PSYCHO IV: THE BEGINNING

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None.
Hello everyone, and welcome to

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the Pod and the Pendulum, the
podcast cut that covers all the

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horror franchises, one movie and
one episode at a time.

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This week we are barreling right
along with our coverage of the

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Psycho franchise.
As always, I'm your host Mike

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Snoonian, and I am not alone.
We have three Co hosts and a

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special guest sitting in the
chairs today for this movie of

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all movies where like everyone's
like I'm in.

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It's always a shock, always a
surprise.

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Up first from Bloody Disgusting
in the new podcast Holy Terrors.

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Mr. Brian Kuiper, how are we?
Good.

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I'm fine.
I actually slept last night, so

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I'm feeling pretty pretty well.
Yeah.

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For a change.
This, like, never happens.

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Excellent.
You have no idea what we're in

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for.
Let's see what we get from you

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today.
Yeah.

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Also joining us as a Co host
today, Mr. Steven Foxworthy.

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How are we?
Doing well Mike.

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World class bitch reporting for
duty.

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Love it.
All right.

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Also with us back again.
She is the host of the Bodies of

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Horror podcast.
She's been on a red eye flight

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just to make this episode.
Miss Nicole Gobel.

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Nicole, how are we this morning
besides sleepy?

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I'm doing great.
Nothing like burning the

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midnight oil with some good old
CCH pounder.

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Yeah.
To get this in, it's been a long

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time since I've seen this one,
so I'm really excited to talk

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about it.
Now were you on the flight home

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like going through the airline
kind of like video on demand

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menu going like where is psycho
4 like how is this not one of

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the offerings?
Well.

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Of course that was #1 because I
did want to make sure I was able

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to, like, have it on the screen
so that my little role mates

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could enjoy this film
vicariously.

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But that wasn't a possibility.
Shock of shocks.

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So I did what?
Airline so I never fly with them

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just.
Correct, JetBlue, so I be.

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So I got a little enterprising
and made sure it was on my iPod

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and not my iPod, my iPad.
OK, I'm not that old and I made

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sure to also have it positioned
so that, again, I don't want to

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rob people of the experience of
this film.

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Did you act any of the scenes
out for the pleasure of the

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cabin?
I did I.

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Little community theater.
I ended up getting on the PA

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system and just doing like my
own radio show.

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Love it.
Yeah.

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That's amazing.
Love it.

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Oh, my goodness, kid.
Also joining us today is a

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special guest from overseas.
You heard him last week on Cycle

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3.
It's Kennel.

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How are we?
Yes, lad, how are we doing?

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Oh, Jordia.
Doing fantastic.

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It's a pleasure to have you back
on.

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Brian has hopped off the episode
apparently, like he's like radio

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show.
That gives me an idea.

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And maybe that's what he's doing
right now.

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No, he just he got flashbacks of
his showing of me in streets the

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other day when everyone but him
walked out.

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Everybody left, so by the end of
this episode, it'll just be me.

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Fantastic.
All right, well, let's dive into

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it.
Nicole, what are your initial

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memories of watching Psycho 4
when it wasn't on an airplane?

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Yeah, so this was definitely one
that I caught on cable.

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And you know, I think like with
all franchises, but especially

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franchises that have such an
important entry into kind of the

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poor zeitgeist, I think you
anticipate such diminishing

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returns with each outing.
I'm not just like they're

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running a little bit low on
story fuel.

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It's kind of like, what in the
hell is even worth continuing

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the story?
But surprisingly, I don't hate a

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lot of these sequels.
I think they really, really,

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really try to make it work.
So I remember watching it on

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cable and being like, what is
this like a kind of like a going

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back and giving us a little bit
of like more centered story on

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Norman's use so that we could
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other films with a different
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So that's kind of where I'm kind
of focused.

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On.
Viewing.

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But yeah, it'd been a while, so
I was glad to to pop this one

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back on.
Excellent canal.

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How about yourself?
Flippin I have it in the head

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that I watch the Psycho films
all the time, but Revelation I

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found I hadn't watched it since
like the first week of COVID

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when I checked my letterbox, I I
had like I rated it four stars

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at the time.
Flippin I had it in my head that

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this is a really, really good
film, what you call it, but a

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bit of a fall off.
But I think I might have like,

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sort of rearrange things
retroactively in my head because

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I think what was normally
happening previously is I hadn't

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watched a Psycho film in ages.
I'd catch this one, think, oh,

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that's all right, I'll watch
another one.

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And then how?
And then I just remember having

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a really good day watching
Psycho films.

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I've never like watched them.
I don't think I've ever really

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watched them consecutively in
release order.

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And it's affected how I feel
about it to some degree.

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Excellent.
I don't think it's a bad film,

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but the drop off is real.
I mean, you go.

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From I've got my theories, like
obviously there's stuff like,

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you know, it being sort of made
for television, all this kind of

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thing.
But like, well, I've got my

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theories, we'll get into them.
I mean, I don't want to be shots

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fired, but when you go from Mick
Garris to Alfred Hitchcock, like

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back-to-back, there's going to
be a drop off.

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I do kind of think it's a Mick
Garris problem.

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Like, like, I mean, Mick Garris
is like, like, I quite like him

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as a character.
I quite like him telling

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interesting stories and he
coordinated great things.

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The actual stuff he's directed?
Not so much.

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Yeah, we'll talk about that in a
minute.

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I I definitely want to talk
about Mick Garris a little bit

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and in a minute here.
We've covered one of his films

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before.
If you go back into the

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archives, we've covered Critters
2, which I think many would say

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is like his best film, and
that's saying something.

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Steven, how about yourself?
His best film by default, no.

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So as if you've listened to the
last two episodes, you know,

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this is my first engagement with
Psycho 4.

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I watched it as we were as the
recording time approach.

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So I'd like again, kind of right
before the recording was

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watching this one.
And yeah, it it feels like a

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pretty stark drop off.
Is it future or is it past?

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It's one of those Godfather 2
style, straddling the line

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between prequel and sequel.
But I think that's where the

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comparisons between those two
films end, because this is

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doing.
Things you think?

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I do.
No, no, Brian, I don't think I

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insist.
Good.

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This, this, this isn't doing
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particularly well in my mind, so
we can discuss that further.

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This movie has a lot of the
problems that I typically have

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with prequels kind of baked into
the cake of the thing, and I

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know we'll talk about that
later.

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I've got a big long list of
notes on that toward the toward

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the movie discussion part of
things, but there's a lot to

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like here.
There are things I do genuinely

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like about this, but it's mostly
toward the beginning.

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And but generally just the whole
thing just feels really messy to

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me.
And so, yeah, I, I didn't, I

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went in kind of wanting to
wanting to enjoy this as I had,

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you know, the the previous films
in this franchise.

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And and kind of this I think is
where we start to fall off in my

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in my thinking.
I would agree.

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I I think we're on the same
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Brian, how about yourself?
Well, I apologize for a minute

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ago.
So my microphone probably sounds

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a little bit different now than
it did in the introduction.

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So sorry about that.
OK, I remember my grandma having

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Showtime, so I'm pretty sure
that I watched it with her and

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I've mentioned her on the other
Psycho episodes because that's

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she's like my experience with
Alfred Hitchcock really begins

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with her.
So all of these movies came were

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are connected to her.
I also have a great Silence of

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the Lambs story concerning my
grandma for another day.

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But I went and I also so I
remember she hated it I'm sure

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and I thought it was OK and but
didn't really remember anything

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about it.
Also, when I went to Universal

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Studios Florida as a kid, they
had built the Psycho House on

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the Hill.
It was right outside of the Hard

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Rock Cafe.
I remember this very distinctly.

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I have pictures of it somewhere.
Again, like I mentioned last

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week, they're in a box
somewhere.

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Physical photos.
That's just the way things are

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now.
The physical photos are in a

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box.
So if it hasn't happened in the

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past, you know, 10 years or so,
I don't have it with me, but I

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have.
I remember that so well.

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And that was just kind of a
really key sort of moments like

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of movies are like physical
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You know, there's, there's
reality involved in this, you

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know, I don't know, that sounds
weird.

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I don't know how to explain it,
but it was a, it was a key

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moment and sort of there's a
physical element to Psycho and

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that's really cool.
And, and I it's within my actual

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visual distance sight.
And I think I thought that was

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pretty amazing.
So was the house itself in the

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theme park like where the rides
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Or was it outside the park on
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the entrance?
Well, The thing is, it's all

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really different now because
it's all, it's all concrete

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there now.
But back then, this was, you

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know, 1989 or so, there was it
was just like you see in the

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film.
I mean, it was just like an

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empty hill that actually looked
like a California hill.

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You know, they made it look like
a California hill.

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So it's sort of deserty looking
and that all of that greenery

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and stuff, that sort of the
wildflower stuff that is in

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front of it, that was all there.
And the theme park itself felt

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like it was a long way away
because like the city walk

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didn't really exist yet.
Yeah.

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Islands of Adventure was years
away, Yeah, from existing.

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So it, it felt, you know,
Universal Studios of the time

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felt kind of remote.
It was just sort of out there in

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the swamp, you know, and they
had things, but it's very

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different now than it was then.
I mean, they even had like a

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studio tour thing going on at
the Florida one at that time,

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which they don't really do
anymore.

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They don't, really.
Shoot anything there anymore?

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Right.
But it was just so I remember

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very distinctly all of that
stuff for whatever reason.

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Yeah, I know that like in the
early he's like BUCW Wrestling

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shot their weekly television at
Universal Studios at one of the

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lots in order to save money.
They would and they would

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basically film like 2 months
worth of weekly television in

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like 2-1 or two tapings.
And it wasn't like real fans

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that were going into these
tapings.

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It was literally like whoever is
at the park at the time or they

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would just pay like people off
the streets like 50 bucks to sit

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in the stand.
So nobody had any idea who any

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of these wrestlers were and like
who to cheer or who to Boo.

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And it was just like a cost
cutting measure.

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But it was like not the best
product in the world.

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And they would do things like
shoot title changes, and then

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someone would get injured before
the episode aired.

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And it would cause all sorts of
continuity problems.

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But because wrestling was for
children, who cares?

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But I just remember what I
remember about, like, Universal

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Studios in the 90s.
And now it's, you know, it's a

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park that really rivals, like
Disney World.

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In terms of all the attractions,
I prefer Universal over Disney

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World.
Like if I'm going, you've been

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to the Universal twice in the
past 10 years and never Disney

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World.
Yeah, I, we went last summer and

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the thing that we really loved
about Disney World was actually

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Animal Kingdom.
We were going to spend a whole

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day there or two days there.
As far as everything else went,

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Universal was the place to be.
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But Speaking of not great
product, Psycho 4, beyond those

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couple of anecdotes, you know,
sort of the personal

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connections, the movie, it
really just doesn't do much for

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me at all.
I'm I'm one of those people that

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I like to be able to fill in the
answers for myself.

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I don't like them spelled out so
much.

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And so a prequel like this, I
don't know, it was just sort of

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like it felt feels really
unnecessary, very overly

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Freudian and dated in its
psychology.

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And you know, Joseph Stefano and
all that Freudian crap is just

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like, come on, man, let's do
something more interesting,

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please.
So anyway, that's that's part of

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the movie discussion I suppose
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I'm in the same boat.
Like this was the first time

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Watch for me is a movie I had
ordered like the three sequels

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from Scream Factory probably a
little over a year or two ago,

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knowing that at some point we
were going to get to the series.

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So I might as well like own
them.

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And you know, when you do that,
like, you got to get 4 as part

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of that mix.
And this week was like the first

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time I'd cracked it open, like
in preparation for the show.

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And it's fine.
Like, you know, we were saying

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off air, like sometimes you get
a movie that's like egregiously

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bad and it's fun to do an
episode on it because there's a

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lot you can say and have a lot
of fun with it.

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Or it'll be next week.
Maybe.

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We'll see.
We'll see.

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I hate this you.
Hate the sequel, I hate the

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remake.
I hate it.

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I hate it.
So it's gonna in Ari, it's gonna

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be on that episode, so it's
gonna be Nosferatu all over

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again.
It's gonna be fantastic.

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That'll be fun.
I can just sit back and enjoy

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the blood spilling out.
Nosferatu with a soup.

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Sean of Mike's Noonie.
In case sprayled in for Goodman.

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I haven't seen the Psycho remake
in probably 25 years, but my

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passion for hatred toward it is
like it is one of the movies I

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hate more than any other movie I
hate so.

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For 8 bucks folks, you can order
and.

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That's why.
This remake on Blu-ray and join

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our new $8 orgy tier which we
will send a copy coming soon to

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be posted on the patron the $8
orgy tier.

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So that will be fantastic.
We have the best snacks is going

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to be our hook when it comes to
that.

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Polish sausages in the corner.
Oh, my goodness.

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And that's just not the food,
all right?

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To me, this is just like, it's.
It's fine.

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It's fine.
Yeah.

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It feels like the first time
Anthony Perkins is mailing it

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in.
The question I had is like, why

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does this move in movie even
exist?

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And Steven, you had made an
interesting note as to why you

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feel like it exists.
Right, I just I just looking at

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my notes here, I, I feel like
just based on the research that

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I've done, I think the primary
reason this movie was created

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was for let me just check money.
Is that right?

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That can't be right.
That doesn't sound right.

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Is it?
Was it with money that that

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sounds?
No, it it would be the first

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time a movie has ever been been
made with commercial intentions

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first, Right?
Yeah.

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Huge of true.
Huge of true.

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All right.
Should we talk about the

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background a little bit?
Let's do it, OK?

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Steven, to your point, this
might be the only time a movie

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ever came to exist because the
studio wanted to hype up the

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opening of an amusement park.
Like I know there have been

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movies that have been based on
rides, but those rides are like

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long established.
Like this literally was

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Universal going, hey, we have a
theme park opening up, maybe we

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should make a Psycho movie.
That was the impetus behind

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green lighting this movie.
The launch of Universal Studios

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Florida being right around the
corner.

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So if there's something good
that came out of Psycho 4, it's

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Universal Studios Florida.
Well, no, that was already

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opening.
Like that was already gonna be

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there.
It wasn't like let's make Psycho

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4 and then build a theme park
around.

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See, I don't remember Psycho 4.
What I remember what being hyped

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about Florida was the Back to
the Future ride.

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Yep, which was amazing.
Yeah, yeah.

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All right, Peter, there future.
Ride.

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I think the only ROT original
ride that still might be there

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is like the ET ride.
Yep, the ET ride is there, yeah.

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Right.
Like because Jaws is gone.

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And boy, 2 million all the time
is gone.

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You can get on that ride quick
now, too.

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Seriously.
Yeah.

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Yeah, that.
Was a week we did not.

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Have there is like no line for
that.

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It's a little fun ride.
It is I love to and we actually

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had a great time.
We went on A and.

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You two or three times he says
your name like what's wrong?

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Well.
That didn't doesn't really work

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anymore.
He's gotta go.

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Shockingly, the The Incredible
Hulk coaster is the other ride

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that doesn't typically have a
massive line, especially if you

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do the single rider.
Yeah, and that is my favorite

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roller coaster of all.
That's so good.

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Love the Hulk.
Coaster, it's fantastic.

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Yeah, the the the the
Velocicoaster.

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I thought I was going to die.
Wild.

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I thought I was going to fly off
that thing and yeah, that it

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freaked me out.
I.

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Thought it my son.
Loved it my son.

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Canal Where are you?
In the Houston parks, You're

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expiculously silent on the idea
of theme park rides.

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I.
Think I might have went to

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Universal Studios Florida and
saw the Psycho house when I was

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10 or something.
OK, Yeah.

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Maybe.
It's not the long time ago.

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Does the do the islands have
like good theme parks?

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Like is there anything in in
Scotland or the UK for like fun

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good theme parks or is that just
something that is not a thing?

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What we call it, there's like
the ones who roll, like I'm not

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a big roller coasters guy.
Like because like flipping for

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the last few years of my life,
like, you know, sort of any kind

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of day out involves lots of
drinking and like drinking and

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roller coasters are just not the
mix.

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Well, I was never really a theme
park guy.

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Like I'm off the drink at the
minute, like, so maybe I should

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get into them.
But yeah, there's things like

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Alton Towers and Thorpe Park and
all this kind of thing.

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And they used to be flipping.
I've never been able to get

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there.
But there was like a theme park

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called Camelot that was
abandoned.

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And like, if you look at photos
of it, because it was like left

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unattended, it overgrew for
ages.

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That's what appeals to me.
Overgrown, disused theme park.

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Like it like I don't want to go
there with people there.

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I want I I wanted to look
cursed.

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Yeah.
Obviously my girlfriend's from

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Ireland and she keeps
threatening me to take me to the

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what should we call like the
theme park over there and the

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most popular one in Ireland.
If you tried to predict this,

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you probably dismissed the
prediction for being too racist.

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But the biggest theme park in
Ireland is called Tatoland,

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which is like mascots, like a
potato with a top hat.

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Is it like themed around the
gosh, like the tuber or is it

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themed around the Irish potato
chip potato?

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Yes, yes.
Potato toast.

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Potatoes.
Around the chip, OK.

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OK, I love that.
I absolutely the.

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Crisp, my apologies.
I got the terminology wrong, but

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yeah.
Moving, moving on.

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My apologies.
And Nicole, you look like you

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regret popping on your life.
This is gonna be one of those

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episodes where it's like, how
much are we gonna actually talk

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about the movie and how much are
we just gonna go off in wild

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tangents?
It's OK.

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And I think we're all like a
little tired today, so.

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Well.
Not me, I actually slept last

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night.
Why not in bushy tails?

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The rest of us dragging Brian
just raring to go.

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I actually got like 8 hours of
sleep, it's weird.

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And you're even wearing a salty
T-shirt.

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Yeah, yeah.
I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

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Which is not a very Brian
sentiment, which is great

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anyway.
I bought it for my students for

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the end of the year.
I'm like, I'm gonna wear this

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shirt as often as I possibly
can.

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Could you get a T-shirt that has
every student listed and then a

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sentence of what you really
think of them?

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Could you?
On his last day before

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retirement, maybe.
I I definitely did that my last

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week of school, but anyway, hey
re.

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There's a reconstructed Bates
home and motel constructed on

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the site.
The idea was to shoot would

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occur in rap before the park
opened to the public.

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However, things plans change and
because of delays and setbacks,

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they were filming the movie as
the as like the park is like

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soft launching.
So there's like tour guides like

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on megaphones, like bringing
people around the set as they're

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trying to record and film the
movie.

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Like, so one of the more
dramatic scenes between Hussey

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and Henry Thomas outside where
it's like this really emotional,

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like driven scene.
People are going by hooting and

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hollering and taking pictures
and waving and yeah, so there's

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that going on as well.
So that is.

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There's not that much of the
movie like flipping at the

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house, though, was it Like, you
know, flipping, You know, we

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strained it up.
He's got quite a nice kitchen

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going on at the minute.
Yeah.

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Like flipping the very little
takes place by the house so like

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have they managed to drag that
out weeks over schedule is?

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It's a legion.
Well, I think that's the that is

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I that might have been just like
getting everybody signed up and

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maybe like designing the house
and moving it.

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That sounds like it was a lot of
like the pre production that

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like caused a lot of the delays
there.

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One of the things I recognized
about the house when I saw it

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and because I had read books
about psycho is the house in

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Florida was full scale.
It was not the, because the one

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in, in California is smaller so
that it looks like it's higher

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on the hill.
So that's one of the things that

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was sort of interesting, I guess
about seeing that thing because

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it was huge.
And so the, I imagine the time

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it took to construct it and all
of that probably was an element

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in all of this too.
And also, Florida weather is not

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always forgiving, you know,
depending on the time of year

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you're working.
So I don't know, there could be

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a lot of factors like that
happening.

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Filming this over the summer and
they talk about being like hot

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and sticky and yeah, we've gone
to Orlando.

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There were, I remember rain
storms on the regular every.

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Day at.
Two months exactly.

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Yeah, every day at 2:00.
Massive torrential, yeah.

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Yeah, it's not little like
there's massive thunderstorms

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that last for like an hour.
It is, yeah.

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Yeah, every single day.
It's a monsoon, and walking

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around Orlando in this summer is
like walking around like a bowl

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of cheddar broccoli soup.
Like it's hot, it's thick.

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It's just not the most best
time.

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No, it's really not so.
As he eloquently put it in the

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director's commentary, how did
the man who gave the world

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critters to go on to become the
choice to direct Psycho for,

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well, the time Mick Garris was
working on a London-based

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syndicated show along with like,
Tom McLaughlin from Friday the

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13th Part 6 called the She Wolf
of London.

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It's focused on a young, I
think, played by Kate Hodges,

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like a young American College
girl.

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She's bitten by her werewolf in
London.

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And not only does she become a
lycanthrope, but like other

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supernatural beings are drawn to
her.

454
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,880
And it was like heavy on like
romance and comedy and light on

455
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,880
horror.
The 1st 14 episodes are actually

456
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,680
shot in London and then the
final six were like moved to Los

457
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,360
Angeles for cost cutting
reasons.

458
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,160
But the studio liked the show
enough and the style of the show

459
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,200
enough where Garris was like a
producer and one of the creative

460
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,240
hands on it to have him step in
for this project.

461
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,920
And it was originally pitched to
go to Showtime, which is a pay

462
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,680
cable station, but it would be
shown theatrically elsewhere.

463
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,320
And for that reason, like the
film is shot in four by three,

464
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,000
which is what American
televisions were at that time.

465
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680
So you get that square picture,
Steve, and I see you making your

466
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,680
face and then.
No, Sir, I don't like it.

467
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,960
Blown out to widescreen in for
theatrical screenings, which is

468
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,520
what the Blu-ray is.
And to kind of put it in

469
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,400
perspective, if you watch a show
from the late 90s, it's on DVD.

470
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,680
That's been imported over.
It's on syndication now.

471
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,360
If you buy the Buffy the Vampire
Slayer DVDs, they're shown in

472
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,080
four by three, which is their
original aspect ratio.

473
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,920
That's how the show was designed
and filmed.

474
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,760
So there's no information that
you're actually missing if you

475
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,200
watch it with bars on the side.
But when you take a four by

476
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,320
three picture and you make it
letterbox or widescreen, you

477
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,960
actually do lose information.
So there's stuff on the sides

478
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,080
that you're not going to see
because the picture has been, am

479
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
I just saying that right?
Top and bottom, Top and top,

480
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,440
bottom.
Yeah, some of the top and bottom

481
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,840
that you wouldn't see, and
that's in a movie like Psycho 4.

482
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,480
That's not necessarily an issue.
Like there's not a lot of like,

483
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,200
super interesting compositions
here.

484
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,680
But where comes the problem?
Like The Simpsons.

485
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,120
When The Simpsons moved to
Disney Plus, there was an

486
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,040
outcry.
That still pisses me off.

487
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,760
Yeah, they still haven't changed
it.

488
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,760
I thought they were changing
that.

489
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,480
They've been saying that saying
they will, but they they never

490
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,040
have.
Yeah.

491
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640
Which is it's.
Easier to just lop the top and

492
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,120
bottom off of something than to
actually reconstruct it to how

493
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,840
it's supposed to be, yeah?
Which is why folks.

494
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,280
Which is ironic because because
Disney did that with re releases

495
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,840
of their movies from the 40s,
you know, like Pinocchio and

496
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,520
stuff where they cropped them to
widescreen and then, you know,

497
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,080
eventually in the, these are
2000s or something like that,

498
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,480
they restored the Renaissance.
Yeah, they restored them.

499
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,280
So like you had the the full
frame Snow White Pinocchio again

500
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,720
for the first time in decades.
And it was like, oh, there was a

501
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,200
lot of stuff that, you know,
that was missing.

502
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560
And so I mean but.
Those are those are generally

503
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,920
done for re release though and
so they're going to be putting

504
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,160
them on physical media and
making a shit ton of money.

505
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,960
With The Simpsons, it's just for
people to watch on TV.

506
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,240
They're not re releasing those
on physical media because Disney

507
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,120
doesn't do that anymore.
Which, that's another can of

508
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,320
worms.
Another rant for another day.

509
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaking of the kit, Speaking of
Can of Worms returning to the

510
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
franchise for the first time
since the first film writer

511
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,160
Joseph Stefano, and boy, oh boy,
does he write a movie with this

512
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,680
one right here.
He ignores everything in Part 2

513
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,200
and 3 essentially and says he
didn't.

514
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Like killed, It's like he kills.
It says I've killed almost 12

515
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,080
people.
It's like that's like the only

516
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,160
thing that seems to be carried
over, he said.

517
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,880
He killed a lot of people.
Well, he he says he doesn't like

518
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,960
parts two or three because they
were like too reliant on slasher

519
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,560
tropes and the way those films
were shot, which is ironic

520
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,880
because this is probably the
most slasherly slasherly of any

521
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,600
of the movies.
And like Ryan, to your point,

522
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,480
it's heavy on the Fraudian.
Seriously, there are times in

523
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,640
this movie where I feel like he
took that speech he wrote for

524
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,720
the Doctor at the end of first
movie and expanded it to 90

525
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,400
minutes because man.
Yeah.

526
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,880
It is some of it's exhausting.
Yeah, it is the Otipo complex

527
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800
just like brought on screen for
90 minutes.

528
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,600
So, you know, and to me it just
shows that with like Psycho, his

529
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,160
script for the first film is
essentially blocks dialogue.

530
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Like a lot of that is in there.
The change that was made was the

531
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,880
was making Norman Bates an
attractive young man, not a 40

532
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,880
something raging alcoholic.
Like that is the big difference.

533
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,320
But even that change came from
Hitchcock and not Stefano.

534
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,360
So I think you kind of see who
the geniuses behind like the

535
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840
first film are, and it's not in
the writer.

536
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,600
Yeah.
What you reckon?

537
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Like Hitchcock did something
really good while he was making

538
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
a film.
Possibly, yeah.

539
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,800
That's about.
Right.

540
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Controversial.
Take that.

541
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,800
I know.
Hitchcock in making good film.

542
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Shocker.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not I, I don't

543
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,040
fully buy into the OTIR theory
or something like that, but

544
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Hitchcock certainly had a hand
in shaping scripts.

545
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,960
You know, every time.
I mean, he worked 1:00 during

546
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280
the writing process.
He regularly met with writers,

547
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,880
which is why he hired people
that he thought were funny and

548
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,200
had and and could entertain him
basically.

549
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,240
And but would also we're usually
pretty young and would do

550
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,160
whatever the hell he said.
Exactly.

551
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,640
I mean, there's, you can see
that there's a lot of that

552
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,400
shaping of things.
Now.

553
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Do they bounce ideas off each
other?

554
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,880
Sure they do.
I think that the whole idea of

555
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,640
of Janet Lee being hired, for
example, kind of was a spark

556
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,360
that came to Hitchcock from
Stefano.

557
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Stefano had said something and
then Hitchcock said we could get

558
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,760
a *.
That's the way the legend goes,

559
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,680
at least.
So.

560
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
But I think when you have
Stefano now, he's sort of like,

561
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,840
well, I'm the writer of Psycho,
so I'm going to create the

562
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,040
script and it's going to be
great.

563
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,920
You're going to shoot whatever I
write.

564
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,120
That's kind of what it feels
like.

565
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,080
Yeah.
And it's sort of like, OK, sure.

566
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Yeah, This is just like, I don't
think there was a lot of passes

567
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,960
on this script, do you know what
I mean?

568
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,160
I don't think it was sent back
for a lot of rewrites.

569
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,160
It was first draft, second
draft.

570
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,520
We got something.
Let's film I was.

571
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,880
Going to say this does not
scream studio notes or

572
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,920
interference or anything like
that, no.

573
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,680
What do we make of Garris?
And I think he's an interesting

574
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,280
dude to discuss for a few
minutes because he has that

575
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,040
moniker.
He's like one of the masters of

576
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,000
horror.
And I think when you look at

577
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,360
just the filmography, it doesn't
ring true.

578
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Like he's like he's.
Like.

579
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,000
He's like masters of horror
thing because he was like the

580
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,280
guy who coordinated it in it.
He's the guy who's only at the

581
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,160
cool party because he let the
cool kids use his house to have

582
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,840
a party in and said he'd do the
cleaning himself afterwards.

583
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,280
If you look at like what?
What Like because like flipping,

584
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,640
like when they did the massive
horror series and the stuff they

585
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,600
come out, you've got all these
incredible people like your John

586
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Carpenters and your Toby Hoopers
and he's bringing in these these

587
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,600
international visionaries like
Takahashi Mika and Dario Argento

588
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,000
and all that.
And he's like, he's still like

589
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,840
the Sleepwalkers guy, isn't he?
Yeah, I think it's fair to call

590
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,120
him like the the Phil Coulson of
the Masters of Horror.

591
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,480
Like the guy that all the
masters of horror kind of rally

592
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,080
around more so than an actual
master of horror.

593
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Yeah, he's in charge of the
spreadsheet.

594
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Wow, so.
I don't know, I'm the guy who

595
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,520
tends to be in charge of the
spreadsheets around here, so.

596
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,880
Nicole, what's your take on Mick
Garris?

597
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,120
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of
people probably have their

598
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,280
familiarity with him based on
his wide array of adapting

599
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Stephen King work.
And I think, you know, obviously

600
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,840
that partnership has worked.
We hate sleepwalkers.

601
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,480
I personally love it.
I think it's a lot of fun.

602
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,920
Creepy.
Also layers of incest too, so

603
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,320
maybe?
I'm intrigued.

604
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,240
I'm kidding, I I haven't seen
it.

605
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:09,199
Spoiler alert, there's some, you
know, maybe some unpacking for

606
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,159
Garrus here.
But, you know, I think that it's

607
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,520
always good or at least a good
intention when a franchise says,

608
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,840
OK, we're going back to the well
and we want to interject a new

609
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,679
perspective.
We want to interject a little

610
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,520
bit of new blood into this
franchise who is a director that

611
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,880
can deliver on the core
components and kind of give us

612
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,360
the output that we want.
Because that's the other thing I

613
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,960
think if you do find, you know,
directors who are very, you

614
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,639
know, they're established, they
come in with a lot of clout,

615
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,440
they're not going to want to,
you know.

616
00:34:53,880 --> 00:35:00,960
Kind of fall in line when it
comes to notes and really

617
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,440
wanting to cash in on that
dollar and especially like

618
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,600
selling a ride.
So I think that you have to find

619
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,000
someone that's willing to kind
of balance both if there's both

620
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,960
the balance in this equation.
So I, you know, I, I don't think

621
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:24,280
that Mcgarras is, you know, a
master of horror by any stretch

622
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400
of the imagination.
I I really love what Canal said

623
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,520
about like he's the person that
hosts the party and everyone

624
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,440
shows up, gets drunk, trashes
the place and they leave clean

625
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,840
of conscience knowing that that
person for the privilege of

626
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,480
being able to host is going to
clean up everything and maybe

627
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,560
collect bail money at some point
for any ne'er do well.

628
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,800
So I I think that it's I think
it actually kind of works in

629
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520
that energy to it.
But yeah, I mean, the one thing

630
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,880
that I kept noting because I
didn't watch two or three before

631
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,600
this was just how made for TV.
It.

632
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Yeah.
And also, like, during this time

633
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,800
period, you were also seeing an
influx of kind of like this

634
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,880
radio show, Cullen culture
really kicking off too.

635
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,400
And so it feels very rooted in
the time.

636
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,040
I'm trying to think when talk
radio came out the and I think

637
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,640
it was first a stage play and
then a film with Eric Besigian.

638
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,320
I want to say like 8788 but
maybe I'm jumping the gun.

639
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,320
I think that's right.
I think that's right.

640
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,760
That's the Oliver Stone movie.
But yeah, 88.

641
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,880
OK, And I am a sucker for the
set in the radio station like

642
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,840
talk show host, like I am a
soccer for that format.

643
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,880
I do enjoy that.
Ponty Pool fan.

644
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,040
I like ponty pool.
Ponty pool is like pretty damn.

645
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,360
I do too.
I like that movie too.

646
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,800
You know that too.
I mean, my background, like when

647
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,640
I was, I had just graduated
college, I had a radio show in

648
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:17,160
college and so I went on and a
job producing a morning show in

649
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,680
Des Moines.
And so I love the energy.

650
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,680
But at the same time, you know,
there's a there's a huge

651
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,640
difference between trying to
make this a call in show with an

652
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,600
actual like medical professional
and have that expertise and

653
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,720
where they butt heads.
Again, I think that the MVP of

654
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,520
this movie is CCH founder for.
Sure.

655
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,760
Her line delivery had me on the
floor.

656
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,320
She's so good.
She's so good.

657
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,200
She understood the assignment.
Yeah.

658
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Yes, she does.
Yeah, I, I think, Nicole, when

659
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,440
it comes to Garris, I'm closer
to you.

660
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,480
I'm like somewhere in the Meadow
where his directing, like role

661
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
is like this directing jobs
wouldn't give him the label.

662
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,400
But there's something to be said
about being able to assemble all

663
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,560
that talent around it.
And not just, you know, do the

664
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,160
hosting the dinners or you get
together on a Sunday.

665
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,240
Although I mean, like, let's
face it, getting that many

666
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,240
people together in one place for
a few hours to shoot the shit

667
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:29,160
every week, it's no small task.
But then to turn that into, you

668
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,840
know, a series that like runs
for two years on Showtime and

669
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,560
then evolves and runs for a year
is fear itself on network

670
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,720
television.
That's like not a small task.

671
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,520
And then he's the executive
producer of Hocus Pocus.

672
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,880
I think he said he like pitched
it about a dozen years.

673
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,240
He wrote the first draft, so the
movie that the movie that ended

674
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,200
up being made is very different
from what he wrote.

675
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,160
I think he served as one of the
producers.

676
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,800
Yeah, he's well, yeah.
And his his podcast, which like

677
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,880
it wrapped up in I think 2024,
like his interview, like it's a

678
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,800
different skill set, but like
was one of the best at bringing

679
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,720
all this talent into the studio
to just talk about them, about

680
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,280
their histories and their
techniques.

681
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,520
The, I just listened to the
episode on with Shane Black and

682
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,400
Fred Decker to talk about the
Monster Squad.

683
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,960
And then kind of just talking
about like basically living in a

684
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,560
punk house and everybody kind of
just like assembling under one

685
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
roof while they're trying to get
their projects off the ground.

686
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,400
Was like a really fascinating
interview, so.

687
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,840
I used a lot, yeah.
I used a lot of stuff from

688
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,480
postmortem in my early writing.
Stuff, in particular the Mike

689
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,040
Flanagan episode.
Where from around when Doctor

690
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Sleep came out was a really good
one for some of the stuff that I

691
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,800
wrote.
Obviously the Wes Craven

692
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,560
interview, which was from when
it was a television show was was

693
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,280
key in, you know, some of my Wes
Craven writing too.

694
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040
But as far as directing goes,
he's sort of adequate.

695
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,320
I think that like the stand, I
remember I enjoy the stand for

696
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,320
example as.
A miniseries?

697
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,960
Does it go for the jugular?
Well, no, but it's also ATV

698
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,960
movie, so how much can it really
do?

699
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,080
So you know, I think he is one
of those directors that I think

700
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,280
of as competent.
He can get, he can put a film

701
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,640
together, you know, but he's not
going to add much to it.

702
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,080
That's going to make it really
sing, you know, like like 1,

703
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,200
like one of the really greats.
Though I have to say, when I

704
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,000
watch Critters 2 for the first
time, I was like, wow.

705
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,480
I mean, it's actually pretty
solid little horror movie,

706
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,080
little monster movie.
You know, it's very, it's he was

707
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,520
able to balance that comedy with
the with some, you know, cool

708
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,080
scares really well.
And I have AII think that's

709
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,200
probably my favorite movie of
his, to be honest.

710
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Yeah.
But you know, he was sort of

711
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,240
Stephen King's guy forever,
right?

712
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,200
I think he has officially made
more Stephen King adaptations

713
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,640
than anyone else.
Would not be surprised.

714
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,280
Yeah, and, you know, they're,
they're all just kind of fine.

715
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,960
I mean, like the Shining TV
series kind of has the same sort

716
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,920
of problems as The Stand 1, you
know, where it's just sort of a

717
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,000
little milk toast.
But that's not necessarily his

718
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,320
fault, but it is what it is.
Yeah.

719
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,400
That's what network television
at that time, you just couldn't

720
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,320
really go for it.
And so it would be interesting

721
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,640
to see.
I I don't know if he's got

722
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,680
another any more directing in
him.

723
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,320
And I don't know if he would
really be called upon for it at

724
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,920
this point, but, you know, so
he's.

725
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Yeah.
Is master of horror?

726
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,720
I don't think so necessarily,
but mostly for for what he has

727
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:12,320
done outside of actual
filmmaking.

728
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,560
I don't know, like because like
I always think of him like

729
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,640
because I always used to listen
to post mortem really great

730
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
conversations, even like the
question and answer episodes

731
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,920
with him.
And he'd be talking about things

732
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,960
like I'd be really interested
what he'd say.

733
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,800
And then like later I'd go back
and watch the thing he was

734
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,240
talking about and go, Oh yeah, I
don't like this at all.

735
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,440
I think this and Sleepwalkers
are probably my favorite things

736
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,120
he's done.
Like Sleepwalkers has like a

737
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,200
camp value that I could
appreciate and it.

738
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,120
Was like, I've heard that.
Yeah, I've heard that about

739
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,000
sleepwalkers.
Actually, It's one that I've.

740
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,760
It's on the watch list.
I just haven't gotten around to,

741
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,560
you know, yeah.
What interests me like with this

742
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040
is like, well, it was like
reading up today.

743
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920
Is that because I always think
he must be this nice guy that

744
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,000
everyone loves because like you
do like, so when you used to

745
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,360
hearing someone talking in that
nice way and having these

746
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,160
interesting conversations, you
do think that about him.

747
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,800
But I was reading what we call
it like just on Wikipedia

748
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,280
because I can't read properly.
But like that, like, while this

749
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,800
was being filmed, there was
like, a lot of like, creative

750
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,160
arguments between him and like
Anthony Perkins.

751
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,840
That's my next note.
Yeah, which was let's.

752
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,400
Talk about it.
Yeah, which was kind of

753
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,320
interesting because like
obviously Anthony Perkins

754
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,800
directed the last one.
We were saying that you were

755
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,560
saying that, like, everyone on
the cast and crew really got on

756
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,160
with him and thought and like,
even though he was under the

757
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,120
pressure, he was bringing a lot
to it creatively, whereas a bit

758
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,720
more friction with this one.
And like, like, you do wonder

759
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,360
how it is for Perkins because
last time he went from, like,

760
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,760
total control to like, just
being the actor guy again.

761
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,040
And he did make it.
So I wonder how much of it is

762
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,400
was he was seeing Gareth's
decisions to go now this would

763
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,720
be a bit better.
And like, like, and like, you

764
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,880
know, like, like you have the
argument when the suggestions

765
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,720
aren't being taken on board in
it.

766
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,600
So yeah.
Garrus has been really open

767
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,560
about how difficult Perkins was
to deal with.

768
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,160
And he does it in this like
really polite way.

769
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,200
Like if you listen to the
director's commentary of Cycle

770
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,760
4, it's fascinating because
like, he brings all the

771
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,840
receipts.
But like, to your point Canal,

772
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,560
he has such a soft, gentle
delivery where he's like, well,

773
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,440
you know, Anthony, he want to
direct this movie.

774
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,280
But, and I think the quote I
have, Cycle 3 was a commercial

775
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,560
and critical disaster.
So that ended any chance of

776
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,760
Perkins returning to the
directors chair.

777
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,880
And for him to use the word like
disaster is such a direct shot

778
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560
at Perkins.
It's kind of amazing.

779
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,920
To your point, like one of the
things that Garris relayed was

780
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,720
at telling Perkins like, well, I
want the tone of four to be

781
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,240
different than three.
I really don't want to play it

782
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,240
for camp.
And that caused Perkins to hold

783
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,160
up the shooting for over 40
minutes while everybody stood

784
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,200
around to debate Garris on like,
well, what do you mean by camp?

785
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,760
Like define camp for me.
Give me specific examples of

786
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,120
part three that were camp.
And Garris is just like, what?

787
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,000
What have I done?
Like, why did I have to even

788
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,520
open my mouth up?
He would frequently hold up the

789
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,080
shoot over, like just single
words of the script.

790
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,000
Like, why are we using this
word?

791
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,160
I think Norman would say this or
he would deliver it this way.

792
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Henry Thomas, who plays young
Norman, said.

793
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Like he met with Perkins once
and he came out of it thinking

794
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,680
like he didn't really want to
give me any advice.

795
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,560
And I was like, well, just play
it like you think and hit your

796
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,640
lines and hit your Marks and you
just, you know, play it within

797
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,240
the lines but make it your own.
And Thomas is like, I get the

798
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,160
feeling he didn't really want to
give me any advice at all and

799
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,800
really didn't want to be there
at all.

800
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,440
So he didn't come out of there
with a great feeling on that.

801
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,760
The other stories that came out
was like, Perkins would go on

802
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,280
the amusement park rides at the
time because they're testing

803
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520
them out with other crew
members.

804
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,440
And then just kind of like, what
do you think the point of that

805
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,160
ride was?
Like, what are they trying to

806
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,280
convey in this ride?
Like what is just like they're

807
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,080
like, I think Olivia Hussey and
the director and the

808
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,920
commentators, like, yeah, he was
a bit strange.

809
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,040
Like he was a bit of a man.
Sadly, it's at this time that he

810
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,920
is diagnosed with his HIV
positive.

811
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,560
Like, he's going to pass away
just a couple years after that,

812
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,760
at a time when there were not
any positive outcomes or

813
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,440
treatments for the disease.
And there was also a ton of like

814
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,480
stigma and shame around it,
especially for gay men.

815
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,280
And not only is Perkins having
to receive treatment during the

816
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,840
shooting of this movie, which
I'm sure is, let's face it, it's

817
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,680
going to affect your mood.
It's going to affect your

818
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,480
performance.
But he's also having to try to

819
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,680
keep that secret as, like, the
tabloids, like the National

820
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,800
Enquirer are, you know, running
headlines like Psychostar is,

821
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,800
has and would like, talk about,
like, his past relationships in,

822
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,920
like, very lurid,
sensationalized terms.

823
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,920
So you're having to deal with
all of that as well.

824
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Like it could not have been fun
for him to like shoot this movie

825
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,560
for a lot of reasons.
Yeah, and there was like a lot

826
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,800
of like, there was like a lot of
like homophobia and homophobic

827
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,000
rhetoric, like tied in with like
the sort of narrative around

828
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,760
like flipping HIV and AIDS at
the time.

829
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,240
So like, well, is it, you know
what?

830
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,040
I'm not flipping surprised.
What, you recall that he

831
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,080
flipping took a bit of exception
to like, like camp as a word in

832
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,760
particular.
Yeah, like I could see why

833
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,720
that'd be a.
What do you mean by that?

834
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,640
Well.
And I think that another piece

835
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,600
to this too is knowing that he
passed away so shortly after

836
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:15,920
making this movie and what he
was experiencing going through

837
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,720
it health wise, You're
committing this to film.

838
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,760
This is basically documenting
you in a really bad state

839
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,640
physically and mentally and
knowing that like trying to come

840
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:37,680
in, give a performance, but your
body not always being up to the

841
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,960
task and having that as cemented
on film for ages.

842
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,480
And I, I think that we don't
talk about that aspect enough

843
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,920
when we talk about, you know, an
actor's final film where, you

844
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,560
know, we will go in and maybe
make a commentary on how they

845
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:04,000
appear or maybe energy levels
and understand, you know, what

846
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,560
they're going through.
I mean, I think the most recent

847
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:12,000
example of this would be like
Chadwick Boseman, where people

848
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,440
would just go on and on about,
you know, how he looked after

849
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:26,880
Black Panther and realizing the
kind of horrific illness that he

850
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,680
was battling at that time.
He was doing so to keep it

851
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,360
private.
So I, you know, it is hard to

852
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,760
kind of divorce that from I
think this film as well because

853
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,840
it's just, you know, it's just
kind of that mark on it as well.

854
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,640
Yeah.
On the flip side of that,

855
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,960
Steven, you've been kind enough
to add to our notes and

856
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,680
unfortunately, I didn't see this
until now, so I will edit in

857
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:03,440
here a serial commercial that
Anthony Perkins was a pitchman

858
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,240
for in 1990 as well, which is
kind of amazing because he leans

859
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,800
into, if I think I've seen this
commercial, you definitely have,

860
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:17,440
he leans into like being Norman
Bates to sell small children

861
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,520
sugary breakfast cereal in the
morning.

862
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,480
I always do what mother tells
me, but I never could eat

863
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,920
oatmeal until I found oatmeal
Raisin crisp.

864
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,320
Now this is oatmeal made my way.
Crispy flakes with oatmeal, a

865
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,720
bit of brown sugar and loaded
with raisins and omelets.

866
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,320
Oatmeal Raisin crisp.
It's scary how good it tastes.

867
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,600
Oatmeal crisp.
Oatmeal Raisin crisp.

868
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,680
Look, mother, I'm eating my
oatmeal now.

869
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:52,080
That's a good boy.
It's something called oatmeal

870
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,600
Raisin crisp.
And the whole pan at the end is

871
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,040
look, mom, look, mother, I'm
eating my oatmeal.

872
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,960
And then like there's a pan up
the stairs in the shadow of a

873
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,400
rocking chair with yes, that's a
good boy.

874
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,720
And it pans back down to him and
he kind of shrugs and takes a

875
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,960
bite.
But like it's set in the psycho

876
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,240
kitchen.
He reaches into like a cabinet

877
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:12,520
very similar to the one that he
pulled the tea out oven psycho 2

878
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,040
and pulls out a box of cereal.
He goes to open a cupboard and

879
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,600
there's a giant knife that he
almost reaches for, then grabs a

880
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,600
spoon next to it like it's.
Yeah, it's very much like

881
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,240
playing.
Into the whole psycho.

882
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Thing and it's it's fun to watch
in retrospect, but.

883
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,640
You have the audio for it here.
I just like to think that in the

884
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,200
there was a time where you could
have seen this commercial and

885
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,600
then Robert Loja pitching orange
juice back-to-back and then you

886
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,560
could, like, bother your mom
that you want like this cereal

887
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,400
and some tangerine OJ for
breakfast.

888
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,320
Yeah.
I don't believe you.

889
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,720
I just, I want to know what that
kid is doing now.

890
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,800
Like, I want to interview that
kid for the show.

891
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,560
That that kid was amazing.
Hey.

892
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,760
That kid, if you're listening,
reach out.

893
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,400
Let us know.
Casting Olivia Hussey was always

894
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,720
the first choice to play Norma,
despite not being able to pull

895
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:14,720
off an American accent, which
she was very open about.

896
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,400
Like, she's like, I can do
Russian.

897
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,520
I can do like, Eastern European,
I can do Russian, but I can't do

898
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,440
American.
And they were like, it's fine,

899
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,080
Don't worry.
They're like, yeah, Bates sounds

900
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,960
British enough.
So, you know, she was first, you

901
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,520
know, burst onto the scene in
the late 60s playing Juliet in

902
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Romeo and Juliet.
And awakening so many young boys

903
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,040
to look.
Careful there because she is

904
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,400
underage.
She named so.

905
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,480
Yeah, we watched it in English
class in a Catholic High School

906
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,680
with the nudity.
So Brother Ernie, thank you.

907
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,320
But I would agree.
Thank you so much.

908
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,240
Brother Ernie was the dude who
showed it to us.

909
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,280
He was like, yeah, it's
tasteful.

910
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,320
So.
Are you going to submit that to

911
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,960
the to the new Pope as like one
of his terms for canonization

912
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,560
or?
I could showed and gave us a

913
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,120
sexual awakening with a young
Olivia Hussey.

914
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,040
Also like probably for the fans
of this show, like best known

915
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,840
for Black Christmas, Black 70s.
Of course.

916
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,320
She would go from that to
playing Mary in Jesus of.

917
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,120
Jesus.
Of Jesus in the television

918
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,600
series Audra.
Which is actually, I mean,

919
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,120
honestly, if I'm gonna watch a
miniseries on Jesus, that's a

920
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,520
pretty good one, actually.
I was gonna say one of the good

921
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,200
ones.
Yeah, there's a lot of bad Jesus

922
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,560
stuff out there back.
Then in the 70s, miniseries was

923
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,640
huge, like you were gonna get.
It was 20. 30 million people to

924
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,920
tune in.
So it was not a small like they

925
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,880
weren't cheap.
Right.

926
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,440
And I mean, that was kind of the
era of the Jesus project too.

927
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,080
There were so many boiling up in
the 70s.

928
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,440
That's which maybe someday
someone will let me write about

929
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,040
that, but I would I would love
to to take a deep dive in to

930
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,600
shoot your shot.
What was in the do that?

931
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,920
I have nowhere to shoot that
shot, Mike.

932
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,880
I'm shooting it here.
This is me shooting the shot.

933
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,520
Well, the same year she appears
as Norma Bates.

934
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,360
She also plays Audra in the IT
made for television.

935
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,760
Made for television.
Series.

936
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,000
Oh, that's right.
Which?

937
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,200
I just watched for the first
time not that long ago.

938
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,720
Which to me, why is she playing
Audra and not Beverly?

939
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,600
Because Beverly is supposed to
be like one of the most

940
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,880
beautiful women anyone has ever
seen.

941
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,080
And no shots fired to Annette
O'Toole, whose love was.

942
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Going to say.
But come on, I think you can lay

943
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,240
a legitimate claim that Olivia
Hussey is one of the most

944
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,960
beautiful people to ever have
walked the face of the earth,

945
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,920
right?
Certainly, but Annette O'Toole

946
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,200
has something that Olivia Hussey
doesn't have, which is red hair.

947
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,880
Yeah, that's that's why hair dye
exists.

948
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,560
Look, I'm just saying.
I'm just throwing that out

949
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,080
there.
Yeah.

950
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,280
Now we've gotten quite.
I'm, I'm, I'm, you know what?

951
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,960
I'm I I'm glad they're both in
the movie.

952
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:03,080
That's all I'm going to say.
I just might reverse the roles

953
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,160
there, but I just think she's
absolutely lovely.

954
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,400
Livia Hussey also appear in the
1978 Death on the Nile film as

955
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,720
well.
Yeah, yeah.

956
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:18,280
And she was.
Also offered a flom role and

957
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:25,080
fatal attraction as well so but
she actually I think backed out

958
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,520
when she got to the rabbit scene
so respect.

959
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,040
Her.
Was she going to play the Glenn

960
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,360
Close role?
Really.

961
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,120
Huh.
She could do it.

962
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,800
I mean, she could pull it off.
I think you see that here.

963
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,560
That's.
Yeah.

964
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,080
Roll's not too far different
from Glenn.

965
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,160
Cult close and Yeah.
Favorite attraction here so.

966
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,440
She's got it in her.
Interesting, you know?

967
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,120
What are your thoughts on Olivia
Hussey?

968
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,600
She could do that old school
like sort of furious woman type

969
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,440
acting like brilliantly, like
because like flipping, like she

970
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,720
sounds English, but she's like
like I think she's Argentinian

971
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,000
in it.
Artigen, like one parent's

972
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,360
Argentinian and one's British,
and I think she grew up and

973
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,840
she's probably.
A bit of that energy like

974
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,760
flipping and and it worked.
It's not necessarily the most

975
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,800
realistic form of acting, but
it's a very entertaining form of

976
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,120
acting that I find very
enjoyable to watch.

977
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,520
I mean, it's Faye Dunaway in,
not Whatever happened to Baby

978
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,120
Jane.
Faye Dunaway in Why can't I

979
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,000
think of the.
Name of the, the the.

980
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,000
Mommy Dearest.
Yes, it's Faye, Dunaway and

981
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,600
Mommy.
Dearest, Speaking of camp.

982
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,720
Yeah, going big.
The wire hangers.

983
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:47,480
Ever also playing opposite her
Henry Thomas, like only less

984
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,000
than a decade off of playing
Elliot, the boy that everybody

985
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000
loved in ET.
Right.

986
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,680
Like a much different different
role here.

987
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,080
I think struggling to be able to
get roles at this point because

988
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,720
he was so iconic in ET.
You know this cute little kid

989
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:10,280
and now I remember he did the
quest after that or frog

990
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,200
dreaming depending on where you
live.

991
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,640
You saw it under whatever title
cloak and.

992
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,440
Dagger.
Cloak and dagger, yeah.

993
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,520
With our team behind Psycho 2.
Yeah, yeah.

994
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,440
But I remember him disappearing
for a while and yes.

995
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,000
He didn't stay in Hollywood.
Like, I actually I put notes to

996
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,720
like an article from the Mirror
from like, I think 20 here where

997
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,720
he says, like, after ET came
out, he kind of freaked out

998
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,360
because, like, yeah, he was like
pawned over, pawn over.

999
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,920
Like he couldn't go anywhere.
And he's still a kid.

1000
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,800
And he's a kid from like a small
town in rural Texas.

1001
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,080
So he actually he says, like,
after like the movie came out, I

1002
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,720
went back home and I just went
back to school because he found

1003
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,440
all the attention so, like,
overwhelming.

1004
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,720
And he says when he went back to
school, he got bullied.

1005
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,960
Like, kids would shove his head
in toilets.

1006
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,280
They would pick on him and they.
Lloyd from Star Wars Episode One

1007
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,840
said the same kinds of things,
right?

1008
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,000
But he says a lot of it was
like, why are you back here?

1009
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Like, why are you still here?
Like, do you think you're better

1010
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,680
than us?
So he tried to avoid Hollywood

1011
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,760
as best he could.
He said it just wasn't his

1012
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,720
scene, per SE.
So he wanted to kind of avoid

1013
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,960
all that.
And it's really not been till

1014
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,840
like the last.
I mean, he had a lot of like

1015
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,800
character acting roles, but it's
really been like the last 10

1016
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,560
years, like he's hooked up with
Mike Flanagan and he's become

1017
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,640
like a critical part of that
ensemble that he's had like a a

1018
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,880
bit of a renaissance here as
like a guy in his like late 40s

1019
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,360
and 50s.
Yeah, well, and I kind of think

1020
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,880
maybe it was wise of him to sort
of recede from Hollywood for a

1021
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,440
while because so, I mean, that
machine just chews up so many

1022
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,520
kids.
I mean, you see, I mean, his Co

1023
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,240
star in ET, boy, did she, you
know, Drew Barrymore had a real

1024
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:07,000
tough go for a long time.
And when she finally was able to

1025
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,000
re emerge and reinvent herself
and clean up, I mean, she was

1026
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:16,720
she was, you know, she's been
pretty open about her addictions

1027
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,120
and all that when she was in her
teen years.

1028
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,800
And it's just like, wow, I mean,
that that she's able to come

1029
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,800
out.
The other side of that is, you

1030
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,280
know, not everyone does.
Let's put it that way.

1031
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,640
Go ahead, Nicole.
And I would also add another

1032
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,760
interesting thing with Henry
Thomas of it all was that he

1033
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,160
would go on to date Olivia
Hussey's daughter.

1034
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,480
I did not know this.
Yeah.

1035
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:55,480
That's not weird at all.
You know, I, I, it's

1036
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:01,600
interesting, but yeah, obviously
quite a, quite a age gap

1037
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,320
relationship, but I guess it
could be worse.

1038
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,600
Wait, age gap relationship
between he and Hussey's

1039
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,880
daughter?
What?

1040
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,480
Do they be around the same age
ish?

1041
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:25,560
No.
So currently Henry is 54 and the

1042
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,440
daughter India is 32.
Oh, we don't like that.

1043
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,360
Oh, that's not oh, that's that's
yeah.

1044
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,960
OK, OK.
Henry, how are you doing?

1045
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,600
Context that we OK, yeah,
context that we were all

1046
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,920
missing.
Yeah.

1047
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,840
Okay.
In a in a last devastating Henry

1048
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,000
Thomas news, one thing that I do
find quite distracted about his

1049
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,280
performance of Norman is Norman
and anytime he's in the dress

1050
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,360
looks like Austin Powers can
now.

1051
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,080
Behave.
I never made that connection and

1052
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,360
now I probably am not going to
be able to not.

1053
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,880
See it, you will never Unsee it.
Yeah.

1054
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Yeah, couple other quick casting
notes, like CCH Pounder as Fran

1055
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,120
Ambrose, the radio host.
I know her best from The Shield,

1056
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,560
but where she's like, like one
of the, you know, only good cops

1057
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,480
in the district.
She's kind of a foil to Michael

1058
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,360
Chiklis, Victoria Mackey, more
recently, the Avatar movies,

1059
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,600
Like she's been in those.
And she's fantastic in the Naked

1060
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,960
Gun reboot as the police.
She's chief like.

1061
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Right, got some.
Great comedic jobs there.

1062
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,640
She's someone who's just always
solid.

1063
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,160
Like you're never gonna see a
bad performance from CCH

1064
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,560
Pounder.
She's great.

1065
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,360
She's consistently great.
Love her in everything I've ever

1066
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,640
seen her in.
And she's also just for, you

1067
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,160
know, my fellow comic book
nerds, the voice of Amanda

1068
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,680
Waller in the in the Arkham
games, which.

1069
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,600
OK, is.
The role that Viola Davis plays

1070
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,040
in the DCU right now, so she's
very good.

1071
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,360
All right.
Excuse me.

1072
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,560
All right, Quick note, Warren
Frost, Like I'm watching him in

1073
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,000
the role of the psychiatrist
here.

1074
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,840
I'm like, where do I know this
guy from?

1075
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,640
Like, he has that face and that
voice and then it hit me like he

1076
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,960
is best.
Well, to me is best known as

1077
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,520
like Susan Ross's cranky dad in
Seinfeld.

1078
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,000
So he's the father.
He has to be here with John

1079
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,240
Cheebers.
So yeah, he's also the dad of

1080
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,520
Twin Peaks Co creator Mark
Frost.

1081
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,080
So just throwing that out there.
He played Doc Hayward on that

1082
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,080
show as well.
Lara from Boyle's character's

1083
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,200
father.
OK, fun fact, the grace of

1084
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,800
Brisky, who plays his wife on
Seinfeld, was also a twin peak

1085
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,200
regular as Laura Palmer's
mother.

1086
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,480
So.
And I love that connection.

1087
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,280
And you happen to be wearing
your David Lynch shirt at this

1088
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,960
moment.
As I am want to do.

1089
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,720
Honor of 1 Warren Frost.
I almost did myself.

1090
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,960
Yeah, you know.
You had to go salty today,

1091
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:03,840
Brian.
Yeah.

1092
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,360
I I had one more casting note
here.

1093
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,400
Garry's friend and fellow
director John Landis.

1094
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,040
He has a supporting role as the
station producer.

1095
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,720
And for the record, Cycle 4 has
a character body count of four,

1096
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,480
which is only slightly higher
than the number of actual deaths

1097
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,080
on a John Landis film set, which
is 3.

1098
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,480
So to be fair to John Landis, he
was only filming 1 segment of

1099
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,400
The Twilight Zone and if he were
to direct the whole movie, I'm

1100
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,840
sure with a little effort he
could have gotten that body

1101
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,720
count a bit higher than three.
Mike not a good and I hate to

1102
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,320
say that because John Landis has
directed some of my favorite

1103
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,880
movies of all time.
Your favorite movie of all time?

1104
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,840
American were open London and
the stretch of films he direct

1105
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,000
that his directing stretch from
the mid 70s or the early is I

1106
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,760
think it's on par with anybody's
best work.

1107
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720
But you can't.
You're going to get dinged.

1108
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,520
A few points of three members of
your cast get murdered on.

1109
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,800
Set more than a few, more than a
few.

1110
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,600
Yeah.
I will say Landis showing up in

1111
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,560
this movie was the only real
jump scare in this movie for me

1112
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,320
doing here.
I was like, holy shit, John

1113
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,160
Landis, what the fuck?
All the people, right, was just

1114
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,640
not expecting it.
And then it happened and I just

1115
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,960
had to sit there and let it
happen to me and I, you know.

1116
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,840
And he's in it a bunch.
Like he doesn't go away.

1117
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,800
Like he's in it.
He's got lines and dialogue and.

1118
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,120
And he looks like John Landis.
I mean like he's wearing like,

1119
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,600
do you ever see?
Was he wearing a suit?

1120
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,480
Suit and the beard and the glass
trying to hide.

1121
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,200
It at all?
Yeah.

1122
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,840
He's like, hey, hey, it's a me,
John Landis.

1123
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,400
So all right, let's move on from
one disaster to another.

1124
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,120
Let's talk about this movie,
Psycho Boy.

1125
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,560
Max Landis.
Oh God.

1126
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,920
One disaster to another.
You would have thought like that

1127
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,400
Twilight Zone would have been
his biggest disaster.

1128
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,280
But then there's Max going.
It's a me Max Landis.

1129
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,080
Do we keep this?
Do we edit it?

1130
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,880
I think we keep this.
Just, you know, listeners.

1131
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,120
You do not, in fact, have to
hand it to Max Landis.

1132
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,920
You don't.
Do not.

1133
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,040
You don't.
Unless that thing you're handing

1134
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,560
him is a grenade, that pin has
been.

1135
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,200
Pulled that?
You've recently pulled the pin.

1136
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,720
On yeah, maybe.
Or like a bag of flaming poop.

1137
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,800
So all right, folks, where do we
want to start talking about this

1138
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,960
movie?
And that's our episode.

1139
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,960
All right, there we go.
I mean, do we want to start

1140
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,560
talking about?
Do we do?

1141
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,560
I'll, I'll bring this up early.
I just want to get off of my

1142
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:43,520
chest that the APA guide of like
the American Psychiatry

1143
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,800
Association's ethical
guidelines, they would come down

1144
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,440
very heavily on Norman and his
wife or his wife specifically

1145
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,760
for this relationship.
And I actually did bring up the

1146
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,040
guidelines, the ethical
principles behind it here.

1147
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:04,240
Section 10 dash 8.8 Sexual
intimacies with former therapy

1148
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,080
clients and patients.
Psychologists do not engage in

1149
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:13,080
sexual intimacies with former
clients or patients for at least

1150
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,040
two years after cessation or
termination of therapy.

1151
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,280
B Psychologists do not engage in
sexual intimacies with former

1152
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:26,040
clients patients even after a 2
year interval, except in the

1153
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,840
most unusual of circumstances.
Psychologists who engage in such

1154
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,600
activity after two years of
cessation following cessation or

1155
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,880
termination of therapy and of
having no sexual contact with

1156
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,960
the former client patient, bear
the burden of demonstrating

1157
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,320
there has been no exploitation
in all light of all relevant

1158
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,360
factors including blah blah blah
blah.

1159
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,120
So yeah, basically.
This has come out before or

1160
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,920
after the Michelle remember
situation you're.

1161
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,360
You're well the movie he says
like he was a patient.

1162
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,400
They fell in love their on site.
So I think this is during the

1163
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,760
ongoing treatment and that has
happened by the way there have.

1164
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:12,640
Been the APA stance on treating
the your grandson, who's also

1165
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,880
the murderer of your daughter.
They're moving him into her

1166
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,600
bedroom and then taking them
onto a talk radio show to talk

1167
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,240
about it.
Can you do that?

1168
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,760
I don't have that there you.
Don't have that pulled up ready

1169
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,240
at hand.
She was a real.

1170
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,520
One of the weirdest setups of
this whole.

1171
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,920
She was a world.
Class bitch.

1172
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:35,880
Yeah, that.
Man.

1173
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:38,440
Daughter.
Man.

1174
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,840
So my favorite, one of my
favorite lines from CCH in this

1175
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:50,440
movie is when she is really like
kind of playing that smarmy, you

1176
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,280
know, I'm doing it for the the
clout.

1177
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,920
I'm doing it for the attention.
I want to get all kind of this

1178
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,520
notoriety.
Shock jock kind of stuff.

1179
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,600
Yeah.
And then, you know, the Doctor

1180
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:11,440
Who is needs to be evaluated
has, you know, he's like, well,

1181
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,680
I can't believe you'd want to
continue without the medical

1182
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,600
expertise.
And she's like, maybe he doesn't

1183
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:20,040
need medical expertise.
And this makes me laugh because

1184
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,319
he where where was the medical
expertise?

1185
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,040
When did that even enter the
chat?

1186
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:34,840
Is it in the room with us?
I don't think that it's either

1187
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:42,439
present or has ever been part of
Norman's world of adequate

1188
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:48,160
mental health care for someone
who is in desperate, desperate

1189
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,439
need of it.
So I, I almost kind of side with

1190
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,359
her.
It's I will side with CCA

1191
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,040
founder no matter what she's
selling.

1192
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:03,160
But I was like, yeah, maybe,
maybe you're right.

1193
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:09,120
Maybe we just dox him and we go
to his house and we flank him

1194
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,640
for an interview and we do all
these things.

1195
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,399
So I don't know.
I trying to apply I think any

1196
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:23,040
kind of nuance to like the
expertise and the the nice touch

1197
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:27,840
that it brings to mental health
and treatment and therapy goes

1198
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:32,560
out the window pretty much 3
seconds in and I love for that.

1199
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,279
It doesn't do anything beyond
that.

1200
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,200
It doesn't try to be.
It doesn't really want to be.

1201
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,200
So kudos.
Well, so the.

1202
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,080
Movie can happen, yeah.
And it's funny because like

1203
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,640
Pounder's character, like Fred
Ambrose, the host is not a shock

1204
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,319
jock per SE.
Like she's trying to approach it

1205
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:58,680
from a let's have a discussion,
keeps an even tone, doesn't try

1206
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,480
to sensationalize the content
while it's on the air.

1207
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,800
She just kind of lets it play
out and it's sensational enough

1208
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,040
on its own.
But you're right, like this is

1209
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,080
all about like getting the
ratings like this at the end of

1210
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,640
the day, keeping Norman Bates on
the line is like really good for

1211
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:16,920
ratings.
Yeah.

1212
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:22,360
I mean, that looks a lot
different now that we have the

1213
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:27,960
capacities that we do.
Then when this was made and when

1214
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:35,400
you had that really kind of that
talk show format in radio, you

1215
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,560
don't really see a lot of that
anymore.

1216
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,960
It's really kind of been usurped
by podcasts.

1217
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,440
Yeah.
And that way.

1218
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:47,880
And so, you know, I kind of like
long for that because that's

1219
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:54,760
what my radio show was, which,
again, really bad idea to give a

1220
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,000
college student, like, the keys
to the station and be like,

1221
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,320
yeah, if you want to have a talk
show, have people call in on

1222
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,880
Friday night.
No, don't have them do that

1223
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,160
ever.
It won't.

1224
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,200
You're going to get some really
interesting calls.

1225
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,840
What was weird?
What was one of the weirder

1226
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,200
calls that you would have
gotten?

1227
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:23,000
So we only stuck with this
format for a very short time.

1228
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,560
Yeah.
But I remember, you know, I

1229
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,160
would get, I remember getting a
call to be like, hey, when you

1230
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,080
are playing music, can you play
the song?

1231
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,720
Also, I'm locked out of my dorm
room and I think that my

1232
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,200
roommate is sleeping with my
boyfriend.

1233
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,240
I'm like, well, that sounds like
a you problem.

1234
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,000
Now I'm going to put on some
Radiohead, so.

1235
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:56,000
I mean, I haven't.
I hadn't completed my psych

1236
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,000
courses.
I was a baby.

1237
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,360
That's so mean, wow.
I was like, well, that's.

1238
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,120
The problem and I'm going to.
Play this song by OK.

1239
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,720
Is Tara Reid an urban legend
based off you?

1240
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,640
Wow.
Like, like, were you the

1241
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,600
inspiration for that character?
Kinda no.

1242
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:22,280
No, because she like she got
like she got a little hot and

1243
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:28,360
heavy.
And so I went to a, even though

1244
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,200
it was a Methodist related
school, which is what I lovingly

1245
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,360
referred to as the slacker
scent.

1246
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,400
Like I still had to be like
nice.

1247
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,680
And so again, like, I had this
idea, like I want to do a talk

1248
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,880
show and the person that was
running this, yes.

1249
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,760
I was like, yeah, that's great.
You want to do it on a Friday

1250
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,720
night?
Sure.

1251
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,360
And then it.
Yeah.

1252
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,880
And then I just ended up doing
like a regular music show after

1253
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,040
a short bit.
But it, yeah, I, I don't know.

1254
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,720
I love it.
Reminds like even like pump up

1255
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:10,000
the volume, stuff like that.
Like, I just love that energy

1256
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:15,680
of, like, an authentic radio
studio and everyone going back

1257
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,280
and forth and what happens
between, you know, when the

1258
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,200
button to go on air is clicked
on or off.

1259
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,560
It's really cool.
But yeah, everyone is a mess.

1260
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:31,800
They're tragic at their jobs
except for CCH and I love it.

1261
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:37,680
I suppose like flipping talk
like talk radios, it's a good

1262
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,640
setup for a film because you've
kind of got built in narrators

1263
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,200
like so I suppose it's good.
But I will say one thing.

1264
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,720
I know it's like early on is
they were going like, oh, we're

1265
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,000
talking about like mattress size
and and this psychologist was

1266
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,360
going like, Oh yeah, we've got
all these treatments That didn't

1267
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,600
stop people like doing it.
Not many people do kill their

1268
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,480
mum twice.
So there's no step mattress size

1269
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,400
like flipping.
So you know what they did well

1270
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,280
to get Norman in, really,
because he's, he's probably one

1271
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,040
of the only people you can talk
to.

1272
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,520
Yeah, it's not a lot, a lot of
population for that, You're

1273
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:14,920
right.
I.

1274
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,480
Was gonna say it's an AM station
too.

1275
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:21,080
So like, the distribution can't
be that wide, right?

1276
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,480
Nicole, you could probably speak
to that more than I, but I

1277
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:25,800
noticed she's about halfway
through the movie, I realized

1278
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,960
she's on an AM station.
I'm like, so he's close, like.

1279
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,080
I was on FM.
My apologies, but I mean with

1280
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,360
your experience in radio, I'm
sure you have more of a

1281
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,360
touchstone than I do with regard
to.

1282
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:44,000
FM on the network she could be
on like a, you know, that that

1283
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,520
was one of those things.
There are, there are a lot of AM

1284
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,880
shows that sort of ended up on a
network and so they had a

1285
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,680
national reach, you know?
Yeah, because I think a lot of

1286
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,480
political shows.
Yeah.

1287
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,320
That way that makes sense I
guess.

1288
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,800
Off of that, but yeah, yeah.
I mean this is like right around

1289
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,280
the time.
Like I think Stern would have

1290
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,640
already been a thing.
Stern and Rush Limbaugh now.

1291
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,960
Viva would have been a thing you
were kind of about to hit.

1292
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,080
I hate to call it like the
golden age of talk radio because

1293
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,360
so much of it was so disruptive
and.

1294
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,280
Destructive.
Yeah.

1295
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,600
But in terms of like the reach
and influence that it had, like

1296
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,800
before there was, and honestly
before there was like Fox News,

1297
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,680
like pumping propaganda 24/7.
It was like the AM radio and

1298
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:37,000
these syndicated talk shows that
like, you know, you would have.

1299
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,960
Absolutely right.
You never really like had like

1300
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,640
pirate radio over there.
Like I did a bit of like.

1301
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,120
No, not really.
Stuff fucking like the thousands

1302
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,680
Like no, that that was FM
Midlands Rush FM.

1303
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,760
I did a couple of shows on OK,
getting on the dubstep show.

1304
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,080
This was like flipping like
would have been about like 2008

1305
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,240
nine, something like that.
Yeah, I like, we had to go to

1306
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,360
this.
We had to like drive to this

1307
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:08,080
like gravel car park in Telford
that was like said industrial

1308
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,480
estate, but it's just like
corrugated Tim buildings that

1309
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,720
would like have welders working
in more whatever.

1310
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:18,240
Yeah, right at the back there
was like flipping like really

1311
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:23,240
small, like like caravan like
like flipping like they're

1312
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,160
living in in Snatch kind of
thing.

1313
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:27,680
Like one of those kind of.
OK, Yeah.

1314
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,040
And like because like normally
like flipping a lot of pirate

1315
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,880
stations, it'd be tower blocks
because if you're getting up at

1316
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,080
a tower block, you get the
transmitter up there.

1317
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,880
This one was like what we call
it, the transmitter was like

1318
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,160
like sort of put up at the back
of this factory.

1319
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,160
And the wires they had like like
clipped to a rope with things on

1320
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,000
it.
And they had like a pair of like

1321
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,800
dirty jeans and like AT shirt
like peg to them.

1322
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,080
So it looked like someone who
was like flipping in the caravan

1323
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,960
was like trying their clothes.
You couldn't sit down in there.

1324
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,880
There was like a washer.
You couldn't sit down because

1325
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,880
like it all been taken out.
Apart from the room for the

1326
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,080
decks was a pair of like 12 of
10 turntables.

1327
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,000
You had to like sort of hover
because you couldn't stand up

1328
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,600
straight and sort of mixing it
and you had a mic and like

1329
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,120
flipping old pay as you go
phone.

1330
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:22,320
And like it was like missed
calls for the rewind.

1331
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,400
You know what a rewind is when
when like you pull the record

1332
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,080
back.
It was like flipping.

1333
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,120
If people were listening like
Stoke or whatever, they'd like

1334
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:37,160
give give A1 bell ring to the to
the to the what should we call

1335
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,960
it, the phone number?
And then if you got five, you

1336
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,400
pull the tune back.
That's awesome.

1337
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,160
Yeah, No, that was not right
here.

1338
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,200
That's so.
That's why I like the idea of AM

1339
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,440
radio, because that was FM, like
all the stuff in like the tower

1340
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:53,520
blocks was like FM, all the
stuff in London and that line.

1341
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,520
Yeah.
But they were a but they were AM

1342
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,720
all the pirate stations.
No, we had college radio.

1343
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,000
Like I know, Nicole, you said
you had your college show like I

1344
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,040
did.
A college radio show for 2 1/2

1345
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,240
years.
And it's one of the things that

1346
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:12,240
kind of got me thrown out of my
college because I was going to a

1347
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:16,160
Catholic University.
And I think the song that

1348
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:20,840
finally got me thrown off was
Fuck You Norway by the Showcase

1349
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,640
Showdown, where the chorus is
just fuck you over and over

1350
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,840
again and then fuck you Norway.
And it's really, really catchy.

1351
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,640
Sing along pop pop Pogo pog
hard.

1352
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,640
Hard to imagine you doing
something incendiary in front of

1353
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,280
a microphone that would get you
removed from something, Mike.

1354
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,960
At 1.1 of my friends made
stickers with like the Pope

1355
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,120
masturbating and then he was in
a crosshair and we put those up

1356
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,360
all over campus in the middle of
the night just because.

1357
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,840
No other reason than just why
not.

1358
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,280
So for the.
Lulls, I guess.

1359
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,320
Just for the lulls, the laughs.
Like that was the time when

1360
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,200
Andre has a posse was huge, like
the the I think the Shepherd

1361
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,880
fairly designed like that was
coming out of RISD at the time.

1362
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,920
So like you saw those like just
a close up of Andre's face and

1363
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,000
it was like Andre has a posse
like that was that time.

1364
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:19,840
So OK, the early 90s, what a
time to be alive.

1365
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,840
Anyway, Speaking of the early
90s.

1366
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,960
And Steven, you have a note here
about just the inherent issues

1367
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,040
of it being a prequel.
Yeah, I don't.

1368
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,360
I mean, I've got issues with
prequels as a rule.

1369
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,200
I feel like it's very difficult
to do a prequel well.

1370
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,680
And there are 4.
Major problems I have with

1371
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,840
prequels and I've I've listed
them all here and I think this

1372
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,160
movie kind of embodies all of
them.

1373
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,680
Low stakes.
Obviously, we, we know how

1374
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,400
everything is going to turn out.
So like we know that, you know,

1375
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,800
at the end when Chet is
strangling Norman or that you

1376
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,920
know, Norman and his or and his
mother is trying to start.

1377
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,080
We know how that's going to end.
There's no real state.

1378
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,360
We know that Norman is going to
kill a bunch of people that's

1379
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,240
not surprising for any of us so
I mean and that's the I would

1380
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,120
say probably one of the biggest
problems with sequels next cheap

1381
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,360
fan service.
I hate it.

1382
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,720
I hate cheap fan service.
That thing you like?

1383
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,000
Here's where it comes from.
The member berries of it.

1384
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,640
All the holes in the wall.
Turns out Normans dad put them

1385
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,080
there the.
You know, Norman and Address,

1386
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,760
turns out his mother did that
because of penises and all these

1387
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,440
little kind of weird things that
we see kind of sprinkled

1388
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:28,480
sporadically throughout.
A boys best friend is his

1389
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,040
mother.
Hey, I remember when he said

1390
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,360
that in the first one.
You know, all the cheap fan

1391
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:33,400
service.
I don't like it.

1392
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,960
Inconsistencies and retcons
within the lore, which we've

1393
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,120
kind of touched on already, this
movie kind of ignores all of

1394
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,400
Psycho 2 and 3.
So Norman's age at the time he

1395
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,600
killed his mother, the iced tea
versus hot tea, how he poisoned

1396
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,200
the tea, Like all of those
inconsistencies kind of flare up

1397
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,120
here.
We don't you know, no mention of

1398
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,200
the you know, friend of Norma's
that was like allegedly his

1399
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,440
mother from the Psycho 2 and
three none of that and.

1400
01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:01,480
Stefano just ignores those he
says he completely ignored.

1401
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,160
It's like kind of like one of
the first examples of what we'll

1402
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,320
see in Halloween where depending
on what timeline you're

1403
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,680
watching, like certain movies,
just they don't exist.

1404
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:15,480
Yeah.
Well, and I mean also, but at

1405
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:18,720
the end too, when Norman's
flashing back to all his his

1406
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,800
victims, it's only the four
victims he has in this movie.

1407
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,680
There aren't any victims from
Psycho, Psycho 2 or Psycho 3.

1408
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,880
Like, we're not even trying to
recreate any of that, not

1409
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,560
either.
So like, if you wanted to be,

1410
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,160
you know, totalitarian in it,
you'd include all of those,

1411
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,240
obviously.
But again, no interest from

1412
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,960
Stefan as you sat.
Well, one of the weird things

1413
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,840
is, is is he actually has a
Norman say.

1414
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,560
I've killed almost a dozen
people and it's like, no, you've

1415
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,400
killed like 4.
Yeah.

1416
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,320
Yeah.
You know, in this tie line,

1417
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,200
yeah.
I mean, it's it's like.

1418
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,720
You can add Marion Crane in our
Biast.

1419
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,680
And yeah, so I guess 6 you know,
which I get, you know, because

1420
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,320
we knew about mom and lover.
We knew about that Chet

1421
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,800
apparently was his name, which I
think is ridiculous.

1422
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,440
Agreed.
I'm sorry, that is one of the

1423
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:11,400
dumbest.
It's like I don't get how Norma

1424
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,120
Bates, if that is her real name,
which you know, that does keep

1425
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,640
that keep you wondering because
it's mother calls Norman Norma.

1426
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,720
Yes, when she locks him in the
closet.

1427
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,320
But we don't actually hear that
that is her name.

1428
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,880
So I still like that.
But then Chet, is Missus Bates

1429
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,560
really going to date a guy named
Chet?

1430
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,120
Not only she going to, she did,
Brian, she did.

1431
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,400
Which plays him there Joe but I
I don't know.

1432
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,360
I'm just there there are things
that and and OK so we got them.

1433
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,720
Then we've got the two women
that he killed that were missing

1434
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,240
that are mentioned at the end of
the first movie right.

1435
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,960
And then we have Arbogaston and
Marion Crane.

1436
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,560
Where do we get to a dozen?
I I don't know well.

1437
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,560
You have to include Psycho 2 and
3.

1438
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,240
What do you think, Nicole?
I also think that there's an

1439
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:12,480
interesting So because this is
in a pretty cool world, I was

1440
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:17,000
obviously thinking a lot about
Bates Motel.

1441
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,800
Sure, yeah.
And I love that series because I

1442
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,120
think it gives such a richness
to the character of Norma

1443
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:31,280
particularly.
But I, I really found like some

1444
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,480
of this background really
fitting in more with that series

1445
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:38,880
and what the series leans into
as opposed to anything that the

1446
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,360
film series had done up until
then.

1447
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,800
So it's almost like the creator
of that series went straight to

1448
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,280
four and was like, check,
interesting.

1449
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,320
I dig this and we'll we'll keep
this in the back burner.

1450
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,200
Question is someone who has not
watched Bates Motel, does Norma

1451
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,040
date a chat in Bates Motel?
No.

1452
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,120
OK.
Bates a cop in the first season

1453
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,520
and I can't think of his name.
I don't think it's.

1454
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,600
Shit, Yeah.
One of the one of the things

1455
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,200
that Bates Motel managed to do
as well that was great is that

1456
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:16,360
it doesn't have low stakes
because they change things.

1457
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,960
Yeah.
From from the Canon in that last

1458
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,880
season, which is part of why I
struggled with that last season.

1459
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,920
I don't think I've ever finished
it because there's something

1460
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,680
that happens and I'm like, wait
what?

1461
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,520
That can't happen.
That's not what the way it

1462
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,120
happened because psycho, you
know, psycho happened this way,

1463
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,800
you know, so I'm gonna go back
and I'm gonna try and finish it

1464
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,720
cuz I really did like that
series and so I'm wanting to go

1465
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,160
back and see how it all works
out to.

1466
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,160
Cover it on the patron.
Do we do an hour of it?

1467
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,240
Yes.
All right, I'll reach out to

1468
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,520
that person and maybe that I
think it was Alex and I think

1469
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,760
Alex probably wouldn't mind
guessing on that too.

1470
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,440
So OK, OK, because I've only
watched season 1 and I'm just,

1471
01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:00,200
I'm not going to get through the
next Four Seasons before we get

1472
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:01,200
to that.
So I.

1473
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,560
Know there's.
Also, there's also though a

1474
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,440
piece within the reason I bring
up base Motel.

1475
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:12,520
Is that one of the things that's
a part of that series is the

1476
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:18,200
fact that Norman essentially
blacks out when these things

1477
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:21,720
happen, and it really is a
complete disassociation?

1478
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,840
And.
So, you know, there may be

1479
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:28,320
people that he has murdered and
that he becomes aware of after

1480
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:33,320
the back that he's adding into
this number that he's getting.

1481
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,960
It's hard to say.
So yeah, I would.

1482
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:43,080
I would just, I guess I'm just
saying judging from what we know

1483
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:48,640
of from specifically from Psycho
4 and from Psycho, it's not a

1484
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,920
dozen because you know,
supposedly we know unless he

1485
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,920
blames himself for the death of
his father.

1486
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,480
I don't.
Know, I think too, like we don't

1487
01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:01,600
necessarily have to know the
whole history, you know, like we

1488
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,320
don't necessarily know that
Psycho and cycle 4 is the

1489
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,000
complete history of like what's
going on.

1490
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,600
Like we're seeing part of it.
But I think it also there's like

1491
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:16,720
the notion that like Norman is
not the most reliable narrator

1492
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,600
as well.
So like how much of the story

1493
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,120
that we're getting?
Is.

1494
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,600
Actually factual and factual
based.

1495
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,320
I know that Garish talked about
like the lighting in particular,

1496
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,360
and I kind of want to talk about
because I think one thing I do

1497
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:36,880
like here is when you see the
flashbacks, just how garishly

1498
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,880
it's lit.
Like, it is like straight out of

1499
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,000
a Argento movie at times with
the really bright Reds and

1500
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,600
greens, similar to, you know, we
talked about 3:00 last week and

1501
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,920
how it it's even more over the
top.

1502
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,360
But he wanted to make that a
direct contrast to say, the real

1503
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:54,960
world.
Like when you look at the radio

1504
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,640
station, it's Blues and Grays
and it's a much more like somber

1505
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,520
neutral sort of lighting versus
like when you step into your

1506
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,560
memories.
So your memories are just your

1507
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,120
own perspective.
And like, let's face it, we all,

1508
01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:12,040
we're all the main characters in
our own story and we have a way

1509
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:16,240
of maybe misremembering certain
events in our life as well.

1510
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,480
And I think there's that
suggestion here as well.

1511
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:23,400
I think they've got a bit more
to sort of bring that out.

1512
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,800
And I'd have like, had a lot
more time for it if it was if,

1513
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,320
if they'd made a bit more about
Norman's memories being a bit

1514
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,280
unreliable.
Because like the, the like,

1515
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,200
there's a bit right at the start
where they've obviously just

1516
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,800
wrote in to explain something
that my mother died really,

1517
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,200
really young.
But I actually made that voice

1518
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,160
up in my head.
And the fact that he's

1519
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,080
explaining out loud, like, oh, I
made a separate voice for her is

1520
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,880
like when he's explaining things
out loud, that sounds like he

1521
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,040
knows what very much knows
what's real and what isn't.

1522
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,960
Yeah, exactly.
Like, like this is my first

1523
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:03,920
watch the series of what we call
it Psycho 4 since I've watched

1524
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,480
all the Bates Motel.
I love that series and I love

1525
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:11,720
Vera Formiga in general, but
like specifically like in that

1526
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,160
role, like because I think
because it is a series and you

1527
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:21,360
spend a lot more time with her
then like you get, you know, she

1528
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,000
becomes like more of a
well-rounded character.

1529
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:29,520
So that sort of hurt this coming
back to because like in in this

1530
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,440
every time she's on screen,
she's just shouting about

1531
01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:36,720
penises constantly.
There's like 1, there's like one

1532
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,640
shot with no lines in it where
she's being happy with him as a

1533
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,120
child early on.
And like, other than that, she's

1534
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,120
just screaming about penises.
As one does.

1535
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,560
Or we're in a whereas in that
series, you know, it showed like

1536
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,400
the most of the time she was
sound and like all this kind of

1537
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,440
thing.
And like, I think like that

1538
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,160
makes a big difference having
that kind of like round into the

1539
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,720
character.
And like, I think it would have

1540
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,920
been better if it was, you know,
a bit more clear that like that

1541
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,280
was like the normal we were
seeing in this film was just how

1542
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,440
Norman remembered her.
But they kind of like cancelled

1543
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,880
that out by already saying like,
oh, the voice in my head is

1544
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,400
actually different from how I
remember my mother.

1545
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,920
Sure, Fairpoint.
Yeah.

1546
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,080
And, you know, I think all of
this kind of comes around to,

1547
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,440
you know, this little chunk of
the conversation kind of takes

1548
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:34,560
us back to, you know, Chewy's
fourth point, which I think is,

1549
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,600
for me, the biggest sin of
prequels.

1550
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,320
Agree.
And that and that is there's no

1551
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,600
more mysteries.
Things previously left to the

1552
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,480
audience's imaginations are now
crystallized in amber.

1553
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,640
I think that's well said.
That's my biggest problem with

1554
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,880
most prequels.
You know, the same issue happens

1555
01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:00,360
in like, I guess Star Wars, the
prequels just wrench all kinds

1556
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,920
of things in that don't make any
sense if you give them more than

1557
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,480
a few minutes of thought, if you
take them in the context of the

1558
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,160
original films.
And so, and I think that there's

1559
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,000
certain there's a lot of that
happening here where it's just

1560
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,160
sort of wrenching these.
Oh, this would be interesting,

1561
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,480
right?
You know, in Joseph Stefano's

1562
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:24,560
mind and and it's just sort of
like it's it's too on the nose,

1563
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,560
I guess, so to speak.
It just kind of feels like this

1564
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,200
is the way it it was.
This is what got us here.

1565
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,800
And it's sort of like it's less
interesting to me.

1566
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:33,680
Yeah.
Exactly.

1567
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,440
Than leaving it open.
And then you have to go back and

1568
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:42,280
completely do something that is
still going to allow a series to

1569
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,480
continue because you're taking
away the mystery.

1570
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,560
You're taking away any like real
deep character exploration with

1571
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,640
the characters that we've been
following.

1572
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,360
So how do you leave that door
open?

1573
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:59,440
Well often times when you have
to go in and use some really ham

1574
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,040
gested red hunting.
Yeah, exactly.

1575
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:07,000
Exactly.
OK, now we're going to do X JK.

1576
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:11,280
It was all the imagination of a
child and everything is

1577
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,560
happening in the snow globe.
And so we I think that that's

1578
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:22,600
the terrible thing with prequels
and I and I love a good prequel,

1579
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:27,760
but I think a good prequel just
gives you like the lay of the

1580
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,040
land.
It doesn't give you, it's not

1581
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:36,320
like exploring your ancestry.
It's like OK.

1582
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,200
Here's.
Where things started.

1583
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:43,320
An example of a good prequel is
like, I think it's Orphan first

1584
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:47,840
kill, which tells another story
with Esther, but it's completely

1585
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:52,760
unrelated to the first story.
Like it right doesn't presuppose

1586
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,400
that like these characters only
existed within this very small

1587
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,840
box and all of their experiences
took place in the small box.

1588
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:05,040
Like, you know, there were there
had to be other outside forces

1589
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,840
that would have shaped like
Norman Bates and they would have

1590
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,560
like made him the person he is.
Like it's not all just his

1591
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:15,000
mother being this like
psychosexual beast that like

1592
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,920
warps him.
And I think that's one thing

1593
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,120
again, only seeing the first
season of the Bates Motel.

1594
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,880
I think that's one thing.
That's a real strength.

1595
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,480
Strength of the show is you see
him interacting with other

1596
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,400
peers, like you see other
friendships develop.

1597
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:32,440
You see how like one of his
teachers has an odd relationship

1598
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:36,040
with him as well, the way he
interacts with his brother.

1599
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:40,000
And I'm sure it expands even
further in the seasons that

1600
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,560
follow it as well.
So you get to see him

1601
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,960
interacting in ways that are
outside of like the very strict

1602
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,400
confines we know from just this
movie.

1603
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,480
And what something like Orphan
first kill does is it assumes

1604
01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:56,520
like Esther would have had other
families or other events.

1605
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,200
And you don't.
You can don't even have to watch

1606
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,080
the first movie.
And that to me is more

1607
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:05,040
interesting than here.
Like you said, Brian and Steven

1608
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,320
here are the things we learned
in Psycho.

1609
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,640
Let's just make them literal
here on screen.

1610
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,600
At this point, that's, that's
the, that's the big issue, I

1611
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,040
think more than anything.
I think as far as the script at

1612
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,720
least as concerned as that it's
so literal.

1613
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,520
That's the problem I think.
I just think a lot of that is

1614
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:28,040
like, Stefano is not necessarily
a great writer like I think he

1615
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,080
is.
If you hand him good enough

1616
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,800
material, he can make something
great with it.

1617
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,080
But coming up with this on his
own?

1618
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,360
Like, not so much.
I want to circle back to

1619
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,000
something you.
Oh, I'm sorry, Keno, go ahead.

1620
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,400
It's the first film where there
hasn't been any kind of like

1621
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:50,880
misdirect or reveal like which
is but it's so set up to do

1622
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,280
that, like, you know, flipping
and something that could there

1623
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,560
could have been a moment like
maybe like flipping like in the

1624
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,400
third act where it just switches
something up and reveals that

1625
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,520
something hasn't been as we've
been told there.

1626
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,960
And that's something that's like
almost become a big part of the

1627
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:12,920
Psycho films at this point.
Like, you know, some points

1628
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:17,400
they're doing like 5 of them
like, but this is just like very

1629
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,640
much like spelling things out.
Yeah.

1630
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:25,480
That said, given what they have
to work with here, I think that

1631
01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:29,480
Hussey and Thomas do pretty good
work with it.

1632
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:33,760
Like Livia Hussey in particular
as Norma is a lot of fun to

1633
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,880
watch.
And to your point, Nicole, you

1634
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:40,600
can see why they maybe pulled a
lot of cues from this sort of

1635
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:45,080
portrayal of her when they make
a prequel series 2 decades

1636
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,760
later, like, oh, like this is
what they're going to lean on.

1637
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,800
She's just a lot of fun to
watch.

1638
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:55,080
The camera loves her and she
just has that ability.

1639
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,960
And it's interesting that you
guys said like she was up for

1640
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,880
the role in Fatal Attraction to
go from like very alluring and

1641
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:07,720
captivating and sexy to like, I
need to get away from this

1642
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,040
person as fast as humanly
possible.

1643
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,800
Otherwise, like, my kidney will
be missing.

1644
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,280
I'll wake up with like organs
because like, she's that level

1645
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,960
of psychotic.
I really love that here.

1646
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,560
It worked for me.
Yeah.

1647
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,720
I want to circle, if I may
circle back to something you

1648
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,400
said we're talking about
earlier, Mike, with the Bates

1649
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,120
Motel.
I feel like this is the first

1650
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,960
movie in four so far that we
kind of start to tiptoe around

1651
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,440
the question of nature versus
nurture, which is, I feel like a

1652
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:38,520
little late.
And honestly, we're not really

1653
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,960
diving that deep into it.
Norman's like, oh, you know,

1654
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,320
this is genetic.
The doctor said it was genetic.

1655
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,400
But then we see all this stuff
about how he was raised.

1656
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,320
Like there's no deliberate
answer.

1657
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,680
Although given the choice he
makes at the end, I think he

1658
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,600
feels at least convinced one way
or the other.

1659
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,480
Like, is it too late at this
point to start diving into that

1660
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:58,080
with Norman?
Or is this the perfect time

1661
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,160
because we're finally trying to
figure out the why behind his

1662
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,800
psychosis?
Well, you would have figured

1663
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,680
like that would have been a part
of his treatment.

1664
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,600
All those years because he
spends like 20 years in the

1665
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,480
asylum and he's getting like
individual and group therapy,

1666
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,120
like on a daily basis you would
imagine.

1667
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:21,560
You think it's like Coyote?
Yeah, I will say that being a

1668
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,280
parent does things to you like
when you're or the the lead up

1669
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:29,200
to becoming a parent does things
to you like when you are it's

1670
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,480
it's just about to happen and
there's no stopping that train

1671
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:35,640
at this point.
Like you're you start to go back

1672
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:39,680
and question a lot of things
about yourself.

1673
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,200
A lot of the you start to
question a lot of the ways that

1674
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:46,240
you were raised and you wonder
like, you know, for the most

1675
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:47,920
part, I'll say like, I had a
really good dad.

1676
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,960
I had a good relationship with
him, but there was that 5% that

1677
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:55,080
was like not so good.
And I know for me and the lead

1678
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:59,320
up for being a dad, I'm like, I
want to do any, is that 5% ever

1679
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,840
going to come out?
How do I keep that at Bay?

1680
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:05,440
How do I do things differently?
So you can, I think what you see

1681
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:11,520
here is a guy who's on the edge
already and he's questioning

1682
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,960
everything.
And I think another part of of

1683
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,680
this movie is like he the
conversation between he and his

1684
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,960
wife.
He's like, look, we agreed early

1685
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,880
on, like no kids.
Like how did this happen?

1686
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:28,080
So even if like he didn't have
this background, if you don't

1687
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,520
want to have a child and your
wife comes home and says, like,

1688
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,800
we're having kids, you're going
to be on.

1689
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,280
I'm not saying that you're going
to lure her to your family home

1690
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,920
to murder her, but you're gonna
get upset about.

1691
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,240
Well, I might not, but.
Who might not Steven?

1692
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,120
Brian Might.
Well.

1693
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,600
Thanks.
Like how do I respond to that?

1694
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:50,920
I don't know.
Sorry to call.

1695
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,040
I.
Think that one of the

1696
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,480
interesting things though, as
we're talking about this idea of

1697
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:02,720
mental illness and you know,
basically, you know, we're we're

1698
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:07,880
tiptoeing ever so slightly into
discussions of eugenics, which

1699
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:13,320
is a if you have any kind of
health disorder, if you have any

1700
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:17,880
kind of physical disability, you
know, you don't want to bring a

1701
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:23,000
child into a world where they
may be impacted by that, even if

1702
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:28,120
there isn't like the hard and
fast data to support a that

1703
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:31,360
you're going to be able to pass
down any kind of genetic

1704
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,280
predisposition.
But then you know what that says

1705
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:39,000
in general.
And I always struggle with films

1706
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,880
that try to cloak some of these
discussions and kind of a

1707
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:49,240
pro-life realm because.
Which this film definitely does.

1708
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,440
Yeah, because it's difficult.
Like, you know, I've had people

1709
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:59,960
say, you know, aren't you lucky
that your mom had you when, you

1710
01:38:59,960 --> 01:39:03,080
know, she was told that you
would have a disability and the

1711
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,400
likelihood that you would be
born would be very slim?

1712
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,640
And I said, well, no, like I'm
happy I'm here.

1713
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,000
I guess it's cool.
I really wish like I was born in

1714
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,400
a different timeline right now
for real.

1715
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:20,680
But I'm like, it happened, like
I didn't have anything in it.

1716
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:27,400
I'm happy that my mom made the
decision knowing that she could

1717
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:31,400
support a child with that
disability.

1718
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,280
And that's never part of the
conversation.

1719
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,640
It's always let's force this and
come up with the solution later.

1720
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:42,240
And they say, oh, well then you
just want all individuals with

1721
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,640
disabilities to be terminated.
Absolutely not.

1722
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:51,040
I want parents to have support
to rear their child

1723
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,280
successfully.
And I think that that's

1724
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:57,800
something that I on one hand,
yeah, it is a conversation that

1725
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:01,000
you have with a partner.
You know, if you do have a

1726
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:06,000
condition that you are going to
pass down, hey, you know what,

1727
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:09,240
what are our thoughts on this
And and is there kind of a

1728
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:13,440
consensus that we want to make,
but especially as the male part

1729
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:17,000
of that equation, like you got
input.

1730
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,680
But you know, there's only so
much that you yourself can

1731
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,560
control in that scenario.
Well, Norman could have been

1732
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,040
snipped.
I mean, there are things he

1733
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:27,840
could have done like Norman, at
some point.

1734
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,880
I don't want to have kids.
Great, get snipped.

1735
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,640
Exactly, like take that power,
like that's your body, you have

1736
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:38,480
that choice to do that and then
it's not going to be an issue.

1737
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:43,160
But I don't know, I always just
feel really wonky when it into

1738
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,920
those discussions.
I always am a little bit

1739
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,640
hesitant to whenever there's
this discussion of like

1740
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:54,360
inherited mental illness, like
yes, persons that have anxiety,

1741
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,760
depression, other mental illness
conditions, like there is like a

1742
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:03,200
higher rate of their offspring
having that, but it's not like a

1743
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,080
1 to 1 and it's still at a
fairly low rate.

1744
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,480
Like there's not a guarantee
just because like you know, in

1745
01:41:09,480 --> 01:41:12,560
in Norman's case, like suffering
from most likely what we would

1746
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,280
call like dissociative identity
disorder and also like complex

1747
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,600
post traumatic stress disorder
as well from like everything

1748
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,640
he's witnessed.
Like, but that's not a guarantee

1749
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,800
that like he is going to quote
UN quote, pass down that those

1750
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,200
genes to his offspring.
I mean, this movie literally

1751
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:34,200
makes the would you go back in
time and kill baby Hitler

1752
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,080
questioned literal in this
movie.

1753
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:40,240
Like what is that on screen?
So it's it's that idea like if

1754
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,760
you could go back and really
what Norman wants to do.

1755
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:49,120
Is he what Norman can't do is go
back in time and end himself

1756
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:53,160
before he was born.
But what he can do is he can

1757
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,480
like not he can murder his
unborn child with a thought.

1758
01:41:57,480 --> 01:41:59,240
That's like, well, it will end
here.

1759
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,120
I don't know.
Look, to me, it's it's not a

1760
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:03,560
guarantee.
Like you're more.

1761
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:08,120
There's some genetics that show
like you can possibly inherit

1762
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,760
mental illness, but it's not one
to one.

1763
01:42:11,480 --> 01:42:14,040
And I mean, he seems fairly
convinced it's genetic.

1764
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,600
I mean, that's what he's
screaming at CCH Pounder later

1765
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,280
in the film.
Like it's genetic.

1766
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,760
The doctors tell me it's
genetic, but you know.

1767
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,120
But again, I don't know.
We're taking his word for that,

1768
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,680
too.
Stefano goes to great.

1769
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,600
Like, bear in mind, like
flipping, you know?

1770
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,920
He says the doctors told her
that his wife is the doctor.

1771
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:35,240
That's true.
That's.

1772
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,480
True, Stefano is just sort of
continuing something.

1773
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:45,400
I feel like like possibly should
have like been a lot clearer

1774
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:49,320
about that, like what we call it
an earlier stage and all like

1775
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,560
flipping like while we were
having these baby discussions

1776
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:56,120
that I feel like she could have
brought it up then rather than

1777
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,840
wait until she had a knife to
her neck.

1778
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,520
Yeah.
But that's something she should

1779
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:06,400
have brought up earlier.
Like, although one thing, it's

1780
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,280
like something that's happened.
There's, there's like it happens

1781
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,920
about three times in what you
recall, like this film.

1782
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:17,840
And in different points where a
character implies that I've been

1783
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,640
Norman might have a pretty
serious, something pretty

1784
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:25,320
serious going on in his
trousers, like flipping.

1785
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:26,880
Even the boyfriend brings it
off.

1786
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:29,360
Yeah, your mum says you've got a
big Dick.

1787
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:36,000
This brings us back to our Back
to the Future conversation about

1788
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,160
wanting to.
Stuff your own mother.

1789
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,000
Yeah, anyway, so this whole
thing does kind of come back to

1790
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,960
the first movie.
Stefano really kind of hits, I

1791
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,880
don't know, rings this bell or I
guess you could say where Norma

1792
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,680
is crazy.
So Norman is crazy thing because

1793
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:59,080
in the first movie there's the
whole conversation about can't

1794
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,000
you put her someplace?
And, you know, there's the

1795
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,520
implication in that movie that
Norman spent some time in an

1796
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:11,360
institution, things that are
never brought up here.

1797
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:15,800
Not even hinted at here.
Yeah, but then you have the part

1798
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,960
where Norman looks through the
hole in the wall and sees Norma,

1799
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:24,720
you know, ripping the room
apart, you know, so she was

1800
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:26,680
losing her mind.
I don't know.

1801
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:29,960
It just it feels wedged in
there, first of all.

1802
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:34,960
But I don't know that he he
really seems to be on board with

1803
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:42,120
the idea of inherited mental
illness and kind of an extreme

1804
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:45,440
form of it, like, you know, the
A1 to 1 version.

1805
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:50,760
Like, for example, when my kids
were diagnosed with autism, it

1806
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,680
was sort of like then I started
seeing certain things in myself.

1807
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,760
But it's not, it's a spectrum,
right?

1808
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:02,120
So it's not the same kinds of
exact one to one thing.

1809
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:07,680
You know, the way that I
experience neurodiversity is

1810
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:09,280
different than the way my son
does.

1811
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,600
Yeah.
And it's clear, you know, and my

1812
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,000
daughter experiences in a
completely different way too.

1813
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,440
So I mean, it's just the brain
is a mystery.

1814
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:20,120
And this movie tries to take
away all of the mystery and just

1815
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:24,880
say, hey, mom was crazy.
So Normans, crazy Normans.

1816
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:30,680
Like that's the case.
My kids gonna be right, gonna be

1817
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,400
mentally ill as well.
And I think that's where like

1818
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:38,320
having it solely set in the
hotel and the motel is sudden to

1819
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,680
the films detriment.
Like, you don't see Norman as a

1820
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,600
youth, like really interact with
anybody else except outside in

1821
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,040
inside of those confines and
like, you don't know anything

1822
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,120
else about him.
And I think that is like to the

1823
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,680
film's detriment is a prequel as
well.

1824
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:58,680
Yeah, I think probably a lot of
that is budgetary and time

1825
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,640
constraints.
There's only so much you really

1826
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:04,000
have to be able to fit into what
I don't know if this is less

1827
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:05,080
than two hour movie.
Yeah.

1828
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:09,280
I kind of want to say too like
this terms of Perkins.

1829
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:13,000
I know he's not given a lot to
do here like the first 3.

1830
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:16,000
Quarters.
Of the movie he's standing in a

1831
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:21,400
very beautiful upper middle
class kitchen and I got some

1832
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,240
nice design ideas and it's too
bad it was at night because

1833
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:28,360
there's a lot of God the natural
the way the natural light would

1834
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,480
have come through those windows
would have been beautiful yeah

1835
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:32,800
but it.
Looked more like a It looked

1836
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,800
more like a Fatal Attraction
kitchen than a Psycho kitchen,

1837
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:36,720
didn't it?
Yeah.

1838
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:42,040
Very much it was definitely like
what is like 111 income?

1839
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,720
I would imagine working like in
a long hours in a inpatient

1840
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,680
mental health setting.
Like man, you could really get a

1841
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,680
lot of house in the late 80s,
early 90s on one income, right?

1842
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,840
Maybe upset, but he doesn't have
a lot to do.

1843
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:59,720
And it felt like this maybe was
the first time, like Perkins was

1844
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:03,440
kind of phoning in, literally
and figuratively.

1845
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:08,160
The role of Ryan Norman where
the other two sequels, like

1846
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,800
there's a real energy like you
can sense he feels revitalized

1847
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,240
and here even maybe he feels
like there's just like not a lot

1848
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:17,960
of there there.
And then the last 20 minutes in

1849
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:21,360
the house is a bunch of
gobbledygook and it's like it's

1850
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,120
embarrassing how bad that last
20 minutes are.

1851
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,200
It's.
Feels so tacked on.

1852
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,880
Yeah.
And perfunctory to the whole

1853
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:30,360
thing.
Like it's just like, and then

1854
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,800
here's some stuff, you know,
because we got to go back there

1855
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,760
for the Psycho fan.
So don't you want to see Perkins

1856
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,320
back there again?
That that cheap fan service that

1857
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,680
I mentioned earlier that
prequels tend to do really well.

1858
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,800
And they get the happy ending
and the home is burned down,

1859
01:47:44,440 --> 01:47:45,720
right.
That was a matte paint.

1860
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,560
And we could see, like, you
could see the matte.

1861
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:48,600
It was just.
So.

1862
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,760
Yeah.
And again, I get part of that is

1863
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,920
like initially filmed for
television where people are

1864
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:58,080
going to watch it on maybe like
a big television was like 32

1865
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:01,600
inches back then, right?
Maybe a rear projection that was

1866
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,040
50.
But that would have been

1867
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:08,640
exceedingly rare and about VHS
quality in terms of like what

1868
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,960
you're going to see.
So it's not quite as important

1869
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,960
on the visuals.
Very standard.

1870
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:17,920
Part three had such an up until
the coda, a good ending for

1871
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,360
Norman.
That idea, like I'm free, I've

1872
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:23,040
made it.
I I'm I might be locked up, but

1873
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,440
I'm free.
And they kind of go for that

1874
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:28,600
here as well.
But it's just like such a bunch

1875
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:32,600
of hokum to get there that like,
you don't even care.

1876
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,080
What I saw the ending of this, I
was like, this kind of sounded

1877
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:39,800
like what you described the
third one as originally.

1878
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,520
Going for that, you know was
shot is exactly what the third

1879
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,560
film is going for.
Right, Yeah, the chair.

1880
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:52,200
Yeah, it's just kind of a it's a
meh of a movie.

1881
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:53,960
Yeah.
Pretty much.

1882
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:57,960
It's not a bad movie and there
are some like some touches

1883
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:02,080
Garrus does, like he took the
scene where Norman is like

1884
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,400
looking out the window at the
picnic, which I think is a

1885
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:08,360
really nice little scene.
They actually took the side wall

1886
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:11,720
from that set and moved it
outside in order to film that.

1887
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,480
A nice little touch.
I like the way they insert like

1888
01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:18,480
Norman into his memories.
I like the garish, garish

1889
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:22,680
lighting and a lot of this as
well and how over the I really

1890
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:27,000
do like Hussey's performance and
in particular because it is so

1891
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,360
over the top.
There is something so lurid

1892
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:34,280
about it and it it feels dirty.
I mean, there's just something

1893
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,840
about it that and there is
something to be said about like

1894
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:39,520
your showtimes of the world,
your Cinemax.

1895
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,520
Yes, it's not HBO.
It's Showtime and eight

1896
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,240
Showtime.
Like Cinemax had a late night

1897
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:49,600
programming where this would
have fit in some ways, like fit

1898
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,400
right, in terms of like talking
about giving a young kid a

1899
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:55,800
thrill.
Parents go to bed and you turn

1900
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,480
on Skinny Max at 1:00 AM and you
know you're going to take notes

1901
01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:02,880
and learn some things.
One of the things that going

1902
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,480
back to Anthony Perkins
performance it this on top of

1903
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,360
everything else that we already
mentioned that he was dealing

1904
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:13,280
with.
I think this is the one where I

1905
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,320
go.
He's just so over this role.

1906
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:19,240
He knows this is going to be the
thing he's remembered for.

1907
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:22,240
He's kind of that same year in
1990.

1908
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:24,160
There are like four other movies
he's in.

1909
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:27,480
He does one with Stuart Gordon,
he does one with Toby Hooper,

1910
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:32,040
both TV movies.
And it's just kind of like he's

1911
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:38,320
he's the horror legacy guy now
that that's sort of where he's

1912
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:39,560
at.
And, you know, they're small.

1913
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,440
Like I'm Dangerous Tonight is a
it's fine.

1914
01:50:42,440 --> 01:50:46,560
It's a it's again, it's he's
doesn't have a main role, but

1915
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:51,920
it's again, sort of he's put
into that those same kinds of

1916
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:56,880
psycho Babble roles, I guess is
what that, you know, sort of a

1917
01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,240
copy of a copy of a copy of a
copy of a copy of Norman Bates.

1918
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:07,000
Yeah, just not with any of the
kind of imagination and, you

1919
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:11,240
know, real genius behind the
original version of that.

1920
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:14,720
So yeah, I think he's just over
it, you know?

1921
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:18,640
Yeah, it's not.
The level of the level of how

1922
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:24,800
man Norman is in like that, that
final act like it kind of like

1923
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,280
because I mean, like we said,
like what if they'd have gone

1924
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,480
for that shot and the third one?
It would have been such a good

1925
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:34,760
coded to the whole thing, like,
like, this doesn't really feel

1926
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:41,520
like, what we call it like a
solid ending to me because at

1927
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:45,920
the end of the day, like
flipping after all that, like,

1928
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:51,520
he's still like, like his wife
still has to deal with.

1929
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:56,080
She's about to have a kid with
Norman Bates, who's held the

1930
01:51:56,080 --> 01:52:00,040
knife to her neck very recently.
And when he said, no, it's OK,

1931
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,360
I'm cool, he burned the house
down.

1932
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,600
Like these aren't good signs for
the future.

1933
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:09,720
Yeah, that's a great point.
Yeah, like, like, like flipping,

1934
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:13,720
like obviously like you said,
when people, you know, find out

1935
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,880
about like that, they're going
to be comparing people react in

1936
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,400
different ways.
But when you burn a house down

1937
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:25,520
just as part of the working
stuff through, that's an issue.

1938
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:29,320
Houses are expensive, might not
have been then they are now.

1939
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,080
Yeah, I think there's this
supposed to it.

1940
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,320
It's this idea that if you
symbolically burn down the past,

1941
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:41,640
it's never gonna affect you
again, you know?

1942
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,920
And it's just sort of like, OK,
it's a very movie kind of

1943
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,280
shorthand way of doing things,
but.

1944
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,520
Any final thoughts?
Anyone up for a Legacy sequel

1945
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,960
with Oz Perkins playing Norman
Son as a grown up?

1946
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,360
No, no one.
No, that's me.

1947
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:01,120
Sorry.
It keeps you old Perkins from

1948
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,000
directing.
I'm happy with it.

1949
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,920
When?
Yeah, you're not a transpired.

1950
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:08,120
Guy, Wow.
OK.

1951
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:10,640
Actually, actually, I was like
flipping.

1952
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,480
That's the astounding thing.
He went from having one of my

1953
01:53:13,480 --> 01:53:19,600
top five movies of two years ago
to two of my worst of my least

1954
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,280
favorite films from last year,
Keeper.

1955
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,480
I really like the monkey.
I haven't seen Keeper.

1956
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:27,960
The other one I haven't seen
Keeper.

1957
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:33,760
Yeah, I really like the monkey.
It was like a low key final

1958
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:37,280
destination.
The only thing that I would add

1959
01:53:37,480 --> 01:53:41,200
is, as we were talking about the
failings when it comes to

1960
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:50,320
people, I think that the setting
of the time was so clunky and it

1961
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,720
did not look.
It just felt very out of place.

1962
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:58,560
There was very little attention
paid to like the actual hair

1963
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:03,560
styling and fashion of the time.
And it was a little bit drawing

1964
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,800
because, like I said, I hadn't
watched it in a while.

1965
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:07,480
And I was watching it and I'm
like, wait a minute.

1966
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:13,040
That feels very much like an
early 90s, late 80s hairstyle

1967
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,680
here.
So what is it doing?

1968
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,680
In the 1950s.
Good point.

1969
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:21,640
There's a lot of that.
Like that's the thing because

1970
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:25,520
like Gareth was like talking
about like how he's like

1971
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:29,920
flipping, you know, like done
all these things to make like

1972
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:33,560
the areas in the memory set in
the 50s look a certain way.

1973
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,600
And I'm like, well, you made all
those Stephen King ones that all

1974
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,480
add 50 sections in and they all
looked exactly the same as that.

1975
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:44,880
So I just thought that's how you
make the 50s look when you make

1976
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:50,600
Gareth.
Maybe it's how he remembers

1977
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:51,360
them.
I was going.

1978
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,960
To say that may admit maybe more
have more to do with it, yeah.

1979
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,640
All right, well, I think we can
put this to bed.

1980
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:01,640
I to your question, Steven, if
they ever remade cycle again.

1981
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:05,880
I do have a particular casting
thought, but I'll save that for

1982
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:06,880
next week.
Like who?

1983
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,320
I would have played Government
Bates.

1984
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:12,560
I think, you know, going back to
the Bates Motel, I think Freddie

1985
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:16,360
Highmore is actually a really,
really good analog to Anthony

1986
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:18,360
Perkins.
I think he really pulls that

1987
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:21,200
off.
He has something weird with his

1988
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:23,960
mouth.
There's just something about

1989
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,880
like I can't like something
about the way I don't know.

1990
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,680
There's just something about
there always feels like he's got

1991
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:34,280
something trapped in his jowls
when he delivers lines that.

1992
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,600
I feel that way about Leonardo
DiCaprio.

1993
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:41,000
OK.
Yeah, I know exactly the kind of

1994
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,360
thing you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah.

1995
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:46,240
Where it's something is weird
about things.

1996
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:51,040
Yeah, I get that.
Well, Canal, what is going on in

1997
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,960
your world, What are you working
on and where can folks find you?

1998
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:59,160
So pen just check me out on
Instagram on blue sky on since

1999
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:04,840
the cinema studios dot on blue
sky, which is also where you can

2000
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:07,120
find my website.
It's a link tree.

2001
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:10,840
Check me out on YouTube since
the cinema where I post all my

2002
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:16,040
visual nonsense, what we call it
on my Instagram kennel dot LA.

2003
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:20,680
We're flipping this week.
I've been mucking around in

2004
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:23,120
After Effects.
I kind of like lost it a bit

2005
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:26,160
like I think the last thing I
did was what we call it.

2006
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:30,560
I did a re edit of the Gentleman
episode of Buffy and what we

2007
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:34,800
call it stuck drum and bass over
it like flipping like half 11

2008
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,720
last night or something.
I've just been making very

2009
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:39,960
stupid videos this week for some
reason.

2010
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:44,800
Oh yeah, and I was also also
played Peter Sarah, a fit of it,

2011
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:49,560
says henchman in a thing called
Bando that's having a big

2012
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:53,400
premiere in Liverpool like in a
couple of weeks of when this

2013
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:57,000
drops and who knows what will
happen with that.

2014
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:01,000
He was in Star Wars sequel and
he prequel and he regrets it and

2015
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,280
all.
Nicole, how about yourself?

2016
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:10,200
Yeah, so you can find me over at
the Anatomy of a Scream channel

2017
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:14,040
with Bodies of Four, which has,
I always like to make sure to

2018
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:19,360
remind folks it is a podcast
that focuses on horror films

2019
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:23,880
through the lens of disability.
So talking about still the

2020
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:29,080
themes, tropes, characters, the
whole gamut, sometimes really

2021
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,240
doing a hardcore stretch to make
some of that fit.

2022
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:34,920
But those are my favorite
episodes.

2023
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:39,320
I can't.
I can talk myself around

2024
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,920
anything.
So yeah, you can find me over

2025
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:47,080
there.
And I just released a episode on

2026
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,720
my favorite films from last
year.

2027
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:51,960
A lot of them had to do with
disability.

2028
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:56,960
And so yeah, really excited to
continue over there.

2029
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:03,480
You can also find me on the Blue
Sky at Bodies of Four.

2030
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:09,720
Excellent, Brian yourself.
OK, so Holy Terrors podcast, we

2031
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:13,680
have just released our second
episode on the prophecy from

2032
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:17,440
1995, one starring Christopher
Walken, not the one with the

2033
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:21,720
mutant bear, but so that was a
lot of fun there Will actually I

2034
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,160
listened back to that episode.
It's like, man, we recorded this

2035
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:29,000
a long time ago because there
have been like, you know, 4K

2036
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:34,600
releases of that and the 1st 2
sequels and so all, all kinds of

2037
01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:36,960
things that are already out of
date about that episode.

2038
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:39,720
But we still had a lot of fun
and it's a good episode.

2039
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,960
I hope you listen to it.
You can find us on anywhere you

2040
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:48,560
get your podcasts and we're on
Instagram and threads at Holy

2041
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,000
Terrors podcast.
And then we're on Blue sky at

2042
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:55,360
Holy Terrors and you can find me
at Brian Waves 42 currently just

2043
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:58,640
kind of chill in my podcast,
trying to build an audience

2044
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,840
there as best we can.
It'll probably take a while, but

2045
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:06,080
hey, we're looking at and the
show is about looking at horror.

2046
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:09,480
I I don't say it's about
religious horror because it's

2047
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:13,600
not just about religious horror.
We're also covering things that

2048
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:18,520
have themes like and subtext.
We actually are going to be

2049
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:22,480
covering Bride of Frankenstein
and Friday the 13th Part 6.

2050
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:25,360
Jason lives before too long on
the show.

2051
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:29,200
Just like Nicole said, sometimes
we're going to be stretching a

2052
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,920
little bit, but we will.
Actually, Bride of Frankenstein

2053
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:33,800
is surprisingly not that much of
A stretch.

2054
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:36,560
There's a lot.
There's there's enough to sneak

2055
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:40,000
the teeth into there.
Yeah, so we're probably going to

2056
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:43,920
take kind of a Lazarus angle
when it comes to Jason Lives.

2057
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,440
I was.
Wondering if you were I would, I

2058
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:48,440
mean, obviously resurrection.
It was my immediate thought, but

2059
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:50,520
I was just like, I, I just want
to hear that conversation

2060
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:51,960
because that sounds really.
Fascinating.

2061
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:54,280
Yeah.
So we're having a good time and

2062
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:56,760
and we're we release every other
week on that.

2063
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:00,600
Yep, Brian, Steven, how about
yourself?

2064
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,360
This is pretty much the bulk of
what I have going on right now.

2065
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:08,600
Both of my other podcasts are
currently on hiatus, so I am.

2066
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:12,240
I'm just, I'm just hanging out
with my horror buds of these

2067
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:13,960
days.
And we're happy to have you.

2068
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:18,120
I'm enjoying it and I'm gearing
up for for the next franchise.

2069
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:22,760
I got my my beautiful screen
factory Blu-ray box set of the

2070
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:25,680
Omen franchise.
Looking forward to digging into

2071
02:00:25,680 --> 02:00:28,080
that in the coming weeks.
But yeah, you can find me on

2072
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:31,920
Blue Sky and Letterboxed at
Chewy Walrus and I don't know,

2073
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:35,640
go back and listen to the back
catalog of Disenfranchised and

2074
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:37,720
Wells University if you haven't
done so already.

2075
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:41,040
Excellent.
And folks, you can find us at

2076
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:44,360
Pod and the pendulum.com.
Please, wherever you're hearing

2077
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:47,840
this podcast, leave us.
A five star rating in a review

2078
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:51,040
goes a long way to new listeners
finding us, and it takes like a

2079
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,240
minute to do.
On Apple, you can write a

2080
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:55,520
review.
On Spotify you can comment on

2081
02:00:55,520 --> 02:01:00,520
individual episodes and if you
really enjoy our shows and look,

2082
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,280
why wouldn't you?
If you're 2 hours deep on Psycho

2083
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:07,480
4, you might have a problem or
you really like what we're doing

2084
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,640
and.
I did not expect two hours on

2085
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,000
this.
I thought we'd be.

2086
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:14,200
Out This is longer than we went
last week on Psycho 3.

2087
02:01:14,240 --> 02:01:16,360
Well, to be fair, there's five
of us.

2088
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:20,920
That's true.
We didn't take too many tangents

2089
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:24,320
compared to some other episodes.
I think we're just a little like

2090
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:27,280
we're also, I think all speaking
a little slower today.

2091
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:29,440
There's a little bit of more of
a low key 5.

2092
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:35,080
So maybe you play this episode
in like 1.1 or 1.2, although at

2093
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,560
this point like there's two
minutes left so who gives a shit

2094
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:41,560
but.
At the beginning.

2095
02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:45,880
Become a patriot by going to
patreon.com/pod of the Pendulum.

2096
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:48,800
Where are we?
Have a ton of stuff on there.

2097
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:51,400
Like over 100 hours of like
one-on-one movies.

2098
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:54,400
We've covered the Back to the
Future franchise or Funsies.

2099
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,840
We've covered the I Spit on Your
Grave franchise.

2100
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,080
We've covered all the Nosferatu
films.

2101
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:04,800
Tons of one off episodes, a
bunch of stuff coming up like we

2102
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:08,280
talked about we're going to do
over the top as a watch along

2103
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:11,440
with Brian and Steven and it's
going to be their first time I.

2104
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:14,920
Keep blocking that out of my
mind that we're doing that.

2105
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:17,440
Every time.
Every time you bring it up,

2106
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:20,280
Brian immediately.
Forgets, yeah.

2107
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,680
Brian, I'm going to go so as far
to say that you'll be covering

2108
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:27,680
over the Top and holy terror
because once you see this, once

2109
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:30,600
you see this movie, you will
find Jesus like you will have

2110
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:35,560
seen the eyes of God and he is.
Sylvester Stallone for your

2111
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,000
sins, Brian.
Well, I mean, we're probably,

2112
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:41,200
we're thinking about covering
Cobra so well here you get some

2113
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:43,200
alone on there somewhere for
sure.

2114
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:45,720
But Sam Raimi has, oh, we're
going to do Bates.

2115
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:50,280
Bates Motel just got thrown on
the podcast The Patron Pie.

2116
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:52,800
The 87 TV pilot No.
No.

2117
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:55,200
We're doing that for the show.
We're doing that for the show.

2118
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:57,560
Show No.
For the patron, Yeah, yeah.

2119
02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:02,240
We're talking about Bates Motel,
the series, and Sam Raimi is a

2120
02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:05,240
new survival horror movie.
I can't imagine that none of us

2121
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:07,600
are going to want to not talk
about that for like an hour.

2122
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:09,360
You'll be seeing that next
weekend.

2123
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:12,280
So yeah, absolutely.
Heading beat in theaters by Iron

2124
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:14,840
Lung, that YouTuber horror
movie.

2125
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:15,920
Interesting.
It's.

2126
02:03:16,040 --> 02:03:19,680
Not that's tomorrow.
A bit frightening for me, so

2127
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:24,200
okay, but I don't know, I think
I'm gonna see Iron Long next

2128
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:26,680
weekend for sure.
Like it looks intrigued, to be

2129
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:28,440
fair, so.
Yeah, I'm gonna try and catch

2130
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,960
them both, but I have to go see
The Godfather Part 2 today, so

2131
02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:33,120
I'm not gonna be able to make
it.

2132
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:35,480
Poor you.
Darn.

2133
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaking of prequel sequels,
yeah.

2134
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:40,440
Right.
So is it future or is it past?

2135
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:45,200
Patreon.com/pot of the pendulum.
Give us a couple bucks and

2136
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:48,560
that's it.
We're back next week which God

2137
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:52,240
it's just going to be Brian for
two hours like screaming into

2138
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:56,800
the void about pretty much Gus
Van Sant's Psycho remake.

2139
02:03:56,920 --> 02:04:02,600
So and remember if you pre join
our upcoming $8 orgy tier, we

2140
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:08,080
will send you a copy of the
Psycho remake on Blu-ray so.

2141
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:10,360
And it's going to pay.
I mean, that'll it'll, here's

2142
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,440
the thing.
Sign up for the orgy tier.

2143
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:14,400
It'll it'll pay for itself
basically.

2144
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:19,320
So nice at any price.
So that's it listeners have a

2145
02:04:19,320 --> 02:04:22,920
great, great week.
The slack is very non committal

2146
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:25,920
about the $8 or GTR.
I'll say that not.

2147
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:28,760
A lot of.
Not a lot of response so far

2148
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:32,320
from the other team members,
but, you know, we'll work that

2149
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,000
magic.
All right, everybody, take care.

2150
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:37,440
Stop recording.
There we go.

2151
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:37,880
OK.