree log.
Like so there's like definite

1479
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,840
callbacks to the first movie.
And I think it's one of the

1480
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,480
things to note here is like this
film, it's kind of like Predator

1481
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:21,120
in reverse, where in that film
Arnold as Dutch has his elite

1482
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,440
team already in place and they
are a well oiled machine.

1483
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,840
And the beauty of that movie is
like you see these like 6 guys

1484
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:35,120
that decimate a village with no
problem whatsoever get picked

1485
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,520
apart like butter through a hot
knife by this creature.

1486
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,480
So you understand how danger it
is.

1487
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,880
Here it's the opposite.
You have a group of people that

1488
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,880
have nothing in common that are
at each other's throats.

1489
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:52,240
Over time, work to become that
well oiled a machine in order to

1490
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,920
survive.
And there are just a lot of like

1491
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,160
ways this ties into the first
movie.

1492
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,040
So many kind of peril, like
George Lucas would call it

1493
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,560
poetry.
It rhymes.

1494
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:07,120
But it rhymes but it works.
Like I have this whole like list

1495
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,840
at the end of my notes.
I don't know if either of you

1496
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,200
caught it, but just the ways in
which I think the various

1497
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,640
characters are analogs for
characters in the first movie.

1498
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,840
Like I said, it seems like a
little bit of an overcorrection

1499
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,880
from 2 who like you've got Royce
is clearly your Dutch analog.

1500
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,080
He's the leader, you know, the
square jawed.

1501
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,480
I'm using heavy quotes because
Adrian Brody is not square

1502
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,040
jawed, but you know, just that
the strong leader who manages

1503
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,320
to, you know, set the traps that
ultimately brings down the

1504
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,280
killer.
I Noland is Dylan.

1505
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,680
He's the guy that's been in
there for a while who's no

1506
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,840
longer his former self for good
or I'll I think in the original

1507
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,280
predator, he's more of a out of
touch pencil pusher.

1508
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,840
Here he's a fucking out of his
mind lunatic, but he's got his

1509
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,040
own agenda.
That's that no one else knows

1510
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,880
about.
Isabel is Anna because woman but

1511
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,720
also she has experience with the
monster.

1512
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,240
But unfortunately again like
Anna, she kind of gets written

1513
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,680
out of the last chunk of the
movie by being paralyzed.

1514
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,160
She.
Needs to be rescued at the end.

1515
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,160
Like she's really competent.
And at the end of the movie,

1516
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,680
it's like, well, we need to have
a woman in peril for people to

1517
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,120
care, to care.
Which is.

1518
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:11,600
You know, yeah.
Mombasa, the Mahershala Ali

1519
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,720
character the the Sierra Leone
is Mac.

1520
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,760
He's the the stoic who dies
relatively early but manages to

1521
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,040
catch a glimpse of the monster
very early on.

1522
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,440
Like he's the guy that's locking
eyes with it.

1523
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:24,000
I think both Nikolai and Stan's
are Blaine.

1524
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,040
Nikolai's got the imposing
figure and the big F off Gatling

1525
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,760
gun, and Stan's has the sharp
wit and like Blaine, free use of

1526
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,360
the F slur but also the
relationship with the Mac

1527
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,680
analog.
Although in this film it's

1528
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,880
antagonistic whereas in the
original film it was friendly.

1529
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,280
Edwin, the serial killer Topher
Grace character is Hawkins.

1530
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,680
You're scrawny, out of place
Comic Relief, although Hawkins

1531
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,840
dies 1st and Edwin dies last.
So they kind of subvert that,

1532
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,680
flip that around a little bit.
And then Hanzo, obviously, is

1533
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,480
Billy, the the quiet but deadly
warrior who takes off his shirt

1534
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,840
for a standoff with the killer
to give everyone else a chance

1535
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,720
to escape.
Yeah, no, you're right.

1536
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,800
And I would say like the first
Predator, like the characters

1537
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,520
are a bit better written.
You know, there's a little bit

1538
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,760
more depth to them.
You get a little bit more of a

1539
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,760
feel for them.
That's why like and also partly

1540
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,720
like when Bill Duke dies, when
Carl Weather dies.

1541
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,440
When?
Jesse Ventura gets killed off.

1542
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:23,480
Like you really feel it.
Yeah.

1543
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,520
You could easily.
The character there's, I'm

1544
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,360
sorry, there's chemistry between
the actors in that movie too,

1545
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,800
because they've worked together
a lot before.

1546
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,600
I mean, you've got, you know,
Commando, you got Bill Duke and

1547
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,880
there and you get Jesse the
body, Ventura in the masterpiece

1548
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,680
that is The Running Man.
Wasn't that after Predator

1549
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,880
though?
Was it?

1550
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,040
I don't.
Know I think it was after.

1551
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,200
I think it's like the next movie
after, but yeah.

1552
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,320
OK, yeah, OK.
But but there's a feeling like

1553
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,360
they together, like they know
each other, like we.

1554
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,160
Talked in that first episode
that we recorded that like,

1555
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,320
Mctiernan brought them together
not so much to learn, like

1556
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,320
tactics or military, but just to
kind of mesh together as a

1557
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:04,240
group.
Sure.

1558
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,440
And that shows.
Whereas this group, they're

1559
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:09,080
supposed to be bickering
strangers and so the chemistry

1560
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,120
never develops.
Yeah, I do 5.

1561
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,720
In the morning lifting weights,
they're playing pranks on one

1562
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,880
another.
They're getting diarrhea.

1563
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,360
They're like shitting in holes
next to another.

1564
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,960
And also, I mean, the fact that,
like, Arnold was able to kind of

1565
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:30,560
like, subsume his charisma just
enough to let others shine, like

1566
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,840
realizing, like, the movie's
only going to be as good as

1567
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,480
everybody else lifting their
game.

1568
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:41,040
And you have like Carl Weathers,
Bill Duke, Jesse Ventura, these

1569
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,640
guys are all like Sonny Landom.
These guys are all charisma

1570
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,040
machines.
They're like they're impossible

1571
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,760
not to want to watch on screen
in ways that like this cast

1572
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,480
approaches.
It does approach it, but it's

1573
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:58,520
not quite at the same.
I do like the conceit of this

1574
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,280
movie that they all just kind of
drop in from, you know, they're

1575
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,600
suddenly abducted, then then
they wake up and they're flying

1576
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,080
in from to this.
Where are we?

1577
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,200
And I like that the movie starts
with in the air, like, holy

1578
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,400
shit, what's going on?
I do.

1579
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,840
I do think that's a that's a
good, strong way to start your

1580
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:19,840
movie.
Yeah.

1581
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,400
And so.
'Cause you're like, what are we

1582
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:25,400
doing here?
What's happening?

1583
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,160
Like you and Adrian Brody are in
the exact same position, 'cause

1584
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:29,480
you're like, I thought it was in
a Predator movie.

1585
01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:31,520
This is like no Predator movie
I've ever seen before.

1586
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,640
Yeah.
Do you think they undersell the

1587
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,200
reveal though?
That they're on an alien planet?

1588
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:42,520
Like it doesn't seem to really.
Well, because the big reveal is

1589
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,320
when they, they go out to the
edge of the Cliff and you know,

1590
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,120
there's all these, the planets
in the sky, right?

1591
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,200
I think that's a that's actually
one of the few things I remember

1592
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,600
from my first time watching
this.

1593
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:56,920
Yeah.
Was that.

1594
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,240
So I think that's a good moment.
But at the same time, there's

1595
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,440
not a lot that's really truly
exotic about, right.

1596
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,920
The planet.
I mean, if you, if you've been

1597
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,040
to Hawaii at least or even to
Florida, I mean it's there's.

1598
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:12,920
It looks like a joke in the
world.

1599
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:19,360
Traveler, it looks like a joke.
Sure, both coasts feel like both

1600
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:20,360
of them both.
Coasts.

1601
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,520
Yeah, I just feel like that
moment, like the they undersell

1602
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:30,200
the character's reaction to
like, holy shit, not only are we

1603
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,400
getting haunted, but like we're
in outer space somewhere.

1604
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,040
Like that to me would be a freak
out moment.

1605
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,680
Like that would be a like an
aliens exist like that to me

1606
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,880
would be a moment I would lose
my fucking mind and.

1607
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,880
Instead, what we get is we're
going to need a bigger planet.

1608
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,040
Like, yeah.
Yeah, really.

1609
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,240
Like let's talk about the
Predators a bit.

1610
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,440
So once you do get like men in
suits again, which is great,

1611
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:57,440
like which we love Derek Mears
plays the classic Predator,

1612
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:59,360
which I didn't even mention
that.

1613
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:04,520
So coming off of playing Jason
in the Friday the 13th reboot,

1614
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,680
which in a better world Jason
Mears would have like a Kane

1615
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,480
hotter type run.
Because.

1616
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:14,480
He is the best part of that of
that remake.

1617
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,640
But here he's the classic
predator.

1618
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,680
And you know, I think that I
really like this idea that you

1619
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,520
have this species that is
centered on hunting, but there's

1620
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:29,080
also this pecking order, like
they're not all the same and you

1621
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,640
have enough to the kind of
distinguish them here.

1622
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,280
And the berserkers are great
addition.

1623
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,280
Like that is a kind of
terrifying monster movie hunter.

1624
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,040
I love it.
That's one of the things I

1625
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,440
really like about this is
because, I mean, so often in

1626
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:48,680
movies that involve aliens, all
the aliens sort of look and

1627
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,920
behave pretty much the same.
OK, Here you can tell they're

1628
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:59,960
all of the same species, you
know, but they have uniqueness

1629
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:01,920
to them.
Some are bigger, some are

1630
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,640
smaller.
They have different, you know,

1631
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,080
growths on their faces.
They're all kinds of

1632
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,760
differentiations that are done
that make those things stand

1633
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,760
out.
Whereas in so many movies, you

1634
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,320
know, like they're all little
Gray men or they're all even the

1635
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,720
xenomorphs look in Aliens look
pretty much all the same.

1636
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:28,040
So I really do like that sort of
different approach to the look

1637
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:29,680
of the creature.
I mean, humans don't look the

1638
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,600
same.
Why should all the aliens look

1639
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,640
the same, right?
And generally, for for most

1640
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,280
part, it's I think it's one of
those things where it's, you

1641
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,120
know, it's about the symmetry
and, and what not.

1642
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,560
But no, I, I like the in the
caste system, I think is a

1643
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:47,280
really intriguing addition to
the lore of this franchise too,

1644
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,520
where you've got where you know,
Fishman, so the big ones hunt

1645
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,560
the little ones.
And so that explains why the

1646
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,320
classic predator is all tied up,
because you've got these even

1647
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,680
bigger, badder predators hunting
not only them, but him as well.

1648
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,640
And that's actually goes back to
George Lucas a little bit too,

1649
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,080
because he would always say,
well, Chewbacca is like a little

1650
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,320
guy.
He's a small Wookie.

1651
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,960
And then when he got to show the
the other ones in the third

1652
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,000
movie, it was like, they're
massive.

1653
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:15,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

1654
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,360
And, you know, at the time, they
got the tallest guy they could

1655
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,720
find.
And then, you know, 30 years

1656
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:25,120
later, they're twice as big.
They also have like a little dig

1657
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,000
it Alien once again, like when
they go into the kind of like

1658
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,840
trap that they set where that
first Predators tied up, you

1659
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,080
very clearly see like another
xenomorph skull that they focus

1660
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,560
on.
So I do like this continued like

1661
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,040
to me, Predator has like little
brother energy when it comes to

1662
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,160
Alien.
Like none of the movies are as

1663
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,600
good as Ridley Scott's Alien.
I'm sorry.

1664
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,560
Like that is a classic.
And you know, you do have in two

1665
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,600
years, Prometheus is going to
come up with Ridley Scott behind

1666
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,240
the camera again.
Predator always seems to have

1667
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,720
have this kind of like little
brother energy when it comes to

1668
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,040
like trying to take little digs
at the Alien franchise.

1669
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:11,440
But I do find, I think maybe
now, because the Xenomorph has

1670
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:16,680
been over explained in terms of
like where the origins come

1671
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,880
from, that like Predator as a
species, like there's enough

1672
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,200
lore there to keep you
interested, but it's not so laid

1673
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,800
out that there's no mystery left
whatsoever to it.

1674
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,440
And the production design too,
for these pieces like that

1675
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,320
killing field is incredibly well
done.

1676
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,400
Like seeing the Derek Mears
classic Predator strung out,

1677
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,400
seeing all like the bones and
the death around it.

1678
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,560
Like that's a freaky, freaky
scene and I love it.

1679
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,000
Even the design of the hunting
dogs.

1680
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,920
And you see the zerker has like
the tusks attached to it, like

1681
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,160
pull it off the dead animals.
Like I love that.

1682
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,960
So cool.
Yeah, the predator dogs kind of

1683
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:05,800
rule and are maybe my favorite
addition to the Lord for this

1684
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,800
film.
Like they're just and, you know,

1685
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,400
the notion of, oh, well, they
sent, they love how each of like

1686
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,720
the killers start to recognize
their own playbooks in what the

1687
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,960
predators are doing.
Like voice is like, oh, they

1688
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,080
send in the dogs to flush us
out, separate us, see how we're

1689
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,280
doing.
Well, how do you know?

1690
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:22,400
Well, that's what I would have
done.

1691
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,400
And then you see, like, when,
when Trejo's sitting dead in the

1692
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,560
field and they've got the voice
box on and like, Oh, no, you

1693
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,960
know, I injure 1.
He calls for help.

1694
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,080
You draw the rest out.
I've done it many times.

1695
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,240
Like them starting to recognize,
OK, I understand what this is

1696
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,680
because I see myself mirrored
here to the eventual reveal of

1697
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,040
we are all of us predators.
Their predators were predators.

1698
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,080
We're all killers, which is what
that's the title of the movie.

1699
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,200
Yep.
What you guys, we did it.

1700
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:57,920
The one thing they didn't do was
the trend that was happening,

1701
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:02,960
especially in the 90s, where you
say welcome to and then say the

1702
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,360
title of the movie, right?
Well, they didn't go to

1703
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,120
Predators.
Welcome to Predators.

1704
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,320
Yeah, which would have been
amazing.

1705
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,000
Kind of awkward to maybe work in
with this one.

1706
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,040
Honestly, I think it's better
than we need a bigger planet.

1707
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,480
Yeah, yeah.
Seriously.

1708
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,520
I think maybe.
Many things would be better than

1709
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,720
like honestly saying we're here
'cause we're a bunch of sex

1710
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,240
pests would have been better
than we need a bigger planet.

1711
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:33,200
There you go.
So I do I think there are other

1712
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,960
little nods to Alien like the
scene with the when Walton

1713
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,760
Goggins gets bit when his
character gets gone.

1714
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,720
Like that's a very clear like
visual reference to like the

1715
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,720
like John Hurt and a Veronica
Cataright going on to like

1716
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:52,760
LV2426, like the way that like
that's whipping around there.

1717
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,320
You get the classic predator
pose with the that's one of the

1718
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,520
iconography of this franchise is
also so great with the love.

1719
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,800
I don't know how ripping out a
spine would work.

1720
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,080
Like how you're able to do that
and keep the head attached.

1721
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,720
Like apparently maybe it's like
deboning like a shrimp.

1722
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,920
They've been.
Doing this a long time, Mike,

1723
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:16,360
They've developed a technique.
But that classic predator pose,

1724
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,400
like it works every time, like I
love.

1725
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,680
That so good.
Clearly they're looking to set

1726
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,080
up a sequel.
A sequel that never came here

1727
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,360
like the I haven't seen the
Predator but my understanding is

1728
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,640
it completely ignores yes this
movie.

1729
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,880
Entirely.
So you never know, like, does

1730
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,640
Adrian Brody ever get back to
planet Earth?

1731
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:38,720
But.
I you know.

1732
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,160
What?
Clearly setting it up.

1733
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,320
I have a feeling that Dan
Trachtenberg is probably going

1734
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,080
to do something thing with this
movie.

1735
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,880
I mean, he's already kind of
seated that he's wanting to try

1736
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,120
to bring a lot of these
disparate threads of this

1737
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,680
franchise together.
Like this is one of those weird

1738
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,680
movies where it's a franchise
very loosely connected to

1739
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,440
itself, and I think Trachtenberg
really wants to try to start to

1740
01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:02,800
tie those threads together.
That's the impression that I

1741
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,680
get.
And I think the ending of Killer

1742
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,040
of Killers kind of points us in
that direction and kind of gives

1743
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,040
us an idea of how that might
happen.

1744
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:14,000
But like, yeah, it, it feels
like maybe we haven't seen the

1745
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,200
last of of Royce or Isabel from
this film.

1746
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,360
Maybe it's a guess, but I don't.
That's it.

1747
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,760
OK.
So Adrian Brody start working

1748
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,880
out again.
Unless they decide to do it all

1749
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,160
as an animated film.
There you go.

1750
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,280
Which I think again given killer
of killers, may be a

1751
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,440
possibility.
If he came back and was just

1752
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:40,200
completely yoked for this movie,
like he's taking whatever Hugh

1753
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:45,040
Jackman has taken, which I'm
sure is all natural and over the

1754
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,960
counter supplements and whites
and chicken breasts.

1755
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,120
Sure, what a healthy.
Man, he comes back yoked.

1756
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:53,920
That would be kind of
incredible.

1757
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:59,160
I feel like if they referenced
this movie in the upcoming

1758
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,520
Badlands that it would be like
you would see the corpse.

1759
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,080
Like it'd kind of be like Alien
Covenant when you have Naomi

1760
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:10,120
Repace's character, like here's
how she met her end, right?

1761
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,320
And it would be kind of like
Inglorious and a bit of a let

1762
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:13,920
down.
I don't.

1763
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,160
Which is such a thing.
One of my biggest complaints

1764
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:17,680
about that movie.
But yes.

1765
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,200
Which is like, you're kidding
me.

1766
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,560
Yeah, right.
And what's really odd about that

1767
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,040
is, like, it's the same
screenwriter and director.

1768
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,200
Like what are we?
What are we?

1769
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,280
Doing here, you could have done
so many different things here

1770
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,240
and this is what you.
Chose That's what you chose.

1771
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,640
Do we have anything else on
this?

1772
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,360
Do we have anything else on this
movie?

1773
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:36,800
It's fun, man.
I dig it.

1774
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,160
You know?
I dig it a lot.

1775
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:40,640
This is easily my third favorite
Predator movie.

1776
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,680
Sometimes that's all a movie
needs to be.

1777
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,160
It's like a good 90 minutes plus
at the box office or on the

1778
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:52,040
couch and you can have some fun.
And it is a little.

1779
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,720
I struggle to get into it, but
like once Larry Fishburne shows

1780
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:01,240
up, even the flaws of the movie
I was tend tend to be more

1781
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,160
forgiving of over time and just
kind of like, all right, it's a

1782
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,000
fun.
Movie, which is kind of, you

1783
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,440
know, most they all kind of are.
I haven't, like I said, I've

1784
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:13,120
seen, I've not seen the
Predator, but the others, I

1785
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,920
mean, the first one, I mean,
it's trying to be an action

1786
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,320
movie with a horror element.
It's not trying to be, you know,

1787
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,920
Ridley Scott's Alien.
And so, and it works for that,

1788
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:29,840
you know, it is that.
And so I think a lot of the

1789
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,600
others have kind of fallen in
that footsteps.

1790
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,920
I mean, the second one kind of
takes on the noir element and

1791
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:39,800
for some reason voodoo cult,
which, you know, I'm always down

1792
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,480
for a good voodoo cult.
Who among us?

1793
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,520
Yeah, the thing about the late
80s, early 90s is they were

1794
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,520
incredibly racist.
Yes, I know.

1795
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,080
But you could not.
Yeah, they just, you know, any

1796
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:58,120
chance to have like a racially
stereotypical voodoo cult for

1797
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,880
Hispanic gang in the movie
exactly like you were.

1798
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,360
Definitely.
You were doing that.

1799
01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:04,360
How could you not?
It's.

1800
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:05,800
True.
It's true.

1801
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,720
Very true.
And yeah, so, and I mean, so

1802
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,040
they work, you know, this.
So I'm I'm actually curious

1803
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:16,280
about the Predator.
I'm a Fred Decker fan

1804
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:18,920
especially.
I'm interested to see what you

1805
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,440
guys think of it.
Honestly, and the monster squad

1806
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:25,200
or like but and he just the guy
just can't catch a break.

1807
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:26,640
It's my no.
Paper.

1808
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,920
It should work.
Shane Black and Fred Decker.

1809
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,280
Yeah.
On paper that should work.

1810
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,880
Yeah, well, I.
My understanding is that the

1811
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,640
studio didn't really let them
make the movie they wanted to.

1812
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,040
Make correct.
It's the Shane Black curse of He

1813
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,720
makes a really great movie and a
major studio goes oh, come make

1814
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,080
our big franchise film for us
and then immediately smack him

1815
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,520
and go not like that.
And then he goes and rebounds

1816
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,240
and makes another really great
movie and another studio.

1817
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,800
Oh, come make our really big
franchise film.

1818
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:55,280
Not like that.
Shane Black.

1819
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:59,320
Like whenever he does the
franchise shit, he gets mad

1820
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,840
studio meddling and then goes
back and does and just makes

1821
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,760
another fucking great movie.
Like he it was kiss kiss Bang

1822
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,520
Bang, Iron Man, 3 nice guys, the
Predator.

1823
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,840
And after that he's like you
know what, fuck it, not going to

1824
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:15,480
do that.
And though I think he does have

1825
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:17,400
another movie coming out later
this year from what I

1826
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,160
understand.
Well, and it's I mean, I know

1827
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:24,680
that the Predators not a Marvel
movie, but what you just said

1828
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,120
there, it's like what Marvel
studio does is you take these

1829
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,360
auteur directors that you want
to kind of have in your, you

1830
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:35,080
know, it's like a shining jewel
in your studio, but you don't

1831
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,080
let them do what makes them an
auteur.

1832
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,440
Like strip all of that away and
you're like, this is the

1833
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:44,400
assembly line.
You need to check all of these

1834
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,080
boxes and you're not going to
get what you really want to do.

1835
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,960
That kind of filmmaking, whether
it was like a superhero movie or

1836
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:55,360
not, like that is all the rage
in the 2000 tens heading into

1837
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:59,440
the 2000 twenties.
It feels like we're coming out

1838
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:01,240
of that now.
Which?

1839
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:05,080
Is a good thing and we're
getting some like good original

1840
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:09,160
works again and that conveyor
belt way of making movies is

1841
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,080
going away a bit.
I mean, I'm definitely going to

1842
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,960
see one battle after another
hopefully this weekend.

1843
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:20,640
And you have Warner Brothers
handed PTA somewhere between 130

1844
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:26,640
and 170 million to make an anti
ice kind of dramatic comedy like

1845
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,240
yes, please, OK, yeah, yes,
please and please and thank you.

1846
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,600
So.
Yeah, this has been kind of, I

1847
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,360
mean, we talk obviously horror
here, but I mean, I've seen a

1848
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,320
lot of movies this year that I
that have given me a lot of

1849
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,320
hope.
So I mean, even like in the

1850
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,120
comedy realm, I thought one of
them days just worked great for

1851
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:47,120
me.
I thought that was.

1852
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,280
Hilarious.
One of them days was really fun,

1853
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,480
yeah.
Really fun.

1854
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,080
I mean, and it's and it's
something different.

1855
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,480
It's not the same.
Kind of comedy.

1856
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,720
Thing, you know, conveyor belt
comedy, for example, and just

1857
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:01,880
lots of and just, you know, you
have Soderbergh doing whatever

1858
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,680
the fuck I want kinds of movies,
you know, as long as they're

1859
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,960
made for nothing and you know,
things like that.

1860
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,720
So it's, it's been, it's been
encouraging to see lots of

1861
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:18,280
different kinds of things. 100%
Well, I think you know, with one

1862
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,800
thing about, you know, if you're
listening to this show, I think

1863
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,000
all three of us here as well,
like we love movies.

1864
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,480
We just want to see, just want
to see successful films.

1865
01:38:27,480 --> 01:38:28,640
That's what we want at the end
of the.

1866
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,080
Day.
Exactly.

1867
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaking of success, gentlemen,
what do we have coming up to

1868
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,120
promote?
Like Steven, I know by the time

1869
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:40,080
this comes out like you'll be
off stage, but what do you want

1870
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,800
to promote right now?
Yeah, I'm just finishing up my

1871
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,720
run as the Reverend Jeremiah
Brown in a production of Inherit

1872
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,160
the Wind in Mokena, IL community
theater.

1873
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,240
Hooray, Hooray.
But for my own part, oh God, the

1874
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,200
Disenfranchised podcast.
We're getting ready to head into

1875
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,760
Spooky Thon.
We're covering thousands era

1876
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:01,520
horror remakes this year, doing
Willard, The Amityville Horror

1877
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,000
Prom Night, and The Town That
Dreaded Sundown of those

1878
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,120
remakes.
What are those movies underrated

1879
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,760
you want?
You want to come on for that

1880
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:11,920
one, Brian?
Hell yeah.

1881
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,040
OK, I'll put you on the list.
Hell yeah.

1882
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,200
But so, yeah, we're, we're we're
doing that over on

1883
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,520
Disenfranchise.
We're taking a a short break on

1884
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,400
Wells U, but we're getting ready
to come back now that my

1885
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,960
schedule's a little freer,
getting ready to talk about

1886
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:27,200
Voodoo Macbeth, the the play.
And then we're going to cover

1887
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,960
the 2021 film, I think, the week
after that.

1888
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,920
So a lot of fun stuff coming up
on Wells University.

1889
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,840
I'm also in a short micro budget
film, actually short.

1890
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,160
It's actually a feature length
film, but my part in it is very

1891
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,240
short and called Circle City
Supernatural 2.

1892
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,400
It's actually having its
premiere October 12th in

1893
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:49,280
Greenfield IN.
So if you're around, thank you

1894
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:52,080
very excited that one should be
hitting streaming.

1895
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,480
I think before the end of the
year should also be available on

1896
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:56,960
physical media at
endlesselsewhere.com relatively

1897
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,280
soon.
And then I'm also in the endless

1898
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,440
elsewhere or not endless
elsewhere.

1899
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:03,760
It's.
Yeah, yes, it is Endless

1900
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,120
Elsewhere, Endless Elsewhere
Halloween special for the

1901
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,840
Endless Elsewhere podcast, so
you can check that out wherever

1902
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:12,120
your podcasts are sold.
But yeah, a lot of me coming up

1903
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:13,400
this month, so it's going to be
great.

1904
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,880
Very cool.
There's never such a thing as

1905
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,080
too much Steven.
Fox TV.

1906
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,840
I know I have a lot of exes who
would disagree with you.

1907
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:26,760
I'll fight them, you give me
their addresses and a way to get

1908
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,800
a hold of them.
And maybe with the patrons we

1909
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,240
set up like fights, I don't
know.

1910
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,920
Probably should cut that hard,
but probably keep it so I'm only

1911
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,200
making myself look bad, which
I'm OK with.

1912
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,600
I mean, I all right, Brian,
you'll be happy to know before I

1913
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:43,720
have you pitch that.
Maybe should just say that.

1914
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,640
You know what, I'll save it for
when we do the patron because

1915
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,160
there we go.
Very Brian centric, not in a bad

1916
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,160
way, but Brian, what do you
have?

1917
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:54,920
So I will cut now.
Now I'm too curious, Mike.

1918
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:56,920
I'll, I'll, but I'll, I'll get
to.

1919
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,760
I can wait.
I'll get to.

1920
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:58,720
It wait a second.
Brian.

1921
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,640
What do you have to pitch?
Not a lot, to be honest.

1922
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,600
We're sort of in the time of
year where, you know, not as

1923
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,280
many editorials coming out, but
I've got a couple in the hopper

1924
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,360
that are out there that
hopefully make it and I, you

1925
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,800
know, getting ready to pitch
some more stuff, I'm sure.

1926
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:20,640
I'm really wanting to focus on
getting this book written

1927
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:26,040
finally that I've been stewing
for too long and just need to do

1928
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,480
about Wes Craven and some
things.

1929
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,520
OK, so I have been on a couple
of podcasts lately.

1930
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,960
Apparently I'm going to be on
Disenfranchise talking about the

1931
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:39,640
Town that Dreaded sundown.
I was on a couple episodes of

1932
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,960
Schlock and Awe recently with
Lindsay Wilkins, who's

1933
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:47,240
delightful, and we talked about
Aguirre, The Wrath of God and

1934
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:51,360
Paddington and Peru for one
episode and which was.

1935
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,000
The hell of a double feature.
Brian, it was.

1936
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:57,440
It was a moment, it was it was
beautiful.

1937
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:00,760
And then we talked about my
favorite, one of my very

1938
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:04,040
favorite movies, Magnolia and
Frogs.

1939
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:07,480
If you've ever seen frogs with
Sam Elliott, that's wild.

1940
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,240
Yes, I have.
Ray Mill and yeah.

1941
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:13,840
And I'm, I'm going to be on
again to talk about during

1942
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:18,000
October, we're going to be
talking about my other beloved

1943
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,040
Scream Four and which I've
talked about often.

1944
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:25,120
I know Scream Four and we're
doubling that with Ingrid Goes

1945
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:31,240
West, so that'll be fun.
And yeah, I'm continuing that

1946
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:35,160
Frankenstein series I'm writing
about the Man with two brains at

1947
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,520
the moment, along with some
other movies of that era.

1948
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:43,120
And yeah, that's been sort of my
passion project for going on

1949
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,760
three years now.
And really been enjoying

1950
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,840
continuing to do that and I am
watching everything, everything

1951
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:54,920
and I do it for you.
Well, listeners for our sins,

1952
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:59,320
here's here's what you can and
you can find Brian at Brian

1953
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,200
Waves 42 and all the socials he
can keep up with everything he

1954
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,760
does.
And listeners like here's what

1955
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,720
we do for you and here's what
you can do for us.

1956
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,160
Let's talk about ask not what
you can do for your country.

1957
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:13,640
Ask what you can do for the pod
in the pendulum.

1958
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,560
And here's what you can do.
You can number one, if you're

1959
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,680
listening on Apple or Spotify,
make sure that you leave us a

1960
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:24,240
rating and review on Apple.
Five stars and a few kind words

1961
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:28,400
go a super long way towards new
listeners finding us.

1962
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,840
We got a nice five star review
from a long time listener this

1963
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,000
past week who really loved the
Summer at George series.

1964
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,400
So thank you so much.
Like that was a ton of fun to do

1965
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:41,040
as well.
So we're glad you as the

1966
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,280
listeners appreciate that.
On Spotify, you can leave us

1967
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:48,040
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1968
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,240
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1969
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,880
You know, there's no need to
leave us like one or two stars

1970
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,720
in mean words.
Like that's just, you know, find

1971
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,360
better stuff to do with your
time, move on some of something

1972
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,400
that you would like, you know,
and we have not gotten one of

1973
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:08,240
those reviews in years, but just
saying five stars, couple

1974
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,720
sentences really helps us go up
the charts.

1975
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:15,000
Like, we're been like nudging
into the top 30 of film history

1976
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,360
here and there, which is great.
I like that.

1977
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:21,040
Tends to ebb and flow.
Problem is like the difference

1978
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:27,000
between like 10 and 30 in terms
of listeners is like 10s of

1979
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,200
thousands is my kind of humble
opinion.

1980
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,000
So we are very dining, but
that's all right.

1981
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:35,520
If you really love what we do,
you can become a patron by going

1982
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:39,680
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1983
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,760
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1984
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:46,760
Hopefully heading in a scary
season, we can find some time to

1985
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:48,920
do a few more fun things to
throw up.

1986
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:50,720
I've been a little bit LAX on
it.

1987
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:54,520
I definitely need to do more.
That's a a New Year's resolution

1988
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:58,680
is to get a bit more consistent,
but 2 bucks right now gets you

1989
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,920
like 60 hours of content. 5
bucks gets you a 70 to 80 hours

1990
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,160
worth of content.
Like that's a lot of really good

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stuff.
And they're full episodes and a

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lot of fun bonuses too.
This is when you can hear

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Brian's, all of Brian's
Nosferatu series, which is where

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you know, Brian, here's where
you come in.

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Like in session yesterday with a
client like Nosferatu came up

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because he hated that movie and
he's not, he wasn't like someone

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that went to see it because of
Robert Eggers or the witch.

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He just like I went to see a
movie about vampires and was

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really stupid and I hated it and
I just started to laugh really

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hard because I thought of you
even though you don't hate that

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movie.
I know, but like.

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I'm gonna be the guy with that
reputation, though.

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You've.
Kind of done it to.

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Yourself.
But I have be honest, I have.

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It was, it was, it was a huge
disappointment to me, I'll

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admit.
Well, that's a ringing

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endorsement.
Brian is all there for today.

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We've had this is a movie I've
seen and it's a huge just.

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My favorite go to phrases.
And there was one other one like

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another poll quote, like the
Brian Kiper poll quotes today.

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But that one, so it's in there
somewhere like in about 80

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minutes ago, I say.
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Not the biggest social media

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user, but every now and then
I'll throw very embarrassing

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stories about myself out there.
Like, I think there is one I did

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last night about, like, my wife
and I.

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That was a good one.
And yeah, it was very funny.

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I thought it was hilarious.
So, you know, if you want to see

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me make a mockery of myself on a
daily basis and that is the

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place to go, I'm good at it.
Very good.

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All right, folks, we'll be back
again next week.

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Well, with the Predator, which
is not about any of us on this

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show, for the record, it is not
biographical pips Tiny Tim who

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did not die and none of us are
the Predator.

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Thanks so much listeners.
I am in such a better mood after

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talking to you guys.
Like my mood was so far.

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So far.
I'm glad we could have.

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Where this show started.
I am in such a good mood.

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Good.
I was going to say, you came in

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pretty hot this episode.
I know.

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And you're leaving just the same
way.

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I was about to throw my computer
out the window in the car, I was

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so mad at it.
So.

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But that is about it.
Take care everybody.

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We'll be back next week with the
Predator.

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Bye.