PSYCHO (1998)

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None.
Hello everyone and welcome to

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the Pod and the Pendulum, the
show that covers all the horror

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franchises one movie and one
episode at a time.

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I'm your host Mike Snoonian and
we are here to talk about a

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movie that most people would
argue should not exist.

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Some of those folks might even
be on our show today.

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Segueing into our Co host today
up first from Bloody Disgusting

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and holy terror, Brian Kiper.
Brian, how are we?

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Well, that seemed like the right
segue, didn't it?

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It really did into me.
I'm doing good even though I had

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to rewatch this movie for the
first time in 25 years.

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Well, we all go a little mad
sometimes and sometimes it's

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from watching a movie.
Also when the Co host chair once

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again, Steven Foxworthy.
How are we?

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I'm doing well, Mike, my mother
said.

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I had to behave, so here I am on
my best behavior.

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Excellent.
And lastly, rounding out the

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Justice League from Spectre,
Cinema Club and Tainted Love in

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our his first time on the Psycho
episodes.

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Devon Taylor.
Devon, what's going on?

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Hello.
Hello.

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I'm feeling hot as fresh milk to
talk this movie today.

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I said Justice League when I
thought we had like, I legit

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thought we had the full crew for
a SEC.

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Yeah, we slim down to the.
Yeah, we slim down to the

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fantastic.
Yeah.

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It's now the Boys club so it's
more like the Stand by Me crew

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or.
Could I be the invisible Woman?

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Of course you can, Brian.
Whatever you want.

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It's 2026, Brian.
I'm obviously the thing, but we.

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Support you in that journey.
The thing would be the Fantastic

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Four though.
Well, yeah, that's what we've,

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that's what we are down to.
We don't have a Justice League.

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Anymore.
Oh, that's the point.

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That's the point.
Of us.

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There's four of us now, yeah.
OK, I.

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Argued the seven with only four.
And at the one minute and 57

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mark, I have officially lost the
plot.

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Excellent.
All right.

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Don't worry, it's very familiar.
It'll come back.

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To you in no time.
Well Devon, like this is your

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first time on the Psycho
episodes and we know that you've

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covered the original 4 films
over on Spectre Cinema Club.

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So, you know, for your extended
take on the whole series, we're

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going to direct our listeners
there because those episodes are

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fantastic.
But can you talk about like your

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relationship to like the Psycho
movies as a whole and then why

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you wanted to jump on this God
forsaken film as an episode?

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Yeah, well, so yeah, we did this
for our Pride series of this

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past year, you know, and so
since it was still kind of

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fresh, wanted to have let y'all
have your fun.

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I wanted, I remember that month,
I wanted to do this for a movie

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commentary on our Patreon and
Garrett vehemently vetoed over

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and over again, which we then
did American Psycho 2, which is

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just as bad, so debatably worse.
Actually, that's kind of an

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error.
It's it's bad, but it's kind of

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entertaining.
But as far as the Psycho series

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goes, Psycho is a movie that I
do not love.

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It is definitely not in my top
five.

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Hitchcock it's not not one of my
favorite horror movies, but I do

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understand its place in film
history.

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I respect it very much for for
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I've just never been all that
into it to be honest.

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If anything, I prefer Psycho 2.
If you were going to ask me to

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watch Psycho or Psycho 2 right
now, I would throw Psycho 2 on,

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but you guys already had plenty
of that in that conversation.

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So but yeah, so I maybe now it's
precious on this movie as some

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of the other people here on the
panel.

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So I guess I didn't go in
already ready to hate this.

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I was going in curious because
I'd never seen it, but I've been

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putting it off for a very long
time.

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It's been floating around and
this was the time to to finally

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get on it since I didn't do it
in my own coverage.

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So I'm intrigued.
This could be a fascinating

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conversation.
Yeah, I think I was worried you

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were on Psycho a year ago
because I remember listening to

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your episode on that and
agreeing with a lot of your

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takes.
And I think like re watching

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Psycho a bunch in the past year,
along with like re watching a

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lot of other Hitchcock.
It's I'm like, oh, I was wrong

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about this one.
I've actually come like around

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in terms of how I feel about it.
But yeah, I can see that like

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and and it's interesting you say
that too, because I think that's

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when we get into like why does
this movie exist?

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I think exists for that person,
the person who's like Psycho, I

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can kind of like take it or
leave it.

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Like it's good.
I understand it, but it's not a

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go to.
I think that's why I can see

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steam coming out of Brian's ears
right now.

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But why this movie might might
exist?

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Steven, how about yourself?
Like, was this the movie you

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were thinking of when you made
your statement on Disenfranchise

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about the Psycho sequels?
Maybe I I'm, I don't know, I'm

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again, this movie has the
reputation of this movie has

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long preceded it for me.
So I may have this may have been

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what I was thinking of when I
made my again, very ignorant

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statement regarding the psycho
sequels over on disenfranchised

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lo these many years ago.
It just feels very perfunctory

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to me.
Like the question that everyone

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seems to be asking is the
question that I'm asking, which

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is to say why?
Why this?

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Why then just the notion of I, I
find it very fascinating as a

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like a, as an exercise, a
cinematic exercise.

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Let's try to, you know, remake
one of the most well known and

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well regarded films of the last
40.

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And but it seems this feels like
something that someone would do

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in film school.
It doesn't feel like something

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would do as a follow up to a
best picture nominated film with

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a studio budget and a tentpole
release.

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That just feels antithetical to
what this thing is.

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I think if it were more the
first like just an interesting

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experiment that was not like not
intended for wide consumption, I

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would find it much more
interesting.

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But as as again, like a major
Hollywood blockbuster, it this

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this is this is not work.
So I I'm I'm of two minds, but

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I'm I tend to fall learn more
toward the but why though of it

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all so.
Yeah, the only film I can think

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of in terms of like taking all
of your Oscar cache and then

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kind of like rolling snake eyes
on your next roll of the dice is

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like Aronofsky with Mother.
And there might have even been

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another movie in between there.
But I think of like, that's a

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movie that people like after
doing Black Swan, which was like

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his commercial peak, and it's a
critical darling and Natalie.

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Portman.
Wins Noah after that didn't.

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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking
of the Ark, Yeah.

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So I'm not even like accurate in
that take, but.

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I mean, the big one is Michael
Cimino, the deer following the

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Deer Hunter with heavens.
Heavens like that.

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Sure, that's kind of the big
like, well known, like blowing

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her next at bat.
Coppola following Apocalypse Now

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with one from the heart.
Yeah, that as well.

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Yeah.
Like finishing out the greatest

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decade that arguably any
filmmaker has ever had with a

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musical composed by Tom Waits
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Like what a what a what a
choice.

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What about like Hopper with like
the last picture, the last, the

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last picture?
The last movie.

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Oh, yeah, that's a good.
That's a good one too.

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Yeah, I like that.
So, you know, and I think the

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key component in all of those
movies is drugs, lots and lots

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of drugs being consumed.
Right.

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And nobody's saying no, like
nobody having the stones to say

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no.
So.

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Well, I have too many drugs.
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I hear it weakens your
inhibitions.

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Yeah, Brian, do you want to, do
you want to add a little balance

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to the conversation right now?
Like what is your thought on the

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Psycho remake?
So let's go back to 1998.

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I'm in college.
Psycho was probably my favorite

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movie at that time.
It's I just sort of revered

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Hitchcock, I think because of,
you know, I was sort of

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burgeoning as a cinephile and
all that.

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And so the first time I saw this
movie, to quote Rodger Ebert

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about a different film, I hated,
hated, hated, hated this movie.

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Don't sugar coat it for us,
Brian, please.

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Your raw, unfiltered feelings.
Sure.

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I saw it a second time on video.
My dad bought it at a pawn shop.

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I remember that he bought the
the the DVD at a pawn shop and I

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watched it with the commentary
and it pissed me off beyond like

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any reasonable measure.
I, I don't know what, I don't

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even remember what was said in
it particularly, but something,

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just just the culmination of
what they were saying about

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their version compared to
Hitchcock's version made me very

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angry and it sort of ruined my
day.

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So I hated it even more.
So I watched it again a couple

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nights ago and I think the look
on my face was, I mean.

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For me, Brian, like set the
scene before you put it.

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It's.
Like candles, Let's create a

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little mood.
A little.

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Ambiance open up your official
pot and pendulum $8 orgy here.

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Sure, free gift Blu-ray from
Scream Factory.

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Right.
So I, I purchased the $8 Blu-ray

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of the Psycho remake, you know,
a few weeks ago, ready to give

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it a fresh chance, right?
I know that there are certain

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people I respect who actually
say, hey, there's some things in

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this that are interesting.
This is a good movie, actually.

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Those people are crazy.
I'm sorry, they're friends, but

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they're crazy.
And it was I, I have horrible

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insomnia.
So I woke up like 1:30 in the

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morning.
I started watching this like

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2:00 AM.
The look on my face, I could

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feel that the.
I can't, I can't.

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I know this is an audio format
so let me see if I can describe

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this.
It was just like, you know, I

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could feel the grimmest form on
my face and just never leave for

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the.
Listener at home, Brian is

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making a face that is equal
parts disgust but also severe

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disappointment.
And bewilderment.

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There's a little of.
That in there too.

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Bewildering feature.
I, I don't get it at all.

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I mean, for me, one thing too is
everything about this movie to

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me is a complete eyesore.
It is ugly as fuck.

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It is overexposed, it's way too
bright.

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The costume design, the color,
everything is garish and ugly

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and stupid and I fucking hate
this movie so much.

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It's just like every choice that
is made is the wrong one.

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Damn it bro just have an opinion
stop being so.

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Cool.
The thing is, here's the thing

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with me.
Here's the thing with me.

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Most movies, I'm like, you know,
people have extreme reactions to

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movies this way or that way.
And I'm just like, it's good,

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you know, it's fine.
It's in the middle somewhere.

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And this one, though, this is
one of the few movies that

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really pisses me off.
Yeah.

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I just hate so so much.
Which would you rather rewatch,

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Brian this or Nosferatu 2024?
Nosferatu, 2024, without a

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doubt.
Totally.

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I mean, that makes sense.
I think the I think the

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catharsis that you need for that
$8 Blu-ray.

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But one of my favorite YouTube
channels is Andy the Maniacal

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Cinephile.
And he does a series called

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Boots to Reboots where he does
these remake comparisons.

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And at the end of the video, if
he did not, if the remake or

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reboot did not warrant its
existence, he had a specific

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boot that he would put on to
smash and stomp on it and

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destroy it.
So you can go watch that video

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if you want to see him actually
destroy a physical Blu-ray for

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your catharsis.
I think I may need to take you

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up on that because boy, this one
just I, I don't get mad about a

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lot of movies, even really,
really bad ones like I, I, I've,

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this is not even the worst movie
I've watched in the past month.

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OK, I did finish, I did finish
my My Frankenstein Parodies

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article.
So I had to watch a movie called

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Rock'n'roll Frankenstein from
1999, which is not only awful,

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it was like homophobic.
It is one of the worst things

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I've ever seen in my life.
I gave it 1/2 star because I

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couldn't give it 0 on letterbox.
I mean it can.

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You can't give it 0.
It is just, I mean, so that

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there are worse things, you
know, there are worse movies

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than this, but this one just
really makes me angry and I

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can't, I can't really explain
why.

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I mean, even like, like I, I'm
on record as not liking the

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Texas Chainsaw remake, right?
That movie doesn't make me mad

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though.
Sure.

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You know, that one just kind of
like, you know, not for me.

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This one is like, this isn't for
anybody.

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This movie, the people who made
this movie should be so

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disappointed in themselves.
I mean, that's how I feel.

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I just imagined everyone who
like everyone who greenlit this

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and decided this was going to be
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Like, I mean, you want to talk
about like levels of pretension

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in cinema.
Yes, I usually I usually give

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people a break.
I usually hate when people will

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say like oh this director's
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now this is like.
I mean just imagine everyone

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like circle jerking each other
being like this is the best idea

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ever.
Like exactly like is did.

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You watch, Did anyone watch the
making of documentaries?

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I've got about halfway through
and I was like, these people are

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delusional.
There's one person in that, that

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whole documentary that actually
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When he says I think people are
going to be watching 2 movies at

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the same time when they watch
this, they're going to be

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watching this, they're going to
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the original.
And he's right.

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That's exactly the way he is.
And The thing is just this is

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like, like Steven said, I'm just
basically reading what I wrote

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here.
You know, it's like they're

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doing a film school experiment.
This.

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This is, like you said, Devon.
Pretentious doesn't even begin

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to describe what is happening
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I'm so glad you're on this
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Brian, great.
You know.

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All right, Ryan's going to go.
Ryan's going to go and soak his

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head for a little bit cool down.
Give me OK, I'm flames.

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So it's it's the flames meme.
It's the flames from what about

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you?
What it is?

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So this was a like this was this
week was the first time I've

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ever watched.
I've now watched it twice

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because I watched it with the
commentary that Brian you

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mentioned there.
I still don't quite know how you

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feel about the movie, but, you
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that.
But yeah, so we'll talk about

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that.
Commentary is like scorched

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earth infuriating where like, I
don't want to speak ill of the

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dead, but I'm going to today and
I will apologize in advance.

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This came out at a time where I
was definitely like starting to

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become a film geek like that mid
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And it meant like going to the
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Like we would get out of work on
a Friday night, drive like 10

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minutes down the road to the
local theater and see like

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whatever was playing before we
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But also like starting to like
vericifully read the trade

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magazines like Reading Empire,
Reading Entertainment Weekly,

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Reading Premiere, anything we
could get our hands on or I

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could get my hands on.
Like what's coming out, what's

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going to be new and like
starting because this is like

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pre Internet for me.
I don't think we even had dial

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up at this point.
I think it was like 99 before we

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had like dial up for our
apartment.

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So just like devouring magazines
at like Borders bookstores over

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like a coffee and a giant cookie
cup.

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I miss Borders so much.
Anyway, yeah, I love that

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question.
I remember like reading about

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this because I really loved
Goodwill Hunting and we'll talk

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a little bit about that, I think
in our background, but being

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excited for whatever was coming
next and then finding out it was

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a Psycho remake.
Psycho was not my favorite movie

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and it was the only Hitchcock I
had seen to that point.

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But even I was like, why like,
why are they doing this?

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And then reading we're also
we're going to do like a shot

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for shot remake of it.
And then really scratching my

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head and being like, why are
they I'm out?

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Like I don't need to see
everything that's out there.

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Like sometimes it's enough to
know like we will drive like at

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that point, we drove like an
hour and a half to go see

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Rushmore when it premiered at
the theater that was near BU or

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Chasing Amy when it played in
Harvard Square at the old AMC.

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Like I'll drive an hour and a
half for that.

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I don't need to drive 10 minutes
for like, like what you and

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Steven said, Bryan, like a film
school exercise.

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And I watched it this week and I
have to say, like, it just kind

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of hung there.
Maybe it's because I'm older and

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like it takes a lot more for me
to get worked up over a movie,

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but it just kind of sat there
and the, the overwhelming emote,

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I kind of sat with my feelings
and I'm like, what am I thinking

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of this?
And like, pity, it was like the

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overwhelming emotion that I came
up with watching this movie

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because like, there's just
certain moments when you're

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looking at Vince Vaughn or Anne
Haish and Julianne Moore on

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screen and it, it looks like
the, I mean, have you guys ever

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watched Arrested Development?
A little bit, OK.

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So one of the, like, jokes they
go back to over and over again

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is like Joe Bluth or, you know,
Jeffrey Tambor going like, oh, I

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made a horror.
I made a terrible mistake.

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Like that's something they go to
over and over that you could see

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it on screen in their faces.
Like they realize what a

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terrible mistake they've made
signing up for.

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This I don't even know if I can
have extend that pity to them.

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These people know what they're
doing.

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I wouldn't say anyone in this
cast was like Hung angry and

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like starving and like needed
this paycheck.

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Maybe Vince Vaughn, I suppose
him being like kind of the the

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smallest at the time.
But like, I don't have any pity

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for these people.
They know what they're doing in

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this.
Movie I I choose empathy

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Devaughn it's 2026 and where?
I can.

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See, no, like for real, though,
like the you said, like pity was

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the first word that came to your
mind when I got done like my

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first word was like apathetic.
I was just like, I was just

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like, I was like, I don't even
like, I just.

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I don't even know if I watched
the movie.

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Like I felt like the movie
watched me and I didn't like

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that from this film.
When you.

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Gaze long into the best of on.
Yeah, it just hangs there.

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I sense from all of you that
you're just sort of apathetic

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about this film.
And my goal through the course

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of this podcast today is to make
you foster hate.

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It's to get you to hate it as
much as I do.

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That's that's.
The thing Here's the thing,

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Brian, I'm enough of a
contrarian.

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You might get me to love this
damn thing.

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Brian.
Game on, buddy, game on.

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Hypothetical.
Question if you.

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Had to watch this movie every
day for a year but if you did

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so, ICE would be disbanded and
everybody would be prosecuted.

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Would you do it?
I have to think.

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About this I don't I I don't no,
no, I don't have to think about

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it.
Of course I would Fuck it.

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I mean, that's yeah, fuck ice.
I mean, if the only ice I want.

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But here's the thing here's the
thing I would demand not just

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prosecution of ice, but you
know, the entire administration.

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So, OK, you know, if I'm going
to watch this every day for a

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year 300 and twice a.
Day he's.

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Getting shined.
We got to negotiate.

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We got to negotiate.
Yeah, we'll do.

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We'll do that.
Gonna watch it twice every day

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and once with the commentary.
Well, it'll keep the anger high

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for.
There you go, you.

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Know so there we go.
There you go.

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It's like, yeah.
So it's like, man, they deserve

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it even more now.
Yeah, so this is the section

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coming up that we usually call
like the background section.

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Today I think we're just gonna
call it like, what the fuck were

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they thinking?
OK, I think that's maybe the

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apartment title for it today.
So why did they decide to remake

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Psycho and what was the initial
response before it even came

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out?
So let me just check my notes

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here.
It looks like it was money.

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Money and cocaine.
It might be money and cocaine.

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Well, Gus Vincent had actually
been pitching the idea to

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Universal to remake Psycho as a
near Xerox copy for nearly a

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decade before finally getting
the green light in 1989.

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He releases a little indie movie
called Drug Star Cowboy, and

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it's not a huge hit, but it
makes money.

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It's also like a really good
movie like I watch.

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That darling, it's a good one,
yeah.

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Matt Dillon is outstanding in
that movie and it's like really

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well grounded.
It's Kelly Lynch is great.

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James Lagrosse.
I was who has.

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Been watching that the other
night, actually I didn't.

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I think you would dig.
It it's all I'd be.

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Interested in, I think it'd be,
it's like, I think Steven, you

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said like this movie marks a
delineation in Van Sant's career

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in like what he's going to do.
I think that's really good

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because even like Goodwill
Hunting, which is a massive hit,

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is a little movie.
Like, it's a $10 million movie

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that takes place, you know, with
like, very well grounded

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characters.
Exactly.

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So after Drugstore Cowboy comes
out, he takes meetings with

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Universal and they basically
say, like, look, here's our back

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catalog of like a number of
movies we own the rights to that

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we're thinking of remaking or
redoing.

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You can do whatever you want
with them.

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And they asked him like what he
was interested in.

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And Van Sant says like, well, I
don't want to remake a terrible

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movie.
Like, what's the point of that?

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I in, which is funny because
Hitchcock's idea was like,

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they're all these terrible
little horror movies.

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What if a really good director
makes one of these instead?

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So Vince Sant's approaching it
from the exact opposite point of

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view of Hitchcock, saying I
don't want to make it remake a

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terrible movie.
Let's not only remake a good

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movie, but let's remake a
classic movie that's pretty much

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flawless.
And he's like, then let's do it

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in a way that's like shot for
shot, like line it up as close

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as possible to the original.
He like Brian and Steven you

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both said he's like it would be
an art film experiment and

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Universal like says Hey Gus,
that is a a fucking horrible

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idea.
Hit the bricks go make to die

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for go make even Cowgirls get
the Blues and oh to die for is

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great.
Don't get.

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To die for is amazing.
Yeah, yeah, I have a comment.

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On my own private IH.
Putting her foot in her mouth

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about what's that?
My own private Idaho is great.

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My own private, go make my own
private Idaho, go do those

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things, come back to us, you
know, later on they think he's

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crazy.
And every couple years he would

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take another meeting with
Universal and he would pitch the

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same idea.
And they're looking at him like.

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What the fuck?
Is wrong with you.

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You.
Know so OK even Cowgirls get the

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Blues, but.
Van Zandt does not get the

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hands.
Yeah, well, here's the thing.

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Even even, you know, watching
the documentary thing, he

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doesn't seem to understand what
a remake is.

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I mean, he's like, it's like,
OK, a remake.

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When I think of a remake, I
think of like, you know, The

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Thing or The Fly where you just
really put your own spin on it.

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You don't just do the other one.
And he's like, well, that's not

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a remake, that's something else
entirely.

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A remake would be if you make it
exactly the same way as the

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original.
I'm like.

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Well, you know, I'd say at for
at the time he was kind of ahead

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because, because I would say
because now we do have like the,

446
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,960
the different branches, you
know, there's remakes, there's

447
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,960
reboots, there's reimagines.
Yeah.

448
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,280
We do.
Have lots of different branches.

449
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,280
I mean, he's kind of right in a
way.

450
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,240
Yeah.
I'm curious because I didn't I

451
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,960
didn't watch any of the making
of but does it have the tone of

452
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,400
that documentary?
What's it called all night?

453
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,520
The one about the making of
Boondock Saints?

454
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,520
What's the name of that
documentary?

455
00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,880
I haven't seen that one.
I've seen that.

456
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,920
One, but that was a hit job,
though.

457
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,120
That was a hit job on that
director by the Weinstein's.

458
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,920
Do you know what I mean?
Like, so I know what you're

459
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,480
talking about, yeah.
So my thing is where I'm getting

460
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,600
at with that comparison is like
if Van Sant was doing this

461
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,640
because he was aware that it was
a bad idea and that like to show

462
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,520
like to like highlight like like
this is the reason that this is

463
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160
not possible.
Like you know that art has more

464
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,480
soul to do it.
If that was the reason he wanted

465
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,080
to do it, then like, cool, dunk
on yourself and have fun with

466
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,560
it.
But that's the thing though.

467
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,840
All of that, all of what you're
saying is true to Vaughn except

468
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,320
for one key thing.
He thinks this is a great idea.

469
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,560
Exactly.
So that's.

470
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,880
Why this is a great?
Idea.

471
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,040
He thinks this is a genius idea.
See, and that's where it's

472
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,800
baffling because like, I could
almost get down with this like

473
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,040
weird idea of this experiment.
If it's to highlight like, yeah,

474
00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:00,040
OK, this is how important it is
to like have inspiration and

475
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,840
thoughtfulness behind direction.
To this day, like there's been

476
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,760
no mea culpa for him going like,
you know, maybe in retrospect,

477
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,720
that wasn't the brightest thing
to do.

478
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,200
He still thinks like this is
like a misunderstood.

479
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080
And why Psycho of all movies?
That's my thing too.

480
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Like why is he stuck to the idea
of it being psycho?

481
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,560
The 1st 5 minutes of the
documentary Devon are just

482
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,480
people asking that exact same
question.

483
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Well, one of the things that I
recall from the commentary that

484
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,520
I that kind of goes with what
you're saying, Devon, is that he

485
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,840
says somewhere in there, and I'm
paraphrasing because I did not

486
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,480
watch it recently.
This was, like I said, like 25

487
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720
years ago.
You've held on to this anger for

488
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,200
like 20.
Five years, Brian.

489
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Well, this is one of the things
that I was kind of like, OK, he

490
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,280
did say something along the
lines of I wanted to see if

491
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,760
doing a remake this way would
result in the same film.

492
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,200
And it doesn't.
He does say that, as I recall.

493
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,240
And so and so there is that, you
know, I'll give him that.

494
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,280
I'm actually not that mad at Gus
Van Zandt about this movie.

495
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,920
This is his other motivation.
It's partly that it's partly to

496
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600
see like what makes a movie,
like can you just Xerox

497
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000
something and call it the same
thing.

498
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,600
His other motivation, which I, I
can kind of understand, he said.

499
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Like, look, we are when this
came out like we are about as

500
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,640
far away from like Psycho coming
out as when Psycho came out like

501
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,080
silent films.
And he's like when when

502
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040
audiences in like the 50s and
60s watch silent films, it was

503
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,720
like look at these funny little
people like moving too quickly

504
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,520
on screen, not realizing like
that wasn't the way that the

505
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,480
film was actually photographed.
It's because camera technology

506
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,760
had changed and like they what
was shot at half the speed and

507
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,160
like the he's like look speed up
on like modern day or then

508
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,240
modern.
Day cameras, yeah.

509
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,160
He's like, so I don't, he's
like, I wonder if like people

510
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,000
that are going to the movies
like now, like in 1998 have ever

511
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,880
even watched Psycho.
Like sure, everybody knows

512
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Psycho.
Everybody knows Norman is the

513
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,680
mother.
Everybody knows like the shower

514
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,040
scene, but do people like, have
they actually sat down and

515
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,120
watched the movie?
So like, what if we took

516
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,680
something from that classic era
and tried to not modernize it,

517
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,400
but redo it with like the same
techniques that were used in

518
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,040
1960, the same dialogue, the
same blocking, same everything.

519
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,240
And and he actually wanted to do
it in black and white.

520
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,840
And that was like 1 area where
the studio gave him like one of

521
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,160
the few times they actually said
no was like, you're not allowed

522
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,080
to do this in black and white.
Like it has to be a color movie.

523
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,200
So he does.
He's like, I wonder like if that

524
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,520
will like have audiences go and
seek out the original, which to

525
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,600
be fair, mission accomplished.
A lot of folks say like Brian,

526
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080
you mentioned the Texas Chainsaw
remake.

527
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,680
I'm sure there are a lot of
people that like saw that movie

528
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,760
and then sought out the original
after.

529
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,040
Yeah.
Which is great.

530
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,960
I mean, I'm not.
That's all good motivation.

531
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Like I said, Texas Chainsaw,
it's not my thing, but I

532
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
understand at least why people
like it.

533
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,840
Well, and Texas Chainsaw did a
thing because it at least like

534
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,880
OK, we're going to bring in the
same cinematographer, but let

535
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,720
him do something completely
different and different updates.

536
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,080
So like when you're changing
that, I think just this, the

537
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,520
whole experiment would be more
interesting if there was still

538
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:51,120
slightly more changes like
because I mean, cuz obviously

539
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,440
musicals and plays, they take
the same script and just put a

540
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,080
different cast does it?
But that'll change either the

541
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,680
times or something rather.
And you still get it

542
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,280
differently.
Yeah versus here it's just like

543
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600
all he's kind of doing again.
I don't know if he meant to be

544
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,240
this sacrificial lamb of sorts
to be like, hey, look, this is

545
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,960
me showing that because I am not
Hitchcock, I cannot take this

546
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
exact script and the exact shots
and not do it.

547
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,160
It is this like weird dunking on
himself?

548
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,280
And if that was the case, I'm
like, OK, like, I would probably

549
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
maybe respect this a little bit
more.

550
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,840
This is like, this is like if
you took the 80s, nineties,

551
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,440
49ers led by Joe Montana,
coached by Bill Walsh,

552
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,880
innovative, the West Coast
offense.

553
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,160
These are all things that change
the sport of football.

554
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,720
And so it's like taking that now
and being like, OK, we're gonna

555
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,280
take his playbook and run
everything exactly the same,

556
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720
just with current players now.
In today's context, Yeah.

557
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,040
And one.
One of those players.

558
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Have that context right, You
know, we know how one of those.

559
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,120
Players is going to be like, you
know, God, it's going to be I'm

560
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
trying to think of like a really
shitty quarterback.

561
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Off the top from Dart.
Yeah.

562
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,120
He's going to come in and he's
going to run.

563
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Bill Walsh's West Coast office.
Thank you.

564
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,920
Is that going to work?
We know.

565
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Probably not, right?
Well Fast forward in 1997, Van

566
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Sant Stock is like never higher
like he is coming off like the

567
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,480
critical and Oscar winning
success and also the commercial

568
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,560
success of Goodwill Hunting
which he gets a best picture

569
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960
nomination.
Robin Williams wins for best

570
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,040
supporting actor, Damon and
Affleck win for best screenplay.

571
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,520
It is a commercial juggernaut,
like it makes over $200 million

572
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,000
at the box offices.
And this is not when like

573
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,160
Affleck and Damon are huge stars
like this is pre Armageddon,

574
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,800
preborn identity.
I think this.

575
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Is the reason they're stars.
Yeah, this is it.

576
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,000
Like this was like the first
time I ever watched the Oscars

577
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,640
at an Oscar party and like
actively rooted for a movie,

578
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,960
like actively like sat there,
like lighting a candle and

579
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,000
praying to any God I believe in,
like let these boys win.

580
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Just like local boys make good.
You know, it was it's awesome.

581
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,760
I mean, it's such a good I love
this movie.

582
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,040
Like I'm not going to say like
it's the reason I'm a therapist

583
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,240
because that would be a lie.
But like I think it is like one

584
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,480
of the best examples of the
using like Carl Rogers, like

585
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,680
humanistic theory on screen with
like Williams's with Williams's

586
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,360
therapist.
I just I love this movie.

587
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,480
I just watch it again last week.
And when they're like in Harvard

588
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,520
Square, I got very teary eyed
because like Harvard Square does

589
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,840
not look like that anymore.
And I've said elsewhere, like, I

590
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,800
realize I'd gotten old.
Like the first time I walked

591
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,840
into Harvard Square's pit, like
where the public transportation,

592
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,080
where you come out of it,
there's this giant pit in the

593
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,840
middle of the square right near
the oboe and pain where they

594
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,080
have coffee.
And I didn't recognize like any

595
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320
of the punk rockers that were
just hanging out there.

596
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,840
So I used to go there like every
week and to be someone I knew

597
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,960
and would like shoot shit with.
And when I went there and that

598
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,639
no longer was going on, I'm
like, I've officially got

599
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,760
involved.
Anyway, This is not about not

600
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,360
your fault, Mike.
Thank you.

601
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,639
Don't, don't, don't.
I'll I'll get, I'll get weepy.

602
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,400
Sorry.
So his clout is like never gonna

603
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,880
get any higher.
So between like getting the film

604
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,960
nominated and the between like
the film getting nominated and

605
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,360
the ceremony, Universal is like,
let's lock him up now because

606
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,440
like, as soon as the Oscars are
over and he in this film wins

607
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,639
something we want to announce
like this is what his next

608
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,560
picture is.
So he goes into Universal and

609
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,600
they ask, like, Gus, what do you
got for us?

610
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,000
And he's like, what if, hear me
out, this is a crazy idea.

611
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,680
What if instead of remaking one
of these bad movies, I remake

612
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,240
Psycho and they're like, go on,
we're intrigued.

613
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480
Tell us a little more.
He's like, and I want to do it

614
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,040
shot for shot.
Like, completely same script,

615
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,400
same blocking, same everything.
And they're like, gosh, you are

616
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,520
a genius.
How has no one ever said yes to

617
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,320
this idea?
We're so glad you took this to

618
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,240
us first.
Here's $20 million.

619
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Go ahead and light it on fire
they all.

620
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,440
You have a circle jerk about how
brilliant everybody is.

621
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000
And yeah, that is.
It's not about the money, Mike,

622
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,720
it's about sending a message.
Look, far be it for me to, like,

623
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:40,400
get angry at, angry at like
anybody for taking like $20

624
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,120
million in 1998 money from a
giant corporation at a time

625
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,560
when, like, selling out was an
active thing.

626
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,680
Like, people would get mad at
you for selling out.

627
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,720
Far be it for me to get mad at
anybody for stealing $20 million

628
00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:01,840
from a studio to do this.
OK, So that is that is why this

629
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,480
movie is getting remade.
Steven, do you want to talk a

630
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,120
little bit about Van Sant as a
director and like why he was the

631
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,720
person to do this?
So it, it was very interesting

632
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:19,040
looking into Van Zandt for this
because he is kind of in he,

633
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,280
he's kind of at the forefront of
two kind of emerging trends in

634
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Hollywood.
He's really kind of at the

635
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,040
forefront of the independent
film wave of the late 80s, early

636
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,560
90s.
And he's also really kind of one

637
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,920
of the prominent voices in the
nuclear cinema movement, which

638
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:42,080
is coming out is coined around
the 90s or 91, I think, or 92 by

639
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,800
film critic B Ruby Rich in an
article that they wrote.

640
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,880
But his first film is called
Mala Noche, based on a

641
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,600
autobiographical novel from a a
kind of a Portland fixture by

642
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,360
the name of Walt Curtis that's
on the Criterion Collection.

643
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,720
He films it in 16mm black and
white.

644
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,120
So just this very tiny little
indie film with a bunch of

645
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,000
actors who didn't really like
come up with Van Sant, but gets

646
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,440
him enough notice that he gets a
meeting with Universal.

647
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,440
And instead of pitching the
Psycho remake, he pitches

648
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,480
basically Drugstore cowboy and
My own private Idaho.

649
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,760
His next two films, both of
which they they deemed too

650
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,720
risky.
So he he gets those

651
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,600
independently financed makes
drugstore Cowboy, which we've

652
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,280
already kind of discussed a
little bit.

653
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Big commercial hit with or
critical hit.

654
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,880
Also wins 4 independent spirit
awards, including best

655
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,560
screenplay for Van Sant.
And then he parlays that into My

656
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,600
own Private Idaho, which is just
like probably one of his best

657
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,280
regarded early films.
I think Keanu Reeves River

658
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Phoenix Gay Hustler St.
Hustler movie based on like the

659
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Henry ad, which is like that run
of like 5 Shakespeare plays.

660
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,600
I think it's he does Henry the
4th, 1:00 and 2:00 and Henry the

661
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,680
fifth I think are the the ones
he's ostensibly covering.

662
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,520
But just a a fascinating,
fascinating film and becomes

663
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,560
like a big that that's kind of
the film.

664
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,440
I think that breaks into along
with stuff like Paris's Burning

665
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,120
and a lot of other films that
are coming out in 9192, kind of

666
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,760
solidifies the New Queer Cinema
movement as a movement.

667
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,640
And again, Van Sant, who up to
this point has really, he's

668
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,160
depicted homosexuality and he
himself being an openly queer

669
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,720
filmmaker, has depicted
homosexuality fairly honestly

670
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,000
and without like any kind of
judgement.

671
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,800
This is not something that
should be shameful.

672
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,280
This is not something that
should be, you know, invoke

673
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,240
suffering in the the gay, gay
relationships or a thing that

674
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,960
happens just like straight
relationships.

675
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,560
And that kind of sets him apart
from a lot of other film makers

676
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,000
of the day because most people
are kind of caught in these old

677
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Hollywood standards of sexuality
and how to portray it on screen.

678
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,840
And Vince Anderson, he's not
doing any of that shit, which I

679
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,200
think really kind of puts him
kind of out in front.

680
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,840
He chases that with even
Cowgirls.

681
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,800
Get the Blues, based on the Tom
Robbins novel, which is his

682
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
first kind of commercial and
critical failure.

683
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,400
That's a weird movie.
Yeah, I've not seen it.

684
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,760
I don't know it.
Thurman with giant thumbs as a

685
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,440
woman.
With abnormally large thumbs,

686
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,000
yeah.
Yeah.

687
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680
Decides to hitchhike.
You think Tarantino was like,

688
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,920
what if you made the big toes
instead?

689
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,200
Right.
Right, That was Tarantino's.

690
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,520
Tarantino's final film has been
announced, is going to be is

691
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,240
going to be a remake of Even
Cowgirls Get the Blues, except

692
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:39,840
instead of big thumb, that's big
toes.

693
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,240
Yeah, just came across The Wire.
Breaking news.

694
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,920
This just in and then of course
he follows that up with what I

695
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,200
think might be his best film to
die for.

696
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,880
I fucking love to die for so
much.

697
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,080
It helps that I love Nicole
Kidman, but also I also really

698
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,840
love dark satire and that is one
of the darkest satires.

699
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,960
That and my death to smoochy are
like in terms of dark satire,

700
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,520
like up at the top for me.
I love to die for have the

701
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,520
criterion 4K back on my.
Shelf back there God Bless

702
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,480
America from Bobcat Goldwaith
Yeah, it's a great.

703
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,040
Movie.
Check it out.

704
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Yeah.
OK, sorry to interrupt.

705
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,840
But no, I mean this is Fan Sands
third movie in a row working

706
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,360
with one of the Phoenix
siblings, River on my own,

707
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Private Idaho, rain on Even
Cowgirls, Get the Blues and now

708
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,800
Joaquin and to die for which I
found really funny and a script

709
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,640
by Buck Henry and I fucking love
Buck Henry.

710
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,040
So like to die for great movie
and I think is is sort of it's

711
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,840
his last independent feature or
I guess Goodwill Hunting is

712
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,880
technically an indie too.
Yeah, yeah, but it's like him

713
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,240
kind of starting to get a little
more cuz as I recall to die for

714
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,080
actually had some buzz around it
and a fairly decent.

715
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Relief it has some buzz around
it cuz to die for is based on,

716
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,080
it's like a, it's a, it's based
on a true crime case that was in

717
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,960
the headlines like only a couple
years before.

718
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,520
Pamela Smart, who was a school
teacher in New Hampshire, like

719
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,320
seduces one of her students and
pays him to like try to kill her

720
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,160
husband.
And that was like a, like, she

721
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,040
was a very attractive woman.
So like it was in all of the

722
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,560
papers.
It was at a time when teachers,

723
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,960
like, seducing students, like,
wasn't really a thing that we

724
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,160
heard about back then, right?
She was pretty media savvy as

725
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,920
well.
And it's funny, like, one of the

726
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,280
things that made me roll up my
eyes on the director's

727
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,320
commentary is, like, Anne Hash.
She, like, name checks to die

728
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,440
for as a movie.
And it's like, yeah, like who?

729
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,080
That would never happen in real
life.

730
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
And it's like, oh, my God, you,
you idiot.

731
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,280
Because like, she's doing the
commentary like only a few years

732
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,760
after the case just made me to
be.

733
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Fair to Anne Hash, she had her
own problems in the early 90s

734
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,320
Let's.
Be, let's say early since it's

735
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,320
when that came out.
But, you know, like the problems

736
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,560
are her more in the yeah, I, I I
hear what you're saying.

737
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,480
You're right.
To be fair, that is that is

738
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,640
true.
But it did make me roll my eyes.

739
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Like, if you're like, talking on
and on about how much you love

740
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,280
that movie and have no idea of
the origins of it, come on, be

741
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,360
better.
You know, sure.

742
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,080
And it's after filming this
movie, which also stars a young

743
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,040
Casey Affleck, that Casey brings
Gus a a script written by his

744
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Big Brother Benny and and his
big brother's buddy Matt and

745
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,800
says, hey, you should check this
out.

746
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,560
My brother wrote it.
What do you think?

747
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480
To which Gus said, hot damn,
it's my next script.

748
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,280
And so he makes goodwill
hunting.

749
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,560
Which?
Wins is nominated for 9 Oscars,

750
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,040
wins 2 for Robin Williams and
Original screenplay for Damon

751
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,200
Affleck.
Van Sant nominated for Best

752
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Director loses to a little a
little guy I don't know is a

753
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,040
little known director named
Jimmy Cameron for a little movie

754
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480
called Titanic.
So I don't know if anyone's

755
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,000
ever.
Heard of that.

756
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,280
I don't know what that is.
Yeah.

757
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,840
It's, it's not a, it's not a
very well known film.

758
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,400
It's kind of a slipper, a little
indie.

759
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,360
You know, it's late 90s Indies
kind of starting to run the

760
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,960
table on the Oscars.
So yeah.

761
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,920
A little scrappy.
Pull them up by the bootstraps.

762
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,920
Exactly.
And and so that, I mean, he does

763
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,600
a lot of in between that he does
a lot of music videos for like

764
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,720
Tracy Chapman, Red Hot Chili
Peppers, Elton John D Lite,

765
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,280
Chris Isaak, Stone Temple
Pilots, KD Lang, David Bowie.

766
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,720
Like he's he's doing a lot of
music videos.

767
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,120
And also he I mean, as in part
of his film, he he's very into

768
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,240
again, marginalized communities,
including, you know, the gay

769
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,920
subculture is kind of a theme
throughout his particularly his

770
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,000
early work.
And I don't know, I feel like

771
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,200
this movie is kind of where he
starts to lose the plot on some

772
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,440
of that stuff.
We can get into that more later.

773
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,200
Again, I do think this film is a
bit of a turning point for him

774
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,880
and his career overall.
But again, we can we can talk

775
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,400
more about that.
You don't think the plight of

776
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:55,040
the wealthy MIT professor that
isn't quite as universally well

777
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,440
known as he would like to be is
worth exploring in cinema?

778
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,960
Like that's not a marginalized
community is what you're saying?

779
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,000
Maybe not as marginalized.
What you have against scar

780
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:05,800
Scarred.
OK.

781
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,960
Believe me, I've got nothing
against Stellan Skarsgard.

782
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,240
He should.
He has stuff against you.

783
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,240
I mean that he's probably got
his reasons.

784
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,720
Can we make Stellan Skarsgard
Hates you T-shirts?

785
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,520
Like, do you think we could do
that?

786
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,880
Why?
Why not?

787
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,320
All right?
Yvonne, you want to jump in here

788
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,800
it looks like.
To die for good movie.

789
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Goodwill Hunting.
Also a good movie.

790
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
I didn't watch to die for until
until like a year or so ago.

791
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Yeah.
That movie feels very Devon

792
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,600
coded to me.
I wish I liked it more.

793
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,600
I'm more of a, I'm more of a
serial mom and girlie, you know?

794
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,600
That tracks a lot.
If we're going to kind of

795
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,960
compare those two.
But you know, so I don't really

796
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,480
have as much context for like
Van Sant as a director as to

797
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,440
like, oh, does his style lend
anything to this film?

798
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Obviously, like, it doesn't.
He's not a genre director

799
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,120
really.
So I mean, I I still need I do

800
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,120
want to watch Elephant because I
know that's like.

801
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,200
I need to see that one too.
Yeah, in the.

802
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Last days I've seen both of
those, yeah.

803
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,280
I need to see both of those too
you.

804
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,680
Say last days.
Yeah, those are those are two on

805
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,000
the list.
They're very different, they're

806
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,960
much more.
They're very understated movies.

807
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,720
Kind of like almost like
dreamlike.

808
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,440
My understanding is it's kind of
like walking through a haze.

809
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,760
Well, I mean, you think of
something talking about Van

810
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,080
Zandt being ahead of the curve.
You think of something like in a

811
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,680
violent nature where you're just
following a character that's

812
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,400
kind of what Elephant is, and
then all of a sudden this

813
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,080
horrible violent thing happens.
That's sort of what's

814
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,960
interesting about it.
It's just it's not about the

815
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Columbine shooting.
It's about how it was a normal

816
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,480
day and then all of a sudden
this thing happened.

817
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,560
And that's kind of the way it is
because I mean, it's not, you

818
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,760
know, it's, it's, it's, everyone
knows it's Columbine, but it's

819
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,000
not Columbine.
And then there's also Last Days.

820
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Everyone knows it's Kurt Cobain,
but it's.

821
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,440
Not Kurt Cobain, Yeah.
So those are the kinds of things

822
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,880
he he did, you know, pretty
immediately after this.

823
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,760
Yeah.
And so, I mean, so I guess if

824
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
again, if anything, if he's
proved anything with his

825
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,520
experiment, I think like the
biggest is, is the difference in

826
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,320
direction.
And I think it also makes sense

827
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,520
for like when you're approaching
A remake, you know who's doing

828
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,360
that?
Like, you know, David Cronenberg

829
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200
makes the fly and that makes a
lot of sense as to why David

830
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Cronenberg would make the fly.
Yeah.

831
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Shout David Cronenberg at the
end of it to die for.

832
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,240
There you go.
So you don't really.

833
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,360
It's like he's like kind of the
opposite.

834
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,480
It's like, you know, at the time
when Psycho was made, this is

835
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,280
Hitchcock, you know, building
his momentum up through

836
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,680
Hollywood now.
And he's like kind of at the

837
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,480
forefront of like, you know,
cutting edge directing and

838
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,760
things like that.
And then it's like, then we do

839
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,040
this movie with the, you know,
the rising indie darling, you

840
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,880
know, that makes these, you
know, kind of more slice of

841
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,360
life, like kind of less
cinematic, you know, for a lack

842
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,120
of better terms types of films.
You know, again, if anything,

843
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,400
it's just like it proves it's
like, oh, no, you very much need

844
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680
like, you know, the the proper
director to it.

845
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,880
Still take the take the script
and do the things that needs to

846
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,800
do and like take the the
blocking and, you know, figure

847
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,040
out what what's in between, if
you will.

848
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,760
So I don't know, I find this
again, if if you like just ever

849
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,600
admitted that this was a troll
job, I'd be like, you know what?

850
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,640
Cool.
Good for you, Manson.

851
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,280
I actually admire that.
If he if he were to come out and

852
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,200
just like, yeah, this was a
total troll job.

853
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,000
Because that's what it sounds
like when you like say it to

854
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,200
somebody like, Oh yeah, I'm
going to remake Psycho.

855
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,720
Let's do everything to be
exactly the same.

856
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,680
Like everything.
Yes, everything.

857
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,880
Like what would have been a more
interesting experiment?

858
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,240
One of my favorite projects that
came out of COVID, a fella I

859
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,280
went to college with, he
commissioned a bunch of people,

860
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,200
like over like 100 people.
They remade Taken, but it was

861
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,760
everybody filmed like a minute
or two, Like everybody got a one

862
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,840
or two-minute thing and then
they stitched it all together to

863
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,520
make a new version of Taken.
And it's like, Oh, well, see,

864
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,880
like when you like again, it's
like everybody had to do the

865
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,840
like, that was like the one
stipulations.

866
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,800
You had to do it by the script.
Like everyone had like the

867
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,160
original script and like
whatever your section was, you

868
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,760
had to do the script.
But everything else could, you

869
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,640
know, kind of be its own thing.
So that's even a more

870
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,760
interesting experiment rather
than being like, no, I'm going

871
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,400
to take literally everything.
I just want to show you that

872
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,640
like, I don't have the overall
vision to stitch it together.

873
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,400
I think my thing with Vincent is
like, he tells great stories.

874
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Like my own private Idaho
drugstore cowboy Goodwill

875
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,760
Hunting.
I don't think he's a

876
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,400
particularly good director.
Like there's nothing about Van

877
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,720
Santorum like like that is a
flourish you would only see in

878
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,360
one of his movies.
I think he tells like excellent

879
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,480
stories.
And part of the reason why

880
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,600
Universal wanted to pair with
him in the late 80s, early 90s

881
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,320
is because they knew that other
other performers one of the

882
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,240
collaborate with him.
Like one of the things that does

883
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,720
come across and the commentary
is like, people really like to

884
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,320
work with Gus Van Sant.
Like he's.

885
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,160
Great for work with.
On set, he makes everybody feel

886
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,600
like very at ease and he gets
like excellent performances out

887
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,360
of everybody.
But I don't think he's a

888
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,400
particularly like, there's
nothing about the way he lends

889
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,120
as a film where I'm like, yeah,
like, that is a definite

890
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,240
flourish that you would only see
from him.

891
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,080
Yeah, I and again, he's got
otouris touches, like he's got a

892
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,280
voice, he's got subjects that
really interest and fascinate

893
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,280
him.
Just none of that's here.

894
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,640
And I think that for me is the
most frustrating thing is not

895
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,760
only do I not see any Van Zandt
here, I cannot think of why it's

896
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,520
this movie that Van Zandt is so
adamant to remake.

897
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,320
Like, because it doesn't
particularly.

898
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,200
Again, like there's something
interesting in an openly queer

899
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,880
film maker taking a franchise
that, as we've discussed over

900
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,880
the past several weeks, is very
much about repression and and

901
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,800
kind of exploring that idea.
But this doesn't explore any of

902
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,760
that.
And in fact, when asked in the

903
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,240
making of documentary is is
Vince playing it gay?

904
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,520
He's like, no, like absolutely
not.

905
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,760
Like, why are you?
Why would you even ask that

906
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,360
question?
Like, like it just doesn't even,

907
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,960
he's not even considering
putting that in here.

908
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,680
And that feels like that would
be an interesting touch to for

909
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,920
him to work with and play with.
That would be something to

910
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,480
really sink his teeth into, and
he doesn't seem interested in

911
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,040
that at all.
Yeah, Thank you.

912
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,760
Yeah, I agree.
We'll definitely get to that

913
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,640
when we talk about the movie, if
you're kind of like sliding in

914
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,680
and out of it here, getting to
the movie proper.

915
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Hey, if there's any episode
that's gonna be for anybody

916
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,880
that's been clamoring for an
episode that is 90% background,

917
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,600
it's this one.
Cuz we've already, we've already

918
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,680
really talked about like Psycho
as a movie itself.

919
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,520
Yeah, this is exactly this is
the all background episode.

920
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,640
I think it's all background.
A lot of what we talk about with

921
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,120
the movie itself is what change,
and there are a few.

922
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,400
I mean, it's not it's, it's
technically shot for shot, but

923
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,560
there are differences.
It's more they.

924
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,840
Kind of make the yeah, they make
the differences kind of stand

925
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,240
out, but I don't know.
By adhering so closely to the

926
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:37,600
original text, any any
deviations from that text tend

927
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,560
to be glaring, and that is
definitely the case.

928
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,080
Here.
I'll go get my Walkman.

929
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,640
I'll say that like Viggo,
Mortensen is in his own movie

930
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:47,720
here.
He's stupid.

931
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,520
Something God love him.
I kind of like that about it.

932
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,120
Thank you, Steve.
It doesn't Jello.

933
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,840
It's not jello, Brian.
Yeah, Do you want to talk about

934
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,080
how the cast for the Psycho
reboot came around, in

935
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,240
particular our principles?
OK, so I'm gonna I have a quick

936
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,320
rundowns of of them, but I think
this is one of the things that

937
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,320
really bothers me about the
movie is I love every single one

938
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,520
of these people.
Sure, I think they're all great

939
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,160
and other things and and and Gus
Van Sant too.

940
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,720
And that's why this is like, it
feels like such a waste of these

941
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:29,000
towering talents.
And that's part of my issue with

942
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,440
the movie, I think.
OK, so generally speaking, all

943
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,400
the actors in this movie had
just had some kind of

944
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,840
breakthrough or rediscovery.
So coming out of the a lot of

945
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,600
them coming out of the indie
scene, a few of them have broken

946
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,120
through into big studio things.
So that was all just kind of in

947
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,520
a way they're all up and coming
or re up and coming, you know

948
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,320
what I mean?
If that makes any sense.

949
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,440
OK, so first of all, Vince
Vaughn Swingers had come out a

950
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,840
couple years before and put both
him and Jon Favreau on the map.

951
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,800
And then he followed that up
with his first blockbuster

952
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,960
appearance in The Lost World,
Jurassic Park, which also

953
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,480
features another cast member of
this movie.

954
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:19,800
So one of the things I don't
understand is Van Sant saying he

955
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,000
could really picture he he was
watching Vince Vaughn and he

956
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,880
could really picture him as
Norman Bates.

957
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,680
And I'm like, yeah.
Really.

958
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,720
I don't understand.
That.

959
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,240
That guy at all you?
Can see like Vaughn is doing

960
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,320
that like very.
He's like, here's how you make

961
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,960
it as an actor trajectory like
you do the indie darling, which

962
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,240
is swingers.
Like swingers is awesome.

963
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,320
I rewatch that every few years.
Did I own a big bad voodoo daddy

964
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,360
and cherry pop and daddy's CD
after seeing swingers?

965
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,960
Absolutely.
My.

966
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,760
Friend.
Friends and I take up like swing

967
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,840
dancing classes for a friend's
wedding.

968
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,160
You bet we did.
Did we say like look at all the

969
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,920
beautiful babies?
Like when we would be out on a

970
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,760
night of the town.
I'm not going to admit to that,

971
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:06,520
but he's.
So good.

972
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Somebody, Mike, you're somebody.
You don't even know it.

973
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,240
It's just like one of the it's
like Clerks, but with a bit more

974
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,880
of a budget and better actors.
It's like that great.

975
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,920
It's a great Hang movie.
He does the bear dude.

976
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,320
Yeah, does the indie darling and
then he does the Mikey, look,

977
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,240
I'm going to make Gretzky bleed.
Does the indie darling and then

978
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,760
he does like the big blockbuster
movie works in Spielberg and now

979
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,760
he works with the quote UN quote
artiste.

980
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,760
Like you can see him like I am
connecting the dots and then he

981
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,640
does this and he gets put into
like movie jail until he

982
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,960
realizes like, what if I just do
like raunchy comedies and the

983
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,000
two like American Pie comes out
and it's like, yo, we can swing

984
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,640
our Dicks and comedies for the
next 10 years.

985
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,640
And he's like, that's me.
And that's what.

986
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,240
He where's that?
What will get him in here?

987
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,480
Yeah.
Man stopped working with Wes

988
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,320
Anderson.
It was a sad day cuz they

989
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,840
collaborated on some great films
early in Andersons career.

990
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,080
I mean, for me, I mean, if
you're gonna go with anybody for

991
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,800
this, cuz what I'll say is, I
mean whenever we get into it,

992
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,760
the movie proper I guess is the
Vince Vaughn's performance is

993
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,920
one of the biggest differences
I'd say between the two, for

994
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,120
better or worse, you know, like.
For better or worse.

995
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,240
Well, I say for better or worse,
because I'll say like, OK, if at

996
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,840
least it is.
Different.

997
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,000
It's different.
At least it is different.

998
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,440
That's all I'm saying is like,
you know, to anything, because I

999
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,000
think that is something I
desperately was like searching

1000
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,960
for and watching this is like,
OK, you gotta give me like I

1001
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,640
need something, you know, that
is going to be different.

1002
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,400
And like he is the one thing
that's different.

1003
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,080
And and and before we besmirched
Vince Vaughn too much, he's one

1004
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,880
of my favorite celebrity
encounters I've ever had in LA.

1005
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,400
He's a really nice guy.
Huge that that's the biggest

1006
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,680
thing.
He's like 6465.

1007
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,040
Like what do you mean you see
him as Norman?

1008
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,360
Yeah.
Like, not to say like Anthony

1009
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,720
Perkins was a small guy or
anything, but like he wasn't

1010
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,720
like you didn't like kind of
have that.

1011
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,760
Why wouldn't have?
I feel like Joaquin Phoenix

1012
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,400
would have been the the choice
that would have made the most

1013
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,560
sense here.
Like, you know, like, yeah, he

1014
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,800
very much like kind of gives a
little bit of Anthony Perkins

1015
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,800
vibes that when he was a little
bit younger, like in To Die For,

1016
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,600
I could see like little things
to where I'd be like, oh, hey, I

1017
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,840
could see him as Norman, but
Vince Vaughn?

1018
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,880
Not really.
Yeah, I think every time that

1019
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,680
Vince Vaughn laughs nervously,
I'm like completely taken out of

1020
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,240
the moon.
Yeah, it's just like, it's, I

1021
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,800
mean, it's an awkward
performance, but not in a

1022
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,080
Anthony Perkins being awkward
kind of way.

1023
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,360
It's it's awkward in the all the
wrong ways.

1024
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,680
It's awkward in that you should
not live, you're not allowed to

1025
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,680
live within 100 yards of a
public school type of way, which

1026
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,840
is not Anthony Perkins
performance.

1027
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,800
It's not the character.
In Norman at all, like the

1028
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,800
beauty of the Norman Bates
character is throughout 4

1029
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,720
movies, despite everything he's
done, the audience is like

1030
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,840
sympathetic for him.
Not in a way that we're like

1031
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,440
rooting for him to murder a
bunch of people like you would

1032
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,800
be in a Friday the 13th or a
Nightmare in Elm Street movie.

1033
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,880
But in a like, this man has been
dealt a horrible lot in life and

1034
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,520
you cannot help but feel for him
and you want him to be able to

1035
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,920
escape that.
With that said, though, we we

1036
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,680
kind of remove that because the
twist of psycho is that it's

1037
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,400
been him the whole time.
We have that context, like that

1038
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,200
context is baked into the cake
now.

1039
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,560
It's one of those like everyone
knows that fucking Rosebud is

1040
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,920
the sled moments like we have
to.

1041
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,760
And so you have to like, I think
Von maybe, and maybe this is

1042
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Von's thought, maybe it's
Vanzant's.

1043
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,480
I don't know.
Do you need to recalibrate the

1044
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,480
performance to meet the audience
expectation, knowing we're doing

1045
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,800
this almost 30 years later and
the audience is going to have

1046
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,680
some different ideas or a
preconceived notion of what

1047
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,960
Norman is based on their own
memories?

1048
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,520
Well, and I I think they did,
but I think they recalibrate it

1049
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,160
to the wrong place because the
whole this movie Vince Vaughn

1050
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,600
plays as if like Norman's done
this before and he likes killing

1051
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,120
and that it's like, OK, like,
you know, like that's the way he

1052
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,560
plays it 'cause I guess like to
your point is that Van Sant

1053
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,000
going, well, you know, he's the
killer.

1054
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,440
We might as well lean into it
and like get the, you know, more

1055
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,320
sinister performance.
It's like, no, that's not why we

1056
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,480
like Norman.
We don't like Norman because of

1057
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,520
the sinisterness.
We like him because he actually

1058
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,480
has humanity to him.
And, you know, and we want, you

1059
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,960
know, we don't want to believe
him to be that, you know, kind

1060
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,240
of killer.
So I think that is like, again,

1061
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,440
like Brian said, hit, I think
the best at the beginning.

1062
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,960
He made all the wrong choices.
There are choices that can be

1063
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,120
made that have better outcomes
and he did seemingly choose all

1064
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,360
the wrong choices.
And Vince Vaughn, I think it's

1065
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,640
like the like kind of near the
top of the list of the wrong

1066
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,160
choices.
Vince Vaughn to me just exudes

1067
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,880
confidence and I think that's
the biggest issue.

1068
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,040
He can't turn it off.
Yeah.

1069
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,320
You know, it's like if you put
someone in there, like, I know,

1070
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,920
I know.
It's sort of like the cliche

1071
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,440
choice, like Jeremy Davies, you
know, that's one that Roger

1072
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,560
Ebert brought up.
And I think, I think, yeah,

1073
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,000
that's kind of.
But it's probably too close to

1074
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,920
the original one that I thought
of because maybe because of all

1075
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,240
the Boogie Nights people.
Yeah.

1076
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,360
I thought of John C Reilly as.
Yeah, A.

1077
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,080
Young as a.
I mean.

1078
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Before.
Scream.

1079
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,840
Turned him into like a one note,
like kind of like you're going

1080
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,120
to get pigeon holed.
David Arquette was considered

1081
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,920
like one of the real up and
comers.

1082
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,120
And I think like you could even
because even when you watch

1083
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,280
Scream, there's a lot of that
movie where you're like, is it

1084
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Dewey?
Like is Dewey the killer here?

1085
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Like there's a little bit of
that edge there early on.

1086
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,840
That I think.
Time you get to scream too, like

1087
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,280
those edges are completely
sanded off.

1088
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,240
But I could see like an Arquette
guy Pierce.

1089
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Too.
Anybody in Ravenous.

1090
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,160
Anyone in Ravenous could have
played this role.

1091
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,840
Throw Guy Pierce, too.
Ethan Hawke would have been

1092
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,280
great I But of course I think
Ethan Hawke can do anything.

1093
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,720
If we're going non.
American.

1094
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,560
Hawk here actually if.
We're going non Americans like

1095
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,680
Ewan McGregor.
It's a Norman made coming on the

1096
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,320
train.
Spotting yeah, Chris Tucker from

1097
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,640
Rush Hour.
Executives, look how easy this

1098
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,880
is.
We're already cooking 8

1099
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,480
different better options like.
Fast talking, Chris Tucker is

1100
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Norman Bates.
Like you've been in one of those

1101
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:40,200
places, you know?
Boy, should I keep going now?

1102
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,600
I think we.
Can buy it.

1103
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,160
You know what you're talking
about, mother, Just so you so

1104
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,000
side note, my mother turns 80 in
December and we're going to

1105
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,240
throw like a party for her.
And I found this video of like

1106
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,880
Mr. CT singing Be good to your
mother.

1107
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,800
And I'm trying to convince my
family to recreate that video to

1108
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,160
say I will not dress up in the
gold chains or shave my head.

1109
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,360
Like I'm not doing that, but I
will sing the song and will

1110
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,840
recreate the whole.
Let me segue off of this from

1111
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,640
Chris Tucker, and I thought you
were going to segue into I'm and

1112
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,760
I'm going to do the whole thing
dressed as Ruby Rod from The

1113
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,520
Fifth Element.
We watched that the that movie

1114
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,760
holds up that movie.
I love that the other day.

1115
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,960
I watched a subpar Luke Beson
movie yesterday.

1116
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,880
I would much.
Rather watch.

1117
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,240
I thought about it but I was
like, I don't think so.

1118
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:33,640
Moving.
Moving on.

1119
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,480
And I'm a classic.
Let's talk about something else

1120
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,000
that is subpar.
That is our Marine Ukraine.

1121
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,200
OK, Anne Haish.
So her big break is in the

1122
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,200
soaps, winning a Daytime Emmy
and a couple of Soap Opera

1123
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,320
Digest awards for playing twins
on another world.

1124
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,400
OK, 1997 was a really big year
for her.

1125
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,280
She had key roles in Donnie
Brasco, Volcano, I Know What You

1126
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,240
Did Last Summer and Wagged the
Dog.

1127
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,600
And then in 1998 she had a big
starring role in Six Days, Seven

1128
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,720
Nights alongside Harrison Ford,
which is a critical and

1129
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,920
financial disaster, but it was a
starring role.

1130
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,560
You can see the Billboard for it
as well in this movie when she's

1131
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,880
pulling into the used car.
Lot I was thinking about that

1132
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,400
movie The other day after seeing
Send Help and then I was like I

1133
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,200
was like who?
I was like who's in it?

1134
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,520
Aside from across from Harrison
Ford.

1135
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,040
I didn't think it was Anne Hage,
but.

1136
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,880
Yeah, yeah.
Now, around this time, her

1137
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,080
personal life was kind of
overshadowing her career.

1138
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:40,280
I think I'd say she was very
much in the spotlight.

1139
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,280
She had entered into a
relationship with Ellen

1140
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,680
DeGeneres and who had just come
out on her sitcom.

1141
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,800
So this was sort of, I don't
know, it was, it was a big Oh my

1142
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,880
gosh, yeah moment, you know, and
it was kind of ridiculous, but.

1143
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,360
I think those two things, like
the two things that this movie

1144
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,680
and the relationship with Ellen
DeGeneres, because Anne Hesch's

1145
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,480
star gets completely swallowed
up by Ellen's, I would say.

1146
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:14,040
And like, it feels like her
career never, ever recovers.

1147
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,280
After.
This I'm like, am I wrong?

1148
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,760
I looked at her film She.
Does a lot of television stuff

1149
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,800
after this.
The other thing though is my hot

1150
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,400
take is like she is worse than
Vince Vaughn in this movie.

1151
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,920
Like I know like Vince Vaughn
gets all the hate because he's

1152
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,800
the lead, he's Norman, he's the
iconic character.

1153
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,240
She's fucking horrible in this
movie, like.

1154
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,760
I'm talking about cast besides
Anne Hache then.

1155
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,880
Oh God, you could have put sled
Julianne Moore in this role.

1156
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,120
I love Julianne Moore, she can
do no wrong in my mind.

1157
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,840
Heather.
Graham coming off of Boogie

1158
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,640
Nights, I think, although I
think you need some baby a

1159
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,560
little bit older.
Diane.

1160
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,600
Lane.
Annette Bening is a good call,

1161
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,280
Brian.
Diane Lane coming into this hole

1162
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,680
like a little bit older, more.
Maturing stone in there coming

1163
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:03,880
off base against.
It.

1164
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:04,920
There we go.
Yeah.

1165
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Yeah, we're.
Just going to recast this whole

1166
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,120
movie.
I love this price.

1167
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:15,440
But Anne Haish is awful in this
movie and she getting back to

1168
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,840
that commentary, she said she
had never watched Psycho until

1169
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,520
like the day before accepting
the part and her take on the

1170
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,800
character of Marianne was like,
what a she's an idiot, which is

1171
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,920
not the case of the site.
Like there's she is not.

1172
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,640
So she's like, I'm going to play
her like a dingbat basically,

1173
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,200
And that is the choice.
I got a player like she's

1174
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,720
oblivious to everything.
And it's like, that's just a

1175
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,400
that's a bad.
That's a weird reading.

1176
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,240
Yeah, it's a, it's a bad reading
of it's, it's a completely

1177
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,160
inaccurate reading of the
character.

1178
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,040
Well, yeah, it's, it's the same
thing.

1179
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,560
It's like same thing as Norman.
That's almost the complete

1180
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,040
opposite.
Because the whole thing that

1181
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,440
makes Mary and compelling is she
is aware of the, yeah, bad

1182
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,640
decision she's making.
And like that's why we're more

1183
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,240
invested.
Like if she's oblivious, then

1184
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,760
that, then no, yeah.
Yeah, the the thing she said.

1185
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,200
That was like infuriating, like
watching the couple things she

1186
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,480
said, like watching the
commentary #1 she said like what

1187
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,880
we talked, the first scene is
blocked differently.

1188
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,040
She's like, well, we wanted to
do that because like, I don't

1189
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,560
think anyone knows what the
relationship is between the

1190
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,480
characters and psycho.
Like there's no way.

1191
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,120
Like you would know that like
Sam and, and Mary and her

1192
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,320
lovers.
Like what info?

1193
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,960
And I'm like, he's standing over
her shirtless while she's in her

1194
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,000
bra and panties with a look at
her face that she says, like, I

1195
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,720
just got taken to pound town and
it was great.

1196
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,200
Like that is the opening look
from Janet Leigh in Psycho.

1197
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,760
Like, you know what happened in
Psycho?

1198
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,480
Like how do you not know the
character's relationship?

1199
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,000
Like it's such a mystery.
Like I don't think you can tell

1200
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,920
anyone's relationship in the
original.

1201
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,880
It's like, then you're a fucking
idiot.

1202
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,480
Like you don't watch movies like
you.

1203
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,920
You're an actor.
I get it, you perform, you have

1204
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,200
a lot of talent, but you're
fucking dumb.

1205
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,920
Like I and I'm sorry, Like her
reading of that is is and then

1206
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,600
she said, well, I took this
movie because I don't think kids

1207
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,520
today watch like older movies.
I don't think they've seen the

1208
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,600
original psycho.
I think they know what it is.

1209
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,480
And I'm like you just said,
you've never watched this movie

1210
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,000
until you took the role and like
it's such a disingenuous

1211
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,960
statement and like, no, honey,
people know what psycho is.

1212
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,840
Like, we've we've seen it.
It's OK.

1213
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,560
We've it was such a it was like
AI wanted to take my remote and

1214
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,040
throw it to through the TV
because I feel like I'm being

1215
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,760
talked down to by a moron and
I'm just like, this is no, it

1216
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,960
got me mad and I hate to speak
I'll of the dead because she was

1217
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,960
so talented and her life went in
such a tragic direction that it

1218
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,920
should not have gone in.
And fortunately, like rather

1219
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,280
than get her help, like the
tabloids are like look at all

1220
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,640
the fodder we have, like the
early 2000s are awful for that,

1221
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,080
especially the women.
That being said, two things

1222
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,120
going to be true.
It's really tragic.

1223
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,680
She was a giant dummy.
Like if you remain her with the

1224
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,480
scarlet letter, you would make
it with a big D instead of an A

1225
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,840
and the D would have been for
like a dumb head.

1226
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,800
OK, that is my take on her take
on Marion Gray.

1227
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,280
Hope you all have enjoyed Mike's
tribute to Anne Haish.

1228
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,720
Yeah.
Has anyone?

1229
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,080
Ever seen Joe Dante's comment on
this stuff?

1230
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,520
No, I have not.
I bet it's.

1231
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,120
Great.
It runs around the Internet

1232
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,480
every now and then.
And Joe Dante says, well, I

1233
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,880
think the Psycho sequels are
better than the remake.

1234
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,680
I think that's there's no
question about it, he said.

1235
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,160
Because there's just no point of
it.

1236
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,160
But then he says something like
they ask him.

1237
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,280
He says, well, kids won't watch.
Well, people would tell me,

1238
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,400
well, kids won't watch movies in
black and white.

1239
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,280
His response is immediately fuck
up.

1240
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,640
But it's like, Joe Dante, I love
you so much.

1241
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,640
What a.
Treasure the universal monster

1242
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,360
movies like it's the Oh no, this
is what really pissed me.

1243
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,920
I'm sorry.
There was one thing that got me

1244
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,240
mad, She said.
We wanted to do this movie

1245
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,160
because like it's kind of a it's
a thriller, not really a horror

1246
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,880
movie, which I think is true.
She's like, it's thrillers were

1247
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,800
really not in vogue at the time.
Everybody just wanted.

1248
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,640
Drugs and.
Cuts.

1249
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,760
It's the fucking 90s.
It's when the term thriller

1250
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,399
came.
Otherwise.

1251
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:18,920
Silence.
It's Silence of the Lambs,

1252
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:25,640
copycat 7 erotic thrillers like
Fatal Attraction, anything with

1253
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,720
Sharon, anything with Sharon
Stone in it.

1254
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,200
Like I can't even fucking think
of move because it's this

1255
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,240
comment made me so mad and I'm
like you are so dumb.

1256
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,319
You are just such a fucking
moron.

1257
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,520
Like stop I.
Think I think ignorant about

1258
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,240
movie history is probably.
The error, she's not even

1259
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,680
history like she lives in, it's
like lives in this town.

1260
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,800
This is her industry.
She was probably up for some of

1261
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,800
these roles.
It's like my God, it was like I

1262
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,000
very rarely really get upset at
things like this but I'm like I

1263
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,800
was like, I can't believe I
spent 8 bucks to listen to this

1264
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,960
drivel.
All right, anyway, RIPNH gone

1265
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:06,000
but not forgotten.
Moving on, Julianne Moore, who

1266
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,120
is my favorite actress?
She's my favorite actress.

1267
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,040
Love her OK, I I mean no notes.
I love her.

1268
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,840
OK, so she had slowly been
building her career since the

1269
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,040
late he's.
Some roles that grabbed

1270
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,200
attention were Robert Altman
Shortcuts, where she famously

1271
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,840
wears a shirt but no pants at
one point, and the starring role

1272
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,200
in Todd Haynes breakthrough
feature Safe, which is a trip of

1273
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,520
a movie if you've ever seen
that.

1274
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,760
On the big studio movie side,
she also starred in Nine Months,

1275
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,920
which was a big flop with Hugh
Grant, Assassins with Stallone

1276
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,880
and The Lost World with Vince
Vaughn.

1277
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:49,040
Her biggest break to date just
before this was as Amber Waves

1278
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,439
in Boogie Nights, which earned
her a much deserved Oscar

1279
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,600
nomination of the same year.
As Psycho, she appeared in a fun

1280
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,520
little flop from the makers of
Fargo about a Stoner bowler

1281
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,200
called The Big Lebowski.
I don't know if anyone's heard

1282
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,360
of that one, but no one saw it
back in 1998, that's for sure.

1283
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,760
But now it's my daughter's
favorite movie and we just

1284
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,560
watched it last weekend for her
birthday.

1285
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,520
Again.
She's she's perfect.

1286
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,400
She's one of my favorites as
well.

1287
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,640
I fell in love with her a few
years later from the movie

1288
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,840
Evolution starring David
Duchovny and and her when she's

1289
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,720
like goofy, she's like a goofy
like genius.

1290
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:33,440
I'm like love her ignited my
love for redheads, quite

1291
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,120
honestly and so love.
Her.

1292
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,560
So she also, I wonder, you know,
what she thought about this film

1293
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,200
when then she was then
approached to be Mama White and

1294
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,320
Carrie.
I wonder what her like kind of

1295
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,600
think it was.
But she's actually really good.

1296
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,560
Shocking.
Of course, she's great as Mama

1297
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,480
White, but so an interesting
little track record when it

1298
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:56,280
comes to remakes.
Do you guys?

1299
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,520
Think Carrie is eligible for a
wheel pick because it's like

1300
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,280
basically 3 remakes and a scene.
Plenty of carries, yeah.

1301
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:04,880
There's a carry.
Every day.

1302
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,720
That's the rage.
And then there's the one there's

1303
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,680
Carrie with Angela Bettis.
Bettis.

1304
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,840
Yeah.
And then there's the remake.

1305
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,440
The other.
Remake.

1306
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,520
That's why I ask, is it
eligible?

1307
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,280
Because it's like not
necessarily a franchise so much

1308
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,480
as it is like 3 individual
movies and then the sequel.

1309
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:25,480
A sequel.
Yeah, Yeah, OK.

1310
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,840
I think that's about the same
thing about The Shining.

1311
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,000
There's.
An amateur.

1312
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,880
There's an amateur shot on of
the musical too on YouTube if

1313
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,720
you wanna.
I played guitar for the musical.

1314
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,880
Yes, man, I love the musical.
It's actually really good.

1315
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,440
They reworked it.
It's sort of this notorious

1316
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,360
flop, but it is it is.
It's.

1317
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,080
Interesting.
It's actually.

1318
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,360
Quite good.
They reworked it after the IT

1319
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,840
sort of fell apart on Broadway
and it's it's like a popular

1320
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,680
college show now.
It is, yeah.

1321
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,160
My my partner's sister and her
husband, I think, went and saw a

1322
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,720
production of it and in
Wisconsin a few years back.

1323
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,240
And yeah, I'm so jealous.
Yeah.

1324
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,440
It's, I love it.
Actually, I, I, I had one of the

1325
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,680
IT was one of the most emotional
experiences every night.

1326
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,920
Every time at the end of the
show, the drummer would be like

1327
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,920
in tears.
OK.

1328
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,840
From from that show, yeah.
So anyway, nice.

1329
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,040
Carrie Department's Carrie,
Brian, you and I were like,

1330
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,240
messaging back and forth.
Yeah, 'cause I'm angling to come

1331
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,640
on.
When you cover that for Holy

1332
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,640
Terror, that is one of the most
heartbreaking movies of all

1333
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:33,800
time.
It is just.

1334
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,640
Like.
Such a heartbreaking, sad and

1335
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,400
Sissy say Spacek is so good and
yeah God damn like what AI?

1336
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,840
Know.
Yeah, for sure.

1337
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,560
OK, so Speaking of Boogie Nights
and the Coen Brothers, we have

1338
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,240
William H Macy next.
Yay, Bill.

1339
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,280
Macy's, he was making a nice
little niche for himself as a

1340
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,400
character actor.
He was in movies like Mr.

1341
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,520
Holland's Opus, Vice Principal,
Vice Principal Walters, you

1342
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:07,280
know?
In 1996, he starred in the

1343
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,560
brilliant and perfect Fargo as
Jerry Lundegaard, which he

1344
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,320
received an Oscar nomination for
that.

1345
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:19,080
In 1997, he joined the PTA crew
as Little Bill in Boogie Nights.

1346
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,000
And Boogie Nights.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1347
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,560
My, my wife has an ass in her
cock.

1348
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,000
I love that line.
He was also in Wag the Dog with

1349
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:35,120
Anne Haisch and had a very key
role in Pleasantville in 1998

1350
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,760
before making Psycho.
One of the great character

1351
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,800
actors that we have that can
also like lead a series like

1352
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,200
Shameless.
Yep.

1353
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,480
Yep.
William H Macy can do no wrong.

1354
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,200
You you know what went.
He's in my favorite movie.

1355
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,400
He's in Magnolia as well.
I'm sorry, Devon.

1356
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,520
Oh, I was going to say, you know
what went wrong here because

1357
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,040
when you were talking about
William H Macy carving out a

1358
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,080
specific niche, that specific
niche is little guy with a

1359
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,560
mustache and he is clean shaven
in this room.

1360
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,360
He's clean shaven in.
Fargo.

1361
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,800
So that's the issue here.
I haven't actually.

1362
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,360
I haven't seen Fargo, but I
always know him to have

1363
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,280
mustaches.
Depending on the depending on

1364
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,040
the day.
Fargo is my favorite movie.

1365
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,600
Yeah, so I'm apparently a
William H Macy fan too, because.

1366
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,160
Frankenstein, to be clear.
No.

1367
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,160
OK, Brian, so let me ask you
this.

1368
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,320
Rock'n'roll, Frankenstein or
Psycho 98.

1369
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,840
I'm definitely picking Psycho 98
over that piece of shit.

1370
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,680
OK, yeah, OK.
Like I said, this is not the

1371
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:44,600
this is not the worst movie I've
seen this month, OK?

1372
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,560
But it is the movie that it
seems to have elicited the the

1373
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,640
strongest reaction.
Hence my question.

1374
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,520
It does, I mean, but I'd rather.
Frankenstein expecting.

1375
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,040
It to be good yeah.
No, you don't no you don't.

1376
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,760
I'd rather be passionate about
something than just like, like,

1377
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,840
you know, I watched 3
Frankenstein movies that were

1378
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,680
just horrendous, you know, with
it recently.

1379
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:11,040
And so it's like, you know,
they're just forgettable.

1380
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,240
They go off my mind.
This movie actually makes me

1381
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:14,840
mad.
So it makes me feel something.

1382
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,720
So I'm good with that.
I feel like William H Macy was

1383
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:22,200
the one person that was on Gus
Van Sant's wavelength because

1384
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:27,360
he's plays Arbogast exactly the
same as if he was in the 60s

1385
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,080
movie.
So I'm really you're the only

1386
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:30,720
one that was like.
Remar does, too.

1387
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,480
James Remars.
James remar, too.

1388
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,880
It's such a small.
Role like the remars in it for

1389
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,400
much less, but you're right,
yeah.

1390
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,800
But something about Arbogast as
one like real Macy's.

1391
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,760
Like you want me to do exactly
the same?

1392
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,280
Okay, got.
It and when you watch the making

1393
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:50,080
of documentary to invoke it
again, you see Macy watching the

1394
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,960
original film and paying very
close attention to what Martin

1395
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,920
Balsam is doing and speaks
nothing but complimentary about

1396
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,400
Martin Balsam.
So he's just like, yeah, I can

1397
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,600
give you that.
That's no.

1398
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,560
Problem.
And does very well, like the

1399
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,360
scene of him falling down the
stairs.

1400
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,760
It's perfect.
Like he knows he Macy,

1401
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,360
understands the assignment in a
way that many of the other

1402
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,440
members of this cast do not.
Right.

1403
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaking of Viggo Mortensen.
OK, so Vigo had been actively

1404
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,800
and regularly appearing in
movies since the mid 1980s,

1405
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,680
mostly in really small roles.
Some notables include

1406
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,360
Leatherface, The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre 3, The Reflecting Skin,

1407
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,200
which is actually he's the lead
role technically in that movie.

1408
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,600
A very small film but a really
good one.

1409
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,400
The Carlito's Way, Crimson Tide,
the Vanishing Point remake, I

1410
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:43,520
think it was ATV movie and in
the prophecy covered recently on

1411
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,400
Holy Terrors.
Great episode he.

1412
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,880
He plays Lucifer and he's great.
I love him in that movie.

1413
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,360
I mean, it's him and Christopher
Walken in that movie.

1414
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,880
That man, I'd seen watched that
movie 100 times.

1415
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,880
If it was just them, because
they're they're so great.

1416
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,000
Who's the better Lucifer?
Is it Vigo in the prophecy or is

1417
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,680
it Peter Stormare in
Constantine?

1418
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,960
Peter Stormare.
What about dear and Angel heart?

1419
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,520
What about Al in Devil's
Advocate?

1420
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,720
Nah, it's still pierced from.
Me.

1421
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,120
Do we need to do a Devil's
Month?

1422
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,040
Like, I know there's a
franchise.

1423
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:20,640
We do it devil's well.
The Prophecy is a franchise.

1424
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,320
Yeah, it.
Is I've got 4 it could go on the

1425
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,320
list.
There are 5.

1426
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,680
OK.
Brian loves them all.

1427
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,640
I've only seen the first one,
I've never seen the sequels.

1428
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,520
I do now have the Vinegar
Syndrome K which has the first 3

1429
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,280
in it.
Well, we know what Brian's wheel

1430
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:37,520
pick for this year is going to
be.

1431
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,880
No, it's not.
But, you know, I was tempted.

1432
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,360
I was very tempted, but I I went
with something else for the

1433
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,080
wheel pick.
But, you know, we'll see what

1434
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,920
happens.
OK, so his biggest splash before

1435
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,760
this, he was the leader of the
SEAL team that Demi Moore's

1436
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,800
character joints in GI Jane.
He was sort of the antagonist in

1437
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,760
that movie, which I'll have to
admit, I've, I have never seen

1438
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:03,840
GI Jane.
Same.

1439
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,760
Same.
Of course, his biggest successes

1440
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,360
would come after this.
Thanks to Peter Jackson and

1441
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,320
David Cronenberg.
Oh.

1442
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,040
He's been in a Peter Jackson
movie.

1443
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,520
Interesting.
Yeah, I don't know.

1444
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,640
Lord of the something.
Lord of the something.

1445
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,000
It's.
Probably something you can cover

1446
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,400
on Holy Terrors, yeah.
Yeah, maybe.

1447
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:25,200
Maybe I am just.
Eyeing up a day to like.

1448
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,760
My wife got me the 4K box set
for Christmas.

1449
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,400
It's like the one thing I asked
for to like, find a day to just

1450
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:36,080
like at 9:00 in the morning, put
on the comfy cozies, throw a

1451
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,360
bunch of stuff in the crock pot
and just like eat, sit under a

1452
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,920
blanket and watch all three of
them all.

1453
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,280
Day, the extended editions of
Lord of the.

1454
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,080
Friends, my friend Hope and her
partner did that recently and

1455
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,800
like they did all the meals to
coincide with it as.

1456
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,400
Well.
One of the things that's funny

1457
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,680
is my son was like kind of
really wanting to watch The Lord

1458
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,840
of the Rings.
And so we watched all the

1459
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,880
Fellowship and then we got both
times.

1460
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,720
We tried this twice with him.
We got about halfway through Two

1461
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:11,200
Towers and he just tapped out.
Wow.

1462
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,720
He's just like I he could not.
That's quitter talk.

1463
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,520
Brian had no interest in keeping
going on those.

1464
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,040
And Vigo is.
Sat through me listening,

1465
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,800
reading the entire series.
But, you know, go ahead.

1466
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,000
Vigo best part of TCM three him
and Ken Foray.

1467
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,520
He has one of my favorite
exchanges when he's like what's

1468
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,800
wrong with you people and he
goes we're hungry is really

1469
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,880
great and I love to imagine that
Vigo said.

1470
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,600
I will do this movie on one
condition Gus, do I get to show

1471
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,840
my butt because of course we get
Vigo butt in this movie.

1472
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,760
Of course we do love that for
him.

1473
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:53,480
You know, I don't hate Vigo in
this movie.

1474
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:58,600
I got to say I actually he's
really funny and he's kind of,

1475
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,160
he's an ass and I kind of love
that about him because he makes

1476
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,440
every choice that John Gavin
doesn't make.

1477
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,080
And for once.
It's kind of the right way to

1478
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,040
go.
I think he's sort of a creep,

1479
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,800
you know?
And with Julianne Moore playing

1480
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,040
her part queer, I mean, in the
subtext at least.

1481
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,400
Yeah.
And he keeps on hitting on her

1482
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,960
and she keeps on shrugging off.
It kind of works.

1483
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,840
I would kind of like that
element of the.

1484
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,720
Movie.
That was the one funny thing in

1485
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,880
the commentary, because I'm
watching the movie The first

1486
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,320
time and I'm like, dude, like
Vigo is trying to get with the

1487
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,680
sister.
Like it's so obvious that he's

1488
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,480
trying to get with her
throughout, right?

1489
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:38,240
Like, was that an act?
Of I mean, I mean, it was very

1490
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,320
funny because he does, because
he does have the line whenever

1491
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,640
they're talking at the
beginning, he's talking to Mary.

1492
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,800
He's like, does your sister look
like you?

1493
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:50,080
And then so like, if so,
realistically, if you're dating

1494
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,040
Anne Haish and then you find out
the sister looks like Julianne

1495
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,000
Moore, Yeah, I'm going.
For you're like upgrade.

1496
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,240
Anne Moore.
You're like upgrade like von.

1497
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,600
Yes, please.
Von when he's you know, the

1498
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,120
commentary he slips into his
character from Swingers Rd.,

1499
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,880
He's like look, you know, like
you look at what like me goes to

1500
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,520
he's trying to get with his
sister.

1501
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,680
He's like he doesn't really want
to get involved.

1502
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,400
He's like, hey, baby, how about
we just stay behind and like put

1503
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,520
on some love oil and just kind
of get with it, you know, and

1504
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,200
like Van Sant and Hesh, like no,
he's not doing that.

1505
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,080
He's like, no, he absolutely is
like Vaughn's like and Vaughn

1506
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,680
like it was the one time in the
whole commentary where he like

1507
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,120
drew a line of the sand and like
kind of went after Van sand.

1508
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,240
He's like, how?
Do you like?

1509
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:32,360
How do you not?
See this?

1510
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,800
He's like, it's so obvious
that's what he's doing.

1511
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,920
Like that means we.
Know when he doesn't know how to

1512
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,640
watch movies, but to learn that
Gus Van Sant doesn't either.

1513
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,280
Yeah, it.
Was like absolutely hysterical

1514
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,080
because he totally slips into
the character from Swingers,

1515
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,360
which to me his Norman is an
amalgamation of his character of

1516
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,200
Swingers and Favreau's character
in Swingers.

1517
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,960
Like it's he took the two of
them together.

1518
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,160
That's a Norman in this movie
and it's not a good choice.

1519
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,200
So no.
I would rather see him do Norman

1520
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,680
like he plays his character in
Freaky from a few years ago.

1521
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,880
Or that were the wedding
crashers like I'd.

1522
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:14,760
Or his character in True
Detective season 2.

1523
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:18,560
Or his character, like he is one
of Hollywood's conservatives,

1524
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,120
like one of the few he is
outspoken.

1525
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:23,360
Or his character in Fred Claus
does.

1526
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,160
Yeah.
Does a lot of S Craig Zahler

1527
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,080
films.
Yeah, yeah.

1528
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,160
But he is an outspoken.
Conservative as well.

1529
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,640
I wouldn't mind play him like he
did in Fred Claus.

1530
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:38,160
I don't know anything.
Anything but this.

1531
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,440
Just moving on.
OK, I got two more Phillip Baker

1532
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:47,480
Hall, long time character actor
who had had a resurgence thanks

1533
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:50,720
to a young hotshot director
named Paul Thomas Anderson, who

1534
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,080
cast him in his first movie,
Hard 8 Boogie Nights followed,

1535
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,880
and the memorable line of butter
in my ass, lollipops in my

1536
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,120
mouth.
Just before this, he was in The

1537
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,800
Truman Show, Rush Hour, and
Enemy of the State.

1538
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,600
So yeah, I'm sorry.
You're right, you're right.

1539
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,800
We'll get.
That's why I have three more.

1540
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,320
Any comments on Phillip Baker
Hall, Paul Thomas Anderson's

1541
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:17,240
favorite actor?
I will say this, a decade later,

1542
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:21,240
he's going to let another serial
killer off the hook in Zodiac

1543
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:25,600
when he's like, yeah, I don't
think this handwriting matches

1544
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,240
and he's like, I'm not going to
sign off on a warrant.

1545
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:32,120
So Phillip Baker Hall like
playing incompetent police

1546
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,480
officers in a way that makes you
want to trust them for over the

1547
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,680
spanning a decade.
Yeah, I also love him.

1548
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,440
Bookman in Seinfeld.
Yes, my God, the best.

1549
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,000
Is one of the funniest, one of
the funniest single guest

1550
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,000
episodes on that show.
Yeah, he's so funny.

1551
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,880
Absolutely brilliant, yeah.
What?

1552
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,680
Do you think about this God?
He's so brilliant in that role.

1553
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:02,080
So brilliant.
OK, Robert Forrester's 70s and

1554
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:07,800
80s cult icon, but always pretty
much an underground actor until

1555
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:13,760
1997, when he played Max Cherry
in a movie called Jackie Brown

1556
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:20,200
by an unknown up and Comer named
Quentin Tarantino.

1557
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:21,120
Yeah.
OK.

1558
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,440
So he also received an Oscar
nomination for that role and

1559
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:26,960
very much he.
Deserves it.

1560
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,560
That movie has a very special
place in my heart for a specific

1561
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,200
reason.
I'm going to try something here.

1562
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:36,000
Indulge me for a moment,
listeners. 90 minutes in.

1563
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:40,440
Hold on, Claire, are you around?
Come here for a SEC.

1564
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,400
All right.
Do you remember what movie we

1565
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,160
saw on our first date?
Jackie Brown.

1566
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,400
Yes, that is why Jackie Brown
has a very special place in my

1567
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,480
heart.
Midnight movies.

1568
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:54,760
And if you know my wife, she
never stays up till midnight.

1569
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,240
Never ever.
And she did for our first date,

1570
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,920
so Can you believe it?
That's kind of a that's kind of

1571
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:02,760
a win first for a first date.
That's a that's an aces pick.

1572
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,360
Yeah, it.
Is very good, yeah.

1573
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,160
Then she came over and stepped
in a bowl of salad dressing in

1574
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,080
my room.
But she stuck with me.

1575
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,320
So 20 years this year.
So awesome.

1576
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,480
So I mean, so that's what you're
into.

1577
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,000
Is the salad dressing?
Yeah, you.

1578
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,360
You need Lube every now and then
in French dressing, and of all

1579
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,360
the salad dressings, French
dressing is the best Lube.

1580
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,360
Is the best Lube OK?
Particularly for feet.

1581
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,080
And it contained an empty finger
frosting and a roll of duct

1582
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:32,240
tape.
Yeah.

1583
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,600
And then I.
Sat in a bottle of salad.

1584
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,000
Yeah, and true romance.
This is my favorite thing that

1585
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,200
is I was going to.
Say, with that revelation,

1586
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,400
Claire's first and last
appearance there, you.

1587
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,600
Go.
Boy.

1588
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,400
The Psycho of the Psycho 98
episode of all episodes.

1589
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,600
You know, right?
Yeah, sorry.

1590
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,560
I mean Robert Forster worked
with after that, he pretty much

1591
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,920
worked with everybody until he
passed away in 2019.

1592
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,920
David Lynch.
And, you know, obviously the,

1593
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,040
the revival of Twin Peaks and
stuff.

1594
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:14,440
Mulholland Dr. Yeah, Mulholland
Dr. Just, I mean, I was, I

1595
01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:18,080
didn't really realize it until
later, but I became so happy

1596
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,680
when it looking, when I look
back on sort of this resurgence

1597
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,960
this guy had, because he had
been very much an underground

1598
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:30,160
actor for throughout the 70s and
80s, But in the 90s to the end

1599
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:34,400
of his life, to have such a
resurgence as him is, is

1600
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,760
remarkable.
And he was, it seemed like a

1601
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,640
really genuinely good dude.
So anyway.

1602
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,360
What are the few improvements as
well like one of the I think he

1603
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:47,280
is better in this as well.
I do for sure like Forster.

1604
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:49,640
Yeah.
You got one more there, Brian.

1605
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,120
Yeah, OK.
James Remar.

1606
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,080
We got to talk about James
Remar.

1607
01:26:54,240 --> 01:27:00,000
Dare race James remar.
I'm sorry, I mean, so I I was

1608
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,360
watching this again.
I know who that is and it's like

1609
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,800
it's Dexters dad.
That's my familiarity.

1610
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:14,760
So I'm gonna need you guys to.
He's a big Walter Hill guy early

1611
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,200
on.
He does a lot of work.

1612
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,000
The Warriors, the Long Riders 48
hours he's.

1613
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,560
In a ton of Walter Hills, okay.
He's in William Friedkins

1614
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,280
Cruising, which is a fucking
masterpiece, that movie.

1615
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,440
And then for this, he's coming
hot off the heels off of Mortal

1616
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:32,120
Kombat Annihilation Another.
Beloved.

1617
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:35,800
Film by the cinema community,
yes.

1618
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:41,960
His connection to Van Sant is he
is a cop in Van Sant, drugstore

1619
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,880
cowboy, kind of on the tail of
like Matt Dillon's character,

1620
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,800
but it's also like sympathetic
towards Dylan's character as

1621
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,560
well.
That makes sense.

1622
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:57,200
He's really good at that.
Most recently he's the general

1623
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,080
in charge of like the army camp
and Welcome to Derry.

1624
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:04,600
He is character.
He is really good at that, but

1625
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,600
his character has like the
dumbest motivations I've ever

1626
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,240
heard in a show.
But he's really good so it

1627
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,560
almost sells sells it.
But boy Lord it's like what if

1628
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:20,320
we kidnap Pennywise and use him
as a weapon against the hippies

1629
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,480
is basic.
Spoiler alert for IT.

1630
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:24,920
Welcome to dairy.
But.

1631
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:29,120
A couple years after this, he's
in What Lies Beneath and you

1632
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,560
know Hellraiser Inferno, Devon's
beloved the Hellraiser

1633
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,400
franchise.
And then Dexter, which is still

1634
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:40,160
doing Dexter things because they
cannot stop doing Dexter, They

1635
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:43,680
just can't stop so many Dexter
won't.

1636
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:44,440
Stop.
Nope.

1637
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,280
And the first thing I remember
seeing a man was, of course, the

1638
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:56,320
1996 Billy Zane classic The
Phantom, where he plays a white

1639
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,960
guy who's part of a Chinese
gang.

1640
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,560
Says this is Blade Trinity.
I don't remember him in Blade

1641
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,320
Trinity.
To be fair, I don't remember a

1642
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,760
lot of that movie.
I miss that roles as a cop.

1643
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,000
Slash FBI agent slash detective.
Yeah.

1644
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,520
Yeah, if you need some guy to
like show up and be a little

1645
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,600
hard boiled, you get James
Remar.

1646
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,320
He's in Two Fast 2 Furious as
well.

1647
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,320
As a customs agent, that one,
yeah.

1648
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,560
Yeah.
He played all the agents, all of

1649
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,440
them.
Yeah, well, OK, there's, there's

1650
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:31,400
I, I also, I need to mention,
see here Anne Haney plays Mrs.

1651
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,200
Chambers.
Chad Everett plays Mr. Cassidy.

1652
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:39,400
He was also in Mulholland.
Dr. James Lucrose is.

1653
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,240
The car salesman Lucrose is
another good character actor.

1654
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:44,640
He had a big.
Role in Rita Wilson.

1655
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,280
Store, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1656
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,480
Rita Wilson as Pat Hitchcock's
character.

1657
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,600
Lagros is one of those Lagros is
a good like Lagros is a good

1658
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,920
that guy I sent.
Nobody responded.

1659
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,120
Like on the slack.
I'm like what the fuck is Flea

1660
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,960
doing in this movie?
Gus Van Santa is a really big

1661
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,560
fan of Back to the Future too.
Jesus Christ, He might be.

1662
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:09,600
I don't know.
Maybe he is.

1663
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,000
Who knows?
All right, I got a couple notes

1664
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,400
on on the filming.
Not a lot, only just want to fly

1665
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,440
through it.
Most of it took place on the

1666
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,160
universal back lot and sound
stages.

1667
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,800
They update the look of the
Bates Motel in the house.

1668
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,400
They make the house look a
little more modern, not quite as

1669
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:30,120
dilapidated and like the the
motel itself when you look at

1670
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,800
the choices they make for like
how it's visualized like it kind

1671
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,920
of has like a retro chic vibe to
it.

1672
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,440
Like when you see like the new
signage and whatnot.

1673
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:45,720
The costume designer for this
movie Aruna Beatrix Aruna Pesnor

1674
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,120
she was not either not told or
didn't give a shit like depends

1675
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,400
on what story you hear that like
the.

1676
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:55,560
Second, one person.
I kind of like that in that like

1677
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,320
this does not take place in
1960.

1678
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:02,720
It takes place in 1998.
You would not know that from any

1679
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,040
of the wardrobe choices that are
made in this movie.

1680
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,560
So she was like, I want to give
this a more timeless look.

1681
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,160
And that's why not only the kind
of like cut and fabrics that are

1682
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,160
used, but there's a lot of
pastels that are used, a lot of

1683
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:21,720
pink, a lot of light green.
And I think from what I

1684
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,040
understand is like when they
first got the costumes back,

1685
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:29,000
like Van Sant was like, oh, by
the way, like it's not supposed

1686
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,160
to be set in 1960.
It's like set in 1998.

1687
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:36,160
And like, not so many words.
She's like, well, go shit in

1688
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:37,920
your hat.
Like these are the costumes.

1689
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:42,000
And he was like, OK, so.
Except the only person wearing a

1690
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,840
hat on this set was Bill Macy.
So.

1691
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,200
So I.
Mean they look like, honestly,

1692
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,960
the costumes look like they were
made out of, you know, curtain

1693
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:55,000
material from the 1970s to me.
The biggest sin of the costuming

1694
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:00,560
department is you cannot put
Norman Bates in a sexy tight

1695
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,720
turtleneck.
You just can't do it.

1696
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,520
You can't do it.
Vince was looking good now I was

1697
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,200
like wearing a.
Turtleneck.

1698
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:08,080
Yeah, they did.
Not that.

1699
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,480
Not that Norman.
OK, not that Norman isn't

1700
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:12,680
handsome and everything.
Of course he's handsome and

1701
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,280
everything.
No, you can't make him sexy like

1702
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,560
we do with this.
There's a very fitted turtleneck

1703
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,840
that he is wearing for a good
portion of the like second act

1704
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,400
of this movement.
And forget about like Anthony

1705
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:29,240
Perkins before Psycho is like he
was considered like a romantic

1706
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,240
leading man.
Like, yeah, like did you?

1707
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,280
Just hear me.
I didn't say he's not handsome,

1708
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:34,280
Mike.
I'd say he's not.

1709
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,520
Sexy.
I don't listen to anything,

1710
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,600
anyone.
Weird costuming choices once I I

1711
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,000
literally just said.
I get your point because he is

1712
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,680
like I.
Think Tab Hunter would disagree

1713
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,560
with the whole sexy thing, but
yeah, detail I suppose.

1714
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,520
Like Vince Vaughn never misses
Arms Day.

1715
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,960
It's like when you see him in
that, that turtleneck like his

1716
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,920
triceps are popping and it's.
Ripped.

1717
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:57,000
Yeah.
Yeah, he does.

1718
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,440
And well, I think that the whole
like when you put him in

1719
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:03,920
Mortenson on screen together,
like you're supposed to get like

1720
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,960
there's another thing Von says
is like the whole thing about

1721
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,400
Sam is like his whole thing is
like he can whip some ass in the

1722
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,880
first movie.
Like you see him, he's built

1723
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,640
like a linebacker compared to
Anthony Perkins.

1724
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,040
Yes.
And then you put.

1725
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,520
Vince Vaughn around like a rag
doll.

1726
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,000
You know, that's just not
happened.

1727
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,440
Viggo looks like a Honda.
He looks like a.

1728
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:28,160
Little Golf Club.
Yeah, so you see that here in

1729
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,560
this movie, and it's like, yeah,
Viggo Mortensen is going to get

1730
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,600
his ass beat if he tries to hold
Norman back here.

1731
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:39,400
So that's kind of funny as well.
So, all right, Danny Elfman is

1732
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,240
brought on board to rearrange
the classic Bernard Herman

1733
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,760
score.
We based the same score, maybe

1734
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,080
punched up a little bit.
I mean, not a lot to really, not

1735
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:52,160
a lot to really say it's.
Funny, they delay the start of

1736
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,480
the strings in the showers.
Yeah, that's, that's the one

1737
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,000
thing I noticed that's
different.

1738
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,480
Yeah, yeah, talking.
About yeah, they fuck that

1739
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:02,280
scene.
I mean, it's a, it's no, no

1740
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,120
rework job like the Reanimator
score.

1741
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,960
You know, if you're gonna, if
you're gonna, if you're gonna

1742
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,040
remix the Bernard Herman score,
come on, put some steps.

1743
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,880
That's what of it.
That's that's, I mean, every

1744
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:17,680
time I watch the Reanimator, I
mean that just I just laugh

1745
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,440
during the whole opening.
But then again, Danny Elfman

1746
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:23,840
kind of has been jockeying that
whole that string motif.

1747
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,920
Yeah, like that's kind of been
in a lot of right work actually.

1748
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:30,080
He loves that.
Yeah, Yeah.

1749
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,520
Last note, an uncredited Rick
Baker creates the Missus Bates

1750
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,640
dummy for the film.
Like it's Baker behind that.

1751
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,920
So it does look pretty cool.
But again, I don't like the way

1752
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,120
it's framed or shot, But like,
when you get the reveal, it

1753
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,920
looks good.
All right, Devon, we've said a

1754
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,520
lot.
Can you talk about the reception

1755
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:56,520
this movie got upon its release?
Released December 4th, 1998, it

1756
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:04,240
was received to say the least.
The box office brought in 37.2

1757
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,240
million against its $25 million
budget.

1758
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,320
Opened with 10 million in its
opening weekend. 2nd place

1759
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,120
behind A Bug's Life.
Love that that bug's Life still

1760
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:16,960
because that wasn't a Bug's
Life's first.

1761
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,160
Also a.
Remake.

1762
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,920
Also a remake.
That was a 7 Samurai, but you

1763
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,560
know, hey.
Bug's Life in its third weekend,

1764
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:25,120
too.
Yeah, that's.

1765
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,040
That's true.
That is insane to me.

1766
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,760
Over on Rotten Tomatoes, this
has a 40% on 77 critical

1767
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,360
reviews.
I went in a little bit deeper

1768
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:37,680
40.
Percent that liked.

1769
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,120
This I mean there's actually
there's a shocking amount of

1770
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,680
people that actually give it
some positive scores.

1771
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,680
I'm seeing some two point fives
out for I'm seeing a four out of

1772
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,000
five.
I mean, there's actually a

1773
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,800
shocking amount and it's a it's
a a good smattering the most

1774
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:57,760
recent ones 2023, but they did
archive a lot of ones from the

1775
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:02,160
time and over on letterbox.
This has a 2.3 average rating

1776
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:06,080
against 92,000 watches.
A little bit low on the watches.

1777
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,000
I think a lot of people just
have decided not to watch this

1778
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,480
movie.
Or not.

1779
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:13,920
Admit it, or.
Or not admit it.

1780
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,200
Or just not rate it, maybe
giving it zero stars.

1781
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,520
Some some notable reviews.
Wallace Blaine says the most

1782
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,320
hyped karaoke act in history.
Hyped.

1783
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:27,600
I wouldn't say would be the
word.

1784
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,080
But is this the most
controversial karaoke act?

1785
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,840
Maybe because that is kind of a
thing, You know, when you

1786
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:36,400
approach karaoke and you're
doing the exact arrangement, the

1787
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,200
exact lyrics, OK, what do you
do?

1788
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,920
You know, And like, there's
certain songs that you go, OK,

1789
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,120
if you're going to do that song,
you either have to knock it out

1790
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,880
of the park or you're going to
troll it.

1791
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,360
Which, again, is lending myself
to this theory.

1792
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,360
That man sent did this as a
troll job.

1793
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:56,000
But Roger Ebert said he gave
this 1.5 out of four stars.

1794
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,320
This movie is an invaluable
experiment in the theory of

1795
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,280
cinema because it demonstrates
that a shot by shot remake is

1796
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,680
pointless.
Genius apparently resides

1797
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,920
between or beneath the shots, or
in chemistry that cannot be

1798
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:11,560
timed or recounted.
There's a very funny because I

1799
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:16,280
like it when Roger Ebert is
caddy one note, he said the most

1800
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,480
dramatic difference between
Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho 1916

1801
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:22,640
Gus Van Sant's shot by shot
remake is the addition of a

1802
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,600
masturbation scene.
That's appropriate because this

1803
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,000
new Psycho evokes the real thing
in an attempt to recreate

1804
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:34,000
remembered passion.
God, you catty little bitch.

1805
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,920
Those are always my favorite SO.
I think that's a good line.

1806
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,760
That's a really good line.
That is a good line.

1807
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,000
Eber was the best, even when you
disagree.

1808
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,960
Miss Roger Eber.
I mean, OK, I agreed with Roger.

1809
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,680
But like, when you see someone
who's really a great writer,

1810
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,840
yeah, and you just got to go,
should I keep doing this?

1811
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:56,240
Because.
I mean, it was.

1812
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,800
It's Pauline Kale.
I feel the same way about.

1813
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,800
I disagree with Pauline Kale on
almost everything.

1814
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,440
Yeah, but she's right.
Yeah.

1815
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,680
Oh yeah.
Does anyone miss Siskel?

1816
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,080
And I'm not being caddy.
I don't mean that you never hear

1817
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:15,800
him like discussed in the same
way.

1818
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,960
Like I know that came out like a
complete bitch statement and I'm

1819
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,800
sorry but my.
View Caddy Bitch.

1820
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,600
Or has he?
Just been I think came across as

1821
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,480
kind of bland.
Unfortunately, I think he was.

1822
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,080
He and Ebert were great
together.

1823
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:34,040
Somebody had to be the straight
man, you know, and.

1824
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:37,400
On their own, Ebert was more
memorable.

1825
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,760
It's part.
Of it like Ebert had that second

1826
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,560
life like writing online like
roger.com that's.

1827
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:44,240
Probably the big part out.
Of that.

1828
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:49,720
Yeah, yeah.
Joe Blow gave the six out of 10,

1829
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,800
saying the actor who stood out
from the pack was definitely the

1830
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,920
rising star of the year, Vince
Vaughn, who took Anthony Perkins

1831
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,120
super original performance and
added his own macabre touch of

1832
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,480
surrealism.
That's one way to put.

1833
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:05,840
It is that what you.
Call it is the surrealism in the

1834
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:10,480
room with us.
Why don't Joe blow me?

1835
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,560
Because that is just.
Not yeah.

1836
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,360
You keep on using that word.
I don't think it needs and.

1837
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:19,240
That was and that was 1999, too.
This is like early Joe Blow, the

1838
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:23,240
original Blow, right?
And then I found this one kind

1839
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,240
of interesting.
Jonathan Romney from the

1840
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:29,400
Guardian says somehow Van Sant
has managed to spend a big

1841
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,840
budget studio project into a
piece of conceptual art, a

1842
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,920
provocative inquiry into the
nature of cinematic originality.

1843
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:41,160
It's not the full on queer
psycho Van Sand fans predicted,

1844
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,840
but it is an extraordinary drag
act.

1845
01:39:44,440 --> 01:39:46,760
OK.
That was a positive review, by

1846
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,080
the way.
Yeah, I think that was like a

1847
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,320
four out of five.
Interesting.

1848
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:51,560
Interesting.
Yeah.

1849
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,520
OK, so.
There are.

1850
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,320
People that.
There.

1851
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,200
Are there are big defenders of
this movie?

1852
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,080
I saw a couple, I saw a couple
Rotten Tomatoes certified

1853
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:07,720
critics say that this was better
than the original Psycho, that

1854
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:11,160
there are a couple of claims in
there that they put that on

1855
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:17,560
their Rotten Tomatoes record.
This is why I no longer really

1856
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,800
subscribe to the sight and sound
pole.

1857
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,760
Yeah, it feels like they just.
He's saying stuff.

1858
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,440
You know, I mean, it's just
people saying stuff.

1859
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,840
I mean, I know, I know.
I mean, Rotten Tomatoes for me

1860
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:36,440
even kind of lost all
credibility last week when you

1861
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:37,760
have.
It took that long.

1862
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:45,040
Melania come out and you have a
99% audience score against a 6%

1863
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:46,720
critic score.
This is where I'm going to

1864
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,000
defend that.
I'm sorry.

1865
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,840
This is where I'm going to
disagree because OK, go for it.

1866
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,080
I think both are accurate
because I think you're right,

1867
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:58,600
because the audience score like
we are not the audience for

1868
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:00,560
Melania.
You make a good point.

1869
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,880
That has like a built in baked
just like a lot of like those

1870
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,920
like very Christian movies that
come out and like come out of

1871
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,560
nowhere and do like big, you
know what I mean?

1872
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,440
Right.
Like, yeah, I know.

1873
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,680
Like.
We're not going to go see those

1874
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,600
movies, but they have like that
baked in audience and it's like

1875
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,800
it's like it's red meat for that
fan base.

1876
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,640
So of.
Course.

1877
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,480
And even if they hated it, the.
They're going.

1878
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:29,200
To say psychological buy in they
have for this administration is

1879
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,040
such that like they could
literally walk out of the

1880
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,560
theater, have someone in the
administration like kick them in

1881
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,720
the nuts as hard as possible and
they would say like 2 thumbs up.

1882
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,320
Would watch this again.
I just want to move the

1883
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,080
libtards.
So that's why Like it's not

1884
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,560
inaccurate reporting.
It's just like we are living in

1885
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,760
a stupid timeline.
Yeah.

1886
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,160
Melania for the Patreon.
What do we think?

1887
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,720
No, I would never, ever, ever
submit.

1888
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,200
No, there's not enough money.
Unless.

1889
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,880
No, I mean, I have I have that
pass.

1890
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:06,440
I mean, I can see in, you know,
as many movies as I want at

1891
01:42:06,440 --> 01:42:10,840
Regal and I'm like essentially
for free, you know, right.

1892
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,560
I no, not going to do.
I can't.

1893
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,320
I can't.
No can I so?

1894
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,600
I was whenever I was going
through like the the letterbox

1895
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,440
reviews.
So I kind of see like what a

1896
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:23,160
consensus people kind of had for
it.

1897
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:27,840
I find it fascinating of how
many like half a star reviews

1898
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:31,120
there are in one star reviews.
And so my question to you guys

1899
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,560
is, can you truly give this
movie that low of a score when

1900
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,080
it does have the exact same
script, the exact same?

1901
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:40,880
I mean, I know everybody's
rating system is differently,

1902
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,600
but like for me personally, I
like I can't give something like

1903
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,120
half or one star if like the
craft is like still solid and

1904
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:49,680
like things and not that the.
Craft is like.

1905
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,840
Great on this, but I like I gave
it a 2 because I was like like

1906
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,360
it's it didn't like offend me to
where I wanted to get like

1907
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:01,280
that's what I give like 1 and 1
1/2, you know, but I was like, I

1908
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:02,840
feel like half and one star
review.

1909
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,760
It's like can you truly give it
that low when it is still so

1910
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:06,680
similar?
But.

1911
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:11,000
Obviously I gave it a two star
review for that reason and I do

1912
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:16,080
think like outside of the two
leads, there's some interesting

1913
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:20,320
choices that are made.
Excuse me, but I can also see

1914
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,920
why folks would give it like 1/2
star or one star.

1915
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:26,440
Like I can't fault them.
For that, I give it one because

1916
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:30,560
it actually pisses me off, yeah.
You know, and it's letterbox.

1917
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,960
So the end of the day, like,
letterbox is not like the

1918
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:37,040
critical paper of record.
It's like, how do we feel about

1919
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,720
a movie when we watch it?
Yeah, yeah.

1920
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:43,080
So and I understand those.
Audience score.

1921
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,600
And you know, The thing is I, I
looked at all your scores

1922
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,400
because I follow you all on
Letterbox and you all gave it 2

1923
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,840
I think.
And I was like, that makes sense

1924
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,000
to me.
It does not.

1925
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:56,840
You know, it's because you're
just For me, a two star movie in

1926
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:00,680
some ways is worse than lower
because it's nothing.

1927
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:02,680
It's just like.
Pretty much it.

1928
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,600
Yeah, you know where.
You know, I kind of wish this

1929
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,120
movie was nothing for me, but I
don't know what about it pisses

1930
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:13,000
me off so much, but it really.
I'm going to name check another

1931
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,040
director here in a minute, but
we were talking off air about

1932
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,760
Body Double which I gave 2 1/2
stars.

1933
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:23,240
But I will watch Body Double
again and again and really enjoy

1934
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:27,840
it even though like Craig Wassan
is the very definition of like

1935
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,400
Guy does not have the juice.
One of the best movies with one

1936
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,480
of the worst protagonists
likely.

1937
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,000
He.
Literally has no juice but a

1938
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:37,680
fun.
It's such a fun movie though.

1939
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:38,400
It's such a.
Great movie.

1940
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,760
Maybe that's the point.
Maybe like that's maybe De Palma

1941
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:45,560
knew that and that's the point.
But Craig Wassan great second

1942
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,720
career is like a narrator of
audiobooks so.

1943
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:53,680
Well, good for him.
So I do not understand the whole

1944
01:44:54,440 --> 01:44:58,400
casting him in lead roles phase
that we went through in the 80s.

1945
01:44:58,440 --> 01:45:00,560
I don't get it.
But you know, hey, cocaine,

1946
01:45:01,480 --> 01:45:02,440
there we go.
There we go.

1947
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:04,640
Everything's cocaine.
Everything is cocaine.

1948
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,240
When it comes to the 80s, Brian,
yes.

1949
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,080
All right, Yeah.
Let's talk about this movie like

1950
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,280
we have been now for almost 2
hours here.

1951
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:13,280
Has it slipped?
In I cannot.

1952
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:15,960
Believe we've talked about this
movie for two hours.

1953
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,240
I feel like a long I mean.
Again, I figured this would be

1954
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,840
the episode because I had we
have about maybe 6 main

1955
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,360
differences to discuss, but.
Brian, I've been told like today

1956
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,080
is house cleaning day and I've
been up since 7:00.

1957
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,600
Let's make this as long.
As no, no, no, no, I've been up

1958
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:35,240
since 7:00 AM and it was 11:00
and we started, I cleaned the

1959
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:37,600
kitchen, I broke down all the
recycling.

1960
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:41,280
I've been to the dump like had a
big boy breakfast like I was

1961
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,840
ready for today.
Hey, we can we can stretch this

1962
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,680
out.
I have to go move a refrigerator

1963
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,520
after we finish this episode.
So we got over to watch this bad

1964
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,000
boy all day.
I watched half of Megan this

1965
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,080
morning.
So can we can we start with can?

1966
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,200
We start with the second-half.
I watched the 1st.

1967
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,160
Half yes, I have one thing I
want to start with and then

1968
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:01,720
Devon can go to wherever you
want.

1969
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,720
Why remake Psycho when Dress to
Kill exists?

1970
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:09,000
I mean, yeah, Dress to kill is.
And raising cane.

1971
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:13,040
I haven't seen that one yet, but
but dress to kill yeah, pretty

1972
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:18,280
much is the the sleazier, you
know 20 years later updated

1973
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:19,800
version of.
Psycho.

1974
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,000
Yeah, totally.
I mean, it's not my favorite

1975
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,080
DePaul movie by any means.
It is a little bit on the

1976
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:30,680
shaggier side.
And they also don't fix some of

1977
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,120
the, you know, like kind of
representation.

1978
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:35,400
No, they lead into.
It harder.

1979
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,480
Yeah, they make it worse, I
mean.

1980
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,720
Yeah, they make it much worse.
But but very true though,

1981
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,040
because at least, you know,
again, like you said, like

1982
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,680
because that movie is like, I
mean, De Palma has been accused

1983
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:50,240
many of times of jocking off of
Hitchcock and that is maybe the

1984
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,120
most egregious 1 is dressed to
Kill.

1985
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,800
But like, again, at least in
that that is a Brian De Palma

1986
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,480
movie.
It has, you know, his signature

1987
01:46:59,480 --> 01:47:02,680
things and he, you know, very
much takes that framework and

1988
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:06,600
makes his own thing, while,
again, Van Sant isn't interested

1989
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:11,240
in doing that with this film.
De Palma could like visually

1990
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,200
tell a story.
He didn't need a great script.

1991
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:18,240
He could like tell a story.
You could like, I've never do

1992
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,600
this, but I would with like De
Palmas work of this era where

1993
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,840
you can put on just the
soundtrack and the soundtrack

1994
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,680
and Dress to Kill is gorgeous.
It's so good.

1995
01:47:28,440 --> 01:47:31,520
And I could just like listen to
the scored version of it and you

1996
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,160
can follow it along.
And I love that it's like

1997
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:39,080
updated for a sleazier time.
The sex is is more explicit.

1998
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:42,560
It's much more violent.
It does lean into those

1999
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,840
problematic areas for worse.
I mean, we'll be honest, like

2000
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:49,960
for worse.
Nancy Allan is a snack in that

2001
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:51,280
movie.
Like good Lord.

2002
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,800
And then you can tell that
Diploma is in love with Nancy

2003
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,000
Allen because he always films
her so fucking beautiful.

2004
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,880
Yeah, but they were married.
I mean, they were married for a

2005
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,200
few years.
Exactly right.

2006
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:03,840
He was in love with her.
Absolutely.

2007
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:09,600
She is maybe the only woman that
could knock like Margot Kidder

2008
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,640
Kidder off my like 70s like
super babe pedestal.

2009
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,720
It's like Nancy Allen at that
point.

2010
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:17,760
You.
Oh, you mentioned Olivia Hussey

2011
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:18,600
last week.
Oh.

2012
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,840
Yeah.
But there's something about

2013
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:25,280
Margot Kidder and Nancy Allen.
Where you all right?

2014
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,000
I'm going to get in so much
trouble here.

2015
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,920
Spiking of the orgy.
Tier, I get the feeling they,

2016
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:31,680
you, they would, I don't
understand.

2017
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,160
They would let you like they
would make you do things that

2018
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,080
Olivia Hussey would never even
allow for.

2019
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:42,200
And.
Not allowed to look them in the

2020
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:43,720
eye.
Maybe you just have to wear a

2021
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:45,240
mask the whole time you're with
them.

2022
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,480
I don't know.
You know, maybe they'd call you

2023
01:48:47,480 --> 01:48:48,680
a good boy.
I don't know.

2024
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,720
Like we're going.
Do we keep this or do we edit.

2025
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,720
I think we keep.
Oh, you.

2026
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,480
Guys are learning something.
This.

2027
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:58,160
This is the bumper at the end,
obviously this and the French

2028
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:01,240
dressing stadium.
This between this and the Eyes

2029
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:05,240
Wide Shut episode you guys are
learning some things about.

2030
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,800
You know more about Mike than
anyone ever wanted to know.

2031
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,000
Wanted to know.
Yeah.

2032
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,440
Anyway, moving on.
Devon, where did you want to go?

2033
01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:14,240
Now that I've.
I'm blushing again.

2034
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:17,240
All right, moving on.
I was going to talk about the

2035
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:22,120
look of this film because I
think it is one of the most

2036
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,920
egregious areas because again,
like, that's like if you're

2037
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:27,680
going to do the same, you're
going to do the same script,

2038
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:29,120
you're going to do the same
blocking and stuff.

2039
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:32,760
Like this is like where you do
probably have the most freedom

2040
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,720
aside from the performances to
like, you know, do something

2041
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:39,640
interesting separate it.
I mean, I guess it's OK that

2042
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,760
because he did want to do it in
black and white.

2043
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,120
He didn't really want to do the
color like, but it was like so

2044
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:45,600
funny.
Even the credits just felt

2045
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,880
wrong.
Whenever this movie started,

2046
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,880
like just from the get go, I was
like, these credits even just

2047
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:55,360
feel funky and like awkward with
the color like kind of coming in

2048
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,200
and the different names very
that that that kind of messed

2049
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:01,000
with my mind a little bit.
But but the look of this is just

2050
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:06,040
like it's so flat.
It's boring, it's overexposed.

2051
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:09,520
There's no there's no depth or
anything there.

2052
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,920
Like it just like it's a kind of
an eyesore of a movie like which

2053
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,760
is, you know, usually Van Samp
movies, they kind of have like

2054
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,160
this like, you know, realness
tactile, but it's like still

2055
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,360
kind of soft in a way.
It's like usually like on the

2056
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,560
way they look in this movie,
just like it looks so harsh.

2057
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:30,600
It's this movie's just a brick.
The color grading is just

2058
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,760
nothingness and the most like
and the scene where it's the

2059
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,080
worst is like the shower scene
because like since there's no

2060
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,680
shadows to hide behind.
It looks so.

2061
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:44,680
Weird and like, you know, so
like you're you're cutting out

2062
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:48,440
certain tension moments as well
on top of just looking bad

2063
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:50,960
because you don't have that
depth to play with.

2064
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,000
So like I feel like the the look
of this feel movie is just like

2065
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,880
like like I mean, I don't know
if you're gonna do it sha for

2066
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,240
sha same script.
Like let's do the infrared

2067
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,400
version of psycho.
I don't know, get weird, you

2068
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,080
know?
Yeah, night vision psycho.

2069
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,560
Psycho, but starring all small
children in kindergarten.

2070
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,280
Yeah, that would actually.
Sounds like something Werner

2071
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,640
Herzog would, yeah.
I was gonna say, didn't John

2072
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,120
Waters do that already?
Did he?

2073
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:19,240
We make one of his movies with a
bunch of kids.

2074
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:21,360
I'm pretty sure he did that.
Pink flamingos, actually.

2075
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:23,120
Amazing.
Amazing.

2076
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:25,320
Yeah, You mentioned the the
bathroom.

2077
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:29,960
Like when, when Vaughn flips the
light on to the bathroom, like

2078
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:33,160
watching, like, my eyes hurt.
I was so harsh.

2079
01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:35,640
And I'm like just popping right
at you there.

2080
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:39,720
It it is not and appealing.
The other thing that I want to

2081
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:43,840
put to bed the lie that like
this is a shot for shot remake

2082
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:47,440
because it's not like the first
scene of the movie is blocked

2083
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:50,360
differently.
Like it's a line for line

2084
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,840
remake.
And there are a couple changes,

2085
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:57,960
like they add a line that was
cut in 1960 for fear of sensors.

2086
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,520
They update how much Marion
steals.

2087
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,120
There's a couple lines here or
there.

2088
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:05,880
They do cut some of the more
egregious lines at the end of

2089
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:09,440
the movie, and I think that's in
part why Forrester works better

2090
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:12,040
as well.
But like the opening scene is

2091
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,960
like Hash and Vigo lying in bed.
And I would say where this film

2092
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,080
goes wrong is when it is a
one-on-one dialogue scene

2093
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:23,720
between like the scene with like
Hash and Vigo at the beginning

2094
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,640
of the movie is awful.
Like you don't they try to rush

2095
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,920
through it so quickly that I
don't get that sense of like who

2096
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:36,520
these people are.
The scene with Norman and Marion

2097
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,960
in the parlor, which to me is
low key the best scene in the

2098
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:43,240
first Psycho.
Yeah, it's so rushed through.

2099
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:44,200
It's.
Awful.

2100
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:45,840
It's so bad.
It's so weird.

2101
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:51,600
It's it's like, how can I mean?
And OK, you're right, there are

2102
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:53,880
different.
Obviously the very first shot is

2103
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:55,880
different.
Yeah, because it is the

2104
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,880
helicopter shot that Hitchcock
wanted to do initially but

2105
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:01,080
couldn't do because it was too
expensive.

2106
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:04,760
So, so right when I'm seeing
this, at first it was, oh, cool,

2107
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:06,720
they're doing the things that
they couldn't do.

2108
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:12,040
And then you get to that first
scene and it's just like that.

2109
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:15,520
You know, you're right.
It's just, it's just pat

2110
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,320
dialogue.
It's no, there's no nothing

2111
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:19,800
behind it.
It's like they don't even know

2112
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,440
what they're saying.
It feels like.

2113
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:26,240
And the other and I, I, I'm with
you on the, there are a lot of

2114
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:31,840
things where they really did
watch from the DVD, the original

2115
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,800
movie.
And they set up the shot

2116
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,920
precisely like that.
And, you know, that's most of

2117
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,440
the movie.
But the difference is, you know,

2118
01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:43,640
like there's a sudden insert
shot of the fly on the sandwich.

2119
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:46,200
We get it.
And that's just like hitting me

2120
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,640
over the head with it.
And then, you know, like another

2121
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:54,200
one that stands out to me is
Marion in the car where she's

2122
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:55,720
driving.
Then all of a sudden, you know,

2123
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:59,360
in, in the in the written, you
know, Janet Lee kind of has a

2124
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,320
smirk where you're kind of like,
is she smiling or is she not?

2125
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,760
It's a, it's really kind of
ambiguous here.

2126
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:08,080
She just does a big old grin.
It's like, it's just like it's

2127
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:11,440
hitting you over the head with
the subtleties of the original

2128
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,640
where the original was subtle.
And that was one of the things

2129
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:19,360
that really annoyed me about it.
You know, that go ahead.

2130
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:23,200
Because the, because the, the
dialogue itself, like doesn't

2131
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:26,040
like stick out as like out of
place or anything.

2132
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,560
Again, it's just it's like in
the way that they are performed.

2133
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:32,960
I think Anne Haisha's worst
scene is the scene where she

2134
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,000
goes to get the car.
Yeah.

2135
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,560
You know, like that's, that's
such a fun scene in the original

2136
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,360
because Gently is, you know,
she's so charismatic and she's,

2137
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,800
you know, like playing it a
certain type of way.

2138
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,680
And this one, like, it's just
like, I don't, I don't know if

2139
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,480
Anne Hayes knows what Marian is
doing in that scene.

2140
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:52,280
Yeah.
And like you said, that's where

2141
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:55,080
it comes through the most, where
she's just like, I was playing

2142
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,560
it aloof.
And it's like, that doesn't even

2143
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,480
sound like that's a choice.
That's just like kind of being

2144
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:02,600
lazy more than anything.
But that scene is just like,

2145
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:07,200
it's so clunky and awkward and
it's just like, yeah, it just

2146
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:10,000
doesn't work.
And hey, she makes a conscious

2147
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,360
choice in this movie.
Like every opportunity she kind

2148
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:15,440
of has to roll her eyes at
something.

2149
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,880
Like you see her do that, Like
she's constantly eye rolling

2150
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,480
through this, like she's above
it.

2151
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:24,400
And when you watch the original
Psycho, like the way Janet Lee

2152
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:29,120
plays Marion is, you get the
feeling like from the moment she

2153
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:33,520
decides to take the money, she
is weighing the moral weight of

2154
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:36,200
that.
Like it has a real impact on

2155
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:37,920
her.
Like, to your point, Brian, like

2156
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:42,200
that smirk she gives is maybe
the one time in the whole

2157
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:46,000
stretch of movie she's in where
she's pleased with herself.

2158
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,600
The rest of the time, she's
wrestling with what she did

2159
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:53,880
morally, and she's in constant
fear of getting caught.

2160
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,240
And you also understand why she
did it.

2161
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:01,520
Like, you get the sense between
Marian and Sam that, like, OK,

2162
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,360
the only thing that is keeping
us apart from one another is

2163
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:09,240
this idea that, like, you have a
lot of debt, and until you pay

2164
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,160
this debt, like, you're never
going to be able to move

2165
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:14,560
forward.
I am going to free us of that.

2166
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:17,640
It's a bad choice, but it's one
that she makes.

2167
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,280
You don't get that sense with
the Marian and the Sam here.

2168
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:25,080
We said, like the way Viggle
Mortensen is playing Sam is

2169
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:30,320
like, kind of like Brad Pitt's
character in Thelma and Louise,

2170
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:33,880
like.
Oh yeah, good call.

2171
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:39,440
So and you never you kind of get
the feeling that Anne Hesch's

2172
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,560
Marian steals the money for
funsies.

2173
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:47,040
Like wouldn't it be kind of a
gas if I took this 400,000 and

2174
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,720
committed grand larceny?
Like that would make for a

2175
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,080
pretty cool story about what I
did this weekend.

2176
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:56,640
And like when she gets pulled
over, like when remar doesn't

2177
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,680
pull her over but approaches the
car, she's not afraid.

2178
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,680
She's annoyed.
And it's like such a weird,

2179
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:04,800
weird choice, any choice she can
make.

2180
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:08,480
I I honestly think she's worse
than Vince Vaughn and she's a

2181
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:10,520
very talent.
That's what's so strange is

2182
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:15,360
like, she was so talented for a
time, and I do put that partly

2183
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,080
on Van Sant as well, Like you
have to know what you're going

2184
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:22,520
for and maybe rein that in.
Well, so I think the most

2185
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:25,520
controversial thing maybe I'll
say about this episode is for

2186
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,400
the original Psycho, I think the
script is kind of average.

2187
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:32,720
It's just fine.
I think it is a just fine script

2188
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,760
that is then elevated to a level
by Hitchcock, not only by his

2189
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:40,080
technical prowess, but what he
is getting from these performers

2190
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:43,200
and everything.
And so I'm not sure whose note

2191
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:46,760
it was, but somebody made a note
about controlling tone.

2192
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:50,320
And like, that is such an
important job for a director.

2193
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:54,600
And I think that's where you see
Van Sant's deficiencies the

2194
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,200
most.
Well, Devon, I think he's hit it

2195
01:57:57,200 --> 01:58:00,240
on the head because, I mean, we
were struggling to figure out

2196
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:03,760
what the hell else did Joseph
Stefano ever do, right?

2197
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:08,480
You know, in previous episodes.
And we're sort of like the only

2198
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:12,480
thing of note I mean, besides
being one of the creators of the

2199
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:17,720
outer limits is psycho.
I mean, cuz psycho 4 stinks.

2200
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,840
I mean we we from it's bland as
hell.

2201
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,560
You read that you know all that
crazy silly psycho battle and

2202
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,440
that how do.
We go over 2 hours of that,

2203
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:29,400
That's the question.
I don't know.

2204
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,240
I don't know.
But you know, I think we just

2205
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:35,800
kind of are finding ourselves
going, you know, Joseph Stefano,

2206
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:39,720
I think really, you know, the
script is not a brilliant

2207
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,520
script.
He would tell you you have you

2208
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:45,320
have.
Of course he would he and again

2209
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:46,760
speaking I'll of the dead, I
guess.

2210
01:58:46,760 --> 01:58:50,880
But I think he was kind of under
a delusion that because he

2211
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:54,640
worked with Hitchcock when he
was very young that he was, you

2212
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:56,800
know, a master of the craft.
Right?

2213
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,960
And that's not what Hitchcock
hired his screenwriters, Yeah.

2214
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:03,520
Start.
In Stefano's script, like it is

2215
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:07,800
almost beat for beat blocks
novel, like the genius of Psycho

2216
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:12,720
the movie is Hitchcock saying
what if instead of having Norman

2217
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:16,800
as like a middle-aged balding
alcoholic, like I think when we

2218
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:20,720
did Psycho, I'm like you would
have gotten Martin Balsam would

2219
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:25,000
have played Norman Bates in the
Robert Block version of Psycho.

2220
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:27,240
That's more of what he would
have looked like.

2221
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:30,320
What if we got someone really
handsome and made him

2222
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:33,800
sympathetic instead of like an
abusive alcoholic?

2223
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,440
And that is the genius of
Psycho.

2224
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:40,200
And then Stefano just adapts the
dialogue from there, like right

2225
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:44,240
down to the last line.
And then Devon, you're 100%

2226
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:46,200
right.
Like it's Hitchcock's genius.

2227
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:51,120
The thing that he's able to do
on a really tiny $1,000,000

2228
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:56,720
budget with like ATV crew and a
time when like TV was new and

2229
01:59:56,720 --> 02:00:00,440
there was no prestige TV.
It was like quick and dirty was

2230
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:03,160
the name of the game.
That's why like Psycho was like

2231
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:07,880
a much more prestigious picture
that's revered in the long run.

2232
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:15,360
Told you all, background
episode.

2233
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:19,440
In my thinking, this is any
remake is going to invite

2234
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:22,960
comparison, but I think the
unfortunate thing that doing a

2235
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:27,000
remake this way does is it
invites a lot of unwelcome

2236
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:30,120
comparison.
When I was a teacher, I worked

2237
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:32,320
with the theatre program at the
high school that I taught at,

2238
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:34,520
and I was the assistant theatre
director because it was someone

2239
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:36,560
already there when I got there.
I love her to death.

2240
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:39,280
She's an amazing woman, did a
lot of great theatre, but she

2241
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:43,120
always wanted to do shows that
were better movies than they

2242
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:47,240
were stage shows like My Fair
Lady or Wizard of Oz.

2243
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:50,960
And my thought was always and
then and then would want to like

2244
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:53,800
direct it just like the movie.
And I was like, that's pointless

2245
02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:57,200
because if people wanted to
watch the movie, they would just

2246
02:00:57,200 --> 02:01:01,160
stay home and watch the movie.
And that's kind of how I feel

2247
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:04,640
about making a remake like this
is this is very much the We Have

2248
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:09,200
Psycho at Home kind of remake
where it's everything just kind

2249
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:11,240
of does it.
It invites, again, a lot of

2250
02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:15,160
unwelcome comparisons with the
original, vastly superior

2251
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:19,080
original film.
So I don't know in a way that a

2252
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:23,120
lot of other remakes don't
invite that kind of comparison

2253
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:26,600
because you're not trying to do
it exactly the same way with

2254
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,800
most remakes.
You want to put your spin on it.

2255
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:30,800
You want to do something a
little different with this.

2256
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:34,360
That's the antithesis of what
Van Zandt is trying to do.

2257
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:35,800
And again, it's it's kind of
bizarre.

2258
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,480
It's kind of paradoxical.
But in doing that, you're pretty

2259
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:41,040
much just saying, hey, look, I
just made a shittier version of

2260
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:43,680
that thing you like.
Well, and it's, and it's an odd

2261
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,920
thing that this was again a a
theatrical thing.

2262
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,840
This was a like a whole, a wide
release.

2263
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:52,800
Like again, yes, why do like,
what are you doing?

2264
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,520
What are you providing to the
audience by this experiment?

2265
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,240
If you want to do this
experiment for yourself, by all

2266
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:01,240
means or whatever, Like, hey, I
lived in LA for seven years.

2267
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:04,520
I've seen many of shows where it
is just some black box thing

2268
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:08,200
that somebody did a riff on.
Somebody did Bram Stoker's

2269
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:12,320
Dracula, the Francis Ford
Coppola version, but the only

2270
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:17,480
difference is his Dracula is
also Andrew Dice Clay, so that

2271
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:19,440
that's literally the only
difference.

2272
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:22,720
That he Hickory dickory.
Got and it's actually it's it's

2273
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:26,880
called a you know, draft is the
name of that one really fun.

2274
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,680
So like again, like, you know,
there's these experiments have

2275
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:31,520
their places.
But again, like what were you

2276
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:34,800
sure providing to an audience
that is paying money to go see

2277
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,840
it this in theaters to go do and
that now you expect them to buy

2278
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:42,120
this on Blu-ray for what you
know like?

2279
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,440
Yeah.
You know, so that's that's.

2280
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,360
The the thing.
OK, biggest ever evidence of

2281
02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:50,880
this being a troll job, which I
think this is talked about often

2282
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,800
with this you.
We're taking iconic scenes,

2283
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:56,080
We're okay, let's shake it up a
little bit.

2284
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:58,520
What do we need to do
differently in this scene?

2285
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:02,440
I got it.
Norman needs to jerk it while

2286
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:04,520
he's watching Mary and through
the wall.

2287
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:09,520
And but the crazy thing is that
one ridiculous decision does

2288
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:12,960
change everything because that
is you instantly lose everything

2289
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:15,360
for Norman in that sense.
And you're like, Oh, yeah, he

2290
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:18,120
totally is a creeper.
And you watch this movie

2291
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:21,240
completely differently.
But it's also it feels like it's

2292
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,760
him.
That's Van Samp being silly.

2293
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:26,080
Like, Oh my God, what if we did
this scene?

2294
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,400
He's jerking off.
What if like it feels can?

2295
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:30,840
You imagine?
Oh my God.

2296
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:34,880
And Ebert, as I, as I recall,
pointed that out that that kind

2297
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:38,720
of negates the psychology of
Norman Bates because the whole

2298
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:43,720
point of his psychosis is he's
repressed that he has no

2299
02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:47,360
release.
As soon as he releases, it's

2300
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:48,680
like, I'm good.
Yeah.

2301
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:52,520
You know, And that's the that's
one of the big problems with it.

2302
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:55,800
And then, you know, again,
Vaughn just having that

2303
02:03:56,760 --> 02:04:00,080
underlying confidence that he
can't seem to, you know, shut

2304
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:03,080
down I think is a problem for
Norman.

2305
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:06,120
You know, it just doesn't make a
lot of sense.

2306
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:09,960
And then for me, some of the
weird, you know, changes are

2307
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,120
like, OK, in the shower scene.
Can we talk about the shower

2308
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:15,400
scenes?
Because there's there's some

2309
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,000
things.
Like that up so.

2310
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:20,840
There's there's some things that
I was like, OK, when if we're

2311
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:24,800
going to do this, let's put in
that shot that Stefano was so

2312
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,640
sad to lose.
The overhead shot where you can,

2313
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,480
you know, see her dead body lay
on the floor like.

2314
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:32,680
Stumbling like she stumbles
down, yeah.

2315
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:35,520
Yeah, fine.
But you know, when you see the

2316
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:38,240
stab wounds in her back, but
they look so bad because they're

2317
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:43,080
like they're digitally inserted
and they look and in 1998 that

2318
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:46,880
doesn't look great.
And the blood is so fucking red

2319
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:53,560
and they delay the, the start of
the, of the, the music to which

2320
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:57,280
cuts the jump scare.
And you know, they do this weird

2321
02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:00,600
iris thing with her eye.
They spin around.

2322
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:04,480
Hey look, we can spin it around
like 20 times before we.

2323
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:07,920
Get out now they insert.
Random shots of a storm.

2324
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:11,320
As the storm.
And then and like I was saying,

2325
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,400
like, since they don't have,
like, the shadows to hide behind

2326
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:18,680
when you see Norman to obscure
his face, it's not makeup.

2327
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:20,520
I'm pretty sure it looks like
digital.

2328
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:21,560
Yeah.
Darkening.

2329
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:23,960
Yeah.
Like like it looks like like

2330
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:26,680
it's not blackface because it's
not Norman being black, but it

2331
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:28,040
is.
Literally that's what it looks

2332
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:31,800
like though with this like
digital covering, it looks goofy

2333
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,000
as hell.
What's so funny?

2334
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,040
Across this parody, that's not
funny to me.

2335
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,920
It's like because there's a
great parody, sorry Mike,

2336
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:44,000
there's a great parody in Mel
Brooks did of the shower scene.

2337
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:45,920
Here's your paper here's your
paper.

2338
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:49,800
Here's your that strikes me as
parody that works because I

2339
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:51,920
mean, how many times have we
seen parodies of the shower

2340
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:53,920
scene?
This is like the not funny

2341
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,160
version of that.
Sorry to.

2342
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:59,600
Mention in in in the seven, I
think the 60s or 70s when Van

2343
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:05,040
Sant was his film student.
He does a parody commercial of

2344
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:07,600
the shower scene, which is
really good.

2345
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,480
Like it's actually like really
well done.

2346
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:12,200
Like Psycho.
She is like the the wife is in

2347
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:16,040
the shower and she's like honey,
like I'm out of my shampoo and

2348
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:17,440
he's like, well, I got a new one
for you.

2349
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:21,800
And then it becomes the shower
scene from Psycho and it pans

2350
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:23,760
out and it's like Psycho.
Shampoo.

2351
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:25,120
Shampoo.
That's.

2352
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,840
Kind of weird, like did we just
watch a man murder his wife to

2353
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:30,160
sell a hair?
Product.

2354
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:33,720
Which is OK, but it's really
well done.

2355
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:37,960
What's also on the commentary
when the shower scene starts,

2356
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:41,720
Hesh goes like and it's like
shot for shot the same.

2357
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:45,360
And Gus Van Sant immediately
with like this like weariness in

2358
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:48,080
his voice that can only you have
to hear it.

2359
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:50,760
He's like, no, it's not.
She's like it's not.

2360
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:53,920
He's like, no, we he's like we
couldn't figure it out.

2361
02:06:54,160 --> 02:06:57,760
And that's the reason why this
is not shot for shot is like Ben

2362
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:01,760
Sant says, like we could not
figure out the blocking on some

2363
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,240
of the shots.
Like we don't know how Hitchcock

2364
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:05,920
did it.
And it's like, yes, because

2365
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,480
Hitchcock is a fucking genius,
Gus.

2366
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:13,040
Like, I mean, he's, there's a
reason why he's so fondly

2367
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:15,800
remembered.
And some of the shots last

2368
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:16,840
longer.
Yeah.

2369
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,200
It's weird.
I mean, there's this weird.

2370
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:23,040
The timing feels funny.
And it doesn't have that quick

2371
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:28,320
cut, cut, cut where you're like,
you're off balance as soon as it

2372
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,080
starts.
To me, the most egregious thing

2373
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:33,560
is when one of the most
frightening parts of that whole

2374
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:36,720
scene of the original is like
the way the curtain, the

2375
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:42,440
opaqueness of the curtain when
the door opens and you see like

2376
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:46,600
Norman come in and it's dead
silent like the score had.

2377
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:50,200
Like to me, that is the scariest
part of that scene because like

2378
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:55,240
the way it's staged is like it's
a static shot approaching.

2379
02:07:55,480 --> 02:08:00,000
And here like when that when
Norman comes in, they

2380
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,640
immediately start panning the
camera over to where like his

2381
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,160
block is going to be.
And that to me like puts all the

2382
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:11,080
focus there where it's not
necessarily there in the I would

2383
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:15,680
compare it to the shot in
Hereditary when she is like on

2384
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:18,240
the wall plastered and you don't
know.

2385
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:21,920
I mean it's much more like
subtle version of it.

2386
02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:26,080
And then when you finally like
notice her like in the corner of

2387
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:27,920
of Peters bedroom, you're like,
oh fuck.

2388
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:32,040
Like that to me is the opening.
That's the shower scene shot is

2389
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:35,800
like when he first comes in.
They're not necessarily drawing

2390
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:38,480
your attention to it.
You just naturally notice it and

2391
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,760
you're like, shit here.
It's like, no, we're gonna make

2392
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:45,080
you drawn to this.
And that is that change alone is

2393
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:49,680
like you just ruined the scene.
Again, if you're gonna if this

2394
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:53,040
is the experiment, again, this
is just like an exercise and

2395
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:57,480
like, hey, look how important
good editing is, I would love

2396
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:00,000
because I won't do this.
This would take way too much

2397
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,160
time.
But if anybody wants a project

2398
02:09:02,440 --> 02:09:06,640
like I would love for somebody
to like have a 1960 psycho and

2399
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:10,720
like sync it like as you like do
with like the script reader and

2400
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:12,760
then do that with this movie
next to it.

2401
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:16,280
And like kind of see like where
like the the like visual pacing

2402
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:20,000
changes at because like, yeah,
just these like little minute,

2403
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:23,160
like little shifts definitely
make a difference.

2404
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:27,240
They did that with The Shining,
I think in 2014.

2405
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:29,560
It's like The Shining, forwards
and backwards.

2406
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,840
It's something that played
fantastic fast.

2407
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,840
I did not get into that
screening for it and I don't

2408
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:36,920
think it was.
I might have toured, but it was

2409
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:40,440
never really released.
Where you show The Shining from

2410
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:43,640
start to front, Oh, sorry, from
start to finish.

2411
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:49,760
But also underlaying that image
is The Shining playing backwards

2412
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,000
because there's moments that
like allegedly perfectly sync up

2413
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:57,520
with one another to the degree
that you that like, was this

2414
02:09:57,520 --> 02:10:00,840
actually intentional?
I would watch like an overlay of

2415
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:05,000
of this is like an if you want
to do a true art experiment and

2416
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:08,400
really like an experiment and
not something that is like we're

2417
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:11,320
going to do put this on 1000
screens and it's your Friday

2418
02:10:11,320 --> 02:10:14,520
night date movie.
Like I would watch an overlay of

2419
02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:17,480
the original and the remake of
this for funsies.

2420
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:20,040
Like why not?
Psycho by psycho.

2421
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:23,160
Yeah, Brian, you look like that
would be your version.

2422
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:26,240
Right.
Well, Brian sold the left, I'm

2423
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:30,000
thinking threat certain.
Things I, you know, even if you

2424
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,080
just did the shower scene, if
you just played the shower scene

2425
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:37,920
side by side, I wonder what?
I wonder where those things

2426
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:39,760
would, how those things would
line up.

2427
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:43,240
I'm really curious because it
doesn't feel the same at all.

2428
02:10:43,240 --> 02:10:45,360
It's very weird.
I mean, granted, there are a few

2429
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:49,120
insert shots and stuff like that
that aren't in the original, but

2430
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:54,040
yeah, even some of the ones, the
shots that are ostensibly from

2431
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:56,680
the original don't feel the
same, right?

2432
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:02,000
They feel longer or shorter or
slightly off.

2433
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:06,480
Off, you know, like framing.
It's a weird thing.

2434
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:11,680
I don't I that's part of what
you know, just feels.

2435
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:14,800
That's what gives me that
grimace face while I watch this.

2436
02:11:15,080 --> 02:11:17,880
Movie when you remake this
script, even if you remake the

2437
02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:21,800
script from start to finish,
which 99% of it is just the

2438
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:25,680
original script with like the
line thrown in like you know, no

2439
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:28,680
like I'm going to spend the
weekend in bed like the only

2440
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:32,000
better playground than Vegas
like which is a great line.

2441
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:33,920
Yeah, I wish that had been in
the original.

2442
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:36,240
I mean, it was.
We couldn't because that scene

2443
02:11:36,240 --> 02:11:38,240
always looks weird to me.
It was that.

2444
02:11:38,240 --> 02:11:41,440
Or the point it was that you can
have one but not the other.

2445
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,080
Yeah, exactly.
You know, when you think of like

2446
02:11:44,080 --> 02:11:48,360
language, like 90% of understood
language is our body language

2447
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:52,080
and our tone, not necessarily
the words you say, but like how

2448
02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:54,880
you say them and how your body
language comes across.

2449
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:57,480
And they that to me, the
fascinating thing about this

2450
02:11:57,480 --> 02:12:01,840
movie is the delivery of this
movie not only in like the

2451
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:05,680
spoken word, but like how the
bodies are lined up as well.

2452
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:11,040
Like they're the Norman in the
original doesn't come off as

2453
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:13,880
menacing until he does.
Like, you watch that parlor

2454
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:17,880
scene and you know the moment
that he decides to kill Mary.

2455
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:21,080
And like, you know, the moment
that mother takes over is like

2456
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:23,880
when she suggests like, well,
what if you put her somewhere?

2457
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:25,480
He leans.
Forward.

2458
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,760
His tone changes.
He's no longer like the assume

2459
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:35,160
he becomes mother in that moment
where Vaughn and and Hesh sit

2460
02:12:35,160 --> 02:12:38,440
down together in the parlor and
she never even takes a bite at

2461
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:41,320
the sandwich because she's like,
I might have to like get up at

2462
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:43,280
any moment and run out of this
room.

2463
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:48,920
This dude's creep.
You never get like the he's you

2464
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:52,800
never get that sense of like
boyishness that Perkins is so

2465
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:55,920
good and that sympathy Vaughn
from the get go.

2466
02:12:56,120 --> 02:12:59,480
His face is, I'm sorry, his his
Norman.

2467
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:02,160
His face is hanging on a post
office somewhere.

2468
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:04,160
It just is.
He's.

2469
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:07,920
He's do he does a thing that
always cracks me up.

2470
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:10,360
It's like, I don't know, I feel
like it's such a go to actor

2471
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:12,200
thing.
Maybe Chewy, you can relate to

2472
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:17,120
this is I love when an actor
decides my my one of my choices.

2473
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:20,760
I'm going to do here is my
character loves snacks.

2474
02:13:21,120 --> 02:13:23,720
So Vince Vaughn does the thing
where he goes.

2475
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:27,840
I'm going to play Norman, but he
likes to eat snacks also while

2476
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:31,760
he's so because it does, it
lends to like extra body

2477
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,680
language things like how he's
chewing, how he's fumbling with

2478
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:38,000
it with his hands and stuff.
That is, he's always.

2479
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,880
Eating in this.
Yeah.

2480
02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:42,360
Well, he eats like sandwiches
and stuff, but he's like

2481
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:43,440
snacking a lot.
He's he.

2482
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,280
Candy corns in the original.
The candy corn thing is.

2483
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:47,920
In the oh, yeah, he does love
candy.

2484
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:48,120
Yeah.
Hey.

2485
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:50,360
Oh my God, I totally forgot
about that.

2486
02:13:50,360 --> 02:13:53,040
And look, I just finished my bag
of candy corn while we were

2487
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:55,520
recording.
Oh my God, why?

2488
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:57,840
I literally just got the urge
last night.

2489
02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:01,600
I go out of season candy corn.
Yeah, I'm feeling it right now.

2490
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:04,360
It's.
Fine, you just on the camera

2491
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:06,760
like that is relevant to what
we're talking about.

2492
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:10,120
I love that we're all becoming.
What I have over here, I've got

2493
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:13,360
a little dresser from dress to
Kill, all right?

2494
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:19,320
The I mean, for me, thinking
about that, those kinds of,

2495
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:22,160
yeah, my character is going to
be defined by like the business

2496
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:26,080
that they do was something that
I did a lot when I was more of a

2497
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:30,560
inexperienced actor.
It reeks of I don't trust myself

2498
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:31,920
well enough to know this
character.

2499
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:34,560
And so I feel like I need to be
doing something in order to

2500
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:38,760
embody that.
I also call the the snacking

2501
02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:41,920
thing at the Brad Pitt because
of Oceans, the Oceans films.

2502
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:44,920
Cause.
Boy always be eaten in those

2503
02:14:44,920 --> 02:14:47,400
movies.
But like that, I mean, and maybe

2504
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:50,440
that speaks to Vaughn's
inexperience or maybe just his

2505
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:52,440
lack of trust in himself.
I don't know.

2506
02:14:52,440 --> 02:14:55,200
But yeah, like any any time
where you feel like you have to

2507
02:14:55,200 --> 02:15:00,000
do something to like motivate
business that's kind of outside

2508
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,120
of the scene as written, feels a
little try hard to me that, you

2509
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:06,520
know, theater kid energy that
that people talk about.

2510
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:09,280
It's something that I used to do
a lot and might still do in my

2511
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:11,600
more.
I guess what's the word?

2512
02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:15,480
I'm looking for insecure moments
as an actor, because, you know,

2513
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:18,160
why would I be an actor if I if
I weren't insecure?

2514
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:21,040
But I don't know I that that
made that may speak to that.

2515
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:24,560
No, I it's totally the nuances
because I mean, I guess again, I

2516
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:28,680
didn't think about it as much,
you know, in Perkins's Bates.

2517
02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:32,160
But like Vince Vaughn, the way
he's like chewing is so big and

2518
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:35,320
like apathetic again, like it's.
Like chomping.

2519
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:37,920
It like gives you like that, you
know, appeal, like, oh, he

2520
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,520
doesn't really care what
anybody's talking about because

2521
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:42,960
he's just so focused on chewing,
you know?

2522
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:45,760
Like it's like, and when he does
that stick out at the same time,

2523
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:49,000
yeah.
Yeah, if I can, I want to see if

2524
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:52,520
I can make Brian Moore upset by
talking about Julian Moore,

2525
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:58,320
because I don't, I don't think
she fares well in this movie.

2526
02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:02,320
Oh, I don't think so either.
OK, And The thing is, that's why

2527
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:05,800
I prefaced all of that by her.
My introduction of her by saying

2528
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:10,400
she's my favorite actress is
because I love her in

2529
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,360
everything, but man does she
annoy the hell out of me in this

2530
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,200
movie.
I mean, that damn thing with the

2531
02:16:15,200 --> 02:16:17,520
Walkman just makes me crazy.
He's.

2532
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:19,880
Always wearing that damn
Walkman.

2533
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:23,240
And that Walkman in the.
Late 90s, she she puts she puts

2534
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:27,400
her, she puts her bag on the
line in the original movie is

2535
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:31,840
I'll get my purse, You know,
it's just oh, I'll get my

2536
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,320
Walkman.
Why don't you say let me just

2537
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:36,920
get my bag?
Yeah, You know, like she's

2538
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:38,400
already has it on for some
stupid.

2539
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:41,160
Reason you almost I'm like
wonder if because it's get it,

2540
02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:44,879
it's a very specific Walkman.
Like Sony had the patent that

2541
02:16:44,879 --> 02:16:49,360
yellow in the ear that was huge.
You almost wonder if Sony is

2542
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:52,840
like, here's a half million
dollars, make one of them wear a

2543
02:16:52,840 --> 02:16:54,040
walk.
That's what it feels, you know,

2544
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:56,120
like.
You're almost like like it can't

2545
02:16:56,120 --> 02:16:57,959
be Norman when he's doing the
cleanup.

2546
02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:00,559
So like, we'll give it to which
that would have been.

2547
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:03,520
What do you think Norman would
listen to for either near the

2548
02:17:03,520 --> 02:17:06,000
here nor there?
Bernardi or Muhammad the Big?

2549
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:09,120
Well, well, they, they, they
show one of his records, but

2550
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:12,559
it's not in the original.
It's Eroica is Beethoven.

2551
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:13,840
It's like a pop record, this
one.

2552
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:16,240
It's like a Yeah, it's like a,
it's, but it's like an old

2553
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:18,240
fashioned one.
Yeah, it's like a, it's like.

2554
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:20,719
In the 30s or.
From like the 50s.

2555
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:22,879
Yeah, not The Andrews Sisters,
but something like the.

2556
02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:24,639
Andrews Sisters.
Yeah, something like that.

2557
02:17:24,639 --> 02:17:27,080
Yeah, that's exactly it's.
Kind of Norman's kind of a

2558
02:17:27,080 --> 02:17:30,959
hipster, you know, like before,
like Norman's listening to vinyl

2559
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:33,360
before listening to vinyl was
cool again.

2560
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:37,879
And he's got like 19.
He's like Swingers records on

2561
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:40,240
his.
Turn to his mom's and.

2562
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:42,719
He's got that.
But he's got the corduroy

2563
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:44,920
jacket, you know, like.
I think that.

2564
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:48,360
Before I even put the movie in,
when you open up the Blu-ray and

2565
02:17:48,360 --> 02:17:52,760
you see Vaughn's like big stupid
face on the disc, you just know

2566
02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:55,200
you're in.
And I like Vince Vaughn.

2567
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:58,400
So I'm saying it like here, like
the Norman Bates face here,

2568
02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:00,639
you're like, I'm not in for a
good time.

2569
02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:02,760
I'm not in for a, I'm not in for
a good time.

2570
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:05,080
I'm in for a long time with this
his.

2571
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:08,040
Last couple seasons on curbier
enthusiasm.

2572
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:09,320
He's brilliant.
It's Frank.

2573
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:10,440
Hauser.
Frankie Fun.

2574
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:12,040
So.
Great, so good.

2575
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:14,639
He's fun.
I mean, it's unfortunate we had

2576
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:17,480
to lose, you know?
Super fun but.

2577
02:18:17,879 --> 02:18:22,360
Yeah, but it was.
But Vaughn stepped in and made

2578
02:18:22,360 --> 02:18:23,719
it happen.
He's so good, I.

2579
02:18:23,879 --> 02:18:28,040
Love Vince Vaughn, I love him,
especially later career stuff.

2580
02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:31,160
Earmuffs in old school, like you
can say anything you want, just

2581
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:34,240
say earbuffs.
He's so good in.

2582
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:38,160
He's like the guy that is like
kind of hitting in all the

2583
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:39,840
women.
But before he closes the deal,

2584
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,000
he's like, actually I'm married
and walks away.

2585
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:43,799
You're like, all right, I like
that guy.

2586
02:18:43,799 --> 02:18:45,600
You know, like I like.
That.

2587
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:48,400
Guy like, you know what?
I want to watch Old School again

2588
02:18:48,480 --> 02:18:50,879
today, all right?
I just saw I watched the

2589
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:53,600
Internship with him not too long
ago.

2590
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:56,400
And even that being one of his
lower films, still very fun

2591
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:59,360
because he's actually very, you
know, he's very charismatic, but

2592
02:18:59,360 --> 02:19:02,639
like his fight, like, you know,
at the end where, you know, he's

2593
02:19:02,840 --> 02:19:06,680
hitting the iconic, you know,
Anthony Perkins face and like

2594
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:09,120
every.
Yeah, it's it's giving that

2595
02:19:09,440 --> 02:19:14,719
energy of like people that put
them reading as Heath Ledger's

2596
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:16,360
Joker.
Like when they put that on their

2597
02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:18,719
acting reel.
That's what I was like.

2598
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:21,440
That's what I felt like at
watching the end of this movie

2599
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:24,400
when he's like doing the look
and I'm like, you're doing too

2600
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:26,080
much, Vince.
Like dial it back.

2601
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:31,559
And also the the, the the voice
overs in that scene are like

2602
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:35,680
modulated and distorted.
It's like the new metal, Norma

2603
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:38,400
Bates, and like new metal would
have been a thing around this

2604
02:19:38,480 --> 02:19:41,059
time.
It's like everything is quote UN

2605
02:19:41,059 --> 02:19:41,840
quote.
I wish.

2606
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:44,760
This was new metal.
Normally, that would have given

2607
02:19:44,760 --> 02:19:48,559
this movie some juice.
There's several sound design

2608
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:51,160
choices like that.
Like when they're in the hotel

2609
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:53,440
at the beginning, you can hear
the people fucking next door.

2610
02:19:53,440 --> 02:20:00,240
Yeah, I mean, it's just like OK
and and all of the all of the

2611
02:20:00,520 --> 02:20:05,320
inner monologue stuff is echo
Plexed the same way it same way

2612
02:20:05,320 --> 02:20:07,560
with Marion in the car.
Yeah, it's.

2613
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:11,600
I do have a Julian Moore note
here like how she plays Lionel

2614
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:14,720
can.
We took a circuitous route to

2615
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,000
get here.
Shocking. 2 1/2 hours in I.

2616
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:20,120
Apologize what?
Is that, like we said, like, oh,

2617
02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:22,440
like, obviously, like she plays
Lila as a lesbian.

2618
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:26,160
Obviously the only thing that
codes her as a lesbian is a she

2619
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:28,920
like, fights off Viggle
Mortensen's advances, Like, who

2620
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:31,240
of us should?
But also she's angry.

2621
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:34,240
Like, that's what like Gus
Pantelli, an openly queer man.

2622
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:37,640
She wears her keys on the
outside of her of her.

2623
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:41,640
Obviously she's a lesbian, she's
an angry woman, but also like.

2624
02:20:41,720 --> 02:20:43,800
An angry woman with a ring of
keys and a Walkman.

2625
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:48,680
And a Walkman like who among us?
Her performance is giving the

2626
02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:52,840
level of annoyance of like when
you have like a rough tag on

2627
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:56,320
your shirt and like you're and
you're like out at a function.

2628
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:58,880
Well, that's the energy Julianne
Moore is giving and.

2629
02:20:59,160 --> 02:21:00,520
Oh, that's so funny.
The.

2630
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:03,960
Energy I had in the original,
like with Vera Miles, like the

2631
02:21:03,960 --> 02:21:07,160
Lila there is like going off
trying to find Mary because

2632
02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:10,200
she's legitimately worried and
concerned for her sister.

2633
02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:15,640
The energy that the energy that
Moore gives off this whole time,

2634
02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:20,000
it's like this is not the first
time she's had to pull Marion

2635
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,400
out of a scrape.
And I think part of that goes

2636
02:21:22,400 --> 02:21:25,880
back to Hesh's performance.
Like, wouldn't it be a gas to

2637
02:21:25,880 --> 02:21:29,120
steal this money?
Also, the math that Hesh does on

2638
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:30,920
the.
Right.

2639
02:21:30,920 --> 02:21:33,920
It's wrong and it wasn't a
choice that she made.

2640
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:36,360
She just got second grade math
wrong.

2641
02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:41,200
So again, the sparlet letter
with the letter D, like second

2642
02:21:41,360 --> 02:21:44,400
grade math, she got it wrong.
OK, sorry.

2643
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:48,080
Again, I apologize.
I didn't want to speak.

2644
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:50,320
I'll of the dead.
Tragic life.

2645
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:55,280
Great performer, big dope.
All right, you get the feeling

2646
02:21:55,280 --> 02:22:00,280
that like this, Lila, I have to
save my sister again and I'm

2647
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:03,840
fucking over it.
Like that is the energy and it's

2648
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:06,600
just, it's so weird.
It's a weird place to come.

2649
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:10,800
From OK, I'll say that it works
in one scene.

2650
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,720
There's one scene where I was
watching this.

2651
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:16,400
I go, hey, am I watching a movie
right now?

2652
02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:20,880
Are movie things happening?
It's the scene where Vigo and

2653
02:22:20,960 --> 02:22:24,280
Vigo and and more of when
they're checking into the hotel.

2654
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:26,480
Yeah.
And like kind of the back and

2655
02:22:26,480 --> 02:22:29,520
forth between like, oh, you're
being a little weird about this.

2656
02:22:29,800 --> 02:22:32,480
And it's like, it's like Vigo
and Vince are like kind of

2657
02:22:32,480 --> 02:22:35,080
having their back and forth.
And Julianne Moore's just death

2658
02:22:35,080 --> 02:22:37,880
staring like she is just like.
She winks in them.

2659
02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:41,760
And and then the wink.
And then it was, that's the one

2660
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:44,320
scene where I was like, hey,
there's an energy here.

2661
02:22:44,320 --> 02:22:48,000
Something is going on.
You know, that is, you know,

2662
02:22:48,320 --> 02:22:50,520
felt like I was watching a movie
again.

2663
02:22:50,760 --> 02:22:54,200
Cuz I forgot.
I don't know, like they also

2664
02:22:54,200 --> 02:22:57,440
make the end of the movie like
the one of the great things

2665
02:22:57,440 --> 02:23:01,280
about like Psycho's end is when
like as soon as Sam puts his

2666
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:05,560
hands on Norman is Norma, all of
the energy goes out of Norman

2667
02:23:05,560 --> 02:23:08,080
and he collapses.
And it's like really tragic

2668
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:13,120
here.
Like a the reveal of nor is

2669
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,680
ridiculous.
Like I just laughed out loud.

2670
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:19,240
And apparently like that was
audience reactions as well.

2671
02:23:19,240 --> 02:23:21,920
Like look at him in that wig.
Like look at all the beautiful

2672
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:25,160
babies in the wig right there
and then.

2673
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:29,680
Like it becomes a fight.
And I if you had to wager a bet,

2674
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:34,200
do you think when Juliette Moore
kicks Vince Vaughn in the face,

2675
02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:38,880
she yelled girl boss like and
they just had to cut that out

2676
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:42,040
like in the post, like you can
hear the girl boss like when she

2677
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:43,800
kicks him.
Like of course we have to have

2678
02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:47,160
that moment.
Like it's so fucking clunky and

2679
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:50,880
ridiculous, like.
And even before that, when they

2680
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:55,280
reveal, when they reveal mother,
and it's like it's not enough

2681
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:57,560
for it just to be mother, you
have to have a fucking spider

2682
02:23:57,560 --> 02:23:59,680
come out of your mouth, right,
and crawl over her.

2683
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:03,440
Face all the birds.
All the birds, all the stupid

2684
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:05,720
birds.
It's like we this is again just

2685
02:24:05,720 --> 02:24:07,640
taking a cudgel and hitting us
over there.

2686
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:08,680
I.
Don't know, I kind of like

2687
02:24:08,680 --> 02:24:10,200
metaphors.
Of the original.

2688
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:11,880
Shots.
I kind of liked it actually.

2689
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:13,400
I was like where are these?
Birds.

2690
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:18,400
I was like, OK, it's a wallaber.
If they have a big bird thing

2691
02:24:18,400 --> 02:24:21,920
next to her room, like an
armoire filled with birds next

2692
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:25,120
to her room upstairs and.
If that birds are flying around

2693
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:27,920
pooping on the corpse, like,
then I'd be like, all right now,

2694
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:31,000
there we go.
Gus goes, hey guys, you remember

2695
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:33,440
he made that movie The Birds.
You remember that?

2696
02:24:37,560 --> 02:24:42,200
Oh my goodness, this.
Is this is probably my favorite

2697
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:44,360
episode it alone.
I've said that a couple times

2698
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:46,240
this series you have, but this
has.

2699
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:49,800
Been fun just and you know,
there's one more change that I

2700
02:24:49,800 --> 02:24:54,440
think is really kind of well,
two, there's the Arbogast

2701
02:24:54,440 --> 02:24:55,760
killing.
With a cow.

2702
02:24:56,160 --> 02:24:57,960
There's a cow in the.
I know.

2703
02:24:57,960 --> 02:25:01,360
What was that shot?
He's like and Vans tantas like

2704
02:25:01,400 --> 02:25:04,440
these are the things that flash
their minds before they died.

2705
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:06,920
And I'm like a cow.
Like what the fuck are we?

2706
02:25:07,560 --> 02:25:11,640
In the rain, that is what he
sees, and he slashes across the

2707
02:25:11,640 --> 02:25:13,480
face a couple times instead of
just once.

2708
02:25:13,640 --> 02:25:16,800
All right, sure.
The other one is Vince Vaughn

2709
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:19,760
taking a Golf Club to Viggo
Mortens's head.

2710
02:25:20,040 --> 02:25:25,440
Yep, there you go.
I, I I don't know.

2711
02:25:25,520 --> 02:25:30,560
Man, I will say I do like Figgle
Mortis and his Sam here play as

2712
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:34,240
a guy like I'll fuck anything.
I don't care like you'll do.

2713
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:38,360
And like, he kisses Lila at one
point on the cheek and it's just

2714
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:43,160
like, it's just like I would.
Watch Jeff Fahey in Psycho 3.

2715
02:25:43,280 --> 02:25:45,040
Honestly there.
You go.

2716
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:49,320
So like they're doing like a
follow up to Once Upon a Time

2717
02:25:49,320 --> 02:25:52,240
with Holly of Hollywood, with
like Tarantino's writing it,

2718
02:25:52,520 --> 02:25:57,160
Fincher's directing it, and it's
just like Brad Pitt's character,

2719
02:25:57,160 --> 02:26:00,120
right?
I would I'll watch that because

2720
02:26:00,120 --> 02:26:03,080
it's Fincher and Tarantino, so
why not?

2721
02:26:03,240 --> 02:26:07,360
But like I would watch a fucking
follow up of just like Viggo

2722
02:26:07,360 --> 02:26:10,440
Mortison Sam.
Like maybe he's like trying to

2723
02:26:10,440 --> 02:26:12,560
make it as an actor in LA after
this.

2724
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:15,200
Like he gets a little, you know,
he becomes like who?

2725
02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:17,960
Kato Kaelin Like the guy that
lived in O JS.

2726
02:26:18,040 --> 02:26:19,360
Full house.
There it is.

2727
02:26:19,360 --> 02:26:23,760
If like you do a sequel to this
and it's Viggo Martinson.

2728
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:27,320
He turns down Lord of the Rings
in 2000, whatever.

2729
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:31,560
And he's like, I get to be Sam
Loomis again, trying to make it

2730
02:26:31,720 --> 02:26:34,240
on like, reality TV or as an
actor.

2731
02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:36,000
There you go.
Like yes.

2732
02:26:36,480 --> 02:26:39,600
I think between this and our
Predator versus Home alone,

2733
02:26:40,760 --> 02:26:45,320
we've got some juice, we've got
some stuff to write and get get

2734
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:47,520
to pocket.
Pendulum Studios pipeline is

2735
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:48,440
alive and well.
It's.

2736
02:26:48,440 --> 02:26:51,800
Alive and kicking.
All right, Devon, you look less

2737
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:53,200
thrilled by that idea.
You're like.

2738
02:26:54,320 --> 02:26:56,000
Devon Oh yeah, let's get to
work.

2739
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:58,760
Just want to tell me to shut the
fuck up but you're too polite.

2740
02:26:59,440 --> 02:27:01,560
No, I love that idea.
Let's get to work.

2741
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:03,400
I just got to pee.
That's my face.

2742
02:27:03,800 --> 02:27:05,680
Well, let's Why don't we wrap it
up?

2743
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:07,960
Why don't we wrap it up?
Why don't you tell us what's

2744
02:27:07,960 --> 02:27:12,080
going on with Spectre Cinema and
where we can find you?

2745
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:17,000
Yeah, over on Spectre Cinema
Club, but you can hear us new

2746
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:19,680
episodes every Tuesday for
February.

2747
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:23,920
We're doing folk horror, so we
got a nice little lineup of some

2748
02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:28,920
older and newer things.
And then you can also we have a

2749
02:27:29,320 --> 02:27:31,360
thing for Tainted Love coming
up.

2750
02:27:31,360 --> 02:27:35,800
We're doing a little mash up of
Tainted Love and Not Another

2751
02:27:35,800 --> 02:27:39,160
Teen podcast because Ghouls
Magazine is back.

2752
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:43,920
They're doing stuff again and
they're doing a whole day of

2753
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:48,360
live panels and such.
So February 1st, mark your

2754
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:50,240
calendars.
There'll be all sorts of fun

2755
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:55,120
things going on, and I'll be
doing The Tainted Love and Not

2756
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:58,880
Another Team of Pod episode on
Lisa Frankenstein.

2757
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:04,040
So set your calendars for a
whole day of all sorts of fun

2758
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:07,080
panel discussions.
I know Ari will be jumping in

2759
02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:08,840
for quite a few of those as
well.

2760
02:28:09,640 --> 02:28:12,720
And so yeah, so make sure you're
following Spectre Cinema, but

2761
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:14,520
also make sure you're following
Ghouls Mag.

2762
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:16,960
A shout out, Ari.
I know she wanted to be on this

2763
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:18,560
episode, but she wasn't feeling
too well.

2764
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:21,760
I hope she feels better.
I feel like Ari would bring a

2765
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:24,040
different energy.
She'd be a lot cleaner to this

2766
02:28:24,040 --> 02:28:26,720
movie that we.
Are potentially, actually, I

2767
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:27,880
don't think so.
I don't know.

2768
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:30,520
I think Ari.
I think Ari would also have some

2769
02:28:30,520 --> 02:28:33,400
feisty words to say about this.
She could be feisty, but I think

2770
02:28:33,400 --> 02:28:37,520
that this would be some of the
sleazier aspects would be up her

2771
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:39,400
alley.
Is like the millennial nasties

2772
02:28:39,400 --> 02:28:40,880
person.
I don't know, I think she'd be

2773
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:44,680
kinder to it.
Do you know, I, I was really

2774
02:28:44,680 --> 02:28:48,480
hoping that Ari would come on
this episode and love this

2775
02:28:48,480 --> 02:28:51,640
movie, that that's what I was
hoping.

2776
02:28:51,880 --> 02:28:55,080
For you were preparing for.
I was you.

2777
02:28:55,960 --> 02:28:58,280
Know you keep forcing me into
the Derrick Smalls position,

2778
02:28:58,360 --> 02:29:00,040
Brian, and I don't appreciate.
It Yeah.

2779
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:03,120
Oh boy.
All right, Steven, where can

2780
02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:06,480
folks find you?
Right now this is the only game

2781
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:09,280
I got going, so if you're
listening here, this is where

2782
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:12,120
you find me these days.
But you can also swing over by

2783
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:15,520
Litter Box or Blue Sky.
I'm at Chewy Walrus.

2784
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:19,040
I just posted what I thought was
a very funny joke the other day

2785
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:22,280
and no one liked it so I
retweeted or reposted it right

2786
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:24,320
before I came on with this is
funny damn it.

2787
02:29:25,640 --> 02:29:29,680
It's a picture of the Draculas
from Nosferatu 2024 and Dracula

2788
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:34,760
2026 with the the caption Only
Lovers Left for Dead, which is

2789
02:29:34,760 --> 02:29:37,280
funny.
That's funny, damn it.

2790
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:39,760
I've deleted Blue Sky from my
phone.

2791
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:42,800
To be fair, I very rarely look
at it at this point.

2792
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:46,960
That explains why pot and
pendulum doesn't really post

2793
02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:50,520
anymore.
I think we would all be better

2794
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:54,000
human beings if we deleted a
little bit of social media from

2795
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:56,520
our films.
Yeah, it's a rough time out

2796
02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:56,960
there, man.
And.

2797
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:58,960
Do you have any acting gigs
coming up?

2798
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:01,120
Are you like auditioning?
You mentioned you were gonna.

2799
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:04,360
I, I had a plan to audition for
a show.

2800
02:30:04,360 --> 02:30:05,680
I didn't end up going out for
it.

2801
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:08,240
I'm, I'm still working on, you
know, my brain these days.

2802
02:30:08,480 --> 02:30:10,800
So, but maybe in a couple months
here, if something else opens

2803
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:13,600
up, I may throw my throw myself
back onto the stage.

2804
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:17,320
If we need a Kevin McAllister
for Home Alone versus Predator,

2805
02:30:17,960 --> 02:30:21,720
send in your headshots and, you
know, pick a pick a monologue.

2806
02:30:21,720 --> 02:30:25,000
Brian, how about yourself?
What's going on with Holy

2807
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:27,920
Terror?
You mentioned you have just

2808
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:31,160
completed your Frankenstein
watches, which means you.

2809
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:33,160
Probably have stuff.
Coming up there.

2810
02:30:33,880 --> 02:30:37,120
Sure.
For this round, this was a big

2811
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:42,800
piece on the post Young
Frankenstein era of up to 2000,

2812
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:45,600
I should say, of Frankenstein
parodies.

2813
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:49,040
So there's a lot there.
There's some great things like

2814
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:52,880
The Man with two Brains and
Frankenhooker, and then there

2815
02:30:52,880 --> 02:30:54,440
are other things like.
Mortar.

2816
02:30:54,440 --> 02:30:57,000
Come on, Frankenhooker.
Exactly.

2817
02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:01,480
Yeah, and like the Turkish RIP
off remake of Young

2818
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:06,680
Frankenstein, there is
Frankenstein Italian style.

2819
02:31:07,480 --> 02:31:12,120
There is lots of stuff.
Frankenstein's great Aunt Tilly

2820
02:31:12,480 --> 02:31:14,880
almost broke me.
Wow.

2821
02:31:15,440 --> 02:31:18,640
Thank you, Donald Pleasants for
taking every role that was

2822
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:22,880
offered to you in the 80s.
Come get the hell of a drug,

2823
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:27,560
Brian.
Anyway, so anyway that that is

2824
02:31:27,640 --> 02:31:32,240
on my editor's desk and we'll be
releasing at some point from

2825
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:35,240
Matter Vellum.
This one took me a long time to

2826
02:31:35,320 --> 02:31:38,560
get through, so please read it
if you are so inclined.

2827
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:42,720
Over on Holy Terrors, we are
chugging right along.

2828
02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:44,640
We've only released a couple
episodes so far.

2829
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:46,680
We've got our introductory
episode.

2830
02:31:46,680 --> 02:31:52,880
We've got our episode on Heretic
from 2023 or 4, I can't

2831
02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:53,880
remember.
I think 24.

2832
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:59,840
Yeah, yeah, in 2024 and the
Prophecy coming up, we're going

2833
02:31:59,840 --> 02:32:02,800
to be covering the Burbs and
Bride of Frankenstein.

2834
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:07,520
So we've got things coming out
and yeah, we're looking to have

2835
02:32:07,520 --> 02:32:10,360
more guests on.
I've got AI had a lot of people

2836
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:12,160
come out of the woodwork and
say, hey, I want to be on the

2837
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:16,280
show, OK, let's do it.
So I just need to schedule a lot

2838
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:20,480
of those and looking forward to
seeing where all that happens.

2839
02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:24,680
If you want to follow Holy
Terrors, find us on Instagram

2840
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:26,960
seems to be the place where
we're gaining the most traction,

2841
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:31,680
which is Holy Terrors podcast
and also on Blue Sky at Holy

2842
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:34,960
Terrors.
And yeah, I'm really excited

2843
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:38,400
about what we have coming up.
Well, as far as we go, you can

2844
02:32:38,400 --> 02:32:43,760
find us online at Instagram and
Blue Sky at Pod and Pendulum, as

2845
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:46,720
Steven pointed out.
Yeah, I've been a little bit

2846
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:48,600
slack there.
So I need to pick up the pace

2847
02:32:48,600 --> 02:32:52,040
because like when we post on
Instagram in particular, we get

2848
02:32:52,040 --> 02:32:54,880
like a a fair amount of traction
and likes and comments.

2849
02:32:55,040 --> 02:33:00,800
Blue Sky, for whatever reason,
is not a great place to promote

2850
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:02,640
the show, so I've kind of
ignored it.

2851
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:07,840
Yeah, to be fair, like when I
look at my Blue Sky feed, it's

2852
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:11,880
95% politics, which is weird
because I've tried to go out of

2853
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:14,480
my way to keep it like under
20%.

2854
02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:18,120
And I don't want to ignore it.
But I also don't want 'cause I

2855
02:33:18,120 --> 02:33:20,440
tend to doom scroll.
And I just made the choice, like

2856
02:33:20,440 --> 02:33:24,640
when it's became 95% that I'm
like, I need to delete this from

2857
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:28,000
my phone because like, it's
hurting my mental health.

2858
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:32,080
Encourage everybody to like,
don't let social media hurt your

2859
02:33:32,080 --> 02:33:34,440
mental health.
That's either here or there if

2860
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:37,080
you like what we've done.
And if you're like 2 hours and

2861
02:33:37,080 --> 02:33:40,920
40 minutes into this episode on.
Really, psychos?

2862
02:33:41,880 --> 02:33:44,120
Remake.
You either like what we do or

2863
02:33:44,120 --> 02:33:46,840
you really hate.
Yourself hate yourself so much

2864
02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:49,320
and look if you hate yourself
you shouldn't.

2865
02:33:49,440 --> 02:33:53,000
You matter.
Be be compassionate to yourself,

2866
02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:58,440
but you can one act of
compassion is leaving us a five

2867
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:03,560
star review on Spotify or Apple.
Apple the podcast, which I made

2868
02:34:03,560 --> 02:34:07,200
a very nice plea after our
during our cycle 2 episode and

2869
02:34:07,440 --> 02:34:09,520
we have not gotten any reviews
since then.

2870
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:13,000
And folks, I'm, I'm begging,
leave us a five star review and

2871
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:16,360
a few kind words on Spotify or
Apple right now where you can

2872
02:34:16,360 --> 02:34:18,240
like tell us what you like about
the show.

2873
02:34:18,760 --> 02:34:21,960
Tell us if what the best Lube
for salad dressing is.

2874
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:25,360
Like if you have a if you're a
peppercorn guy, let us know.

2875
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:28,320
No, there are no peppercorn
guys.

2876
02:34:28,640 --> 02:34:30,600
Okay, I don't know, there's some
of that.

2877
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:33,680
There's always one thing I
didn't mentioned there in this

2878
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:36,760
episode.
Somebody out there like this

2879
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:40,560
movie was their introduction to
Psycho without knowing the

2880
02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:44,000
Hitchcock movie, and I would
love to meet those people

2881
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:46,560
anyway.
Some angsty Gen.

2882
02:34:46,600 --> 02:34:50,960
Xer had a Psycho 98 poster in
their dorm room and they showed

2883
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:53,880
this dorm day.
The tagline.

2884
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:54,760
Positive.
That's the.

2885
02:34:54,760 --> 02:35:00,720
Tagline come in, take a shower
fuck you just fuck off anyway.

2886
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:04,160
Be be self compassionate and
kind to yourself.

2887
02:35:04,360 --> 02:35:05,480
But so fuck.
Off.

2888
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:10,480
Mike, I'm getting mixed signals
here.

2889
02:35:10,840 --> 02:35:15,560
Please just be a little clearer.
Five stars if you really love.

2890
02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:18,080
If you really love what we, fuck
off.

2891
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:20,800
Five stars, please, if.
You really love what we do.

2892
02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:25,080
Become a patron at
patreon.com/pot of the Pendulum.

2893
02:35:25,160 --> 02:35:28,480
Our Back to the Future 3 episode
should be up when we post this.

2894
02:35:28,480 --> 02:35:31,800
I've had to do some stuff to
edit it because like my my

2895
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:36,560
laptop's Wi-Fi card literally
died recording that episode with

2896
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:37,040
Steve.
That's.

2897
02:35:37,440 --> 02:35:39,280
Right.
That's what happened, but we

2898
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:42,600
have some other cool stuff
coming up there like Steven and

2899
02:35:42,600 --> 02:35:44,320
Brian.
We need to pick a night this

2900
02:35:44,320 --> 02:35:48,120
week to record our fan
commentary on Sylvester

2901
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:51,520
Stallones Over the Top, a movie
neither we keep.

2902
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:53,680
Promising it you have never.
Seen.

2903
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:56,080
So we need to pick that.
We need to.

2904
02:35:56,080 --> 02:36:01,120
Pick that today starring Costar.
Once again I forgot.

2905
02:36:01,960 --> 02:36:03,760
About it, I know.
This is Dad.

2906
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:06,080
This is quintessential dad
cinema.

2907
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:07,360
I have.
Not forgotten.

2908
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:08,680
I'm not a father, so I have
that.

2909
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:12,000
I really want to drop that movie
on Valentine's Day because like

2910
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:12,480
I.
Think.

2911
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:13,600
Oh, really?
Yeah.

2912
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:17,400
So and I would love, I don't
know if we want to talk said to

2913
02:36:17,400 --> 02:36:19,360
help like I think we'd do an
hour of that.

2914
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:23,480
And it's kind of like, you know,
Raby by the numbers, you know,

2915
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:25,440
kind of yeah, it's OK.
It's pretty good.

2916
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:28,680
You know, he's got some weird
gender politics that.

2917
02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:31,680
We can definitely.
Discuss.

2918
02:36:32,520 --> 02:36:35,520
I don't know if he's ever spoken
to a real woman before outside

2919
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:37,760
of making a movie, but you know,
that's all right.

2920
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:40,960
I mean, it's Sam, right?
So there's a good chance he has.

2921
02:36:41,240 --> 02:36:46,040
Patreon.com/pod and the Pendulum
for 2 bucks a month you get a

2922
02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:49,960
lot of stuff like this and you
know, I'm, I want to say like

2923
02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:52,920
I'm cooking up a different show
as well.

2924
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:55,520
So hopefully there'll be more to
report on that soon.

2925
02:36:55,960 --> 02:36:57,680
We name dropped a Palmer
earlier.

2926
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:00,920
I think he would feature heavily
for a few weeks into that.

2927
02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:04,960
But yeah, we'll be back.
We'll be back next week with a

2928
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:08,680
movie that like, honest to God,
if we go over 2 hours and on

2929
02:37:08,680 --> 02:37:11,440
this movie, I may jump out a
window.

2930
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:13,880
I might.
Challenge accepted.

2931
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:19,040
The 1987 made for TV.
You can only see it on YouTube.

2932
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:24,600
Bates Motel made for television
movie starring Harold and Mud

2933
02:37:24,600 --> 02:37:27,400
Court, Bud Court.
And then I think we're doing

2934
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:30,680
Bates Motel, the television show
for a week.

2935
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,560
Are we doing a psycho ranking
episode?

2936
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:36,560
Like do we need to do that?
I was going to say you didn't

2937
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:39,200
have one on the schedule, but we
can easily put one on, do you?

2938
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:41,600
Think we should though.
I mean, because the easiest

2939
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:45,360
number one choice besides the
Exorcist maybe, right?

2940
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:48,840
Which we did not do one for the
Exorcist, right?

2941
02:37:48,840 --> 02:37:50,280
For that very reason, as I
recall.

2942
02:37:50,480 --> 02:37:54,960
But then I don't, I don't think
we need too, Steven, what's our

2943
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:57,360
next franchise then, since we're
a couple weeks away?

2944
02:37:58,040 --> 02:38:02,800
Coming up on the main feed is my
wheel pick for last year which

2945
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:06,480
is. 2025.
For 2025, we got, you know, we

2946
02:38:06,480 --> 02:38:08,720
had, we had a lot going on.
Everyone picks these long ass

2947
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:12,160
franchises and I guess I'm no
exception here because I chose

2948
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:14,480
the.
Psycho it was 5 movies.

2949
02:38:15,160 --> 02:38:19,080
And we kept adding and we're
doing. 7 episodes.

2950
02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:22,440
And no, we're going to be
covering the Omen franchise

2951
02:38:22,440 --> 02:38:24,560
because I loves me some
religious trauma horror.

2952
02:38:24,560 --> 02:38:26,920
Yes, please and thank you.
Movie, but a lovable little

2953
02:38:26,920 --> 02:38:29,360
skimp.
Just, you know, we all dare do

2954
02:38:29,360 --> 02:38:31,440
well.
Like Dennis the Menace, but with

2955
02:38:31,440 --> 02:38:33,200
a cooler hat.
The Omen.

2956
02:38:33,720 --> 02:38:38,040
We'll be back, but we'll be back
next week with Bates Motel,

2957
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:43,040
which does have more men and
chicken suits than this movie

2958
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:46,080
does.
Well, that's definitely A+.

2959
02:38:46,120 --> 02:38:49,520
And it features Lori.
This this will be the only one I

2960
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:51,960
have never seen.
So it'd be.

2961
02:38:52,200 --> 02:38:53,840
I don't think you'll.
Get at this point the same.

2962
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:57,600
Yeah, I don't think you'll be as
angry if you are.

2963
02:38:57,600 --> 02:38:59,800
That would be brilliant.
That'd be brilliant.

2964
02:38:59,800 --> 02:39:03,640
We won't care.
So, all right, that's it,

2965
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:07,880
listeners.
Have a great week and take care.

2966
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:08,760
Bye.